Maybe....................

http://freebeacon.com/issues/blm-wont-say-if-theyve-euthanized-cows-in-ranch-standoff/

Thats okay with PETA though 'cause they are the property of a "right-winger".

I'm wondering if anyone is allowed to the areas of the ranch to see if the mommas are being moved out or killed without the babies.

Wonder what time the cookout starts.

this is [bleep] up. take his cows and kill em? they are trying to start a fight.

it's one thing to confiscate some of them and sell to recoup what they foresee is being owed to them as back payment for the grazing, but in reality they are trying to instigate him into fighting back physically so they can end this once and for all. be an interesting next few days.

Yep.

After clicking on the link in the OP and reading the article I find two women's names, an Amy and a Sally both holding top positions. No different than Sebelius and her replacement. WTF is with all these chunt in charge of so much they knew nothing about until they were appointed? Way to many holding judgeships, law enforcement command positions, House and Senate seats etc. IMO enemies of the republic each and everyone of them.

No one said they had killed any cattle
Don't fall for the hype and make yourself look foolish

Bundy just reported it is Nevadas state land. 300 cattle are corralled. On Hannity interview.

they have been accused and not denied it. it would be [bleep] up if that was the case

They are from the govt and there to help him.

They weren't accused and they didn't admit nor deny anything
Did you even read the article?
It's a BS article meant to incite the gullible, and it seems to be workiing well

says the tenderfoot

Two other relevant questions are....

1) How many cows does Bundy own? (his own estimate of the size of the herd was apparently couple of hundred off)

and....

2) How many cows running loose on public land has he actually rounded up and sold in the last 20 years?


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57792018-90/utah-cattle-county-blm.html.csp

Cattle seized from public land in Nevada were once headed to Richfield for auction � but federal officials have changed their plans after Utah leaders argued the animals would threaten the state�s $1 billion livestock industry....

On Saturday, federal agents and contract wranglers began rounding up some 900 cows off public land allotments in Clark County, where Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally had them grazing for years.

Bundy has refused to pay BLM grazing fees since 1993, according to the Associated Press, which reported Bundy argues in court filings that his Mormon ancestors worked the land long before the BLM was formed, giving him rights that predate federal involvement.

....BLM�s plan to ship the cows 200 miles to a Sevier County auction yard sparked even more controversy. Herbert and other Utah political leaders say the cows should remain in Nevada.

"There are serious concerns about human safety and animal health and well-being if these animals are shipped to and sold in Utah," Herbert wrote....

After a meeting with Utah officials Tuesday, BLM officials agreed to give seized cattle that are "feral" to the state of Nevada, and keep cows bearing Bundy�s brand in Clark County for now, according to Washington County Commissioner Jim Eardley, who attended the meeting.

Some of the cattle so far seized apparently had wandered into Nevada from allotments on the Arizona Strip and will be returned to the Utah-based ranchers who own them, Eardley said.

On Friday, Eardly and his fellow commissioners passed an emergency resolution giving a litany of reasons why the Bundy cows must stay out. Topping the list are brucellosis and other diseases that could spread to Utah herds.

The resolution claims many of Bundy�s cows have been running loose on the range for so many years that they can no longer be considered domestic. In addition to being disease carriers, these animals are not accustomed to being gathered or transported and would be a menace to those handling them, it said.

"Feral cattle do not receive proper immunizations or other veterinary care," the resolution states. "Feral cattle are likely to interbreed, and interbreeding of cattle creates numerous problems with maintaining a healthy and vibrant herd."

I guess I just dont understand how the Fed. is involved at all.Its state land so why were they collecting fees.Can someone explain this to me.

Yea, they sure worry about that turtle, disease, domestication and interbreeding thing with the wild horses.

pure political bs.

It's not state land

When will they remember to bring up the amount of methane gas produced by them, but not the wild burros.

"Lueders said she understood that the heavy equipment was being used to 'restore land that has been affected by the trespass cattle.' "
Bull schlitz!

She needs to get her azz out of the air-conditioned office more often.
We're not talking about 300 million buffalo stampeding across the land....we're talking about 500-600 cattle over what.....150,000 acres.

The "heavy equip" (whatever that means) is or was being used to blaze staging areas (corrals) for the captured cattle and/or to open roads or improve two tracks
so that semi's can get in there to remove the cattle. The use of a backhole to
hoist dead animals into a dump truck is another possibility.
A private aircraft can fly over the area and record what has changed. The scars would stand out. Of course,the BLM could request the FAA or Homeland to declare the area a no-fly zone.

The statement that heavy equip would repair habitat damage done by cattle is assinine. Let's compare footprints of the equip to the cattle. And why attempt range repair when the cattle haven't all been captured?

