in Orlando. He turned violent and was shot. Just released, more info coming out. I just read this on the Mpls Tribune website.

www.startribune.com

Wouldn't want him tattling.

A more thorough account:

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/201...arnaev/r3JR1wWQjO9GuWjIMP0O0K/story.html

they are just quietly closing out loose ends.................

Been doing it since at least 1963.

�The agent along with two Massachusetts State Police troopers and other law enforcement personnel were interviewing...

Let's see, 2 Mass. troopers, at least 1 FBI agent, and at least 1 'other law enforcement personnel' = 4 officers. 4 officers is the minimum number and I would bet there were more.

Now 4 officers interviewing 1 terrorist suspect, in the suspects home/apartment, and they had to kill him, because he attacked one of the officers.

Yeah, that's a likely story!

I noticed they made very thorough notation of the fact that "he was a mixed martial arts fighter and thus, a far better fighter."

That was just casually slipped into the details in a manner that did justify his being shot.

Terrorists do or do not attack police officers with the odds of survival stacked against them?

Look at the crooked nose on the guy in the pic...He's taken a beatin some where along the way, most likey several of em. The article said he had kicked the teeth out of a another man over a parking spot..

I don't doubt he was a bad ass if he was a regular competitor in the MA's... I would of done the Indiana Jones on him too if he started that schitt on me.

You have to be a few cards shy of a full deck to get in those cages and/or arenas, and if you weren't when you started, you would be soon.

dead men tell no tales

They don't have tasers in the FBI?

They are on back order!

This seems to be the case...

I guess I need some foil

Snake

Hawekeye will be along in the moment to explain how this guy's 4th Amendment rights were violated, after he was no longer useful to the International Bankers and Israelis who paid him to help kill innocent marathoners.

Hey, I'm not against shooting terrorist or for that matter terrorist sympathizers. Just dont and lie about what happened!

Can't force people to take their meds....

The usual folks always come along, and offer the usual support for anything the Feds do.
No tinfoil needed here, but a better story from .gov might be in order.

They'll be on the same order at walleyworld as the cheap .22s

FBI agents are nothing more than lawyers and accountants with guns. I WOULD expect better from State Troopers however.

For once, I would just like the honest truth, instead of what they think we need to hear, or what they want us to hear. And without the prerequisite "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" being shouted first.

+1

No Sam, far from it, but to suggest the FBI purposely executed a suspect for purposes of political gain is well "tinfoilish"..

Exactly...only place people die when undergoing questioning are either Socialist or Islamic states.

THAT is the good old "He suffered from a previously undiagnosed heart condition and unfortunately died during interrogation".

True the Vote and others who supported Romney claim the FBI was just one of several .gov agency's which raked them over the coals. Was that not for political gain?

4 - highly trained law enforcement personnel couldn't handle,
1 - 5'8" 155# suspect ?! Think on that for a minute.

Do these guys go on patrol in groups?
4 on one and they shoot? During an interview ?!

That being said, I personally don't care if they shoot every terrorist or supporter,(hell I'd be praising them!) don't blow smoke up my azz!

I guess this means others were involved.

Often their computers and cell phones do.

Not if you magnetize them or throw 'em in the microwave a few minutes. After you kill your colleague the interviewee, I mean.

I believe it's standard if the interviewee pulls a knife, the interviewer pulls a gun. I would. More die from a knife wound than bullet wounds, from what I understand. Even if that is disputable, that's how it will work with me. Even a little knife.

Yep, this Administration would never use an FBI Agent to execute a suspected terrorist. They have drones and Seal teams for that.

Will a microwave oven kill a harddrive?

I thought you had to drill a bunch of holes in it!

Saw a report that the suspect was about to sign a confession when he changed tactics and pulled a knife.

Question is, how the hell did he have access to a knife?

Maybe they have those little light wands like MIB did.

I'm going to believe the FBI is not collaborating with islamic terrorists today. We'll see what the next scandal coming from the WH shows, before I consider changing that perception.

