http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/19/ny-bill-would-force-gun-owners-buy-least-1m-insura/
Any person who has not purchased insurance in compliance with the law within 30 days of its passing would be in violation of the law.

Such an occurrence �shall result in the immediate revocation of such owner�s registration, license and any other privilege to own such firearm.�

The bill also states that if a gun is stolen, the legal owner of that gun is responsible for any damage incurred until a loss or theft is reported to the police department.

Liability insurance for $1 million in coverage for gun owners is estimated to cost between $1,600 and $2,000 annually, the Examiner reports.

The Dems are on their game! They are not missing any methods to drive guns out of our homes. I can only hope there is a local push along with the help of the NRA to file an injunction against all the new NY gun laws.
Most all of us are going to face this insidious party in our own respective states.

So when do we say enough is enough?

They keep doing this schit because there is no consequences.

What is wrong with people?

I don't understand how they can force you to buy insurance for guns.

They're making gun ownership a privilege of the wealthy rather than a right belonging to everyone.

Anybody that thinks it's not always about the money with Politicians is just as dumb as any Democrat.

The problem for this law and others like it is that gun ownership is not a privilege it's a constitutional right. The Supreme Court as already ruled that any right also protects the means to exercise that right. Thus, all these schemes to make gun ownership unaffordable through taxes, fees, or other requirements are doomed to be found unconstitutional and likely to be prevented from taking effect by court injunction.

The same way they are going to force you buy health insurance...

The government can't force you to buy anything! Not insurance or anything else, that's unconstitutional! The SCOTUS would never let that stand.

Oh wait...

If they can force you to "buy insurance" for your "health" they can force you to "buy insurance" for ANYTHING they want,and they will, until folks decide enough is enough, which we have. Then, they'll do it anyway, and they have, until they have a big enough reason not too, which we haven't given them - yet. I hope that can still be accomplished at the ballot box but don't really see how.

They have been allowed to breath other peoples air.

Are the gunowners of NY State going to stand for this ?


Mike

Dont see how they have much choice. They live in the state that elected the people that passed the laws. Legislators apparantly couldn't care less what the gunowners think.

The founders of this country risked their lives, their families and their fortunes to provide us the second amendment. They literally risked everything.

They drew a line.

Where is our line?

Do we really have the guts and the fortitude they had to draw one?

I was wondering if anyone else was going to point that out. You beat me to it but my hat's off to you on that because you are 100% correct. Now we need to point out this very obvious point to the knuckleheads trying to railroad our rights.

Yeah, Mac. I wish that had occurred to me.

Who is this genius?

No, they bit off more than they can chew with Cuomo's nonsense. People aren't going to register anything and no one is getting rid of any magazines.

[bleep] this latest clown, his bill and NYC!

A member of the 'Fire and trying to buy bullets in the Classifieds.

Why anyone would sell anything gun related to that k*nt is beyond me.

Beyond me too, several more like him...

The Marxist Socialist Fascist inspired politicians could not care less about gun owners or the Constitution. They have their agenda and nothing will stop them.

L.W.

in germany we have to have 3 million euros insurance, at a minimum. this basically covers any damage your bullet does. its cheap i payed IIRC 86 euros for 6 million euros for 3 years

Standard 1 mil liability policies here cost me about $150/yr.

Exactly.. And it appears there's no one to stop 'em..

But you don't live in a free country and are apparently ok with that.

We do live in a free country, and are not ok with our freedoms being taken away.

It really is that simple.

I can tell you on the local level there have alreayd been several demonstrations both locally and in Albany. There was a local one this past Saturday in front of Republican Party Minority Leader Dean Skelos (Traitor) office. It will be interesting to see what happens to Skelos when he come sup for re election.

two thoughts

first is the supremes have already said the government can make you buy insurance.
second, I'll bet the farm that the trial lawyers are behind this crap.

do you bitch about paying car insurance or wearing a seat belt? Germany is for the most part 'free'. You want guns, drivers license, boats, trapping, and reloading you attend a school. After graduating you can have these things. The problem with the gun violence is not gun law, DOJ published a memo stating banning AR-15 and mag count will not lower crime rate. its Storage, we can go back Columbine all these mass shootings were done with stolen guns.


PS
i do not choose to live here, Uncle Sam placed me here

No offense intended, but the US was uniquely established for the very purpose of liberty. Liberty means you don't need to ask permission from some state official before you proceed to exercise a right, and we don't look to our government to tell us what our rights are. Rather, it's by the standard of our rights that we judge the degree to which our government has become tyrannical.

