Being a Texan, I'm pro-energy but there is more to solar and wind and Canada oil sands and our Wyoming shale-oil than drilling offshore- less environmental impact.

Let's stop this offshore clusterpuck!!!!

The real problem has to do with illegal immigrants.

Yeah, that too!!!

Don't know why they havn't capped that bitch. The equipment and technology exists.

A very knowledgeable friend told me years ago that oil can be safely and responsibly extracted from deepwater and north slope fields.

But BP certainly wasn't the one to do it.

So you prefer China, Cuba, Russia to drill in the Gulf than Americans or British?

Somebody is going to drill in the Gulf and off shore it might as well be us.

Funny how this has never happened before and now it happens just when The Obamanation comes around and says he has changed his mind on off-shore drilling.

"Don't ever let a crisis go to waste!"

Things that make you go hmm....

I don't believe in coincidence, the government had a hand in it some how.

tin foil time..

I'd just like to see an explanation as to how this happened.

Could someone give me a link? Seems we are several days overdue on an explanation.

Rumors only gain traction in the absence of real information.

its in 5000 ft of water easier said than done

during cementing operations, they had a pressure surge, the mud column didn't hold, the BOP failed, oil and gas hit the rig floor and was ignited. rig eventually burned up and sank, pipe string is twisted up on the botton. ROVs have been trying and failing to activate the BOP on the sea floor through a tangle of rig debris and pipe.

anybody who thinks BP isn't doing everything money can buy to get this shut in is smoking dope.

+1-- BP is desperate to shut this thing in. Their stocks are taking a hit and oil prices are gonna go up because of the associated costs for cleanup. Bad publicity and a looming moritorium. In the end it's the fellas at the gas pumps like you and me that will pay not big oil.

More kneejerk reaction BS. You could stick a windmill on every hill in America plus turn the entire state of Arizona into a solar panel and still not produce ten percent of the power required in the U.S. We either take control of our own destiny by maintaining our energy infastructure, or we fade into history like the Romans while other nations like China, Russia, and India come in and take over the oil. Like it or not the world runs on oil. No one would like to see us off of oil more than me, but that's not reality at this time. It's crucial that we invest the money developing alternative sources of energy, our "not in my backyard" approach to nuclear energy has left us in the position of being so dependent upon oil that we're in the grips of nations Saudi Arabia and Iran. These terrorist supporting thugs should have absolutely no influence upon the direction of the United States, but our lack of foresight and backbone 30 years ago has left us tied to these demons. Now because of an oil spill we've got more NIMBY's clamoring to shut down the offshore drilling industry which would leave us even more dependent upon these nations ran by thugs and despots. Idiotic.

We are our own worst enemy and thinking like this will be the destruction of our nation and life as we know it. If your grandchildren end up speaking Chinese because we allowed our nation to lose control of our energy supply and destiny over something like this then look in the mirror to see the reason. I'm sure glad that my generation wasn't in charge during WWII, we'd have been too busy pissing ourselves over the diesel fuel spilled in Pearl Harbor to ever wage a war against the Japanese.

Thanks for the explanation. What's BOP? I think I know what ROV---remote operated vehicle is.

BOP is a large 21 inch Blow out preventer which can hydraulically shear drillpipe and some drill collars with Hydraulic assist. These arrangements of valves and rams are usually rated at 15,000 psi so can easily contain the formation pressure developed at 18,000 ft. They seem to have lost communication with this monster valve sitting on the bottom of the Gulf. They use a multiplex or acoustic system as backup.

Even Limbaugh suspects the Fuher in all this. He's not noted for wearing a tin foil hat.

I think why so many of us suspect the national government in conspiracy is becuase every time there is a catastrophe the national government looks on with glee knowing they can get one more legislative piece passed that will take away liberty and freedom and give the government more power and control over the serfs.

Through out history national governments have staged events to go to war and to control the serfs. This national government is no different. If this national government under this regime could stage a catastrophic event to get cap and tax (trade) passed it would.

Thanks.

No this wreck is not one of those conspiracy things.
By the way we were speaking about the Valdez the other day. 21 years later they are still finding ducks with oil on their feathers.
There are still exists pools of oil missed by the workers or that have surfaced later.

In Canada you maybe right but in the US our national government is so crooked that even a crooked road looks straight.

As to the problems with oil, I agree but accidents do happen no matter what we do and oil is necessary for our survival and economy.

Even those wonderful windmills cause problems even going so far as to kill birds.

I think far to many of us have become hedonists, all pleasure with no pain. Yin and Yang, pleasure and pain, is a Law of Nature. The secret of life is to balance that pleasure and pain as best as we can and move on.

PH Texan

another lefty troll.........

7 posts in a day, for a [bleep] newb, and this is all the dipscheit has to say:

Well, I must've left my tinfoil off last night, or the government has finally developed little rays that go right through it, 'cause I don't suspect any conspiracy here.

