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I honestly do not know but she probably stands a better chance than the "Old Boys Club" of probable Republican candidates.

For Romney it's over, probably for Huckabee as well. I don't think Gingrich would do very well either. I was listening to Killmee (sp?) and Friends on Fox radio this morning and they think she is probably the best bet but probably can't beat him either.

I think whether she gets and accepts the nomination and bests Obama will all depend on tomorrow and what the Republicans do in Congress in the next two years. If the "Old Boys Club" of the Republican Party retains leadership of Congress and compromises with Obama on everything to advance Obama's agenda than it's all over for the Republicans.

What do you all think?
I think she could, Tim-depending on how much more stupidity the Obama administration shows the next two years.
Also, if the economy continues to tank, that will help the Republican cause immensely, IMO.
If she got the nomination, I'd vote for her - again.

But let me toss in a dark horse name as the person who I think will actually get it: John Huntsman. He's the former governor of Utah (where he achieved great success for our economy) and was named Ambassador to China by Obama - probably to get him out of sight.

I'd vote for Hunstman in a heartbeat, as I would for Palin or Hunstman/Palin.
She's not running. She has all the influence and power she wants as a pundit and as a speaker for hire. Lots of cash, lots of love, few headaches.
Rocky,
Is that Huntsman the same fellow that had(has?) the chemical company?
This is a list of potential presidential candidates as of last week that the Democratic Party is gathering info on ...

Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Haley Barbour
Tim Pawlenty
Newt Gingrich
John Thune
Mitch Daniels
Bobby Jindal
The fly-in-the-ointment Tim is this, is the Republican "Old Boys Club" going to go alone with Obama or gridlock and say no more.

If the Republican "Old Boys Club" goes along with the Obama agenda then it's all over for the Republican Party. The Tea Party will then have to become an actual political party.

The "Old Boys Club" keeps saying we don't understand we have to meet Obama half way and I say no way Spud. I want to crush the Obama Regime and the Democrats with constitutional government.
Tim,
I am hoping that the Tea Party will continue to gain momentum, and perhaps have a positive influence on the Repubs.
Of course, maybe I am just overly optimistic?

A guy can hope, at least.
In my *opinion* she is not electable. The media has already "imprinted" on the great unwashed that she is a shrill, trailer-trash extremist and her family has not helped in this regard. Delving further into the pshyche of the masses, she does not have "command presence", then again they did elect the marxist so anything is possible. Now if life was fair and she was judged on her views, absolutely she could win, but as a whole package I'm not seeing it.

OH! You Betcha! Sarah is running!
Originally Posted by hatari
She's not running. She has all the influence and power she wants as a pundit and as a speaker for hire. Lots of cash, lots of love, few headaches.


Yep,you pretty much nailed it.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
In my *opinion* she is not electable. The media has already "imprinted" on the great unwashed that she is a shrill, trailer-trash extremist and her family has not helped in this regard. Delving further into the pshyche of the masses, she does not have "command presence", then again they did elect the marxist so anything is possible. Now if life was fair and she was judged on her views, absolutely she could win, but as a whole package I'm not seeing it.


Pretty much how I see it too.
Palin, even if she did run, cannot win. There are still too many voters out there that let the mainstream media do their thinking for them. Palin has been labeled "too dumb" to be President. The media likes that tag. They discovered how well it works, albeit too late, with Bush 43. Palin has been similarly branded and the sheeple of the general public believe it.

Like it or not, unless/until America wakes up, Palin is not a viable candidate. I'm not saying she couldn't nail down the GOP nomination, but she wouldn't be able to unseat Obama.
Honestly, If it's Palin it's still Obama's to lose. I'm hoping for a dark horse, too. Paul Ryan?
Originally Posted by jorgeI
In my *opinion* she is not electable. The media has already "imprinted" on the great unwashed that she is a shrill, trailer-trash extremist and her family has not helped in this regard. Delving further into the pshyche of the masses, she does not have "command presence", then again they did elect the marxist so anything is possible. Now if life was fair and she was judged on her views, absolutely she could win, but as a whole package I'm not seeing it.


We were typing at the same time--I agree with this assessment as well!
The GOP needs a "new face". The problem with McCain, Dole, ect is that the are old, look old, talk old.....

What about John Thune or someone like him?



ddj
Originally Posted by jorgeI
In my *opinion* she is not electable. The media has already "imprinted" on the great unwashed that she is a shrill, trailer-trash extremist and her family has not helped in this regard. Delving further into the pshyche of the masses, she does not have "command presence", then again they did elect the marxist so anything is possible. Now if life was fair and she was judged on her views, absolutely she could win, but as a whole package I'm not seeing it.


jorge,

I believe in what you're saying. There's too much negativity has been spewed by the media against her. It'd be a tough hurdle to overcome and there's a lot of folks that just don't like her.

I like her and her common sense attitude. I think she would make a great president. She's definitely NOT in the Old Boy's club and that's what we, as a country, need - IMHO.
yes she can. yes she can , yes she can,
How well Palin or another Republican might do in 2012 will boil down to just how well the economy is doing or if it's still in the tank.
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Can Palin beat Obama in 2012 if she gets the nomination?

Ray Price was short one side man for a gig one night and asked Willie Nelson "Can you play bass?"

"Can't everybody?" Willie asked.

If there's any national sanity come November 2012, the Roamin' Gnome could beat Pinocchiobama.
I like Palin... but she has a lot of baggage and her resigning from the Alaska Governors office did not and will not help her candidacy.

IMO

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All jokes aside, if the Republicans take control after Nov 2nd and they turn around the mess the Obama Administration has put this country in then yes if the country stays the same or gets worse under a Republican Congress then no
I do not think she could get elected.
Of all the people in the political limelight that I'd enjoy sitting down to dinner with, Sarah and Tod Palin top the list. But I just don't think she has the gravitas to win the presidency. Her great strength is that she connects with people, and her present role plays well to that advantage.

I'm not overly wild about any of the other leading GOP candidates. They're like graham crackers: There's a lot in them that's good, but they are hard to get excited about.

Romney built a formidable campaign machine, and is now using that to help other candidates. That's a move probably designed to help him build a base of political allies. Good move. Even though he is clearly the most capable executive on the political stage, I don't think he is going to be President either.

Huntsman enjoyed very wide approval as governor here in Utah, and I think he does have aspirations. I'm a bit less enthusiastic about him than Rocky, but agree that he's immensely better than Obama.

Jindal needs a few gray hairs and a voice like Fred Thompson. I think he does have potential.

Huckabee forever lost any possibility of my vote when he played the anti-Mormon bigotry card against Romney.

Gingrich has the gravitas and an amazing grasp of historical precedent and context. When he does a spot on Fox, I pay close attention to what he says. I like him, but I also know that I'm in the minority.

We need someone vital and charismatic. I'm not sure where you find that in the current field of GOP candidates. OTH, at this point I'd settle for a drug store wooden Indian over what we've got in the White House.


Originally Posted by jorgeI
In my *opinion* she is not electable. The media has already "imprinted" on the great unwashed that she is a shrill, trailer-trash extremist and her family has not helped in this regard. Delving further into the pshyche of the masses, she does not have "command presence", then again they did elect the marxist so anything is possible. Now if life was fair and she was judged on her views, absolutely she could win, but as a whole package I'm not seeing it.



Life is not Fair.
�Fair� is where you go to ride on rides-eat cotton candy-and step in monkey poop.

Much of what you say about the great unwashed is true-but Sarah has made tremendous progress in the past year.
Just wait until next year-you ain�t see nothing yet.
So far she has made all the right moves-zilch wrong ones.

