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Posted By: Seven_Heaven Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
My best buddy is a Chocolate Lab who will be 12 years old next month.

He has developed a breathing issue called Laryngeal Paralysis which the vet says is common to Labs. The abductor muscles of the larynx do not work properly and the fix for it is surgery called Laryngeal Tieback. This will allow better breathing, but they can no longer swim because they could easily drown and they can choke to death on their food.

It can be controlled somewhat by limiting his exercise and using sedatives I'm told.

Poor guy also has arthritis pretty bad.


My request for help questions are; Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what do you recommend?

Also,
what is the average life expectancy of Labrador Retrievers?
Posted By: Mike70560 Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
No experience with laryngeal tieback.

Plenty of experience with older labs. Twelve to thirteen years old is what I would call an average age for labs. I lost my chocolate a couple of months ago to cancer, he was not quite 12. He had arthritis, not terrible but bad enough. He had a tumor removed six months before and the likelihood of a good outcome the second time was remote. He had been far too good of a dog to put him through that with little chance of recovery.

I lost his Mom about a year and half before. She was over fourteen and just basically died of old age.

Miss them both.
Posted By: slumlord Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
My chocolate lived 15 years. 100% outside dog, never any visits to the vet. Not routine vax
Cheap ass dog food and greasy table scraps.
Posted By: 45_100 Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
You are going to have to make a very difficult decision in the near future. One of the most emotional and difficult decisions you will ever make. The reason I no longer have dogs. My wife has some cats. I don’t get attached to cats. Best of luck dealing with what’s ahead.
Posted By: Valsdad Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
Your dog is getting older. 12 would probably the low end of "average" lifespan for Lab types in my experience. Take care of him the best you can. If he can no longer go swimming, so be it.

Not sure about that condition, but our older whippet has something going on with his throat and the wife got him a stand for his food bowl. Also wets his kibble for a half hour before feeding him. Seems to have helped.

Interesting thing, he's getting this stuff for his arthritis, along with Dasuquin and Ester-C and his swallowing has gotten better. Can even eat a whole Milk Bone without choking some like he used to.

https://www.adequancanine.com/
Posted By: tophorsecop Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
What Mike said, I've had labs my whole life with a shorthair or 2 and a couple of wirehairs(65+ lbs size)...I always felt that 10-11 years was what I was hoping for going in...usually got to 12 or 13...but "quality of life" issues and my respect for the relationship I had with each of my canine partners, usually pushed me to putting them down... when the ignobilty of epilepsy, loss of vision, or bowel or bladder incontinence, had so eroded the simple joys of a walk on the ranch, a swim in the tank, or even a game of fetch...always put down by my loving hand, and sent on to hunt with the family members that have also passed. The price of owning a good dog, is a broken heart in the end!
Posted By: steve4102 Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
12 is up there, it’s up to you if you want to prolong his limited life activities for just a few more years.

A lab that can’t swim, with arthritis and pain isn’t a happy lab.
Posted By: earlybrd Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
Sorry to hear
Posted By: toltecgriz Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
There is no good answer. It will always be painful to nearly unbearable. Been through it too many times. What's right for me might not be right for everyone. Sometimes your canine pal will let you know. I'm told that Heaven is getting all your dogs back. I hope that is true and that some horses are included as well.

My deepest sympathy.
Posted By: slumlord Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
Oh Lort, I hope my horses aren’t in Heaven.

Uhhhh, Jesus, hand me a .45
Posted By: Seafire Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
Sad to hear of this.. guess I agree with Mark Lee ( 45_100 ). I have avoided having a dog ( Lab or Golden Retriever ) because I can't handle when their life span is over . Gotta admit to having more use for a lab or Golden Retriever, than I do most people ya run into in today's world.

Best of luck as you move forward. Instead of sadness, thank God for the Goodness you've enjoyed with your lab over its life span. Corny, but yeah... ALL Dog go to heaven.
Posted By: Seven_Heaven Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
Thanks for the caring replys guys!

I've had to make this type of decisions before, but it doesn't get any easier.
Posted By: SCgman1 Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
Had to put a male english chocolate down at 13 yrs 3 mos a few years ago.......he couldnt stand and stopped eating......his kid sister just turned 10 and slowing down considerably.....i limit her excercise.

Not looking forward at all to what is coming.......
Posted By: JeffP Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
My lab Teddy made it to 12 years 10 months 15 days.
The last couple months were for me not him. I’ll never do that again.!
Posted By: las Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
Sig line! Been there too many times over the last 60 years. On our last two dogs now.

Your dog, your call, as always.

My last lab at 12 1/2 came down sick- 36 hours later he died from ruptured lesions on his liver. That was the kindest for both of us over all my dogs.

