One of the primary mantras of the left, is how valuable America's diversity is. I'm kinda wondering about that. In the past, our diversity was not all that diverse. Think about who settled the Country. Mostly, if not almost exclusively Northern Europeans. Later, the Irish and Italians flooded in, but in essence, they were much the same. I guess the biggest difference was they were Catholic, and they settled in the Cities, not the rural areas. Yeah, we had blacks coming in, but at the time, they were not a long term asset. Now though, we have the black community, the homo community, the hispanic community, the asian community, the recipient class community, the disabled community, the dope smoking community, the illegal alien community...............NONE of which want to be Americans. They are here to take. TONS of 'diversity', but much of that is of benefit to the Country. Instead, much of that diversity is a drain, a cancer. They contribute little, they take a lot. Their insistence on maintaining THEIR cultural identity is destroying OUR cultural identity. Not to paint with too broad a brush, but the white middle class community, if we can call ourselves that, is what is holding it all together, paying for all those other free rides. Now all those other 'communities' are proud of their identity, and are praised for being proud. However, let a person in the white middle class say how proud THEY are of being white, or successful, then all of those other communities come down with both feet, condemning, castigating, calling us racist, and in general attacking us. We have Black Pride, homo pride, hispanic pride, asian pride, poor pride..........but we are not allowed to have any white pride. Here at UF, we have the black student union, the hispanic student union, the muslim student union, the homo student union.........all paid for by the white kids, but is there a white student union? God forbid!! I'm getting a little sick of it all.
It's that tolerance and acceptance thing that keeps getting in the way.
We are supposed to be tolerant and accept them.
But they persecute us for being white, owning guns, being married, being heterosexual... you name it...THEY are NOT tolerant of it, unless it fits into their liberal agenda.
Diversity is associated with weak societies, not strong. Ours was traditionally the "melting pot" model for immigration, i.e., we had a strong culture and only permitted forks in in small numbers, and then almost entirely from cultures that were deemed compatible. To the extent their cultures were different from ours, only very small numbers were permitted in, with the expectation that they'd blend in, intermarry, and gradually their descendents would be culturally indistinguishable from any other American. That's homogeneity, not diversity. That immigration policy changed radically in the 1960s for the purpose of destroying the American culture.
No, diversity isn't. Liberalism/socialism is. They've taken over the term "diversity", like homosexuals took over "gay". What's killing America is that REAL diversity isn't the game they're playing. That would mean anybody could do the best he could by his own efforts, no matter "what" he happened to be. What they want is homogenization- everybody limited to the lowest level. As I recall, it was "Queers" in the 60s, "Homosexuals" in the 70s, "Gays" in the 80s. It became "Democrats" in the 90s, and has remained so.
If diversity means accepting and adopting the best of each culture, then it will strengthen this country.
If diversity means excusing the worst of each culture, and demonizing the traditional values of this country, it will lead to the downfall of this country.
It's that tolerance and acceptance thing that keeps getting in the way.
We are supposed to be tolerant and accept them.
But they persecute us for being white, owning guns, being married, being heterosexual... you name it...THEY are NOT tolerant of it, unless it fits into their liberal agenda.
I got no problem what so ever with any culture in america IF they work, pay taxes, and do good if that isn't the case f'em, feed'em fish eyes and rice. Problem is a few cultures in america are live like a leech on the working class to those people I hope they meet their maker sooner rather than later. No place in my culture for parasites.
Folks used to come to America, to be Americans. Now they come, and bring their culture with them, and cling to that culture, and do not 'assimilate'. We are fast becoming Balkanized, living almost in separate Countries, all within the borders of this one. There is little we all have in common anymore. There is a tendency to take, and give nothing back. To become entrenched in our community, and not even want to understand the Country that made it all possible. Indeed, there is every effort made to destroy those institutions and cultural norms that made the Country what it is.
If diversity means accepting and adopting the best of each culture, then it will strengthen this country.
If diversity means excusing the worst of each culture, and demonizing the traditional values of this country, it will lead to the downfall of this country.
Sadly I see more of the latter than the former.
We have gone from the "Melting Pot" where people from various countries brought the best the had and shared it with others to a society that is becoming more concerned with its ethnic identity than with being American. I have little use for any hyphenated American.
For many years my boss was a CEO who I would characterize as a social liberal and fiscal conservative. He made a big deal about diversity, but the reality is that he wanted a workforce that looked diverse, but all thinking alike. Little tolerance for different viewpoints, personal style, or dissenting views. Of course, being a "team player" meant never questioning him.
Not my idea of diversity.