What has her family done to hurt her?
Dancing With the Stars plays to the great unwashed.
They ain�t gonna watch the Palins on FOX NEWS-so you have to go to the other Fox channel.
And I am betting that �Sarah Palin's Alaska� which starts five days after the election will really impress a lot of folks. Record ratings.
I say this because everything she does always turns out Bigger and Better.
Like all the elections she has been part of.

Uncle Karl-Good Norwegian that he is-couldn�t be more wrong.
Palin�s Plan is right out of the Reagan Playbook.
You know-that Cowboy who hosted all those TV specials and did all those grade B movies.
And pulled off two Landslide National Elections.
If Sarah wins the primary she wins the White House if O is the opposition....I'm surprised at the negative responses.
I have to wonder how the MSM will portray PinocchiO and Sis � Beauty and The Beast � in 2012.
I want to play devil's advocate for a minute. These aren't my thoughts or what I believe in but maybe an insight into what others might think. When I say others - not the folks here on the fire.

One of Palin's biggest hurdles to overcome in an election (and she can't) is her family. I remember Obama on stage with his wife and kids portraying the "family man". It appeals to voters.

If anything she has an "average" family with issues. I can look past it. In times gone by a thing like this would be huge or almost impossible to overcome. Every effort was made to hide black sheep from the media.

Last election a black sheep got elected though. Who woodda thunk?

As a Hoosier, I think that our Governor Mitch Daniels would make a good candidate. To get elected his choice of running mate needs to be someone with name recognition and recognized accomplishments. Mitch has done a great job as our governor and he would get my vote should he be the Republican candidate in '012.
I think she could do if she keeps polishing her image as she has been since the 2008 fiasco.

Against either Bam Bam or Hildabeast.
Could she be elected if she employed a teleprompter to smooth out some of her speeches? I would prefer to see her back a strong candidate.

I will vote for the individual most likely to defeat the socialist democrat.
Originally Posted by Ken Howell
I have to wonder how the MSM will portray PinocchiO and Sis � Beauty and The Beast � in 2012.


The MSM would call this Genius vs ignorant redneck.....and then Sarah kicks his backside and starts picking Supreme Court judges.

It's really a no-brainer.
Thanks for the optimistic comments.

The other observations were interesting as well.

What happens Tuesday in the elections could be important. That the conservatives do well is going to be the news. If obama looks weak then good.
I dont believe she is going to run but if she did I dont think she would defeat "O", what would be her platform? Does she have a plan for the economy? Immigration? Taxes? I dont buy for a minute the I'm just like you BS, no politician is.

After seeing her interviews last election cycle she would have to go a LONG way to convince alot of folks.
I agree 100% ...I don't know about the rest of you guys but I think this whole idea of party voting seems to be out the window nowdays..as what shocked me in our state last election.

Nebraska has always been a very conservative state and voted that way probably more than any other but the economy and loss of jobs plus all the false promises of Barry swayed many over to the Dark Side.I'll interject here so you'll know, "I WASN'T one who crossed over."

I agree with Jorge and others.. I first of all don't think Palin will run ..I like her spunk but I feel she will be better suited in other roles like RNC chair or continuing to energize the base.She carries way too much baggage for a run at the presidency IMO..If she was nominated I absolutely would vote for her but don't think it will happen.

We as conservatives can't get too cocky even as we will no doubt control the House but also need to put new faces out there and do it ASAP ahead of the 2012 election...if we don't we will loose again!!
Well, those that don't get it (you) aren't gonna get it no matter how much she works to help you get it....get it?
Stan, you know nothing, why even try?
I don't think she can win, Jindal probably a better bet.
Here's another thought. Her appeal to the masses.

I don't know if this concept is even viable anymore with the country as divided as it is.

Clinton got elected on his charisma. Or so I've heard. I never saw it.

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Is it possble nowadays for a candidate to have charisma and appeal to the masses?
Absolutely...right now the way I see it.. loss of a job,retirement income,declining investment dividends,tax increases,cost of living and general health of the economy trumps ALL political party and candidates.Think this will stay as it is until we elect an intellengent president and lawmakers to help him turn this thing around!!
Palin is very effective in a cheerleading role and in energizing the vote. I give her quite a bit of credit for GOP energy heading into tomorrow.

However, when off-script she is less impressive. Answering in-depth policy questions with cliches and platitudes borrowed from stump speeches won't cut it.
If Obama's approval rating stays where it is now in 2012 a "Trained Monkey" could defeat him.
No she can not.
Originally Posted by Stan V
If Sarah wins the primary she wins the White House if O is the opposition....I'm surprised at the negative responses.


Your post has given me a great idea-don�t know why I didn�t think of it before.

Let Sarah throw her huntin� cap in the ring.
She is always speechifying that primaries and elections are about competition and the cream rising to the Top.

So let Sarah Sledgehammer go for it.
Don�t tell me she hasn�t paid her dues and earned the right-several times over.

Let her put her Baggage up against Mittens Romneycare, Uncle Newt�s ex-wives, Rev.-I mean Gov. Huck�s tax record and so on.

Her ideas against their ideas at the so-called debates.

And her core values against�.never mind-she wins that one-hands down.
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by Stan V
If Sarah wins the primary she wins the White House if O is the opposition....I'm surprised at the negative responses.


Your post has given me a great idea-don�t know why I didn�t think of it before.

Let Sarah throw her huntin� cap in the ring.
She is always speechifying that primaries and elections are about competition and the cream rising to the Top.

So let Sarah Sledgehammer go for it.
Don�t tell me she hasn�t paid her dues and earned the right-several times over.

Let her put her Baggage up against Mittens Romneycare, Uncle Newt�s ex-wives, Rev.-I mean Gov. Huck�s tax record and so on.

Her ideas against their ideas at the so-called debates.

And her core values against�.never mind-she wins that one-hands down.


At least one light bulb in the house works.
If you want to know what Sarah is going to do, just re-read this thread. It's almost equally split here as to whether she'll run or not. In other words, half the people who've expressed an opinion are correct, we just don't know which half yet. crazy

For that reason alone I hope she does not run. This next presidential election is too important for us to put up such a polarizing individual as Sarah against Obammy and his ballot box stuffers. There are a LOT of Republicans out there that will not vote for her. We need someone who will get the majority of the Republican vote plus a large portion of the independent vote and most importantly, the dissatisfied democrat vote. Sarah is not that person. I like her and I voted for her in the Governor's race but I'd rather she remain the Conservative pundit she is. It's a perfect fit for her right now.

I feel she's a fine upstanding person, but can't see her running this country. I think it will take someone with some serious business and economic sense to get us turned around and out of debt. That person will also probably have to sacrifice a much larger salary if they took the job. They will also have to take a ton of heat by cutting programs etc that have come to be viewed as entitlements.

She's a great spokes person and says all the right things, but I hope we can do better. If it was the big O and her in the ring, I'd vote for her, but it would be mostly an expression of protest.
i cant member what i wanted to say
opps i wote it downn.
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Face it guys.
Run her for POTUS.
And its 8 for bambam ,instead of 4.

A GOP Road Map for America's Future
By PAUL D. RYAN
In tonight's State of the Union address, President Obama will declare a new found commitment to "fiscal responsibility" to cover the huge spending and debt he and congressional Democrats have run up in his first year in office. But next Monday, when he submits his actual budget, I fear it will rely on gimmickry, commissions, luke-warm spending "freezes," and paper-tiger controls to create the illusion of budget discipline. Meanwhile, he and the Democratic congressional leadership will continue pursuing a relentless expansion of government and a new culture of dependency.

America needs an alternative. For that reason, I have reintroduced my plan to tackle our nation's most pressing domestic challenges�updated to reflect the dramatic decline in our economic and fiscal condition. The plan, called A Road Map for America's Future and first introduced in 2008, is a comprehensive proposal to ensure health and retirement security for all Americans, to lift the debt burdens that are mounting every day because of Washington's reckless spending, and to promote jobs and competitiveness in the 21st century global economy.

