Just wondering.

Nope!

I saw a flatfoot once. He was eating a doughnut.

Yes and no - I can't say I know for sure, not arrogant enough to say "no" for sure (ain't calling someone out - just that I look at everything else that "just ain't supposed to exist" and realize - I can't say a Bigfoot can't exist)

I think H.G. might be a yeti,.......

masked up, and doing an intel op. on normal 2 leggeds.

GTC

Bigfoot was in Star Wars. He was just pretending to be a guy in a costume

I dated a Sasquatch in high school!!!

WHAT? What does that mean????? What is "yeti"???

gots some strong language

The Abominable Snowman

yeti = abominal snowman himalayian bigfoot

Somebody by now would have posted TSX expansion pictures by now.

I thought it was part of the news article telling of the lady that got shot "and the bullet is in her yet." Don't know what part that is or if they ever got it out.

But now I see "yeti."

Ned just explained it for me<grin>...and I get it now. Sorry I am so slow on certain stuff....lol<hangs Yeti Head in shame>....lol.

Some of them have mighty big feet. Might qualify.

Chupacabra told me bigfoot doesnt exist.

That's what mine (chupacabras) said, too,......

they lie worse than sheep, those freaks.

Wow,....funny how PISSED H.G. was there for a bit.

Yeti,.......

wow.

GTC

I can't tell you,...........

















Yeti,

BWAA-----HAAA

GTC

Bwahahahahha...OKAY, I needed a good giggle, my man<grin>!!!

A Yeti isn't such a booger to be, I thinks....surely, warm in the winter...smelly in the summer!

Yeti Hugs<you still breathing?????>

Hey, there's an OLD R.Crumb comic feature ,......

"Whiteman meets Yeti"

funny stuff, I'm going to look for it,.....pronto.

GTC

BWA_HAWwwww

Link: http://deniskitchen.com/Merchant2/m...oduct_Code=CB_RC.HGF8&Category_Code=

This was Kitchen Sink Press' best-selling underground comic book of all time, with sales of over 160,000 copies. The reason for its popularity was simple. Other than a secondary 3-page lead story featuring Mr. Snoid and Angelfood McSpade, the book consists almost entirely of the legendary "Whiteman Meets Bigfoot" story. Whiteman, an everyman caucasian, is initially kidnapped by the dark, large and furry Yeti, but he eventually falls in love with her and has no desire to return to civilization. Its length and upbeat message is not typical of the often-cyncial Robert Crumb. .

OKay....gonna watch a doc. on Crumb.

Ned tells me this isn't run of the mill type folk.

I am excited...in a Yeti way, intel op sorta dance<grin>....

Half way through...as I scribble, no surprise, this guy make all the sense in the world...to ME.

Looking forward to the second half of the dance.

Yeti.

Okay.....getting through it. Something disturbing about the whole of the sexual booogy.

I'll stick with it. I like his truth...but it's brutal.

BBL.

Weird dude.....but I can't say he is nothing short of queer, but I enjoyed the boooger., as I looooooooooove a set of honesty.

Yeti<grin>....

Whaaaack, I am going to have to think about that vid. That is one disturbed family. Surely not black and white.

We get two or three sightings reported a year up here...No pics or taxidermy yet though...

i don't see a reason why it shouldn't exist.

bigfoot seems to be NA phenomenon so i haven't seen it, but i do belive in the Norwegian mythical creatures such as huldra, n�kken, draugen etc

If most folks believe in some old dude that lives in the clouds and knows everything they do, then bigfoot sure shouldn't be a stretch.

The only bigfoot I ever saw was my Step mom. you would get the chills when you saw he. But she did like to drink Beer for breakfast.her only good point was always had a case or two of cold beer in the tall glass bottles my favorite way to drink beer. yum yum.

also was one of the best cooks ever.

The thing that puzzles me is that with all the sightings, tracks, sign etc etc over all these years evidently none of them has ever died, or taken a dump where anybody could find it. No actual physical evidence from the beast at all.

BCR

I seen Bigfoot when I was in the mountains visiting Elvis & Bruce Lee last year {yes they are alive.

During my visit, Bigfoot was chasing there pet unicorn around the yard.

Funny what some people believe in, and what they ridicule in others.

Bigfoot? Yeti? Sasquatch?

I think that MAYBE, possibly they might exist...perhaps.

