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By Elana Schor
The House voted Friday to approve the Keystone XL pipeline, seizing on the momentum from a Nebraska Supreme Court ruling hours earlier that removed the last major legal obstacle to building the politically charged oil project.
Now the action moves to the Senate, which will take up its version of the Keystone bill next week. Taken together, the vote on the Hill and the court decision will put the issue squarely in the hands of President Barack Obama, who has put off making a decision on the Canada-to-U.S. oil artery during his six years in the White House
...with 266 House members voting to approve the project, including 28 Democrats.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...stone-pipeline-114114.html#ixzz3ONJntXz1
Well...it's something. I just hate to get too excited this early in the game.
Don't overlook the "Veto pen".
Originally Posted by LeonHitchcox
Don't overlook the "Veto pen".



Don't overlook the 28 House Democrats that voted for this bill.

Starting next week we will find out how many Senate Democrats will vote for this bill.
Originally Posted by LeonHitchcox
Don't overlook the "Veto pen".


Or current/forecast ROI...
Bring the bill into the senate and have a vote.

1. send the bill to the Obama for veto, sign or let it lay.
2. get on record the senators who voted for and against the bill.

Gives the house and senate the chance to see if they can over ride the veto, it it happens.
Hey, if O vetoes everything sent to him in the next two years, he'll leave his real legacy and expose himself for what he really is.....just a community organizer, nothing more, nothing less.

Veto away............
I would send him a bill almost daily, and let the American people know what each and every one of them was, when it was sent up for signature and what the whether it was approved or not.

Keep a running tally and see who the real party of NO is.
Low information voters, of which there are many, will not care, because somebody's uncle said, or Good Morning America said, etc.
The spincrazy lefties are agenda driven, and capable of anything
to force America to their way of thinking. It may get pretty ugly.
But I still agree with you.
Originally Posted by Hawk_Driver
I would send him a bill almost daily, and let the American people know what each and every one of them was, when it was sent up for signature and what the whether it was approved or not.

Keep a running tally and see who the real party of NO is.


Yup . . .
Honest question- anyone looked at why we might not want the pipeline?

I admit I heard oil...Canada...jobs....Obama...and like most decided where I stood. Started looking in to it and am not so sure any more.

Kabuki dance.

Most of the dems that vote for it won't stay on to vote for an override.

Kabuki dance.

Most of the dems that vote for it won't stay on to vote for an override.

only one thing matters with this pipeline issue. Do the elephants have enough votes in the Senate, to over ride obama? They need 67..........
This is the one that could put Zero's tit in the wringer.
Originally Posted by CCCC
This is the one that could put Zero's tit in the wringer.


He's had his tit in a wringer ever since he took office.

Nothing gets done about it, and liberals idolize him.
Originally Posted by Hawk_Driver
I would send him a bill almost daily, and let the American people know what each and every one of them was, when it was sent up for signature and what the whether it was approved or not.

Keep a running tally and see who the real party of NO is.


Exactly!!
Originally Posted by Wacenturion
Hey, if O vetoes everything sent to him in the next two years, he'll leave his real legacy and expose himself for what he really is.....just a community organizer, nothing more, nothing less.

Veto away............


Yeah, because that will make the phoucs that voted for him admit they were wrong......not.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
only one thing matters with this pipeline issue. Do the elephants have enough votes in the Senate, to over ride obama? They need 67..........


That is not the only thing that matters with this pipeline issue. Him vetoing the bill...will become the thing that matters.

Originally Posted by kenjs1
Honest question- anyone looked at why we might not want the pipeline?

I admit I heard oil...Canada...jobs....Obama...and like most decided where I stood. Started looking in to it and am not so sure any more.



As much as I agree with passing the bill, Kenjs captures my sentiment. Ialso noticed EdM asking about ROI which is a fair question. Have we asked/ do we know what are the benefits to the U.S. other than the jobs that will come with the construction of the pipeline.? Do we get a percentage of the oil at a specified price? Are we going to do any refining? In short, once it's in, are there any benefits besides taking tourist pictures?
Can't answer all of your questions...but I can answer one you did not ask. Will it give us an option to sending our money to countries like Saudi Arabia and the like? Yes
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
only one thing matters with this pipeline issue. Do the elephants have enough votes in the Senate, to over ride obama? They need 67..........