The difference between the Road Map and the Democrats' approach could not be more clear. From the enactment of a $1 trillion "stimulus" last February to the current pass-at-all costs government takeover of health care, the Democratic leadership has followed a "progressive" strategy that will take us closer to a tipping point past which most Americans receive more in government benefits than they pay in taxes�a European-style welfare state where double-digit unemployment becomes a way of life.

Americans don't have to settle for this path of decline. There's still time to choose a different future. That is what the Road Map offers. It is based on a fundamentally different vision from the one now prevailing in Washington. It focuses the government on its proper role. It restrains government spending, and hence limits the size of government itself. It rejuvenates the vibrant market economy that made America the envy of the world. And it restores an American character rooted in individual initiative, entrepreneurship and opportunity.

Here are the principal elements:

� Health Care. The plan ensures universal access to affordable health insurance by restructuring the tax code, allowing all Americans to secure an affordable health plan that best suits their needs, and shifting the control and ownership of health coverage away from the government and employers to individuals.

Associated Press

David Gothard
.It provides a refundable tax credit�$2,300 for individuals and $5,700 for families�to purchase coverage (from another state if they so choose) and keep it with them if they move or change jobs. It establishes transparency in health-care price and quality data, so this critical information is readily available before someone needs health services.

State-based high risk pools will make affordable care available to those with pre-existing conditions. In addition to the tax credit, Medicaid will provide supplemental payments to low-income recipients so they too can obtain the health coverage of their choice and no longer be consigned to the stigmatized, sclerotic care that Medicaid has come to represent.

� Medicare. The Road Map secures Medicare for current beneficiaries, while making common-sense reforms to save this critical program. It preserves the existing Medicare program for Americans currently 55 or older so they can receive the benefits they planned for throughout their working lives.

For those under 55�as they become Medicare-eligible�it creates a Medicare payment, initially averaging $11,000, to be used to purchase a Medicare certified plan. The payment is adjusted to reflect medical inflation, and pegged to income, with low-income individuals receiving greater support. The plan also provides risk adjustment, so those with greater medical needs receive a higher payment.

The proposal also fully funds Medical Savings Accounts (MSAs) for low-income beneficiaries, while continuing to allow all beneficiaries, regardless of income, to set up tax-free MSAs. Enacted together, these reforms will help keep Medicare solvent for generations to come.

� Social Security. The Road Map preserves the existing Social Security program for those 55 or older. For those under 55, the plan offers the option of investing over one-third of their current Social Security taxes into personal retirement accounts, similar to the Thrift Savings Plan available to federal employees. This proposal includes a property right, so those who own these accounts can pass on the assets to their heirs. The plan also guarantees that individuals will not lose a dollar they contribute to their accounts, even after inflation.

The plan also makes the program permanently solvent by combining a modest adjustment in the growth of initial Social Security's benefits for higher-income individuals, with a gradual, modest increase in the retirement age.

� Tax Reform. The Road Map offers an alternative to today's needlessly complex and unfair tax code, providing the option of a simplified system that promotes work, saving and investment.

This highly simplified code fits on a postcard. It has just two rates: 10% on income up to $100,000 for joint filers and $50,000 for single filers, and 25% on taxable income above these amounts. It also includes a generous standard deduction and personal exemption (totaling $39,000 for a family of four), and no tax loopholes, deductions, credits or exclusions (except the health-care tax credit).

The proposal eliminates the alternative minimum tax. It promotes saving by eliminating taxes on interest, capital gains, and dividends. It eliminates the death tax. It replaces the corporate income tax�currently the second highest in the industrialized world�with a business consumption tax of 8.5%. This new rate is roughly half the average in the industrialized world and will put American companies and workers in a stronger position to compete in a global economy.

Even without the Democratic spending spree, our fiscal outlook is deteriorating. They are only hastening the crisis. It is not too late to take control of our fiscal and economic future. But the longer we wait, the bigger the problem becomes and the more difficult our options for solving it.

The Road Map promotes our national prosperity by limiting government's burden of spending, mandates and regulation. It ensures the opportunity for individuals to fulfill their human potential and enjoy the satisfaction of their own achievements�and it secures the distinctly American legacy of leaving the next generation better off.

Mr. Ryan, a Republican congressman from Wisconsin, is the ranking member of the Budget Committee.





dave
Yes, she does have Presidential aspirations.
Maybe, she can win a Republican nomination.
No, she would not win the Presidency.

She is too divisive and does not appeal to the moderate mainstream.

Just my opinion.
Lieutenant Colonel Allen West is the man the GOP needs to run in 2012. He puts military back in the White House, and I bet he takes well over half the black vote on his way there.
Barry couldn't measure up in a million years to this guy, not in a debate, and certainly not as a man.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
In my *opinion* she is not electable. The media has already "imprinted" on the great unwashed that she is a shrill, trailer-trash extremist and her family has not helped in this regard. Delving further into the pshyche of the masses, she does not have "command presence", then again they did elect the marxist so anything is possible. Now if life was fair and she was judged on her views, absolutely she could win, but as a whole package I'm not seeing it.
Pretty much spot on jorgeI.
What the GOP wants for pres, is a black male who's heterosexual, pro-gun but won't brag about that fact, diverse but will still scratch your eyes out, a great speaker, has smoked a little pot, and a good dresser. Oh, and the media will ok em.
Originally Posted by bea175
All jokes aside, if the Republicans take control after Nov 2nd and they turn around the mess the Obama Administration has put this country in then yes if the country stays the same or gets worse under a Republican Congress then no

I was having diner last night with a bunch of guys that are in various forms of the I.T. industry. My comment is gridlock historically i liked, and the best probably of a bunch of bad alternatives facing us in that it at least slows the annointed one down. But the question none of these politicians seem to deal with is "where are the high paying jobs."
We use to export a whole bunch of things made in america. we are very much a importer now.
One guy who is responsible for millions of i.t. type related work was talking about having to deal with india and call centers.
Another guy working at O'Reilly/Checkers was talking about people that had Phd degrees applying for jobs at minimum wage.
We are suffering through one of many "bubbles" that didn't have to be, real estate. I blame democrats for the majority of this, starting with carter. 400 and 500 dollar a month utility bills are common in arizona, and two people working on minimu wage jobs barely allows you to keep a roof over your head and pay for food. I am very afraid recovery is going to be a long time coming, and not in the form it has in the past.
Republicans will not have enough votes in the senate to override a veto. And I am not sure the annointed one will pull a clinton and move to the center.
What I am afraid i see is a long series of bumps and grinds with nobody really willing or able to change the path of the titanic and avoid the ultimate iceberg.
When you have over two thousand people apply for minimum wage jobs at mcdonalds which recently happen here, things are not good.
I don't care how much the msm likes to talk about a recovering economy.
And for people like me, close to retirement age, the boomers, those entitlement programs like social security/medicare maybe all a lot of people are going to have. They sure are not going to go buy a new 30k g.m. truck.
I think a LOT of people are living check to check and rolling the credit card month to month at those nice 30% interest rates.
I love palin, but it ain't in the cards.
I don't think she can get the nomination anyway. The primary will be front loaded with left leaning and middle of the road states that normally don't have a strong (R) base to begin with yet they will pick the candidate with just a few states.
Originally Posted by watch4bear
What the GOP wants for pres, is a black male who's heterosexual, pro-gun but won't brag about that fact, diverse but will still scratch your eyes out, a great speaker, has smoked a little pot, and a good dresser. Oh, and the media will ok em.


You mean this guy?

[Linked Image]
Originally Posted by watch4bear
What the GOP wants for pres, is a black male who's heterosexual, pro-gun but won't brag about that fact, diverse but will still scratch your eyes out, a great speaker, has smoked a little pot, and a good dresser. Oh, and the media will ok em.