(How's that for a truly DIRECT, very "definite" answer?) Hahahahahaha...

I don't doubt that such a thing could exist, though I'm slightly skeptical. I hate the shows that lead on like something shocking is going to be discovered, only to have some camoed up bubba stomping through the woods saying deer beds and bear sign are bigfoot.

FWIW:

The Bigfoot-Giganto Theory

http://www.bfro.net/ref/theories/mjm/whatrtha.asp

Background

"Bigfoot research" is a term loosely used to describe any efforts to probe or explain the reports and physical evidence associated with bigfoots. Over the years several different theories have been offered. Some of the more common theories are: 1) fear manifestations, 2) misidentifications of bears, 3) paranormal / UFO-related, 4) the Collective-Memory hypothesis, 5) the Bigfoot-Giganto hypothesis.

Bigfoot advocates as well as informed skeptics generally do not believe a hoax is responsible for this phenomenon, primarily because the observations extend so far back in time.

The patterns among eyewitnesses are not demographic, they are geographic -- they are not reported by certain types of people, rather by people who venture into certain areas. This simple pattern suggests an external cause.

No matter what that cause is, it is important to understand, and not just because of the potential behind the most likely explanation.

Bigfoot researchers generally lean toward one explanation: The Bigfoot-Giganto Theory (hypothesis). The subject of Gigantopithecus has attracted an increasing amount of interest anthropologists and primatologitsts over the past few decades. The Bigfoot-Giganto hypothesis suggests that bigfoots are surving relatives of the genus Gigantopithecus. Gigantopithecus (the Latin word for "Giant Ape") was a giant cousin of the orangutan. It was presumed to be extinct.

Click on the figure to the upper right to see a chart showing the place of Gigantos in primate evolution.

Bigfoot-Giganto theorists deal with a few issues that affect the potential linkage of modern bigfoot reports to ancient Gigantos. Probably the most crucial question concerns whether Gigantos walked upright. There is more than one school of thought among anthrolopogists regarding this issue. Some physical anthropologists interpret the scant fossilized remains to indicate an upright walking ape, measuring an impressive nine feet tall, and weighing more than 1000 pounds -- the general description of bigfoot type creatures reported for centuries in North America and Asia. Even if Giganto posture is uncertain, no one can reasonably dispute the conclusion that Gigantos were the largest primates that ever walked the earth.

Bigfoot-Giganto theorists believe that Gigantos' large brain size (perhaps the largest in the terrestrial animal kingdom) and upright-walking posture facilitated their dispersion across Asia and North America. Thousands of years of adaptation to temperate and mountainous climates, it is believed, would have given these large upright walking apes the ability to tolerate cold temperatures, climb through deep snow, and cross high mountain ranges with relative ease.

The figure to the left is a photo of a life-size Giganto reconstruction based on fossilized remains (click on the photo to see a larger version; the same reconstruction is pictured below with the sculptor showing its size relative to humans). The first photo is from the cover of a book about Gigantopithecus. The translation of the German title is "Why Did Giganto Have to Die?" (The original English version of the book is titled, "Other Origins".)

There is some physical evidence to indicate that Gigantos in Asia were hunted and eaten by Homo erectus (ancestors to humans that lived contemporaneously with Gigantos). The mainstream explanation for the apparent disappearance of Gigantos lays blame primarily on this predation by Homo erectus. Bigfoot-Giganto theorists do not accept the idea that a highly mobile genus like Gigantopithecus could have been completely wiped out by Homo erectus. Instead they look to consistencies in present day bigfoot reports and see the necessary behavioral adaptations which would have allowed the Giganto line to avoid extinction at the hands of man.

Bigfoots are typically sighted in or near remote wooded, mountainous, or swampy areas. They are rarely seen far from the cover of trees. If they encounter humans during daylight hours they tend to retreat and vanish into the forest. They seem to be most active when humans are least active -- late at night. Unlike mountain gorillas, bigfoots are never seen in large groups, and they don't stay in the same place for very long.

The ellusiveness of these modern mystery animals may stem from their bad experiences with pre-humans in Asia.
The Hypothesis

Over the past 500,000 years hominids gradually emerged from the thickest forests and began to organize into more stationary settlements. Gigantos remained semi-nomadic in the thick forests. Small family groups of Gigantos were widely dispersed in these forests. This dispersal provided more reliable foraging. It also made quick, quiet evasion much easier.