Oh yeah, diversity is same-same affirmative action. Old wine in a new bottle with a new label, and don't let anybody tell you otherwise.
Here at UF, we have the black student union, the hispanic student union, the muslim student union, the homo student union
Q: What's the opposite of Diversity?
A: University.
(Saw that in a Mark Steyn book).
Lotta truth there. Schools say, "We want a whole wide wonderful rainbow of people at our institution� who are 100%, lock-step opposed to gun rights, and religion, and capitalism." Toe the line, or be shouted-down. That's diversity.
To the OP, I have no use for "diversity". Because it isn't diversity or even about diversity. It is about someone else being treated better than I at my expense, I take issue with that.
It's that tolerance and acceptance thing that keeps getting in the way.
We are supposed to be tolerant and accept them.
But they persecute us for being white, owning guns, being married, being heterosexual... you name it...THEY are NOT tolerant of it, unless it fits into their liberal agenda.
you said it! my ancestry can be traced to 7+ countries, it doesn't get any more diverse than America. it is also that mask that the left uses to destroy us. Diversity is merely the smoke screen. everything they preach is one sided.
.gov would love to have us fighting among ourselves, forever, by promoting some false and unnatural level of "diversity". It isn't diversity which is killing America. It is an obese and overreaching .gov.
We are all from different, even mixed, ethnic backgrounds. And we usually manage to get along fairly well with each other. It is when .gov comes along and begins insisting on treating specific ethnic groups more favorably than others that resentment comes up.
Nothing wrong with diversity in and of itself. We've always been diverse and taken advantage of the different strengths that it brings. It's the constant emphasis being placed on it that's the problem.
Diversity is associated with weak societies, not strong. Ours was traditionally the "melting pot" model for immigration, i.e., we had a strong culture and only permitted forks in in small numbers, and then almost entirely from cultures that were deemed compatible. To the extent their cultures were different from ours, only very small numbers were permitted in, with the expectation that they'd blend in, intermarry, and gradually their descendents would be culturally indistinguishable from any other American. That's homogeneity, not diversity. That immigration policy changed radically in the 1960s for the purpose of destroying the American culture.
You got it. The foundation for American culture is Anglo Saxon and Celtic culture. Any culture that can't conform to that culture should be out of here.
Liberals have once again succeeded in making a false statement a truth: concerns of "multiculturalism" is racist.
The problem with the current liberal focus on multiculturalism is they've taken a great American focal point and turned it on its head.
American multiculturalism used to mean assimilating and absorbing the best of all cultures to better the basic AND established American core value and belief system. The key was enhancing the basic principles of being "American".
Now, multiculturalism truly means division. It means allowing our social fabric to disjoint and decay into a multitude of different beliefs, contradictory beliefs, and polarizing communities so we no longer are United as we Stand, but Divided as we Fall.
The USA was founded on the belief systems of Western Europe by Western Europeans who possessed a different view on liberties, personal accountability, social accountability, how to take care of one's property, and what constitutes the American Dream. Now we have 3rd world immigrants who come from poverty, have little regard to property, want handouts, and do not want to be American but want something from America (central/south American Hispanics, all of the Muslims, parts of Eastern Europe ... seems the Asians for the most part are the exception).
Call me what you want, but I don't want an America that resembles some Central American shanty sheit hole, and especially not one that resembles any Muslim society whatsoever. And most certainly not one that takes in welfare candidates. If you bring nothing to the party, you're not invited. PERIOD.
I'm all for legal immigration, but I also don't want us just taking in anybody. I prefer people who take care of their property, want the opportunity to work, and want to be American first. All the rest can phug off.
Liberals have once again succeeded in making a false statement a truth
Spot on.
And along the way have created a self-sustaining grievance industry based on early 70s retrograde Cultural Marxism that spends tens of millions per year of other people�s money on speakers, court ordered programs, advertising, self-proclaimed experts, on-line PhD�s, consultants and contractors � whose sole mission is to ensure their future employment by keeping everyone thinking about what makes them different, instead of what brings them together.
Anyone able to see past the smoke and mirrors will quickly come to the following conclusions:
1. They are not the sharpest tools in the shed. 2. They overcompensate in all they do. 3. They are insecure. 4. What they cannot find, they will invent. 5. They do not really support diversity - they enforce compliance with their world view. 6. In the end it is always about the money.
I've had my fill of diversity........just another way of reverse discrimination & affirmative action & it's very close, along with other levels of overbearing government, that have the country as we have known it, close to death.
Diversity is a morally neutral thing. In and of itself, it is meaningless.
It most certainly isn't "good" or "bad." It just is. To tout it as a virtue is wrong.