Remember Alan Keyes? Black, heterosexual, conservative, Republican, former diplomat, pro-gun, etc.

He has run for the Republican nomination and not been a contender.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
Originally Posted by hatari
She's not running. She has all the influence and power she wants as a pundit and as a speaker for hire. Lots of cash, lots of love, few headaches.


Exactly. She is making a fortune. Bristol is becoming a celebrity.

Sarah looks well rested; she looks rich.. Her kids are doing well. She needs to stay the course.

Sarah has become more successful than most libs could ever dream. She is living the American dream.
Originally Posted by AlaskaFE
If you want to know what Sarah is going to do, just re-read this thread. It's almost equally split here as to whether she'll run or not. In other words, half the people who've expressed an opinion are correct, we just don't know which half yet. crazy

For that reason alone I hope she does not run. This next presidential election is too important for us to put up such a polarizing individual as Sarah against Obammy and his ballot box stuffers. There are a LOT of Republicans out there that will not vote for her. We need someone who will get the majority of the Republican vote plus a large portion of the independent vote and most importantly, the dissatisfied democrat vote. Sarah is not that person. I like her and I voted for her in the Governor's race but I'd rather she remain the Conservative pundit she is. It's a perfect fit for her right now.




couldn't have said it better, excellent post
I agree with Jorge. I'm no fan, but underestimate her at your peril.

If former McCain staffers are to be believed, she had an extreme lack of insight that makes her a non-starter with me. A heart in the right place is one thing, but the next time I visit my neurosurgeon I think I'll stick to his curriculum vitae rather than how many awe shucks homilies he can spout.
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by jorgeI
In my *opinion* she is not electable. The media has already "imprinted" on the great unwashed that she is a shrill, trailer-trash extremist and her family has not helped in this regard. Delving further into the pshyche of the masses, she does not have "command presence", then again they did elect the marxist so anything is possible. Now if life was fair and she was judged on her views, absolutely she could win, but as a whole package I'm not seeing it.



Life is not Fair.
�Fair� is where you go to ride on rides-eat cotton candy-and step in monkey poop.

Much of what you say about the great unwashed is true-but Sarah has made tremendous progress in the past year.
Just wait until next year-you ain�t see nothing yet.
So far she has made all the right moves-zilch wrong ones.

What has her family done to hurt her?
Dancing With the Stars plays to the great unwashed.
They ain�t gonna watch the Palins on FOX NEWS-so you have to go to the other Fox channel.
And I am betting that �Sarah Palin's Alaska� which starts five days after the election will really impress a lot of folks. Record ratings.
I say this because everything she does always turns out Bigger and Better.
Like all the elections she has been part of.

Uncle Karl-Good Norwegian that he is-couldn�t be more wrong.
Palin�s Plan is right out of the Reagan Playbook.
You know-that Cowboy who hosted all those TV specials and did all those grade B movies.
And pulled off two Landslide National Elections.


I think you missed my point slightly, neither her nor her family have done anything egregious, but that does not matter to the media. The posts like djs are a clear indication of the angle they will pursue politically; "she's to far to the right to appeal to the mainstream" which is of course HORSESHIT. She's about as "Regular American values" as it gets and I certainly would vote for her. But the media will take her personal family life for starters and turn it into a Jerry Springer circus that the great unwashed will buy into. Think of it this way; why ON EARTH would anybody ever vote democrap much less for a marxist with zero experience unless they were
A. True socialists and marxists who want cradle-to-grave government handouts
B. Idiots duped by a media who purposely hid obama's associations with known communists, marxists and left wing wackos

There are no other choices. You voted democrap and you are either a closet socialist or a moron and the Media will convince them that Palin is a right-wing unsophisticated hayseed that couldn't possibly be president.
Originally Posted by NathanL
Originally Posted by watch4bear
What the GOP wants for pres, is a black male who's heterosexual, pro-gun but won't brag about that fact, diverse but will still scratch your eyes out, a great speaker, has smoked a little pot, and a good dresser. Oh, and the media will ok em.


You mean this guy?

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maybe

but I was thinking more this guy

Originally Posted by Calvin
Originally Posted by hatari
She's not running. She has all the influence and power she wants as a pundit and as a speaker for hire. Lots of cash, lots of love, few headaches.


Exactly. She is making a fortune. Bristol is becoming a celebrity.

Sarah looks well rested; she looks rich.. Her kids are doing well. She needs to stay the course.

Sarah has become more successful than most libs could ever dream. She is living the American dream.


Good points,Calvin.
btw guys well worth the listen, AW doesn't speak until the end, but what he says folks need to hear imo
Randy, West put a gun to a terrorists head; libbys would chew there arms off in protest.
Originally Posted by djs
Originally Posted by watch4bear
What the GOP wants for pres, is a black male who's heterosexual, pro-gun but won't brag about that fact, diverse but will still scratch your eyes out, a great speaker, has smoked a little pot, and a good dresser. Oh, and the media will ok em.


Remember Alan Keyes? Black, heterosexual, conservative, Republican, former diplomat, pro-gun, etc.

He has run for the Republican nomination and not been a contender.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes


I've met Alan Keyes and talked with him and you are right. No black Republican of Alan's stature will EVER be nominated by Republicans for president.
Originally Posted by derby_dude
I honestly do not know but she probably stands a better chance than the "Old Boys Club" of probable Republican candidates.

For Romney it's over, probably for Huckabee as well. I don't think Gingrich would do very well either. I was listening to Killmee (sp?) and Friends on Fox radio this morning and they think she is probably the best bet but probably can't beat him either.

I think whether she gets and accepts the nomination and bests Obama will all depend on tomorrow and what the Republicans do in Congress in the next two years. If the "Old Boys Club" of the Republican Party retains leadership of Congress and compromises with Obama on everything to advance Obama's agenda than it's all over for the Republicans.

What do you all think?
We need a candidate who actually understands the problems facing our nation, particularly someone who understands the central role played by the Federal Reserve and the international banking cartel in causing those problems. Short of that, we're screwed.
She needs to work on her accent. No offense intended.
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I think you missed my point slightly, neither her nor her family have done anything egregious, but that does not matter to the media. The posts like djs are a clear indication of the angle they will pursue politically; "she's to far to the right to appeal to the mainstream" which is of course HORSESHIT. She's about as "Regular American values" as it gets and I certainly would vote for her. But the media will take her personal family life for starters and turn it into a Jerry Springer circus that the great unwashed will buy into. Think of it this way; why ON EARTH would anybody ever vote democrap much less for a marxist with zero experience unless they were
A. True socialists and marxists who want cradle-to-grave government handouts
B. Idiots duped by a media who purposely hid obama's associations with known communists, marxists and left wing wackos

There are no other choices. You voted democrap and you are either a closet socialist or a moron and the Media will convince them that Palin is a right-wing unsophisticated hayseed that couldn't possibly be president.[/quote]


I do not disagree with you about what Sarah will be up against.
More of the same.

My point is that Sarah is doing quite well against the LS Media.
Every time they dismiss Palin-she gains points.
Their old crap ain�t working like the good old days in 2008.
And even then-dumped into her first National contest-she gained ground.

Palin made the point the other day-that every race she has every been in-she was the underdog and badly underestimated.

As I posted before-let her go for it. Let her prove up. Sarah has a pretty good record of doing just that.

I see no reason that the Little OL� Hockey Mom from Wasilla should step outa the Ring and forfeit the fight with the record she has.

