...that tried and proven life long male friend or that piece of ass who you're falling for and who hates your friend?

From my perspective, no piece of ass, regardless of how spectacular, beats a true male friendship.

Ask Gus, he's into that sort of deep thinking.

And what kind of meaningful friendship do you have to offer to someone that you regard as 'a piece of ass' ?

I recall discussing this with a friend decades ago.
All the girls from those days are gone, and he is still my friend.

ok, you ask for it.

the need to breed, reproduce, cum into a vagina, is a high order priority.

to turn down a good piece of ass is a weakness of the species.

being able to breed is a part of our heritage. ya know?

people kill each other over sex. the next day, they wonder why that happened. lol.

Withholding decision till I see pics of the "piece of ass".!

This....

I don't think I have ever had female friends. Lots of girl friends, acquaintances, but no friends. You know, folks you hang out with, share deep thoughts with, go through the good and bad times with......
Several of my old buds from elementary school, highschool and college are still my closest friends.
..........wife excepted of course, she is a dang good friend.

Clearly you're not aiming high enough on the piece of ass (which shall henceforth be referred to as Piece).

The Piece is judged not only by looks and ability in the sack, but at some point you have to talk to the Piece. And any seriously good Piece will be a joy to talk to and hang out with, AND if she likes you, she probably ought to get along with your friends. No she doesn't have to accept your friend as her friend, but she needs to understand what's important to you, and respect your friends and your time with them. Otherwise, she's a low quality Piece and not really worth your time.

I would see my friend behind Her back!!!!!! until I got tired of the piece of ass....It wont take long........

Having relationship problems?

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Sorry to hear of your impending divorce, Bob.

Tell Travis i wish yall the best.

I ask only because of a consultation related to a Pre-Nup I'm preparing. Soon to be wife hates husband's best friend. Husband is leaving his best friend a jealous chunk of change...and a sizable business interest in a venture,all to the exclusion imminent wife. For Pre-Nups to be valid and free of cognizable lawyer interference, full disclosure must be made.

My client is simply sorting it out. I've given my advice.

I'm now trying to validate it, that's all.

Hit it and quit it, then laugh about her dumbass with your friend.

No brainer.

He's not my friend. He's a client.

I did express how I'd personally roll as a person/friend.

That isn't always the best advice to give another.

Bro's before Doe's

Advise your client to dump the woman and forget the marriage.
There's some serious problems in store for him if he goes ahead with wedding plans

Yep,..Bros might not stick with you till the Bitter end, but they'll stay long after the Hoes are gone..

Soon to be wife is pissed that friend gets big cash and a sizable chunk of the business.

Any woman that would be concerned about that isn't marriage material anyway. Her true motives are obvious.

She needs kicked to the curb.

Ditch the bitch. Any woman that dislikes my friend so much that she insists that I remove him completely from my life has more emotional problems than I want to deal with.

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That came up.So did him desperately wanting to marry her. So did him knowing his wife was going to find out he was keeping a promise to his friend. So did hedging the truth. So did that not being a option.

As I said, I gave my advice. Just curious as to the thoughts of my 24H jury pool.

a threesome might smooth things over between all parties

Paragraph numbered 18 specifically precludes her from doing that!

Sounds like one more lawyer joke - only not funny.

Good friends are hard to find and when found should be cherished.

It's his life but it sounds like it won't last long.

Ever consider writing for Penthouse Forum?

Never pegged you as a queer.

do they pay with actual greenbacks, or is it all for free, like on this site?

No sir. It's actually a common scenario with Pre-Nup preparation; with the exception of a 3rd party interest that has only been guaranteed by the long ago promise of a friend rather than an actual written contract.

To be frank, I was more than impressed to know these type friends/handshake folks still existed.

If the POA and the BF are both acquaintances of one another then the triangle could be harmful to all involved.

But I think I should have read past Gus' first post

Are you "coming out" Bob?

Both of my ex-wives had serious problems with my bro's. In the first case I knuckled under (young & stupid) and in the second I told her to knock it off, she didn't, and we ended up parting ways.