That is not the only thing that matters with this pipeline issue. Him vetoing the bill...will become the thing that matters.



Obummer's supporters will be pleased, his opponents will jump up and down pointing at him and yelling, "See what he did!"..

Nothing will change.

This is the stuff that wins primaries, not general elections.
Originally Posted by Rancho_Loco
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
only one thing matters with this pipeline issue. Do the elephants have enough votes in the Senate, to over ride obama? They need 67..........


That is not the only thing that matters with this pipeline issue. Him vetoing the bill...will become the thing that matters.



Obummer's supporters will be pleased, his opponents will jump up and down pointing at him and yelling, "See what he did!"..

Nothing will change.

This is the stuff that wins primaries, not general elections.


One thing will have changed. Legislation will have passed the Senate.

There are around 300 other pieces of legislation that the House has passed awaiting the same.

If he must veto, let him veto twice a day for the rest of his term.
And what gets done?
Great. More political theater. Yea us!
To get things done you then pressure dem congresscritters to over ride thats how to do it...
Originally Posted by Rancho_Loco
And what gets done?


Favorable legislation is passed by Congress.
Originally Posted by Rancho_Loco
Great. More political theater. Yea us!


Stay away from your firearms. You seem much too pessimistic about life at the moment. Hunting season bout over?
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Originally Posted by Rancho_Loco
And what gets done?


Veto bait is passed by Congress.


Fixed it for you..

Originally Posted by Wacenturion
... expose himself for what he really is.....just a community organizer, nothing more, nothing less...


and not a very good one at that.

Alan
Originally Posted by Rancho_Loco
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Originally Posted by Rancho_Loco
And what gets done?


Veto bait is passed by Congress.


Fixed it for you..



You against huntin over bait?
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
By Elana Schor
The House voted Friday to approve the Keystone XL pipeline, seizing on the momentum from a Nebraska Supreme Court ruling hours earlier that removed the last major legal obstacle to building the politically charged oil project.
Now the action moves to the Senate, which will take up its version of the Keystone bill next week. Taken together, the vote on the Hill and the court decision will put the issue squarely in the hands of President Barack Obama, who has put off making a decision on the Canada-to-U.S. oil artery during his six years in the White House
...with 266 House members voting to approve the project, including 28 Democrats.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...stone-pipeline-114114.html#ixzz3ONJntXz1


meanwhile at the White House, in the oval office.. the general consensus is "SO WHAT???"
Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
By Elana Schor
The House voted Friday to approve the Keystone XL pipeline, seizing on the momentum from a Nebraska Supreme Court ruling hours earlier that removed the last major legal obstacle to building the politically charged oil project.
Now the action moves to the Senate, which will take up its version of the Keystone bill next week. Taken together, the vote on the Hill and the court decision will put the issue squarely in the hands of President Barack Obama, who has put off making a decision on the Canada-to-U.S. oil artery during his six years in the White House
...with 266 House members voting to approve the project, including 28 Democrats.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...stone-pipeline-114114.html#ixzz3ONJntXz1


meanwhile at the White House, in the oval office.. the general consensus is "SO WHAT???"


Finish the quote. "SO WHAT??" Moochell, when we leave the White House...yo momma got-to-go!!"
As Krauthammer just said...Obama can no longer hide under Harry Reid's desk.

Dingy Harry has vetoed hundreds of bills for Obama.


Now the crosshairs shift.
So long $4 gallon gas. Maybe even $3. US drilling did that, now Canada cinches it.
Apparently this is too complicated for some members to follow, so here is the cheat sheet.

#1 Oil was expensive, but now it is cheap. It WILL go up again, and when it does, Keystone will be in place holding it down to manageable levels.