Originally Posted by AlaskaFE
If you want to know what Sarah is going to do, just re-read this thread. It's almost equally split here as to whether she'll run or not. In other words, half the people who've expressed an opinion are correct, we just don't know which half yet. crazy

For that reason alone I hope she does not run. This next presidential election is too important for us to put up such a polarizing individual as Sarah against Obammy and his ballot box stuffers. There are a LOT of Republicans out there that will not vote for her. We need someone who will get the majority of the Republican vote plus a large portion of the independent vote and most importantly, the dissatisfied democrat vote. Sarah is not that person. I like her and I voted for her in the Governor's race but I'd rather she remain the Conservative pundit she is. It's a perfect fit for her right now.



That's the key right there.

As much as I like her, she doesn't fit the bill at this point in time.
Originally Posted by trouthunterdj
The GOP needs a "new face". The problem with McCain, Dole, ect is that the are old, look old, talk old.....

What about John Thune or someone like him?



ddj


I think Thune would be an excellent choice. He comes off as smart, reasonable, and in no way objectionable. I was very impressed with his talking head stints during the Florida recounts.

He is exactly the kind of non-polarizing candidate the GOP needs to send Obammy back to Chi-town or Kenya or wherever. It also seems he's a pretty good conservative that comes across more as a moderate, which should help as well.
Originally Posted by ltppowell
She needs to work on her accent. No offense intended.
Yeah, she sounds like she's from North Dakota. Remember "Fargo"? grin
I like her a lot, but she sounds like english is her second language and I can't place her first.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by derby_dude
I honestly do not know but she probably stands a better chance than the "Old Boys Club" of probable Republican candidates.

For Romney it's over, probably for Huckabee as well. I don't think Gingrich would do very well either. I was listening to Killmee (sp?) and Friends on Fox radio this morning and they think she is probably the best bet but probably can't beat him either.

I think whether she gets and accepts the nomination and bests Obama will all depend on tomorrow and what the Republicans do in Congress in the next two years. If the "Old Boys Club" of the Republican Party retains leadership of Congress and compromises with Obama on everything to advance Obama's agenda than it's all over for the Republicans.

What do you all think?
We need a candidate who actually understands the problems facing our nation, particularly someone who understands the central role played by the Federal Reserve and the international banking cartel in causing those problems. Short of that, we're screwed.


Alan Keyes understood and he couldn't get nominated so we are screwed.
Oliver North has a better chance, IMO, and he has skeletons... whistle
Probably not; but it depends on what happens with the economy in the next two years. Sad to say, but a lot of voter "outrage" will vanish if things turn around.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Democrats didn't even run Obama in 2012.

I think he's had enough of the job, anyway.
Originally Posted by Steve
Honestly, If it's Palin it's still Obama's to lose. I'm hoping for a dark horse, too. Paul Ryan?


Paul Ryan voted for the bank bailout.

If the country elects him,.it'll get what it deserves,...yet again.
Originally Posted by 2legit2quit
Originally Posted by AlaskaFE
If you want to know what Sarah is going to do, just re-read this thread. It's almost equally split here as to whether she'll run or not. In other words, half the people who've expressed an opinion are correct, we just don't know which half yet. crazy

For that reason alone I hope she does not run. This next presidential election is too important for us to put up such a polarizing individual as Sarah against Obammy and his ballot box stuffers. There are a LOT of Republicans out there that will not vote for her. We need someone who will get the majority of the Republican vote plus a large portion of the independent vote and most importantly, the dissatisfied democrat vote. Sarah is not that person. I like her and I voted for her in the Governor's race but I'd rather she remain the Conservative pundit she is. It's a perfect fit for her right now.



couldn't have said it better, excellent post


I see the flip side. The members of this site are overwhelmingly convservative as compared to the rest of the nation. If 50% of the "base" doesn't think she is a viable candidate - then she isn't a viable candidate.
Originally Posted by AlaskaFE
If you want to know what Sarah is going to do, just re-read this thread. It's almost equally split here as to whether she'll run or not. In other words, half the people who've expressed an opinion are correct, we just don't know which half yet. crazy

For that reason alone I hope she does not run. This next presidential election is too important for us to put up such a polarizing individual as Sarah against Obammy and his ballot box stuffers. There are a LOT of Republicans out there that will not vote for her.


AGAINST Obama or Clinton ALL the Republicans will vote for her even if their own choice didn�t make the cut.



We need someone who will get the majority of the Republican vote plus a large portion of the independent vote and most importantly, the dissatisfied democrat vote.



YOU mean like the Tea Party?
They are the ones that now own the groups you named.
Who is the closest thing to a Leader the Tea Party has?


Sarah is not that person. I like her and I voted for her in the Governor's race but I'd rather she remain the Conservative pundit she is. It's a perfect fit for her right now.


YEAH BUT, the point is that Sarah will out grow/has out grown her present role.
I repeat-Sarah has earned the right to compete-more so that any other names I see posted here.



If Sarah is to run, the fireworks during the primary will be impressive.
Not no...but HELL NO!
Which is which? I like Palin a lot & believe she would make a president in the future. I hope she remains a national spokesperson for the Tea Party & the right. She needs to run for Congress or perhaps be chosen for a cabinet position IF a Republican wins the presidency. At this time none of the Republican candidates seem to generate charisma. One can only hope out of the ashes a Phoenix rises.
.........No
Originally Posted by Bristoe
� Paul Ryan voted for the bank bailout.

If the country elects him, it'll get what it deserves,...yet again.

Heaven forbid that we get what we deserve!

Let's hope that we get what the Constitution says that we're supposed to have.
Originally Posted by derby_dude
The fly-in-the-ointment Tim is this, is the Republican "Old Boys Club" going to go alone with Obama or gridlock and say no more.

If the Republican "Old Boys Club" goes along with the Obama agenda then it's all over for the Republican Party. The Tea Party will then have to become an actual political party.

The "Old Boys Club" keeps saying we don't understand we have to meet Obama half way and I say no way Spud. I want to crush the Obama Regime and the Democrats with constitutional government.



Derby Dude....it probably escaped your notice but the republicans voted against Obama's agenda already, almost to a man. after the tsunami tomorrow, why would they be any more cooperative than they were when they were in the minority?

you read way too much into boilerplate statements that we will work with him if he does what we want....well, of course they would if he did but he won't.
A Palin vs Obama race would set new records for the most ugly, vulgar and corrupt election in history.


The only way Mrs. Palin could be elected to high office is if she ran under BHO and the Republicans sent up Ron Paul.
I don't think she could. I'm in agreement with many of the other posts here - she's currently fulfilling a role that she is perfect at, and I'm sure glad she's there doing it, because nobody else really can from what I've seen.

I haven't seen alot of people commenting about Pawlenty here, but I think he will be one of the front-runners. What I would really like to see happen, and think it may:

Pawlenty - Pres Candidate
Lt. Col Allen West - VP Candidate
Originally Posted by Steve_NO
Originally Posted by derby_dude
The fly-in-the-ointment Tim is this, is the Republican "Old Boys Club" going to go alone with Obama or gridlock and say no more.

If the Republican "Old Boys Club" goes along with the Obama agenda then it's all over for the Republican Party. The Tea Party will then have to become an actual political party.

The "Old Boys Club" keeps saying we don't understand we have to meet Obama half way and I say no way Spud. I want to crush the Obama Regime and the Democrats with constitutional government.



Derby Dude....it probably escaped your notice but the republicans voted against Obama's agenda already, almost to a man. after the tsunami tomorrow, why would they be any more cooperative than they were when they were in the minority?

you read way too much into boilerplate statements that we will work with him if he does what we want....well, of course they would if he did but he won't.


Seeing as how you are reasonable civil for you I'll answer.

It did not escape my noticed that the Republicans did not vote for Obamacare. Voting for or against was easy when you have no power.