Lunged at the agent with a knife: DRT. I thought most of you guys stated all the different ways you would kill these guys, thereby avoiding those pesky trials and due process. Well, the FBI boys took care of it for you. What's not to like?

Good, send em to do an interview with the Ft Hood piece of chit.

And there you go...

And it occurred to none of them to do a pat down before the interview?
This guy unconceals and attacks w/ a knife and none of them can see it happening?
Unreal.

Didnt say I didnt like the outcome, of the interview.

Just dont believe it happened the way they said it did!

+ 1 !

You boys have totally unrealistic views of the FBI.

Ergo my kind link to a discount coupon on the HD Reynolds wrap..

Ain't nuthin' to fret over. The names of the agents will be "leaked" , then the agents will get offed in "accidents" & such.
Everything gonna be OK


Mike

Was just making a funny about the instantaneous conspiracy "usual suspects" showing up without a "better story from gov".

This report is just what Zero needs to take the spotlight off of his scandals.

It's almost comical, isn't it?

I like the one about the 4 "highly trained" FBI agents against somebody they are interviewing...

Highly trained!? In what!? I love how people just assume that because they are a federal agent, that they're supercops...

So are you saying that the FBI would send several inexperienced agents to interview someone that was potentially involved in a major terror plot? Ones that wouldn't know when or when not to shoot?

I have no feelings one way or the other, I am just not understanding what you were saying there.

He wasn't following party lines. So he had it coming.

First - Ya need to read it again....says law enforcement personnel, not 4 FBI agents.(2 were state troopers)
Second - I worked w/ FBI, still do intermittently, would you like a guess on how many vehicles I get loaded w/ ammo, cash, I kept an m4 for 6 hours until the bone head remembered he left it in the front seat. Under no assumptions at all. Sometimes sad sometimes comical.
Are they not the top law enforcement agency in the U.S.?
As far as Oh I don't know , maybe law enforcement, interrogation, investigations, solitaire, something
If they are not highly trained who is?
They would send untrained agents to a terrorist interview?
Anyway semantics aside,.......4 on 1? (leos vs. suspect)
I would't take those odds in a barfight, let alone against 4 armed men. (untrained supercops or not)

I am curious. We have a guy in pretty good physical shape and he pulls a knife in I am guessing close proximity to several Federal and State LE Officers. Was anyone cut? Was the agent who shot him some sort of quick draw artist and a helluva shot to put a shot into his CNS to drop him so no one got cut?
You guys in LE would obviously know better.

What your take?

Bill

I want to see the body. For all we know obama had him released, or appointed to his cabinet.

.......maybe buried at sea..........

I'm saying that FBI agents tend to be specialists, not general super beings. If one is sent to conduct an interview, they are generally specialized in conducting interviews. They would be highly trained in interrogation, not so much in hand to hand combat, although they do receive a modicum of that training during the process of becoming an agent.

In this instance, they'd most likely send a few guys that are highly trained, and highly experienced in interrogations. They would have the minimum experience or training in firearms or hand to hand combat. In other words, a martial artist would probably make them crap their pants should he turn on them.

The other LEO's present should have been able to handle their lack of skills though...

Naw, chances are he couldnt appoint him to his cabinet...

Dude probably paid taxes and didnt hire illegal immigrants!

Fair enough. I am not FBI knowledgable so I defer to those here that are.

Wasn't the guys first questioning by these guys.
My take is the guy more less felt harassed and decided to kick some ass.
Things happen fast.
He found out you best keep your cool when dealing with LE of whatever acronym.

No doubt he had good reason to believe his next stop was a black site where he was scheduled for tortu... ahem, I mean "enhanced interrogation." Can't blame a man for "going for broke" under those circumstances.

Welcome to the foil fold.

You mean despotic states, which gives us a clue as to where we are as a nation at the moment.

They placed it into his cold dead hand?