Small Giganto families of 2-4 wandered nomadically through vast forests. The territories were usally remote, but sometimes bordered human settled areas. After thousands of generations they developed some amazing evasion/defense mechanisms and behaviors, including night vision abilities. They also developed powerful vocal abilities, which allowed them to locate and interact with others of their kind. They made powerfully loud screams and howls that could be heard for miles in the dead of night. Late hours allowed them to avoid various undesirables: human dangers, overheating, water loss, and the worst insects. The night time vocalizations, and occassional tracks, were usually the only things noted by humans in the area.

The most commonly heard argument against the Bigfoot-Giganto hypothesis is that "we should have found their bones in North America by now..." This argument is, in fact, weak when one considers that very few remains of Gigantos have ever been found in Asia, where they were much more abundant. Tens of thousands of years of Gigantos' accepted existence in Asia would have produced literally millions of Giganto skeletons, yet the volume of collected remains from Asia is so small that the entire collection could fit easily in one suitcase.

One flavor of the Bigfoot-Giganto hypothesis suggests that bigfoots might not be direct descendants of the genus Gigantopithecus, but rather some other offshoot of the giant Asian "wood ape" line, perhaps a line for which we have zero fossils remains at the present time. The Giganto line is an important reference point for this alternate explanation for two reasons: 1) the Giganto line illustrates the potential for primates to grow to such 'gigantic' proportions (twice as large as the largest 'known' living primate), and 2) the fact that so few remains of Gigantos have been unearthed and identified makes it more conceivable that there could have been other lines of giant Asian wood apes for which we have no fossil remains at the present time.

People often assume that bones of a wild animal are present and available long after the animal's death. Many people assume that wild animal bones always become fossilized. The fact is bones become fossilized or otherwise preserved only in the rarest of circumstances. Without fossilization or preservation, bones of wild animals will, in time, become completely reabsorbed into the biomass. We would literally be climbing over piles of animal bones if they were not naturally recycled. An animal carcass in a dense forest will be reabsorbed relatively quickly through weathering, decay and scavenging by other animals and insects. The odds are very very poor that bones of a rare, elusive, forest dwelling species will be found in some recognizable form by a hiker cruising along a trail.

No research group has ever made an attempt to look for Giganto bones in North America, so no one should be surprised that Giganto remains have never been identified in North America. Ironically, the most vocal skeptics and scientists who rhetorically ask why no bones have been located and identified on this continent are the last people who would ever make an effort to look for them. Some Bigfoot-Giganto theorists speculate that fragmentary remains of Gigantos have been unearthed in North America in the past but were simply disregarded or misidentified.

The second most common argument against the Bigfoot-Giganto hypothesis asks " Why haven't hunters shot one in North America yet ? ..." The reasons are more obvious than most people might realize, and there's enough of them to make a separate article on that topic.

The third most common argument against the Bigfoot-Giganto hypothesis asks " Why aren't there more photos of these modern Gigantos ? ..." This question is also addressed in a separate article.

They will believe there is one in Tensas Parish, La. in about a month...

I thought I saw Bigfoot once - an awful hairy looking thing. It turned out to be Northern Dave treating himself for Monkey Butt.

The horror...

Well said. I try to stay open-minded on such things. On the lighter side, I know that my hunting partner has very large feet and he also has a squash patch in a raised bed.

I think thats what you really meant to say.

I will believe it when I see it (dead or alive).

Saw one in a Wonderbread store around 1982 - my son (who was 3 at the time) pointed and said "daddy, what is that"? I was at a loss to identify it as wholly human.

Just thinking this through, but how many dead bears have you run across, that died of natural causes? How many do you think you'd run across if there were only maybe a few thousand in the whole United States? Do most bears die/sh*t in the woods, or in the middle of the road/trail? If there were 10x, 100x, 1000x as many bears as bigfoot, how many bigfoot bones/scats would you find on the road/trail compared to as many as you've found of bears?

If an animal shares a habitat, say Bigfoot shares habitat with bears, deer, elk, etc and has to eat the same food would you think their "dump" would look significantly different than the other animals it's sharing it's habitat with? Who's to say you haven't stepped over a broken Bigfoot rib bone or scat and just thought it was something else? So, say there is no reason you wouldn't find Bigfoot bones or scats, say you would absolutely see them, if only once or twice based on how many other animal bones/scats you see, would you know the difference between a known animal and a Bigfoot bone or scat?