#2 Cheap oil, on the international market, crushes our enemies. Expensive oil funds terrorist and Russia.

#3 Keystone, and dozens of other bills suppressed by the Democrat Senate are popular with the American public. The press has been able to ignore them because they never saw the light of day under Reid. Now, with republicans forcing Obama to veto them, someone, sooner or later will ask Hillary (with cameras running) �would you have vetoed this bill ?�
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Can't answer all of your questions...but I can answer one you did not ask. Will it give us an option to sending our money to countries like Saudi Arabia and the like? Yes



See that's just it, I am not 100% sure about that. I want to be sure rather than just follow my first thought which was hell yeah do it- if only to take money away from Soros and Buffet. Democrats are forever lining their pockets by killing our energy- ala Clinton's Grand Staircase Escalante Monument boondoggle. Natural to want to screw them back but would rather do what is best. Maybe that means building the pipeline but want to hear the negatives and weigh against the positives and do it is for the right reasons.
It's a double wall pipe with sensors in between. Might be the safest pipeline ever. Funded entirely by our best friends to the north with connections to the oilfields in the Dakotas. Ever seen a pipeline map, it looks like a spiderweb.

Honestly, it's freekin Canada not Venezuela and they're going to pipe it to a coast somewhere eventually. You expect them to sit on the worlds third largest oil reserves?

We have refineries idle because they are set up up for heavy crude from Venezuela, that mismanaged fuel rich hellhole imports fuel now. Most of the heavy crude from the north will be refined in Texas in those same refineries.

Thank God for Texas. Same for our good friends north, not good taking friends for granted.
You'd think Zero would have been smart enough to get out ahead on this, and pushed the pipeline through himself along with all the Dems, and stole the thunder right out from under the Repubs. The dude don't know how to lead.
Originally Posted by Anaconda
Apparently this is too complicated for some members to follow, so here is the cheat sheet.

#1 Oil was expensive, but now it is cheap. It WILL go up again, and when it does, Keystone will be in place holding it down to manageable levels.

#2 Cheap oil, on the international market, crushes our enemies. Expensive oil funds terrorist and Russia.

#3 Keystone, and dozens of other bills suppressed by the Democrat Senate are popular with the American public. The press has been able to ignore them because they never saw the light of day under Reid. Now, with republicans forcing Obama to veto them, someone, sooner or later will ask Hillary (with cameras running) �would you have vetoed this bill ?�


Thank you! Why can these dumbasses see that OPEC is doing to oil what China did to manufacturing?
After the traitor in chief vetoes this I hope enough democreeps cross over and shove this thing right up Skeeters azz.
National Nurses United � 1199 SEIU Health Care Workers East � Amalgamated Transit Union � New York State Nurses Association � National Domestic Workers Alliance


We are five unions/workers organizations representing workers in nursing, health and domestic care, and public transport.

We are opposed to the proposed Keystone XL tar sands pipeline. If fully constructed, it will bring dirty tar sands oil through the United States and to the global oil market at a time when we should be drawing the line against the most carbon polluting fossil fuel in order to protect public health, defend the rights of farmers, ranchers and native communities, and avoid out of control levels of global warming and climate instability.

Climate change is already wreaking havoc in areas of the world - like the Caribbean, the Philippines and Central and South America - where many of our members have families and loved ones. The present drought in California, the wildfires across the Western and Central United States, and killer storms like Katrina and Sandy are enough to demonstrate that climate change is also affecting the United States.

From the ground to the pipe to the refineries, Keystone XL's tar sands oil, with its thick, dirty, corrosive properties, poses a clear and present danger to public health. Toxic contaminants in the massive water needed for extraction are infecting clean water supplies, with towns nearby in Alberta experiencing spikes in cancer deaths, renal failure, lupus, and hyperthyroidism. Huge pipeline spills near Marshall, MI and Mayflower, AR have led to respiratory ailments and other health ills. Pollutants from tar sands refineries are linked to heart and lung disease, asthma, and cancer. Federal policy should be guided by the precautionary principle and must uphold public health and safety above all else.