Lets see what happens when the Republicans take over Congress tomorrow. Lets see what happens when the Democrats start denigrating Republicans as the party of no. Lets see what happens when the Republican approval ratings gets down to 20%. The leadership is already telling the Tea Party candidates that they will have to learn to compromise. If the Republicans man up and stand tall then I'll be impressed but I doubt they will they never have before.
Susan Smith should be able to beat Obama, the fact that there is actually a person alive that can be questionable running against him is telling.
Ya need tuh talk nice bout Nordakota, yew neffer no ven you iss gunna need Ole and Sven's vote, ya know. Uff-dah. Besites vee hope to set a ferry good ekzample tomorrow in dee elekshun. ;-{>
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Susan Smith should be able to beat Obama, the fact that there is actually a person alive that can be questionable running against him is telling.


Exactly. Zealots aside, how can anyone think the current Liar-n-Chief is even a option?

I'll vote for a Dem when hell freezes over or am lobotomized. Whichever comes first.

Sarah? If she was up to bat I'd vote for her, but think she needs to either run the RNC or continue what she is doing.....
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas


The only way Mrs. Palin could be elected to high office is if she ran under BHO and the Republicans sent up Ron Paul.


Hark...........the political sage from the Left Coast speaks!!

Gee willikers Mr. Spanokopitas, I thought Sarah would make an excellent President, but now you've ruined my day.......(sobbing out loud).

You're so smart and self assured about all this political stuff....ya' know?

Where did you get your expertise anyhow?

I wish I knew as much as you do about what it takes to be elected President.

I kinda thought that being the former Governor of Alaska with a track record of cutting costs and fighting corruption in government were better credentials than a "community organizer".........ahh but what do I know?

You da' man when it comes to all this election stuff Spanky........keep up the good work!
Originally Posted by watch4bear
Randy, West put a gun to a terrorists head; libbys would chew there arms off in protest.


I know he did w4bear, and what's even more impressive to me, he said he'd do it again if it meant saving lives of his troops.

he effectively ended his military career, by standing for what he believed in, the care and well being of the troops in his charge.

I'm at the point that I believe we NEED men and women that put country first, and their own political ambitions second. It'd be a refreshing change.

did you listen to his response on terroism w4bear? it ain't gonna win any Muslim votes, but imo he spoke the truth. If there's men out there like that, I say it's our duty to see that they're elected.

I'm not interested in Keith Olbermann's spin on the subject.
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas


The only way Mrs. Palin could be elected to high office is if she ran under BHO and the Republicans sent up Ron Paul.


Looks like Sarah can count on RNC Chairman Michael Steele when she runs:

�These Republican leaders who don�t put their names in print but make comments in shadows need to shut up,� Steele told American Morning�s John Roberts Monday. �We�re focused on winning elections tomorrow night. We�re not focused on 2012.�
Steele�s comments were in reference to a Politico article out Monday in which a string of unnamed Republicans, feeling Palin could not be a viable presidential contender, said it will be the party�s goal to prevent her from running in 2012.
Other establishment Republicans have also gone on the record to criticize the former Alaska governor � most recently Karl Rove, who last week said Palin lacks the gravitas to sit in the oval office.

�If she goes through the process and the Republican primary voters vote for her, absolutely I would be happy,� said Steele. �Why wouldn�t I be?�

That�s what I said: Let Sarah throw her huntin� cap in the ring.
What are all you Nattering Nabobs of Palin Negativity so scared of?
Your Hero can�t beat her?
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I'm at the point that I believe we NEED men and women that put country first, and their own political ambitions second. It'd be a refreshing change.



The country has incrementally shifted far left. To get it back, even center right, that change too, will have to be in small increments . Maybe once bammy's tax increases come into play, or something like another terrorist attack, that might change; but without folks suffering a bit, it'll be a while before they'll accept man type politicians. Just look at the [bleep] type democrats running round washington.
Originally Posted by derby_dude
I honestly do not know but she probably stands a better chance than the "Old Boys Club" of probable Republican candidates.

For Romney it's over, probably for Huckabee as well. I don't think Gingrich would do very well either. I was listening to Killmee (sp?) and Friends on Fox radio this morning and they think she is probably the best bet but probably can't beat him either.

I think whether she gets and accepts the nomination and bests Obama will all depend on tomorrow and what the Republicans do in Congress in the next two years. If the "Old Boys Club" of the Republican Party retains leadership of Congress and compromises with Obama on everything to advance Obama's agenda than it's all over for the Republicans.

What do you all think?


Not a chance... frown

A big 2010 win for the R's will lead to voter dissatisfaction due to little or no economic improvement under the new T-Party influence. Obama will blame the T-Party and ride that horse back to the WH in 2012...sadly. frown

We're doomed... eek
Originally Posted by W7ACT
If Obama's approval rating stays where it is now in 2012 a "Trained Monkey" could defeat him.


Not even close, and it's thinking like this that will put Obama back in the White House in 2012. If Obama were running today he'd still get elected, even given how much he's screwed up. I got into a similar discussion here three years ago when it was Hillary vs. Obama in the primary. I made the point that we wanted Hillary to win the democratic primary because she was the least electable of the two. I got argued down that we wanted Obama nominated because "the U.S. won't elect a black man president". Well, here it is three years later and look what we're into. I personally don't care that he's black, I care that he's a socialist thug. Hillary could not have won a general election, Obama could and even though I did not like McCain he would have been much preferable to what we have now.

Right now I'm not seeing anyone capable of defeating Obama in sight. I love Sarah Palin but I agree with Jorge's assessment, she's unelectable. She's doing great at what's she's doing now, being a cheerleader and mobilizing people. If we run her against Obama then get ready for four more years of him.

The only possible maybe republican candidate I see on the horizon is Christie from New Jersey.
I like Sarah also, but I don't believe she's electable. Resigning the governorship will hurt her.

How about a Marco Rubio/Eric Cantor ticket. That would draw the Hispanic and Jewish vote to the Republican side, something we've been sadly lacking in the past.
I only read half the thread, so please pardon if somebody said this already.

A few points. Obama WILL be the Dem nominee unless some dickweasel assassinates him. Get real. The Dems are not above sacrificing one of their own for the good of the "cause". Sorry about the tinfoil stuff. Palin's greatest challenge will be overcoming the Republican machine she seems so desperately to want to be a part of. If they don't destroy her in the primaries, she could beat Obama today. Third, the economy ain't currently tanking. It is slowly gaining. There are lots of people out of work though, and that ain't getting better. They vote. If the economy keeps coming around or even gains a bit more momentum, then the election will turn probably not on who the Reps run against the National Lawn Jockey, but on which party is able to steal the credit from the other for the perceived turnaround. This is assuming the Reps make a significant gain in tomorrow's elections.

I'm not sure Palin would make a good President. I think she would definitely be successful as a VP. This latter has nothing to do with the original question though.
Palin's negatives are too high to win high federal office. Much more so than when she was running with McCain. Sorry.
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Palin's negatives are too high to win high federal office. Much more so than when she was running with McCain. Sorry.
GFY. Sorry, not sorry.
Put not yer treasure, where moth nor rust can decay..

Don't put yer eggs in a bad basket.

She's an energy sink. A very bad idea.
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Put not yer treasure, where moth nor rust can decay..

Don't put yer eggs in a bad basket.

She's an energy sink. A very bad idea.


You mean kind of like you did voting for Obama?
You voted for Obama. By definition, you are either an idiot or a traitor. Which is it?
Aside from hunting today,the excitement of today's elections has me unable to sleep,as well.
Originally Posted by isaac
Aside from hunting today,the excitement of today's elections has me unable to sleep,as well.


Yep, I think it is safe to say, that Nancy Pelosi is soon going to be OUT OF A JOB (as Speaker of the House), by tomorrow evening..
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Palin's negatives are too high to win high federal office. Much more so than when she was running with McCain. Sorry.