Also, there have been hair, scats, footprints, broken trees, bedding areas (and more) not easily attributed to other animals (which isn't to say it's an unknown primate), so there is physical evidence, just not indisputable physical evidence.

Most of the believers are Obama supporters. Otherwise they wouldn't have put a big foot in the white house.

Well, I don't believe they're possible, contrary to what some folks say.

Evidence of them is not existant, for one thing. Second, for a population to thrive, need quite a few numbers to breed, etc. And living in numbers, they would be more widely seen.

Third, not enough wild food where they're supposed to live. Wild plants don't have much nutrients, and so herbivores need to eat most of their waking hours. Game, well....no other ape is carnivorous, although some [bleep] will occasionaly eat meat. No other ape is a hunter, they don't go far from home but stay secluded where plants and fruits ARE plentiful. And that being the case, the area where they're reported simply has too many people walking about to not see them, their sign, crap, or whatever.

Fourth, there is no fossil record of any apes in either of the Americas, N. or S. Monkeys, yes; apes, no. So if an ape were to come to N. America, it would have to migrate there thru Siberia, which has been frigid always. An unshod animal like an ape simply couldn't make it. Takes a hoof to go that way.

And last, there ain't no bigfoot.

I remember when I was a PV2 in the Army, going to bed with Vanna White, but waking up with Bigfoot once or twice. ya didn't have to be 21 in Louisiana when i was a Private.

Gotta believe in something, I choose Bigfoot.

I'm not a believer, I'm a skeptic with an open mind. So, just to keep this going a little longer...



Evidence and proof are two very different things. There is hair, scat, footprints, witness sightings, bedding areas, photos, video evidence, scientific reconstruction and analysis supporting an animal outside the range of human height/weight. Evidence is there, proof is not.



How many would be needed? If that number were compared to the numbers of other woods animals what would be the expectation of them being seen? Would it be widely seen, or seen in far fewer numbers than you think? If you'd expect to see them, how do you handle the thousands of witness sightings and reports? Are there not enough witness sightings or do you discount them for some obvious reason?



Primates are hunters, apes/[bleep]. Are there not fruits/vegetables in the woods? What if Bigfoot is similar to a [bleep] or a human (remember humans are primates too)? Why would Bigfoot, living in the same woods as a bear or an elk or a deer not eat something similar? If the woods can support elk why can they not support Bigfoot? Do elk eat a lot of meat, and if not, why think Bigfoot would need to eat more than the other woods-animal? There are a lot of people that have never seen a bear in the woods. There are many that wouldn't have seen them if they weren't baited. Most people stay on established trails. Is that the best place to see a large animal? You say apes "stay secluded where plants and fruits ARE plentiful". Is that the best place for people to see them, or would they be less likely to be seen if what you say is true?



No fossil record, good point. If the ape had to migrate through Siberia, which is frigid, is it less likely to have made it than humans? How did other primates get to the Americas (NA/SA)? How did the monkeys get to S. America? How did humans get to the Americas? Would another primate, Bigfoot, be less likely to make it than humans, hoofed animals?



Good point, hard to argue with that

Seems to me that with all the hiking,camping, hunting and especially the logging going on in the PNW for all these years, that if one did exist, someone would have found some evidence.
Not saying they don't exist, but----

Do you not think hair, scat, photos, prints, and witnesses are evidence, or, did you not know this evidence was out there? Do you not consider it evidence? Is evidence proof, or does evidence support a conclusion?

Not saying they exist, but there is some information out there supporting people's claims.

Are you being serious or playing along?

If you are serious, I didn't know such evidence existed either.

I'm being serious; however, when DNA analysis is done it means the thing being analyzed is compared to what's already known. So, you find a hair, have it analyzed and get a response of 'didn't come back as anything already in the database'. Well, does that mean it was Bigfoot? No, it doesn't mean that to me, but it does to some people. Means to me that it could have been contaminated, or it could be a new species, but it's not specific enough for me. So, you find scat that doesn't appear to be bear. Do DNA analysis on it and find it to be too degraded to be properly tested. What if it had a bacteria or parasite in it that bears don't carry? Well, some people would say, yep it's Bigfoot.