Our 4 year old Dachshund hurt his back. Ain't no one's business what that cost to maybe get another 10-12 years out of him (or maybe not) and he will never be 100% again.
Posted By: Poconojack Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
Take it day by day
We lost Sarge the German Shepherd last month. Had him 8 plus years, no idea of how old he really was as he was an adult when he was adopted.
Zofia the Beagle was 13 on March 16th, she’s in really good shape and still enjoying life.
Loretta the Mountain Cur is 3 1/2 years old.
Posted By: StoneCutter Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
I just went through it. I had to put my yellow lab down on the 16th. He was 13 years 6 months. He had too many problems to go on.

He was a jumper and runner. By the time he was 8, he had torn both Achilles tendons, so his back legs were screwed up to begin with. Then he got arthritis in his front legs.

He's been getting slower through the years and last Fall he got "Old Dog Syndrome" or vestibular disease where they get like vertigo. That passed as time went on, but he showed dizziness at times. His legs didn't work as it was, now this.

This past Winter he began the coughing and hacking from Laryngeal Paralysis. We were told that it is related to neurological issues. It got worse over the past 4 months. He was too weak and frail to do any kind of surgery on him, so that was out. The biggest problem is that they can aspirate their food and water which will cause a pneumonia. They x-rayed to look at the throat and lungs and he was put on a couple of antibiotics.

When they x-rayed him, they noticed a couple of small rocks in his stomach that weren't there two weeks earlier. As if he didn't have enough problems as it was. What the hell is he eating rocks for? They were only about 1/4" or 3/8" and they induced vomit and he got rid of one of them with a bunch of blood. He was hardly eating.

While all of that is going on, last Winter he developed a tumor on his side. Biopsy showed cancer. After the X-rays, we took him back for an ultra sound to look at the throat, lungs, and the cancer. He was full of cancer.

Our vet referred us to a group that does home euthanization. On 4/16/24 it was a beautiful day, about 80*, and a nice day to lay in the grass and take a nap.

My general attitude when it comes to this is that if he can't walk or won't eat, or both, that it's time. It's a tough decision that only you can make. We were contemplating this day for over a year. When it's time, hopefully you'll know it and not wait too long. I waited too long on my last dog, but we almost went too long on this one as well. It's one of the hardest things you'll have to go through. I wish you well, good luck.
Posted By: ribka Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
Originally Posted by Seven_Heaven
My best buddy is a Chocolate Lab who will be 12 years old next month.

He has developed a breathing issue called Laryngeal Paralysis which the vet says is common to Labs. The abductor muscles of the larynx do not work properly and the fix for it is surgery called Laryngeal Tieback. This will allow better breathing, but they can no longer swim because they could easily drown and they can choke to death on their food.

It can be controlled somewhat by limiting his exercise and using sedatives I'm told.

Poor guy also has arthritis pretty bad.


My request for help questions are; Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what do you recommend?

Also,
what is the average life expectancy of Labrador Retrievers?


Quality of life at that age. Plus getting cut at that age is no guarantee and a tough recovery

Let him enjoy life with you
Posted By: Triggernosis Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/26/24
For a 12 yr old Lab, no, I wouldn't do any kind of surgery that requires him to be sedated. There's a good chance he won't come out of it and even if he does he probably won't ever be his normal self again. Much like an 85 yr old human that undergoes serious surgery.
For a Lab, every day past 12 is a gift anyway.
Posted By: Seven_Heaven Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Blessings to all of you.

You all have helped more than you will ever know!

Thank you.
Posted By: SCgman1 Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
I wish i could give away unconditional love like my dogs do.........it's downright biblical........
Posted By: Kodiakisland Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
12-15 is what ours have lived. Some went peacefully in their sleep. Some had to be put down. Our vet comes to the house and does it on our kitchen floor. Might sound odd, but they've all gone in my lap as I cry like a baby. My current lab is 6. When she is gone I'll probably have one more.
Posted By: Otter Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Never had a lab . . . I have had a couple of Chesapeake Bay Retrievers. One made it to 12 years and the other only made it to 9. Both were big dogs at 100# +/-.

Hoping for the best for you and your buddy.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
9mm
Posted By: BMT Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
It seems like I just went through this with the last dog (female lab).

Mine have passed at 13 plus.

Just realized the “new dog” is 11 now.

It hurts when they go.

But I don’t want to live without a lab around.

Great dogs.

Praying for you and your family
Posted By: 1minute Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Twelve is a good run with a Lab. Might be time for the hard decision.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Originally Posted by Kodiakisland
12-15 is what ours have lived. Some went peacefully in their sleep. Some had to be put down. Our vet comes to the house and does it on our kitchen floor. Might sound odd, but they've all gone in my lap as I cry like a baby. My current lab is 6. When she is gone I'll probably have one more.

Thats how to do it if you have time.
Posted By: PaulBarnard Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Looking down at my 10 year old lab as I type. 12 is a pretty good run for a lab. About average I'd say. I hate it for you. Dogs are better than most people, and the bond we form with them is unlike anything else in this world.
Posted By: alpinecrick Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
I feel for the decision you will be making.
Had to put my Aussies down at 13 years 10 months and 14 years 5 months. They were littermates.