And your "negatives" here on the Campfire are so high that your posts should be flagged with a **dumb [bleep]** symbol to alert members to use caution before reading them.

If ya' wanna' see "negatives".........watch what happens to your liberal, Obama loving, Democraps today.

You schithead!!

Originally Posted by ColeYounger
Palin's greatest challenge will be overcoming the Republican machine she seems so desperately to want to be a part of. If they don't destroy her in the primaries, she could beat Obama today.


What orifice did you pull this from?

Palin wants to be part of the machine that wants to destroy her?

LMAO!

I would not want to see Mrs Palin nominated and would would work to see that she does not get the nomination. This is not to say that I do not agree with many of her political opinions and if nominated I would vote for her.

Simply put she is much more valuable to the Conservative cause as a talking head. And she would have no chance of defeating any Democrat. She would make an excellent DNC Chair.

I believe I offered this bet before with no takers:

$100.00 says she does not seek the nomination.
$100.00 says if she does run she will not be nominated.
$100.00 says that if she does run she will not be elected.

These bets are for the 2012 US Presidential election. This is an all or nothing deal you must take all the bets. Settlement will be after the results of the 2012 Presidential election are certfied.

Any takers?
The whole thing is conflicted. There are those in the Rep party who want to embrace her and her popularity and use her/it. She is conforming enough to the mainstream to satisfy a lot of the movers and shakers. She is "mavericky" enough to scare some of the other movers and shakers. I don't think you'll get past the primaries without some heavy-duty support.
I think she hammers the old boys that are gonna run for President....unless we get new blood (Christie) Palin is in the hunt. Despite what the Roves/Lotts have to say, she ain't one of them.
Originally Posted by Stan V
I think she hammers the old boys that are gonna run for President....unless we get new blood (Christie) Palin is in the hunt. Despite what the Roves/Lotts have to say, she ain't one of them.
I agree she is in the hunt, but so are a lot of people, and a true conservative, of which she is kind of...has the deck stacked against him/her at the primary level. My point is that should she run, I think she has a much better chance in the general election than she does in the primaries. If she can get past them, she would beat the Muslim at this point. Who knows what will happen in two years though. Look at Bush I's approval rating a scant year before The First Black President beat him.
I would vote for Palin over any of the usual Rep suspects that I have heard floated.

She would be foolish to enter any primary. She rose from obscurity 2+ years ago to a level of wealth and notoriety few ever obtain.

She can ride that horse for quite awhile longer further enriching herself and enjoying the adulation of her claque. Also she will be providing a valuable service to the Conservative cause.

You go girl!
It takes a rare person to resist the siren call of the Presidency if it is within their grasp, or seemingly so.
Originally Posted by ColeYounger
I would vote for Palin over any of the usual Rep suspects that I have heard floated.


me 2
She will not run!!Make 20 times the cash with the speech thing .Why you think she quit the other job? Cash!!
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

I would not want to see Mrs Palin nominated and would would work to see that she does not get the nomination. This is not to say that I do not agree with many of her political opinions and if nominated I would vote for her.

Simply put she is much more valuable to the Conservative cause as a talking head. And she would have no chance of defeating any Democrat. She would make an excellent DNC Chair.

I believe I offered this bet before with no takers:

$100.00 says she does not seek the nomination.
$100.00 says if she does run she will not be nominated.
$100.00 says that if she does run she will not be elected.

These bets are for the 2012 US Presidential election. This is an all or nothing deal you must take all the bets. Settlement will be after the results of the 2012 Presidential election are certfied.

Any takers?


She might wait til 2016.
I'd take your bet but I alraeady have a similar one with Trips.

BTW, where is Trips? Anybody seen him last few days?

Originally Posted by ColeYounger
I only read half the thread, so please pardon if somebody said this already.

A few points. Obama WILL be the Dem nominee unless some dickweasel assassinates him. Get real. The Dems are not above sacrificing one of their own for the good of the "cause". Sorry about the tinfoil stuff. Palin's greatest challenge will be overcoming the Republican machine she seems so desperately to want to be a part of. If they don't destroy her in the primaries, she could beat Obama today. Third, the economy ain't currently tanking. It is slowly gaining. There are lots of people out of work though, and that ain't getting better. They vote. If the economy keeps coming around or even gains a bit more momentum, then the election will turn probably not on who the Reps run against the National Lawn Jockey, but on which party is able to steal the credit from the other for the perceived turnaround. This is assuming the Reps make a significant gain in tomorrow's elections.

I'm not sure Palin would make a good President. I think she would definitely be successful as a VP. This latter has nothing to do with the original question though.



The original question posed is that IF Sarah gets the nomination.

I posted this in the first half of the thread:

Let Sarah throw her huntin� cap in the ring.
She is always speechifying that primaries and elections are about competition and the cream rising to the Top.

So let Sarah Sledgehammer go for it.
Don�t tell me she hasn�t paid her dues-several times over.

Let her put her Baggage up against Mittens Romneycare, Uncle Newt�s ex-wives, Rev.-I mean Gov. Huck�s tax record and so on.

Her ideas against their ideas at the so-called debates.

And her core values against�.never mind-she wins that one-hands down.

And later I asked why so many on this thread don�t want Sarah to even try.
Are they afraid that their own Hero will lose to her?
I see no reason that the Little OL� Hockey Mom from Wasilla should step outa the Ring and forfeit the fight with the record she has.

And that includes her record on tearing up the Republican Machine-she could care less.
Sarah is fearless and will take anyone-any Machine that doesn�t hold with her core values.
Originally Posted by Archerhunter
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

I would not want to see Mrs Palin nominated and would would work to see that she does not get the nomination. This is not to say that I do not agree with many of her political opinions and if nominated I would vote for her.

Simply put she is much more valuable to the Conservative cause as a talking head. And she would have no chance of defeating any Democrat. She would make an excellent DNC Chair.

I believe I offered this bet before with no takers:

$100.00 says she does not seek the nomination.
$100.00 says if she does run she will not be nominated.
$100.00 says that if she does run she will not be elected.

These bets are for the 2012 US Presidential election. This is an all or nothing deal you must take all the bets. Settlement will be after the results of the 2012 Presidential election are certfied.

Any takers?


She might wait til 2016.
I'd take your bet but I alraeady have a similar one with Trips.

BTW, where is Trips? Anybody seen him last few days?



2016 is too far out to even guess but if she is in the hunt I'd give her consideration. By that time she should have many millions to spend on a campaign.

If she is really serious about a Presidential bid she must run and get elected to some national office in some state and complete her term with a strong Conservative record.
Obama is NOT going to be easy to knock off in 2012. Even if Obama was impeached and convicted he would get the nomination and win. We all know that Obama is an illegal president and he is still president.

It will take an extraordinary extra special Republican to knock off Obama in 2012 and I don't see one on the horizon.


I'll say again, I believe little o will have NO limelight left by the time the dem nomination process begins and he'll quietly slink off into the shadows. The exceeding greatness of his nothingness will surely have fully manifested by then.

If that happens Team D will put up the beasty bitch and I wouldn't be surprised if Team R answers with the lovely Alaskan mama griz.

It's a very real possibility.

I agree Spano, I'd like to see Sarah with more experience but not sure it's really necessary. She's a freight train gaining momentum daily. At the same time the liberal left and lefty media loose momentum daily. Teeter totter effect. Up, up, up she goes.

Originally Posted by Archerhunter

I'll say again, I believe little o will have NO limelight left by the time the dem nomination process begins and he'll quietly slink off into the shadows. The exceeding greatness of his nothingness will surely have fully manifested by then.

If that happens Team D will put up the beasty bitch and I wouldn't be surprised if Team R answers with the lovely Alaskan mama griz.

It's a very real possibility.