There are hundreds if not thousands of prints throughout the United States. There are tree breaks that don't appear to be weather related or rubs from deer or elk. There are witnesses in every state except Hawaii. There are photos from several states. There is even someone that's found the same print (as far as he can tell the same individual) hundreds of miles away. He collects prints from the Sierra Nevadas in California and has found several prints, several hundreds of miles apart that appear to be from the same thing.

What's all that mean, I don't know. It doesn't mean to me that there is an unknown primate in the US, but it's evidence to support a conclusion. I don't think it's the right evidence to support the conclusion there is a Bigfoot, but some people do.

Dr. Jeff Meldrum wrote a book, Legend Meets Science, which doesn't answer the question for me, but it does for some people. There's a lot of evidence out there, and some would say there is a preponderence of the evidence to support it's a real animal. I need a little more.

Edited to add: I've found tracks, human shaped tracks that were about 17" long and walked down an embankment. I also found a track near a creek that looked a lot my own foot, but bigger. What's that mean? Maybe someone bigger than me was walking around barefoot in the middle of the woods where I hadn't seen a 4wheeler track or signs of any other humans

I have an open mind on the subject. I have seen one instance of scat in a dirt road in Northern California that I took for a broken limb until I saw it after someone had run across it and broke it up. whatever it came from had to be huge.
I have never seen anything that looked like a big foot but have had some strange things happen,
One afternoon and evening in particular had a series of unusual happenings that ended with something rocking my truck while I was sleeping in it.
Since it was pitch black outside and I had several rifles with me I decided it was safer not to go outside and investigate.

Santa, the tooth fairy, and the Easter Bunny all confirm the existence of Bigfoot.

If there is any evidence of an unknown species in N. America collected by anyone which would stand up to critical analysis, it would unleash a brigade of zoologists and biologists roaming the woods, eager to make a career by finding such an animal.

Evidence to that effect doesn't exist. Except, I'm sorry to say, on "Monster Quest" on the History Channel.

that's just uncalled for.

hurtful, hurt my feeling. I'm filling out a hurt feelings report right now, that'll learn ya. Meaner.

Yeah, well, did ya have to use my trailer hitch?

I think most doctors (PhD) would not jump on a bandwagon, but would look at the evidence with skepticism and would not spend their own money on the subject. I doubt it's easy to get a grant to study something that you can't prove exists. That being said, I somewhat agree, that the evidence to date hasn't stood up to critical analysis. Some of the evidence stands up to some of the critical analysis, but I don't think everyone accepts the conclusion, Bigfoot. I think the conclusions are inconclusive, something, but what can't be absolutely defined without a body.

There are doctors who are looking at the subject, Dr. Bindernagel, Dr. Meldrum, Dr. Krantz (dead), Dr. Eisner (these are just a few). Even Jane Goodall, who has a lot of primate experience, has made more than one reference to the existence of Bigfoot being plausible. Most of the "doctors" from which I've read or heard something stated said there must be a body to explain the evidence collected and without a body the evidence cannot/will not stand on it's own. That's probably true of almost any animal cataloged though, that without the body there won't be an acceptance of it regardless of the evidence and regardless of the critical analysis of the evidence presented. What exists without being able to see/touch it? Even then, someone can see it, but it doesn't prove it exists for others (there are thousands of sightings of Bigfoot but it doesn't prove anything to those that don't accept those witness sightings as fact/proof).

Edited to add Jane Goodalls recent interview on NPR by Frank Sesno (I believe Sept 9 2009):

"FS: Question here from James, who writes here in email to [email protected]. Here we go... "You are quoted on an NPR Show a few years ago noting that you either believed that bigfoot type creatures could exist in certain areas in the US, or around the world,.. or that you would not be surprised to find they existed. Could you explain further about this issue?" ... Bigfoot? I didn't see a chapter on bigfoot in your book?

JG: No I didn't write about bigfoot in the book. But I'm asked questions about my belief in bigfoots all the time. Or sasquatch, or yowee of Austrailia, or the abominable snowman, the yeti, different names all over the place. I cannot believe that the descriptions of these creatures around the world would be so similar if there wasn't something. My scientific mind says, well it's very strange that there aren't any remains, if these creatures exist. But on the other hand, logic says, well its all over the place.

