I hate boots, but I want to like them.

I have had 3 different pair of cheeper boots, and Im never happy with them. And so, Im not very experienced with boots.

My goal is to find light weight, flexible sole, water proof, high comfort boot that feels like a "tennis-shoe" (or more specific a skateboarding shoe)

Redwing boots is what I have been looking at now. I think they are the most promising prospect (unless someone else has a better suggestion)

SO, THE BIG QUESTION IS, insulated or un-insulated.

insulated version has 400g of thinsulate.

my hunting conditions will include temp range from 70 degrees F to 20 degrees F damp and windy.
sandy conditions. rocky conditions. lots various burrs and anything the desert can grow to poke you.

I am afraid that the insulated version might be too hot on warm/hot days.

Some people have told me that insulation is helpful in cold and irrelevant in the heat. Is that true?

I need the opinions of those with more boot experience

i tend to only wear my boots when there is snow on the ground....in my case i run uninsulated and just wear varying thicknesses of wool socks depending how cold it is and just what i plan on doing....

If you ain't sitting in the cold then light insulation will be fine. I've run 200grams for a lot of hunting in Alaska but had some heavier versions for other situations.

I own 1 pair of dress shoes but 10 pair of hunting boots for various purposes/weather conditions.

Oh, good socks and a liner sock also, regardless of temps I have 2 pair of socks on.

What he said. miles

+ 1 on everything but.... even the best fitting pair of boots wont fit like a "tennis-shoe" (or more specific a skateboarding shoe). They're totally different. Good fit and all day comfy - YES. Tennis shoe comfortable - NO.

How many pairs of insulated skate shoes do you have?

If you hunt on a tennis court -- get a pair as comfoortable as a tennis shoe. Where I hunt, I need support for the uneven ground I'm on. I need water proof for the mid-shin deep swamps I go through. I need insulation for the temps I hunt in. I have several pairs of hunting boots as well:

1. A pair of sturdy hikers - light weight for ridge hunting in warmer temps.
2. A pair of Gore-tex thinsulate 200 grams for general hunting in temps down to -10*F.
3. A pair of felt pack rubber boots that are rated for -40*F.
4. A pair of felt pack snomobile type boots that are rated for -50*F for the drier, colder snowy conditions. I have hunted to as cold as -40. Even walking, your feet can get cold in good boots. Dry socks, boots that fit well, and boots that will let your feet breathe.

Most of you guys don't see all those conditions in a year.

Steelhead, what is a liner sock? Or more importantly how do you use them?
liner sock on foot then wool over that? or the other way around?

MadMooner, good point. I have no insulated skate shoes, but my time in them in really cold weather is limited.

the 2 greatest problems I have with boots is:
#1 when my feet don't move and flex when walking for hours they begin to ache.
#2 weight becomes cumbersome.


sounds like un-insulated is the way to go on this one based on what you guys have said.

then you arent wearing the right boots, they should flex fine and not all of them are heavy, my knees are chit and i cant wear heavy footwear or ill be in pain in short order....hell i wont even try on a pair of shoes or boots without first checking the weight, ive got 2 pairs that go up to about the bottom of my calf muscle and arent that heavy, i can wear them all day just fine....

I'm kind of particular about my footwear now and days. For way too long I wore cheap shoes and boots and my knees and feet have paid the price. Good boots will last ten years or more if you take care of them. So, $200 boots ammortized over 10 years is only $20 a year. Worth every penny.
For your temps and conditions, I'd probably go with a lightly insulated, Not more than 400grams. I would then supplement that as needed with wool socks.

For reference purposes, I worked on hot tubs here in the Mountains of Wyoming for 2 winters wearing 600gram insulated boots wearing Smartwool sock liners. I would stand in snow to my knees for hours at a time and so long as my feet stayed dry (didn't sweat) My feet would stay warm. The biggest trick to warm comfortable feet is keeping them dry. That means both sweat and walking across streams or dewy meadows.

If I am not hunting in the mountains I like the Danner Pronghorns. They are light, offer support, and are very comfortable to walk/hunt in. I have both insulated and uninsulated. If you are moving a lot unisulated should work fine. I stand hunt in northern Mn with 200 to 400 insulated boots with temps down to 0.

If you're hunting central Texas from Sept thru Dec., you might be well off with just uninsulated ankle-top hikers, or even comfortable walking shoes, and then add some canvas or leather gaiters. If you're doing a lot of hunting in freezing or wet weather, then you'd want something different.

Rattler, mind posting what brand and model you use?

thanks for the input SteveG.

I am hunting in central Tx and in south east New Mexico mostly.
both a semi-desert climate (central Tx) and desert climate (s.e. NM) temperatures can be be extreme, even just from morning to noon.

Just from experence buy the 400 gr insulated they fit very well and are a great boot also in hot days they do work the way said in your letter. need water proof put a pair of rubbers over them.Rubber is the only thing that compleatley water proof

one pair is Rocky the other is Browning....no clue on what model.....i buy most my hunting gear in Jan-April when its cheap both pairs are a couple years old, i tend to buy boots when they are on clearance.....both pairs are similar to this one but without or with very lil insulation

http://www.rockyboots.com/Product-D...-Utility-Pro-Insulated-Waterproof-Boots/

For 20 degree temps and on the move, uninsulated all day long. When I'm hunting I've always got Smartwool socks on. Liner socks could be polypropolene to wick the moisture away from your foot. A lot of people like silk liner socks as well, and the wool over them.

I'd likely run uninsulated Danner Pronghorns if I were you, in fact, they're my preference in boots for the last 5 years, new pair should be arriving this week.