Another conspiracy theory from Rush. That helps. And BP is doing everything humanly possible to repair whatever happened, but they don't seem to have a clue, except to call the Coast Guard, and their stock is falling. Now that's important.

Oh, how about this not being a major spill even if it takes a year to cap? I read that on here or the saltwater forum yesterday.

In an effort to show just how serious we are about stopping oil exploration and drilling, I say we stop using carbon based fuels immediately.

I'll wait for you to set the example, then I'll join in.

How was oil discovered? It was pools of oil above graound and animals were constantly getting in them and dying. If man had not refined the oil those above ground pools would still be a problem taoday. It is acctualy un-natural not to have animal getting oil soaked

Most do not know the history of oil apparently

Steve is correct. For those of you that think ti is a simple matter to close in this well nuder water, then be my guest and close it off, never mind the danger associated with doing so.

Just remember that I am big oil! I am a shareholder and I suspect that you are too if you have any mutual funds. Big oil is not really any different from small oil, just the number of owners.

BP has a pretty lousy reputation in the US, on many levels. This is kind of like payback....for their stupid greenie commercials they've been running, and their cozying up to the carbon credit/AGW scam artists here and in England trying to buy political cover.

If you're going to be an oil company, grow a pair and act like one, instead of a flower shop. And take care of your business, instead of this amateur hour they've got going.

Riding and or driving an automobile is a far greater risk to your health

Offshore oil is a disaster: Our fishing and seafood and health are at risk

I got a good chuckle out of that..thank you !

I allways wonder about these containment issues with oil, I mean it completely seperates itself from water doesn't tend to blend with any other nonvolitile liquids is less dense than water why not drop a a hvy fkn inverted funnel over the leak with pipe attached and pump it off till the bop can be clipped. 5000 feet gents ain't that deep with todays tech. I can see the pipe debri bein a bitch though. I just keep hearing these horror stories repeated over and over, I think we have to think huge containment contraptions, funnels for well leaks, huge vacuums, and agitators, [bleep] old walmart floaty rafts just aren't ever gonna cut it, booms either.

I do believe that bp is doing what they can but even more than that I believe there is a lot that could be devised adn created for these type of scenarios, oil containment etc, surrounding it and burning is about a dipshit idea if there was one. You gotta catch it at the root somehow.

You know most people think BP stands for British Petroleum. According to BP it stands for Beyond Petroleum. Those who work for BP know that it means Brown Petroleum. Those that know Lord Brown, know that it actually stands for Brokeback Petroleum. So there isn't a pair there to grow, and flower shops...well....

I know some guys who represent BP in Houston who fought tooth and nail to keep Brown from being subpoeaned for a trial over there because they didn't figure a poofter peer would go over very well with a Texas jury.

Yeah, sounds like friggen politics; Texas maybe should have stayed independent; at least we'd have cleaner water and fewer illegal aliens from MX.

Yeah you can't even harvest seafood without oil in the boat engine.

just talked to a buddy who is a high muckety muck in Exxon.....all the majors are trying to help BP figure out how to cork this thing. they are scared to death that the Obama admin will use this to shut in the whole Gulf.

hussein might want to shut down the Gulf, but China, Russia, Mexico, Venezuela, Iran and a host of others are drilling night and day for the oil.

Losers of course.................. America

The latest news is really sad and is expected to get worse:

ALL fishing East of the MS River has been shut down

Those who are shrimpers , commercial fisherman, fishing guides, bait shop owners, boat launches, Marinas, hotels, etc...... are non-operational right now and receiving NO money due to this oil spill

praying that winds blow the oil more Easterly towards the MS, AL, FLA beaches. Oil is much easier removed from sandy beaches vs. marsh grass

90 percent of all the marine species in the Gulf of Mexico depend on the Louisiana coastal estuaries and marsh at some point in their lives

Louisiana produces 50 percent of the nation's wild shrimp crop, 40 percent of its blue claw crabs and 60 percent of its oysters .




just a few pics to share w/ my brothers


pics from Sun 4-25-10 ; oil slick was 100 miles long x 45 miles wide




notice how small the ships are



pics from 4-29-10 ; eeerily resembling a Hurricane




on Thursday the oil slick was @ 1150 sq miles in ircumference, by noon Saturday , it has tripled to 3850 sq miles ... mainly due to winds


general idea of what's going on

It will be hard to change careers now from fishing to cleaning shores, rocks,oil soaked critters etc..probably for many years to come. There will still be employment but of a different kind. There will also be big shortfalls of seafoods and expect a big price increase there also with Vietnam, Thailand, India, and other countries filling the orders.
Feel bad, for the good people of these coastal areas.
Divine help is needed for sure on this one.

Exactly. This is an economic, environmental and cultural disaster!!

I ain't ever seen oil hurt us that wasn't refined.

Oh it can be done DD, it just needs to be done....better. And with more preparedness for the inevitable.