Now my best story comes from Ecuador, from the middle of nowhere. And I was there with some villagers actually introducing "Roots and Shoots" in the middle of nowhere. It took two hours of flying, no roads and the little communities maintain contact because the hunters would go like the old traveling troubadours and they would take the news. So I asked the interpreter. I said, will you ask some of these hunters? Ask in the villages. All I said was, "Have you seen a monkey walking upright?" No more than that.

And much later I got the answer that in three of the little villages people said, "Oh yes. There's a monkey that walks upright. It has no tail. It's about seven foot high.

FS: Ookaaay. And from that you conclude?

JG: Well, from that I conclude that, you know, these people have no vested interest. There was no, "Oh, she wants to hear that there was bigfoot."

FS: But what happens to your scientific mind, like you say, you know. If there were something that huge and had been around for a while, wouldn't someone find a remain, or a bone, or something?

JG: Not if they are of an advanced enough level that they actually understand and can bury their dead. You don't actually find - talking to hunters - you don't find like dead bears around very often. You don't find dead mountain lions and that sort of thing.

FS: So you're a believer? Agnostic? Where... where are you?

JG: I'm... I have an open mind. I'm a romantic. I want them to be there. I'm not going to say they're not there. Absolutely, I think they might be."

She's better versed in primates than I am.

I invented & developed that 5 gallon pail sized applicator that works like a deoderant stick. I use that now.

Read the book THE LONG WALK by Slavomir Rawisz. It provides some interestig evidence. A VERY good read.

I won't discount the possibility. Hey, didn't we just do this one? Fall aint supposed to be rerun season.

I dont believe in big foot. However, I find it interesting that almost every culture in the world has some myth about a large ape/human like creature living in secluded places. I think its psychological reflection of our primative past.

Bigfoot is real. Notice the similarities from the primative past? MI VHNTR

Funny monsterquest was in boggy creek today looking for the swamp critter the local version of bigfoot.

I don't believe bigfoot is out there. There can't be a bigfoot. There would have to be a population of bigfoots (or would that be big feet)? There would be road kills, carcasses, even something in the fossil record to represent.

The fact no bodies have been found bothers me, and until that would ever occur, all this would be speculation.

If there is another primate here, perhaps they've become pretty good at avoiding humans. I can't personally buy the road kill part, as they theoretically could live in such a remote part of continent that roads wouldn't have to be crossed much. How many cougar road kills are there in the west? Not too many I would guess.

Lack of evidence in the fossil record is definitely a big issue as well, and is one of the big problems I have with the idea of a large unknown primate here or elsewhere. On the other hand, like Goodall, I have a hard time discounting all the stories and myths that so many independent cultures have formed regarding the idea.

my younger brother use to work for me he's 44.once in awhile we'd be working on a job and this subject would come up and i'd have to leave because once he gets started on bigfoot theres no stopping him.you'd think bigfoot was his long lost best buddy

There was obviously a large primate in Asia, Gigantopithecus and there is only one or site where their bones were found, in a cave. Isn't Asia near where they'd cross to the Americas, maybe they came across to the US.

Hitler is not dead. He is alive and well doing experiments trying to get the super race he always wanted. he is cross breeding different races of huminoids with gorillas, but they are all sterile. so he turns them loose and you are seeing them as yeti,bigfoot ETC. that is why there are no families of them.

No one that has spent any time on the Internet can deny there existence. We all know a number of members that lurk on this site covered in hair with big smelly feet. It just seems that the "I wish I was a real siecentis instead of a pretender" haven't discovered them on the net.

I know four different people that claim to have seen big foot. All I know is I'm in the woods a lot more than all four combined and sure as heck ain't ever seen one. I don't think I really want to see one anyway.

I am bigfoot.

there, i said it, now leave me alone.

Spotting a bigfoot is like meeting an intelligent woman, we've all heard of them but we've never seen one.

i have size 13 feets if that counts???

She was fron Lingle wasn't she!

Didn't want this to die.

Or Lusk.

I very much doubt that Big Foot exists in North America, but such a Great Ape could exist in other parts of the world. South East Asia has produced at least one new deer species in recent years, and smaller stuff gets discovered far more frequently...

I'm size 15, with a grizzled beard.

My roommate always called me "Sasquatch."

BMT

Yep, I saw one this morning.

No, wait, that was the wife. You ought to see the size of those gun boats.