Jorge, I certainly agree. Couple of years ago, I would have been reaching for my roll of foil. Lately though? Not so damn sure that the American Government, at least what passes for government with the current administration, is not worthy of a second look with regards to incidents like this.
We have been lied to repeatedly over the past few years. Right now, there is the issue of Benghazi, the IRS and other government entities targeting their 'enemies', Fast and Furious, and all those lies, the lies and half truths regarding terrorists in America, and a whole raft of other mis information campaigns by hussein and his krewe.
No repressive regime has ever had a problem finding the thugs it needed to oppress the Citizens. There are a bunch of 'operators' that would be only too willing to do the deed in question here.

Because the government never lies.

Most of you guys are assuming that this had something to do with the bombing in Boston.



Has it occurred to you that maybe Todashev didn't want to go down for a triple murder that happend a year and a half before Boston?

I blame the sequester. If they only had more funding.

I'm impressed!

Amazing the detailed conclusions that hyper-perceptive Campfire omniscients can so easily distill from a couple of very terse long-distance press reports!

I'm awed to find myself among such seers.

Cassandra couldn't hold a candle to these guys, Ken.

Ed

Sir, I want you to keep a straight face, and tell me you believe everything the government tells you.

From the link;

Could go either way?

Did anyone see an all black Zodiac heading out of Boston Harbor today with masked men carrying a large bag ?

VS.














Your call, get the foil or not?

If only the members of the Campfire were charged with enforcing the law. We'd never have a problem again. He11, they wouldn't even need firearms.

You guys kill me. In many, MANY, threads you talk about how you take justice into your own hands. But when some LEO is forced to do his job, well, no way that needed to happen.

And on top of it all, you're defending a murderer and very likely a terrorist. Better go back and re-read all your posts about how bad azz you are and how you will take the law into your own hands. And then pick one way to be.

Don't discourage them. I get some of my best comedic material here.

No, that's an unreasonable challenge that doesn't deserve a polite reply.

There's a wide ocean of significant difference between (a) believing everything that the government tells me and (b) assuming and predicting specific chicaneries without any foundation except preexisting cynicism.

So I dasn't assume (or predict) anything without significant evidence to suggest it.

some get reinforcement for long held stereotypes here as well.

Like those of the "white, male, straight gun owner?"

<snicker>

Yeah.

I don't recall that the temple snakes that licked her ears clean left 'em full of venom that trickled into her mouth.

that was pretty cryptic. Are you telling us that you are a non white, non male, non straight, non gun owner?

<snicker>

Easy guys. It was just quality control of all the recently purchased .gov ammo.

I usually assume stuff like that when the title of the thread is "Re: FBI just shot another man they were questioning in the Boston bombing".

Anyway I try not to be commenting on the size of women's asses on Terrorist Bombing threads.

While I am flattered you researched an republished a bunch of my profundities, there is a huge difference (in my opinion which I find mostly spot on) between the "democraps" and a couple of FBI agents and Florida State Troopers conducting a detention. By all means cover your noggin with the HD stuff...

Then again maybe "Boston Bombing" is code-speak for "women's asss size".

Sam: see my comment above. In addition take note of this tidbit: if you EVER find yourself on the same side of the discussion with TRH, I might take time to reflect...

The FBI or those who control that agency, can hire whomever they want and call them whatever they want. That includes personnel tasked with eliminating folks who can answer embarrassing questions. This presupposes the bought and paid for/incompetent MSM even got it right in the first place.

It has always been my understanding that every graduate of the FBI academy in Quantico comes out highly trained.

I can only assume that the FBI'd send only academy-trained agents to interview a "person of interest" (who may turn-out to be a major suspect), especially in a major criminal investigation, but even in a routine background check.

(Yeah � I know � "my understanding" � "I assume.")

Sam has posted on the open boards before that he has kin that is or was in the FBI. From what he's said, he likes said person. So when Sam posts stuff like that, you can be assured it's not spur-of-the-moment. I'm not implying he has some sort of inside info either, just that I'm sure he doesn't want to just flippantly accuse the FBI of something.