Well said..


And driving/owning cars is not a right - it's a privilege... Owning/using a gun is a RIGHT, not a priviledge - and the damn dems in this country are doing their level best to turn this country into Europe..

Those who live in NY must figure a way to get these illegal/unconstitutional laws overturned, and pronto..

There are at least two lawsuits that have started already, one from a Gun Rights Attorney out of Buffalo, N.Y. and the other is the NYSRPA in conjunction with the NRA.

The real question is how long will it take to get in front of the Supreme Court and will that happen before Obama gets to make an appointment to the Court in his second term ?

Wouldn't federal courts have first chances at these laws? Then, if upheld, would go to the SCOTUS.. That, no doubt, would take a while, unless everything gets fast-tracked somehow (wishin' here)..

I thought some folks here said that if these laws ever passed, they would be immediately enjoined. What happened to that?

An excellent question..


Bob???

Not anymore. Kansas used to not require liability insurance. Then they started doing so and the cost of car ownership went way up. I bittched about it for years to no avail. I've never utilized any liability insurance, so I wonder how much I've paid out over the years with no return.

Another thing to add to what Hawkeye said. If a thief breaks into your home and steals your guns, is it you who should be blamed? This is yet another example in our country, of punishing the innocent and victimized and blaming them rather than placing responsibility on the wrong-doer. Nobody who has their stuff stolen should be blamed in any way unless they were just extremely negligent-like had their guns setting out beside an old recliner by the road on swap day or something.

But what would they cost if people were required to buy them and companies did not have to price them to sell? Is a gun liability policy even going to be something an insurance company in NY would want to take on? I can see companies wanting to stay away from this and if that becomes the case they could charge any amount they want - do you think the NY government would step in to regulate the prices if this happened? ... and if so would it be to the advantage of gun owners?

In legalese, the way that is expressed is that "criminal acts break the chain of causation," i.e., when analyzing the cause of a harm for the purpose of assigning liability, you follow the chain back to the first cause sine qua non, i.e., the first cause "without which not," unless there's an intervening and superseding cause, i.e., a cause that breaks the chain of causation.

Criminal acts do precisely that, so if someone were harmed by a stolen firearm, you only follow the causation chain back to the thief, not all the way back to the owner from whom it was stolen, even if the owner's failure to adequately secure the weapon could be argued to have been a cause sine qua non, i.e., a cause in fact, but not a proximate cause for the purposes of the law.

Think about this. NY enacted a law a couple of years ago specifically defining pellet guns as firearms.
Further, the governor has placed a gag order on the NY Dept of Environmental Conservation. "It bans DEC staffers from talking directly to members of the media, unless they've given prior approval by the department's public relations officials, whose actions are being monitored closely by the governors staff." This from the Syracuse Post Standard in an article written by David Figura dated 1/27/2013.
We currently have an obnoxiously political environment here in NYS. I am cautiously optimistic that we can keep it from spreading and eventually turn it around.

The mere fact that they come up with this stuff is proof that we need mandatory drug testing for our elected officials.

it ain't insurance...its a tax.......we been down this road.

Its interesting, because its not a Tax if its paid to a third party. If the State had set up a fund and we were forced to pay into it then it would be a Tax.

Of course designing legislation that passes consitutional muster doesn't seem to be a high priority in Albany.

No, it's a tax.

poll tax

I had to buy a 1 million dollar policy to deliver logs to a Boise Cascade sawmill.They made it mandatory or you couldn't deliver logs.Guns now,things are getting crazy on telling us what we have to do.

I don't think so.

Jayco

The problem is that The SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare paves the way for government to compel purchase of a product. Buy insurance for your gun or pay a fine(tax) of $500 per firearm. It's not a penalty, it's not requiring purchase- its a tax.

Go chew your cud, sheepboy.

Register,Mag limits,No AR's have to have insurance
[bleep] um come and take um and make me

Im wearing this shirt as I type

When are the laws going to be enjoined?

Obamacare has an insurnace mandate.
Empire state, has an emperor.

Loving that shirt! Where can I buy one and do the proceeds go to a fund to fight this crap?

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth..._Am_I_the_only_one_that_hasn#Post7464309

NSAQAM is another gun grabber who bragged he voted for Obama, al Franken , supports Cuomo, Feinstein voter fraud, gay marriage and supports gun confiscations and bans as long as he can keep his bolt guns

Amazing he is still on the forum