I'm unlikely to marry again, but if I do, it will be to a woman who fits comfortably with the people who already fit comfortably in my life... my good friends, my kids, my sisters. Any woman who has problems with them is not a good fit for me. I've learned that the hard way.

I'd advise your friend to pitch that bitch. Any man who "desperately wants to marry" some woman is bewitched... and when he wakes up to cold reality, he's not gonna be happy.

Very true but I'm simply tasked with preparing a Pre-nup that protects the wishes of my client.

reading comprehension isn't a strong point for some on here...



.. but webster got it.

Pimp for a day?

Both of my ex-wives had serious problems with my bro's.
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He has no ex-wives, doc. He's rather young, quite wealthy, in love and desiring to marry another he's been seeing for years and afraid to let her know his buddy may become the millionaire, rather than her, upon their divorce, were it to happen.

Sounds to me like she's already trying to run his life and that relationship isn't going to end well.

Dude needs to run and not look back.

I wasn't implying that he had. I'm simply sharing the benefit of my hard-won experience. Better for him to never marry such a woman, and to wait for a woman who can fit into his life (including his friendships) comfortably. This woman clearly can't.

Do the assets go to the friend if said husband to be dies, or divorces the bride ?

Any woman who would make you lose a life long friend is the one to ditch. If she is that controlling from the start you are in for a rough ride.

Thats why I brought Deb to a Campfire hog hunt if she could tolerate you reprobates I figured shes worth letting hang around.
Hell she still talks about Doc showing her how to eat crawdads ripping the head off and just sticking it in her mouth TFF

If you're charging him the "Campfire Consultation Fee", I want my commission.

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The soon to be husband wishes only to insure that his promise to his friend is fulfilled and that portion of his pre-marital estate isn't subject to a marital assets division his wife could make a claim to, should they divorce.

It's truly one of those promises between friends. My client is one of those unique men who chooses to honor it. But because there is nothing in writing between the friends, the wife could later say screw you both and go for it. Thus,the Pre-Nup.

I'll admit it's been a long, long time since I have been involved with a handshake promise that entailed more than a million bucks.

I thought it something our grandfathers did, not us.

So this young guy really wants to marry this gal.
This young guy has a really good friend he's has or is going to will money/property to.

Young guy needs to prepay his divorce, say 50,000 now.
Young guys needs to set up trust of all property/money.
Young guy really likes this gal, so he does need to set aside some money for this future wife in a different trust.

Thanks, and sorry I couldn't quite grasp what you were saying.
So the guy is a stand-up type guy that wants to honor a promise to friend! That's great, now he just needs to grow a pair.

Two of my ex-wives hated my best friend... just because he was my best friend. Three of 'em liked my friends.

The two that didn't were crazy. It showed up later in other ways.

Your client needs to ditch the woman. If he is hell bent on having her, he needs to do right by his male friend in the pre-nup. And if she raises hell.... he needs to just get used to it, there will be MUCH more coming.

Hey Bob, is future wife worth big money too?

Keep trying the females, you may learn to like it.

still as big as dumbass as ever I see.......

Can she sucks start a Harley?

Ok, guy needs to do a contract on whatever the handshake was about. Do a legal binding contract making this friend part of the business right now.

and you're still checking out men's ass'; whats new.

Yes he is Keith.

OK Bob, my prospective on this looks like it will differ a little from the rest of the Fire.

I have a good wife and I have long time good friends. Some of my friends are not her best buddies but she is a good woman and puts up with them just as I put up with some of her friends. It is a give and take thing that should be in every marriage relationship.

Your client is wealthy and wants to marry. The Pre-Nup that gives me pause. I do not believe a solid marriage can be formed when a Pre-Nup is involved. It shows a lack of real trust and if there is no trust then there is no bases for a solid marriage.

I am not any form of legal scholar but couldn't the business could be handled by the Corp documents stating it would go to the friend or what percentage would go the the friend in case of death of either party?