A closeted, crossdressing [bleep] living openly with his right-hand "man" ran the agency for years. They are blatantly political. While that says nothing against individual agents, it speaks to the history of the agency as a whole. Connect the dots.

and don't think for a moment Jorge, that your statement has not crossed my mind. I am reminded though of the old saw, "even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then".
While TRH does post some stuff that makes you say 'WTF', there is no getting around the fact that lack of truth, lack of ethics, lack of forthrightness, lack of honesty, and lack of morals out of the current administration, gives one pause.

Not every FBI agent coming out of Quantico is a field agent. It's my understanding there is more than one training path.

Where does your knowledge of FBI standard practices come from?

And just what, precisely, is the rational basis for such incredulity?

some more info from the Orlando Sentinel Paper.
Story in the local paper

There are some links to pictures of those involved. I had no idea that there was such an abundance of Chechens living in Central Florida.

Jorge, so what is your take on FBI especial agent Reginald Reyes testifying to a federal judge that Fox new correspondent James Rosen being a flight risk and a co-conspirator acting against the interests of the good old US of A in order to secretly tap his and Fox News phones?

Florida was, for reasons I don't know, a major destination for ex-Soviets throughout the 60s and 70s. It wouldn't surprise me that people from those regions are still headed there.

Russians are still pouring into South S.F. in droves. They tend to stick together.

No issues with anything about except I think tying individual agents and State LEOs to some government sanctioned "hit" is a stretch. Other than that, your comments are spot on.

Two possibilities: An overzealous and unscrupulous agent hell bent on making a name for himself in order to score points with the bosses OR, OR he was handed that obviously illegal document from above. Either way he's a POS and should be dismissed. And I'll add and again in my opinion this was done directly from DOJ.

Let's just say that a bunch of cops standing around saying "Holy [bleep]...I can't believe that guy just did that." is not unusual at all.

You just did it for me.

and that is my only point. The usual suspects here see a conspiracy at every turn and it's frankly about as laughable as having a vacuum packed pistol in the shower..

Well I guess I am cynical or at least mostly cynical (if there is such a thing), because I have a hard time believing anything the government says these days.

The only things I questioned were 1) the terrorist suspect being questioned in his home/apartment (I suppose that is the correct procedure these days, God forbid you take a suspected terrorist to the police station to interview him) and 2) that 4 officers of the law were unable to constrain one individual while being interviewed.

Tsarnaev is giving up everything he knows...look for more to follow.

I believe you have mixed up FBI & CIA.

Who cares just anther dead raghead

Don't be flattered.
Maybe you ought to read it again.
You called BS on political gain in this report, but Benghazi is the real deal. Same gov't both times.
Not a slam on you, but open your eyes, can't see the similarities?

If he don't want to go, you can't make him if he's not under arrest. In home interviews are very common.

And a suspect surprising you with a knife is not inconceivable. It happens. You don't try to wrestle a knife wielding suspect. That's how you get killed.

Knives are easy to conceal. That's why a concealed knife was a felony long before a concealed handgun was even a misdemeanor.

This thread is nothing more than Monday morning quarterbacking. "I could do it better" is a common reaction here it seems.

Thanks, jorge. Sometimes you make excellent sense.

I'm surprised that you would change a post and offer it as a quote in this way.

Good point, hadn't thought of that. I expect by now that 19 year old has been so isolated, controlled, manipulated and interrogated by experts in the field he prob'ly has no idea what day it is.

More than that, they coulda implied to this new suspect that Tsarnaev had spilled the beans on HIM.

Birdwatcher

I think "The Oxbow Incident" would be a popular book here. Hang 'em high, no evidence necessary.

I called BS on the characterization of this kill as being a pre-disposed action for any reason. Two entirely different situations. Ragardless, have fun..

His lack of integrity's not surprising...

Yeah, that was a dirty trick alright. Most folks here probably thought old jorge really said that.

Spent all their taser money on ammunition....

Most folks thought you were a douche for doing it.

???

Thinking here that there'd be quieter ways to do it...

Sounds to me like the goofy kid tried to break bad on the wrong fed. lived by the goof, died by the goof...

If your knife wielding attacker is very close you will not have time to get your handgun out quick enough to stop the attack.

And that's exactly what happened. The closest guy got stabbed and one of the other agents shot him...