Until some of those at the top face the possiblity of criminal misconduct, the culture won't change.

Man, as this disaster has unfolded, the attitude has changed around here, hasn't it?....


Casey

The money should have been spent in being better prepared. Shutting the barn door after the cows are gone isn't going to save BP now.



Casey

Didn't know a duck lived 21 years... [bleep] that its all damn propaganda on the old spills... I've been there a number of times since, and life is normal. Geez.

Of course thats NOT what we expected to find when there. We were on the beaches fishing and wondering around, watching the wildlife, catching fish, flipping rocks over looking for evidence, there ain't much....

Pools of oil 21 years old....

?.......





Casey

it is now reported that the decision was made not to install a half million dollar electronic remote control BOP, on the basis that it was unnecessary. while that might have failed too, this is going to drive the lawyers nuts....I'm sure Transocean and BP are going back over that little email chain right now [bleep] bullets over who made the final call.

It'll be okay. We'll get past it. If it weren't for politics this would barely be news. Not a lot different from the Mexican border thing. Since when has the rest of the country given a [bleep] about the Gulf Coast? Other than Katrina, of course. The MSM says it's news, so it's news.

Yup. I'm sure this disaster will change things and make drilling in the ocean safer.

If it was an accident things will be learned for the next time.

If it was sabotage security will be changed and done better.

If it was an attack by a sub or some such, we will learn we need to protect the rigs better either by the Coast Guard or the Navy.

Out of every disaster we always learn to do things better.

Easier said than done.

And lie-berals like you are trying damned hard, damned fast, to cash in.

Typical.

It's not good, but I think you have your panties too much in a wad.

I'm hearing stupid stuff like it will never recover. The gulf is dead. It's the worst disaster ever.

The current spill would have to leak at it's current rate for another full two years before it even reached the 1979 gulf spill......you don't hear that a lot on the news do you?

Did the gulf die? Did it never recover?

WRONG!

Here are the facts NathanL:

You can't even read.

The 1979 spill dropped 3 million barrels into the Gulf, divide 5000 in 3 million, that's 600 days.

And this:

So I guess we stay the course and try and keep up with those bench mark countries?

Well since PH seems to live in fantasy land I guess we could always use this to dril under the gulf. I'd love to live in a world where mistakes, accidents, disasters didn't happen but they do. You man up and take care of the problem, learn from it and try not to repeat it in the future.

I've had better and not enough blonds

Yeah but I don't have standards.

Pat, Pat, Pat!

"The carpet matches the curtains," on the redhead. My wife said OMG!!!!!

I guess I didn't look at it enough...oops.

I guess the censors were right on top of that one. I tried posting a reply and it said the post I was replying to was pulled.

More than one way to skin a cat.

No poofters in Texas?
I remenber a guy in court for assalting a bar patron bad enough he lost an eye. The accused was pretty upset to find out the judge only had 1 eye himself. Lost it playin hocky

None in Iran either.

[quote=PH_Texan]Exactly. This is an economic, environmental and cultural disaster!! [/quote



You talkin about wolves?

Less impact in oil shale? You do realize they have to tear down mountains of shale and then bake it right? You are aware that there is no direct replacement for petroleum or natural gas, both of which must be drilled for right? You are aware that the oil sands are strip mined from sub arctic terrain right? Are you aware that to power a city block with solar you need to place 10 city blocks of land in the shade of collectors? No impact there at all. You know that wind turbines kill condors and raptors and are unreliable for power generation right? Less impact? Hardly.

This stinks no doubt and they need to fix it quick. It's not as if someone nuked the delta however.

yer a [bleep] troll.

Happy that you have your opinion. It's not easy to realize when someone else is right and you are wrong and some people react just like you when they feel that way.

First step is to understand that what I am saying has truth.

Thank you.

P.S. Let's hope the oil doesn't affect Florida like it seems to be doing to other states.

I for one don't think your a troll though I don't necessarily agree with you on all this. I do think if Florida is able to share the gain they should be prepared to share the pain too.

I agree with you on that.

I've just seen enough destruction of habitat due to oil that we don't need to see it affecting our waters, coastline, fish, birds, wetlands, marshes and ecosystem of shrimp, crab, oysters and environment even more than what happens on land.

Are you a member of "Friends of Crustaceans"?

MY feeling on offshore drilling is even if we don't (and I believe we should) some one else will. How many times has this happened vs safely completed wells. Are you going to quit driving because there are car crashes?

You phreaking commie bastard, lefty, Maoist, cross dressing, son of a thousand fathers.... Welcome to the Campfire!

I take it you two know each other?

Could be, PH where did you go to school?

Hell, I've had the Gulf of Mexico in my house and I'm all for it!

ain't it the truth, Pat.

They already are.

Cuba, along with China and Venezuala are already drilling in areas the United States should already have claimed for itself! (more D.C. incompetence)