I agree Spano, I'd like to see Sarah with more experience but not sure it's really necessary. She's a freight train gaining momentum daily. At the same time the liberal left and lefty media loose momentum daily. Teeter totter effect. Up, up, up she goes.



Optimism, hopefully, will get you everything.

Me, I'm a firm believer that Murphy was an optimist.
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Can Palin beat Obama in 2012 if she gets the nomination?

Asking NOW how qualified someone WILL BE LATER is a lot like the guy asking the doctor �

"Will I be able to play the piano when you get this cast off my arm?"

"Yes, of course you can."

"Great! I never could before!"
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

I would not want to see Mrs Palin nominated and would would work to see that she does not get the nomination. This is not to say that I do not agree with many of her political opinions and if nominated I would vote for her.



Yeah Spanky..........we got ya' the first thousand times you said it!!

BTW, what happened to adressing Sarah Palin as "perky"?

Did you finally wake up and realize how trite that was begining to sound?

Now all you have to do is comprehend what Sarah Palin stands for and realize that it has little or nothing to do with winning a stupid election.

It's all about flushing all the stiff necked, inside the beltway, handshake across the asile, RINOS out of the system and allowing a starry eyed, dyed in the wool Conservative with middle American values like Sarah Palin represent our party for once.

As someone once said........no matter how many times the Democrats got their azz kicked, they continued to run far left liberals for office until they finally got one elected to the Presidency.

Why shouldn't we do the same with Conservatives??

And for that matter, why shouldn't we do the same with "Mrs. Palin"???
Sure she can, the left is doing what they are doing to her because she can. She has to be gotten rid off. As for Lt.Col West, I have no problem voting for him in a NYC second. And yea I have no problem putting a gun to terrorist heads, and I would go one further on that the trigger will be pulled. The left tells us which one of our guys they fear and then take out, just look at what happened to George Allen. Now if there was real justice, Lt. Col West would not be running for congress, he would be a Lt. General now running the War in Afghanistan and he would be crushing the enemy. But he is running for Congress and with luck will be in the Congress you don't always get every thing you want.
Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Palin's negatives are too high to win high federal office. Much more so than when she was running with McCain. Sorry.


LOL there just too high for a closet lefty to not try to make them a real issue.
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

I would not want to see Mrs Palin nominated and would would work to see that she does not get the nomination. This is not to say that I do not agree with many of her political opinions and if nominated I would vote for her.

Simply put she is much more valuable to the Conservative cause as a talking head. And she would have no chance of defeating any Democrat. She would make an excellent DNC Chair.

I believe I offered this bet before with no takers:

$100.00 says she does not seek the nomination.
$100.00 says if she does run she will not be nominated.
$100.00 says that if she does run she will not be elected.

These bets are for the 2012 US Presidential election. This is an all or nothing deal you must take all the bets. Settlement will be after the results of the 2012 Presidential election are certfied.

Any takers?



I hope not.
The first $100 is OK maybe 50:50 maybe even more in my favor betting on Palin.
The second $100 is a sucker bet-if there are 10 candidates-there are 9 ways you can win and only one way I can win.
To bet the third $100 I have to bet against the incumbent-what odds are you giving?


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Will Obama be the Demo'rat candidate for President in 2012?

and

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� Will Newly Bourne graduate summa cvm laude from Harvard twenty-two years after the midwife whacks him on his butt?

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Originally Posted by derby_dude

It will take an extraordinary extra special Republican to knock off Obama in 2012 and I don't see one on the horizon.


I do; Lieutenant Colonel Allen West. He would take at least 50% or more of the 'hope/change' idiot vote from Barry.
The question is, will he run, and will the party back him?
This nation deserved someone like West as our first black president, not what we wound up with.
The chances that Palin will run for anything are small. She is doing a great job running around the country fanning the flames of fear and hate, damn fine cheerleader!

The other problem with her running and getting elected for anything is she would have to stay in one spot and do her job. Fat chance of that happening! All of the noise coming from Palin is just noise with out any solutions or the fortitude to work hard enough at a issue long enough to see it through. Sarah has a short attention span.
Originally Posted by Archerhunter

I'll say again, I believe little o will have NO limelight left by the time the dem nomination process begins and he'll quietly slink off into the shadows. The exceeding greatness of his nothingness will surely have fully manifested by then.

If that happens Team D will put up the beasty bitch and I wouldn't be surprised if Team R answers with the lovely Alaskan mama griz.

It's a very real possibility.

I agree Spano, I'd like to see Sarah with more experience but not sure it's really necessary. She's a freight train gaining momentum daily. At the same time the liberal left and lefty media loose momentum daily. Teeter totter effect. Up, up, up she goes.




Don't you mean the Alaskan Sow? No such think as a mama griz.
She sure dismembered your democrats though. That makes her a saint in my book lol
Yes she did! I still think she did a great job for her first 12-15 months and then she got star struck and lost her back bone. But she sure made lots of money! She likes her cash way too much to run.
Is there a tear in your beer grin
Originally Posted by ColeYounger
You voted for Obama. By definition, you are either an idiot or a traitor. Which is it?


He's a "Burner",...that's all,.....

Check out how "Party Line" and Predictable Mama Griz REALLY is

Go Tom.

Oh JO,....eat chit, wash your mouth out with a Glock

Thanks,

GTC

Sarah Sticks Her Neck Out
Once Again, Principle Before Party

ABC News -- November 1

Sarah Palin Endorses Third Party Gubernatorial Candidate Tom Tancredo

Sarah Palin has once again bucked the Republican party and endorsed Tom Tancredo, the former GOP congressman-turned-American Constitution Party candidate who earned the ire of the establishment by waging his own third party campaign.
Palin taped a recorded message for Tancredo, though she didn't endorse him on Facebook and Twitter, as she normally does.
"Tom is the right man for the job and he'll fight for lower taxes," Palin said. "He'll stop growing government and start growing the economy, and we know he'll continue to work to end illegal immigration."
Listen to the recording HERE.
Tancredo has also been endorsed by another Republican, Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota.
The former congressman has made immigration the central feature of his campaign, arguing for tougher measures against illegal immigration and an Arizona-style law.
Republicans blame him for splitting the vote and tampering the chances of GOP candidate Dan Maes, who refused to drop out of the race despite Tancredo's repeated calls.


Originally Posted by watch4bear
Is there a tear in your beer grin


Fart,....in his head
Originally Posted by northwestalaska
Originally Posted by Archerhunter

I'll say again, I believe little o will have NO limelight left by the time the dem nomination process begins and he'll quietly slink off into the shadows. The exceeding greatness of his nothingness will surely have fully manifested by then.

If that happens Team D will put up the beasty bitch and I wouldn't be surprised if Team R answers with the lovely Alaskan mama griz.

It's a very real possibility.

I agree Spano, I'd like to see Sarah with more experience but not sure it's really necessary. She's a freight train gaining momentum daily. At the same time the liberal left and lefty media loose momentum daily. Teeter totter effect. Up, up, up she goes.




Don't you mean the Alaskan Sow? No such think as a mama griz.



Are you sure that is what you think?
Some think half the adult grizz in Alaska are Mama grizz.
That�s what I think too.


Perky is not going to run and if she did she would lose.

By 2012 she will be way over exposed and everyone will be tired of her shrill voice. Someone here said she needs a voice coach. That someone was right. She also needs someone to get her to drop all the cliches and the kindergarten teacher way of talking.

In spite of those criticisms she is making big bucks and doing valuable work for Conservative candidates. Personally I like her but I don't want her to run for President. I think that would result in the worst defeat a Presidential candidate ever suffered.

Keep up the good work, Perky. I'm behind you unless and until you run for Pres.
According to this, the Repubs don't want her to run ....

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021350-503544.html?tag=pop
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