For stand hunting in cooler weather you'll likely want some insulation. I've got to where I just wear a knee-high rubber boot like the Alpha Burly with good wool socks.

Like most of these guys I've got a half dozen pairs of boots that are used for varying conditions. Flat ground, steep ground, grasslands, wet, cold, etc. When I absolutely know it isn't going to be wet, I'm just as likely to wear a standard issue leather workboot, like a lace-up Redwing or Justin.

I was considering redwing #432 (gore tex lined and 400g insulation)
or redwing #435 (gore tex without insulation)

they are lace up work boots with a fairly flexible mid and outsole not terribly heavy and felt pretty comfortable in the store.


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Here are the 435's you were talking about-



I myself prefer a 9" boot.

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i have this pair of rocky, and are great over a wide range of temps. plus they are light weight.
rocky boots

My feet run very cold, so I usually go a little heavier in insulated boots than some folks might. I find the 400 gram to be adequate for most hunting, especially if on the move a lot (pheasant hunting etc.). I have a couple pair of uninsulated Wolverines, but there use is limited to warmer conditions.
My feet get the coldest when fishing in very cold weather, and I have some Sorel Pac Boots for that- I believe they are 800's plus a felt liner.
Size your boots for the socks (and thickness of them) that you will wear with those boots. Too tight not good.
Socks are paramount- silk liners with wool- I like Wigwams, and will layer as necessary for conditions. Antiperspirant foot spray helps immensely with sweating.

Just received mine from the "goodfriend promo"... . I'm pretty happy!

Assuming you got in on that as well.

David

yes that are them

yeah, these are the ones I have been looking at. there are variations on these. 6" or 9" either in insulated (400g) or non-insulated, and gore tex or not (gore tex equivalent)

If it doesn't get much colder than 20-30* I'd go with uninsulated and wear good socks.

Light ins. is OK if you don't get sweaty feet. If you do, it won't matter what ins. you have, your feet will get cold.

The more I wear the 9" at work, the more I wish I went with the 6.

quote:
70 degrees F to 20 degrees F
That doesn't even approach real cold! Un-insulated boots are the way to go for mild temperatures. Wear good socks! The big problem with insulated boots is when you get them wet. With un-insulated boots, you just change socks and keep hunting. with insulated boots, you'd better be by a good moderate heat source and have 8 hours or more.....
It is very frustrating to have soaked insulated boots that can't dry out. Insulation is ineffective in those conditions.

If it's not going to get colder than 20 degrees F, then I wouldn't get insulated boots. You can handle that with warm socks. The last thing you want is to be sweating in 70F weather with your insulated boots. I've hunted in lower than 20 with a pair of boots similar to these with light poly liner socks under heavy wool in comfort:

http://www.rockyboots.com/Product-D...ynx-Realtree-AP-Waterproof-Hunting-Boot/

I did finally find some 400 gram insulated boots that I only wear if snow is involved, but if I only had one pair, I'd rather have the uninsulated than the insulated.

I prefer barefoot .. in the warm sand!

Anywhere else I need as much insulation I can walk in!

I have (only one pair!) of insulated (400 i think). Most of my hunting is a lot of walking and so I adjust socks depending on temps:

warmer (40+ degrees) I will use a silk liner and cotton socks and my feet still get pretty warm usually. YES, I should also have uninsulated boots, but havent' spent the $$ for that.

Colder: under 30* - If I know I'm mostly sitting, liner + nice wool socks. But if walking- wear liner + not as thick wool socks or a blended (Ultimax type) sock from wherever (Cabelas, etc)

These boots have been my most comfy ever and are flexible, but have good grips. Not sure of the exact boot, but close to this: Cabela's 9" Insulated Pinnacle� Hunting Boots with GORE-TEX� Scent-Lok�

Also, if you will wear wool or multiple layers - you probably need a larger size but that depends on the boot. Try them on with the layers you will wear!
Cabelas has the same boot in 7 & 9" uninsulated for about $100. For your description of your hunting, I'd go with uninsulated. Especially if your cold is mainly in the morning or evenings and daytime is warmer. You may be a little cold right away, but shouldn't take too long to warm up your toes(sissy)
You could even pack a couple changes of socks probably (start wtih wool & change when warmer).

I have white bunny boots for ice fishing and ultra-light weight non-insulated wolverines for hunting. I got tired of heavy boots out walking, now it feels like I'm wearing athletic shoes with high tops. I tried the Danner pronghorns and they were about as light, but didn't fit my foot as well.

I have a pair of un-insulated Danner Pronghorns, older pair but they've been pretty good. Insoles sucked, so I replaced them.

You'll see hit/miss reviews on Danners


I use them early season archery, antelope hunting, etc.

Next up is a 800g Pair of Irish Setters, don't know the model but I use them probably more than any other boot and will buy another pair when needed. These are probably 5-6 years old?

Than I have a pair of 1600g Irish Setters, HEAVY but they're my ice fishing boots. I wouldn't want to go hiking in them, but they are comfortable and I could walk a few miles without any problems.

I think you need 2 pairs of boots. For summer and light weight loads I think the best hunting sneaking boot is the Lowa Renegrade. They are gortex and have soft soles that work great for hunting. Then for cold weather I would invest in a 400 gram pair of boots. I also recomend the liner sock and a pair of wool socks my preferenc is smartwool. These days there are a lot of options.

Thanks to you guys with all your input.

It seems the consensus is go non-insulated for my intended use.

I was leaning that way anyway.

For our country and eastern NM you can't beat the Danner Pronghorns . I have one pair without insulation and another pair with insulation . The insulated ones look nearly new 'cause they don't get worn .