Me, well, if a team of all black doctors came up with a cure for whatever was ailing me, I damn sure wouldn't refuse to use said cure because the team of doctors wasn't "diverse" enough.
Your larger corporations actually have diversity departments. They tend to create misery throughout the entire organization, while being publicly praised for their important contributions. Garbage!!!!!!!
One of the primary mantras of the left, is how valuable America's diversity is. I'm kinda wondering about that. In the past, our diversity was not all that diverse. Think about who settled the Country. Mostly, if not almost exclusively Northern Europeans. Later, the Irish and Italians flooded in, but in essence, they were much the same. I guess the biggest difference was they were Catholic, and they settled in the Cities, not the rural areas. Yeah, we had blacks coming in, but at the time, they were not a long term asset. Now though, we have the black community, the homo community, the hispanic community, the asian community, the recipient class community, the disabled community, the dope smoking community, the illegal alien community...............NONE of which want to be Americans. They are here to take. TONS of 'diversity', but much of that is of benefit to the Country. Instead, much of that diversity is a drain, a cancer. They contribute little, they take a lot. Their insistence on maintaining THEIR cultural identity is destroying OUR cultural identity. Not to paint with too broad a brush, but the white middle class community, if we can call ourselves that, is what is holding it all together, paying for all those other free rides. Now all those other 'communities' are proud of their identity, and are praised for being proud. However, let a person in the white middle class say how proud THEY are of being white, or successful, then all of those other communities come down with both feet, condemning, castigating, calling us racist, and in general attacking us. We have Black Pride, homo pride, hispanic pride, asian pride, poor pride..........but we are not allowed to have any white pride. Here at UF, we have the black student union, the hispanic student union, the muslim student union, the homo student union.........all paid for by the white kids, but is there a white student union? God forbid!! I'm getting a little sick of it all.
Let's say I believe much of what you said - question is "what do we do to turn the tide?" Other than preaching to the choir....
Saul Alinsky taught that one must first disorganize a community before it can be organized. Diversity is being used for divisiveness to accomplish this end by our �rganizer in chief.
America has always been the great melting pot, but historically the immigrants learned to speak English and assimilated into the diverse common culture that made us great. Now however, people are not required to learn the common language and become part of the great mixture. Hope it is not a fatal mistake but I am worried. When I go to Walmart and find Asian and Mexican food sections but no Eastern Eurpoean or Scandinivan food sections I raise a fuss since I am descended from first generation immigrants from those countries. When discussing it with the Black manager, he says they don't have those sections and when I ask if the store is racist, he gets all crazy and threatens to call the cops. Probably worse in other areas of the country but MN is generally pretty tolerant of diversity but not that store!
Typical of anything from the radical left... it was foreseen a long time ago, and was explain in simple terms with the Children's Story... "the King's New Clothes"...
They think if they keep telling us what they want us to see, instead of believing what we actually see...
If the liberal left is supporting and promoting something... you darn well know it is not for the benefit of this nation, that's for darn sure...
Let's say I believe much of what you said - question is "what do we do to turn the tide?" Other than preaching to the choir....
I sure wish I knew what 'we' could do to turn the tide. If I had the answer, maybe I could do the talk show circuit, or run for Congress. Best I can do from here, being old and frail, is to keep a dialog going, and hopefully one of you young whipper snappers can go out and man the ramparts.
Diversity for diversity's sake seems a waste of time to me. But I have to admit that it seems to be the modus operandi for both political parties. Identity politics is, has been, and looks to continue to be the prime battleground for US politics. I'd rather we have a melting of cultures and an emerging commonality but immigration levels and self segregation seem to preclude that option.
But is it "killing America"?
Honestly there looks to be a lot of killers out there and diversity may be one but it sure as hell ain't the only one. Or even the most important one IMvHO. But I think it is important to distinguish the "killing of America" from the "death of the American empire". They are two radically different things. This empire of ours in some ways is very different from anything that has come before. At the same time it is exactly the same in other ways.
Yes, I do believe the US "empire" is dying. Beyond any shadow of a doubt. But I'm not sure that America proper is a lost cause though it is in for some very real pain over the next few decades. But I think the same could be said for most countries.
Call me what you want, but I don't want an America that resembles some Central American shanty sheit hole, and especially not one that resembles any Muslim society whatsoever. And most certainly not one that takes in welfare candidates. If you bring nothing to the party, you're not invited. PERIOD.
I'm all for legal immigration, but I also don't want us just taking in anybody. I prefer people who take care of their property, want the opportunity to work, and want to be American first. All the rest can phug off.