The Keystone XL jobs numbers claimed by the oil industry and its backers in Congress are not based on sound research. The southern leg of the pipeline has already been built, and yet the job numbers the oil industry and their political allies claim will be created by the project seem to keep on rising.

We are for jobs. There is no shortage of water and sewage pipelines that need to be fixed or replaced, bridges and tunnels that are in need of emergency repair, transportation infrastructure that needs to be renewed and developed. Many thousands of jobs could also be created in energy conservation, upgrading the grid, maintaining and expanding public transportation--jobs that can help us reduce air pollution, greenhouse gas emissions, and improve energy efficiency.

Congress is not set up to be a permitting authority, and this pipeline doesn't even have an approved route. The ongoing review process should continue, and the decades-long precedent of having the Executive Branch make decisions on cross-border projects should not be overturned.
The situation hasn't changed now. The only difference will be that Tyrant Obama the Liar will veto the bills now. The Republicans surrendered all their power by fund all of the Tyrant's insanity for almost a whole year.
Who knows an exact number of jobs.

But if you ever seen a big inch line come through a small town it's a traveling boon for 6-8 months. One town to the next.

From survey to clearing to trenching to welders to the hands that plant grass.

The campgrounds will be full and grocery stores and coffee shops will be happy.
That's about the most liberal thing I have read in a few days....

They don't want that "dirty" oil even coming across U.S. soil in pipeline?

I guess their cars are fueled by the "clean" oil produced here and Saudi Arabia?

Idiots. As well as bought and paid for.


Originally Posted by ltppowell
National Nurses United � 1199 SEIU Health Care Workers East � Amalgamated Transit Union � New York State Nurses Association � National Domestic Workers Alliance


We are five unions/workers organizations representing workers in nursing, health and domestic care, and public transport.

We are opposed to the proposed Keystone XL tar sands pipeline. If fully constructed, it will bring dirty tar sands oil through the United States and to the global oil market at a time when we should be drawing the line against the most carbon polluting fossil fuel in order to protect public health, defend the rights of farmers, ranchers and native communities, and avoid out of control levels of global warming and climate instability.

Climate change is already wreaking havoc in areas of the world - like the Caribbean, the Philippines and Central and South America - where many of our members have families and loved ones. The present drought in California, the wildfires across the Western and Central United States, and killer storms like Katrina and Sandy are enough to demonstrate that climate change is also affecting the United States.

From the ground to the pipe to the refineries, Keystone XL's tar sands oil, with its thick, dirty, corrosive properties, poses a clear and present danger to public health. Toxic contaminants in the massive water needed for extraction are infecting clean water supplies, with towns nearby in Alberta experiencing spikes in cancer deaths, renal failure, lupus, and hyperthyroidism. Huge pipeline spills near Marshall, MI and Mayflower, AR have led to respiratory ailments and other health ills. Pollutants from tar sands refineries are linked to heart and lung disease, asthma, and cancer. Federal policy should be guided by the precautionary principle and must uphold public health and safety above all else.

The Keystone XL jobs numbers claimed by the oil industry and its backers in Congress are not based on sound research. The southern leg of the pipeline has already been built, and yet the job numbers the oil industry and their political allies claim will be created by the project seem to keep on rising.

We are for jobs. There is no shortage of water and sewage pipelines that need to be fixed or replaced, bridges and tunnels that are in need of emergency repair, transportation infrastructure that needs to be renewed and developed. Many thousands of jobs could also be created in energy conservation, upgrading the grid, maintaining and expanding public transportation--jobs that can help us reduce air pollution, greenhouse gas emissions, and improve energy efficiency.

Congress is not set up to be a permitting authority, and this pipeline doesn't even have an approved route. The ongoing review process should continue, and the decades-long precedent of having the Executive Branch make decisions on cross-border projects should not be overturned.
The libs' cars run on rainbows and unicorn farts
If oil continues staying low, as I expect it to, Canada will be in a serious world of hurt.
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