Thats not what was reported on Fox a while ago.

If I couldn't state any facts, I'd just not say anything, rather than act childish by using name calling

hey, it aint my fault you took offense at the term we call you guys. it's not derogatory, just an illustration of what you are capable of out west.
It has rang true everytime IME, but once. Thank EvilTwin for proving not all easterners are tenderfeet.

Lots of false information get reported
Reality is the BLM either owns or manages 80-90% of Nevada, including Bundy'd little corner

I wasn't offended
I said it's childish, and adds nothing to the discussion

actually you said I acted childish and that it was name calling. which that in itself was name calling I guess. not that I GIF either way. just noting the irony.

come over to the big thread on this, there are lots of guys who are pro big gov there

The error you're making is assuming that sarcasm can be nonsensical.

I would expect that the concerns about unvaccinated feral cattle that have never before been handled are valid. Likewise just a few generations of feral outcrossing in hogs can undo years of careful selection. I imagine its not to hard to create scrub cattle under feral conditions.

let me tell you how the real world works up in the strip country,where the navajo's roam.
you bring in cattle quietly onto the rez from utah, where a brand inspector certifies them as healthy, helps that is one of your cousins, and then after a period the cattle are shipped to phx for sale. That area north of the canyon is sparsely settled, and a lot of people up there would gladly tell the blm to KMA.

with the BLM reportedly running dumptrucks and backhoes around the Bundy area for at least a couple of days , I think its highly likely a good number of old Clivens cows are not even gonna make it to the sale barn


one thing this fiasco has done on the Campfire is shown up the fellas that would do to ride the river with........and then the other sort........

From my post a couple of hours ago........."A private aircraft can fly over the area and record what has changed. The scars would stand out. Of course,the BLM could request the FAA or Homeland to declare the area a no-fly zone."

Well,the FAA just declared a no-fly over the Bundy place tonite. Reportedly cell towers are off-line as well.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...no-fly-zone-ordered-at-bundy-ranch-video

Dayom.

Based upon what officials from the state of Utah are saying I think its highly likely that a large percentage of those cows have never before been handled by humans and never been vaccinated.

What else are they supposed to do with them?

Birdwatcher

For one thing, leave them alone. They are not the government's cattle unless they are claiming them against his debt. If the government wants to do that, then the fair market value of each cow should be subtracted from what Bundy owes the government. Then .gov can do what they want, including killing them. Those cows are no more of an invasive species than the wild horses that roam around there. But if the government wants to kill them, they need to buy them first.

Bundy says 500 cows, times $1000 per cow..... BLM says over 1 million behind in fees....

So, if the government wants to shoot them, that means he's halfway there. Not insignificant. Not saying that's the outcome I'd want if I was Bundy. Just saying that the government is lawlessly going about this rather than even attempting anything that bears any resemblance to what most people would see as the right thing.

Just because the BLM manages the land , doesn�t mean its federal land . Same with the USFS .
Here in Idaho we have state land that�s managed by the USFS and BLM .

I have wondered the same thing Ethan .
Just because the a court has ruled it legal to confiscate , does not give then the right to destroy.
Seems to me they could sell against a debt but that also would give the person the right to purchase or agree to repay against that debt .
I also find it rather odd that the whacko animal rights groups aren�t all over this for animal cruelty.
The fed is chasing heifers during a time when they are caving . Which would cause premature births , separation of young from their mothers. Even deaths from exhaustion.
After all wasn�t it just a couple years ago that it was all over the national news when dairy workers were filmed abusing dairy cattle here in Idaho . Now those same groups are screaming about laws being passed to make it illegal for them to fill without an owners consent . Why are they not down there filming this ?

As to wild cattle . If the cow has yet to carry a brand , then it ferial and without claim . Just like the wild horses . There are laws and processes that the Fed have to go through before they can kill the wild horses . Why would the cattle not be the same .?
No mater how you cut this , what is being done is illegal and both state and federal laws have to be aloud to be broken in order for it to happen

Yes, and they are collecting the guns of anybody in the area too per my link I posted last night.

I agree with everything you've said here. I'm just saying that the government doesn't even seem to be making a pretense of doing things legally let alone right. I thought about saying something about the humane angle as well and you are spot-on on that.

there are plenty of cowboys around that know how to handle wild cattle , of course if you harass the hell out of them with helicopters that don't help the situation

as to the vaccinations , thousands of un vaccinated cattle are shipped thru sale barns every year....there is zero risk to the public


the claim that Bundy owes over a million in grazing fees is a lie .....the numbers just don't add up , even after 20 years of non payment