They are buried up at our high country place and I visit their grave every time I’m up there. I still miss them terribly.
Posted By: Fenton Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
I’ve taken dogs and cats to a vet to be put down when it was their time. It’s always hard on me, but I think it’s the right way to handle it because it’s always been a peaceful exit for the animal. Vet gives them the shot and moments later they close their eyes like they’ve fallen to sleep. I’ve always been there petting them in position for them to see me so I can comfort them to their end.
I learned many pets ago that this hard time at the end of their life is absolutely worth all the years of smiles, laughs, friendship, companionship and love they offered me for their whole life.
The hardest one on me was my favorite. “Camas”, my female yellow lab was a joy to live with. A real “easy keeper”. Never did anything wrong her whole life. I said many times I should have named her “Happy”, because she always was. Best years of my life were the ones I spent with her.
OP, you and your lab are in my prayers today.
Posted By: Greyghost Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
The Chocolate Labrador has a shorter lifespan than the Black or Yellow Labs by about 1-1/2 to 3 years. The average lifespan for the Chocolates is about 10 to 13 years. But remember that that is an average, and some live much longer. The dog will let you know if he is ready to be put down. Most times it depends on how much effort you are willing to devote to him to keep him alive and safe. Too many people want to put an animal down simply because they don't have the will power or time needed to take care of the elderly animal.

Phil
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Originally Posted by Greyghost
The Chocolate Labrador has a shorter lifespan than the Black or Yellow Labs by about 1-1/2 to 3 years. The average lifespan for the Chocolates is about 10 to 13 years. But remember that that is an average, and some live much longer. The dog will let you know if he is ready to be put down. Most times it depends on how much effort you are willing to devote to him to keep him alive and safe. Too many people want to put an animal down simply because they don't have the will power or time needed to take care of the elderly animal.

Phil

Like kicking disabled veterans to the curb?

Piece of shìt.
Posted By: ironbender Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
We had a yellow with the laryngeal condition. It doesn’t get better on its own.

Couple that with age and painful arthritis, it’s time.

It’s never easy.
Posted By: Greyghost Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Coward, you wouldn't know anything about the military, would you! Your nothing but a little pissant.

Phil
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Coward, you wouldn't know anything about the military, would you! Your nothing but a little pissant.

Phil

I know enough about it that I wouldn't suck Bidens balls and support kicking out veterans down on their luck.

Like you do and did.

Now you want to tell us about dogs?


Fùck off Phillis.
Posted By: Ward Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Seven Heaven has some hard days ahead. It is never easy to lose a dog and it just plain hurts. A new puppy brings enough good times in life to more than balance the pain of losing the last dog. I'm probably old enough to only have one more lab and when that one's gone I won't be far behind.
Posted By: MadMooner Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
I waited to long on my first dog. Well, the first dog I had as an adult. I was too attached and didn’t want to let her go.

Afterwards it was easy to recognize I had let her hang on and to some extent suffer. In the moment, not so much.

Good luck with yer buddy.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Funny little boy, careful now, your mommy is going to wash your foul mouth out with soap again.

Phil

You apparently were in the military and still didn't learn duty or honor or not to leave a man behind.


Probably a good thing you got out so quickly.
Posted By: Greyghost Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Funny little boy, careful now, your mommy is going to wash your foul mouth out with soap again.

Phil
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Originally Posted by MadMooner
I waited to long on my first dog. Well, the first dog I had as an adult. I was too attached and didn’t want to let her go.

Afterwards it was easy to recognize I had let her hang on and to some extent suffer. In the moment, not so much.

Good luck with yer buddy.

What's wrong with some "suffering"?


Within reason of course.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Funny little boy, careful now, your mommy is going to wash your foul mouth out with soap again.

Phil

Geeze...good one Phillis.


Why don't you go admire your Jane Fonda shrine and fùck off.
Posted By: Greyghost Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Prick, go back outside and ride that little plywood horse of yours for awhile.

Phil
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/27/24
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Prick, go back outside and ride that little plywood horse of yours for awhile.

Phil

You commie little troll!

You planning on spitting on some homeless vets later?
Posted By: Mohall57 Re: Help with my Labrador - 04/28/24
Well what started out as really nice heart heart felt post about our best friends rapidly degenerated to childish insults.
Regarding labs though, we are with our 3rd, a red pointing lab, now 10 years old . She is a wonderful hunter, the most quiet and laid back lab that ever owned us. Was even pretty calm as puppy.
At 85 and 82 years we both hope she will outlive us. Hardest part of having a dog is their leaving us. Been my experience though we tend to hold on to long. It’s a really tough decision , best of luck and like others have expressed we will see them on the other side.
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