It also would seem to me that someone who loved a woman enough to want to marry would also wand to leave some of his estate to the wife at his passing. If Not a reasonable amount then again there is no foundation for marriage.

Just some of my thoughts for whatever they might be worth.

Wtxj, settle down, I never said there was hope for you and keithie to like women.

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I believe he does have a pair. It's why he's paying bank to address it. I respect him for his approach. I'd like to believe I'd do the same thing.

Further, I have no idea how the woman or her attorney might respond. I only know she hates the friend and she's likely to be non-plussed when she fully realizes the full wealth of my client and that a chunk of it is going to go to the hated guy. Then again, she may say "fine, where do I sign?"

If I only knew stoners could make the money they make developing computer games, I might have paid more attention to those school classes.

Let's see your the guy who goes to A&M, has the pit bull dogs and Dad is a retired Leo that lives in Dallas. Right.

Still and AH I see.

There are friends and then there are friends. If the client has the maturity of Doug Hefernin and the friend has the personality of Eddie Haskell, the fiance might be right. But even then the client may prove unable to live a life at her expected level of maturity.

If the friend it a time-tested friend of the highest order, a righteous and upstanding man unlikely to lead the client into criminality, immorality, deception, excessive risk, etc. then the fiance is just sharpening her domineering position and needs to be dumped quick.

That all you got dipschit? BTW you are the one talking about men's asses....

You're more than gender confused, wrong on all accounts; although I sometimes tell my Brittany she's a pitbull. Difference is, she knows I'm kidding.

keithie I'm pretty sure that was you handing out the judgment on men's asses. We all have our specialty, that just seems to be yours.

When you want it bad, you get it bad.

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Perhaps you're right. I'm not a marriage counselor, though.

I've simply been asked to prepare a contract.

Scott...... forget about the guy dying. THAT ain't what Bob's talking about. A WILL takes care of the dying part.

This is about how THE COUPLE'S assets will be divided in case of a divorce. The Client figures he owes a portion of his business to a long time friend.

He wants the friend's portion to be free and clear and not subject to any argument between the COUPLE in the event of a divorce.

And if either party has sizable assets at the time of a marriage, a Pre Nup makes for a better marriage.

Bob does Karen know about our handshake deal?

You anonymous cowards are such a joy to deal with,Dick.

The sheriff's department can loosen your ankle bracelet if it's too tight.

Bob doesn't know about Karen and my deal, and unfortunately, I couldn't line him up when we were hunting together.

Got it. But still stick with my thoughts on Pre-Nup. If he is afraid of divorce then he is not 100% committed to the marriage and that lack of commitment will become a sore spot that will most likely cause a divorce. Th make a marriage work a 50/50 deal will not work. It take a 100/100 to have a chance.

If you are not 100/100 then he is better off renting her.

I'm new here but it is pretty well apparent that you are the horses ass in this instance. Between you, spanokopitas, and savage_99 I don't know who is the worst troll.

Females come and go, good friends are for life.

Jim

Yea, asking for permission to bequeath your man friend is such a brave act.

We'll just put you in the corner with those with tender feelings for men.

You're a trolling [bleep].... you get to pick the gender of the [bleep].

Nothing worse than someone who doesn't have a higher passion for their man friend over a woman they're going to marry, is that it curdog? Another for the man love corner.

I love haw a simple question can become a pissing match is just seconds.

I have no memory of that happening...

Awww richardnoggin you are so witty. Even a newbie has you pegged Good thing for you breathing is an automatic reflex.

You forgot. Marry in a state with no alimony.

Well, it was actually 2 hours and 22 minutes from the OP to Richard Austin's first smarmy post, but as per RA's usual modus operandi the thread has gone from friendly discussion to accusations of sexual deviancy in short order...

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You're definitely a "this is your brain on drugs" kind of idiot, Dick.

Keep striving for mediocrity,lightweight.

The piece of ass.

Until I finish.

Life is fluid. Adapt and overcome.



Travis

I don't know,...but regardless,.. the answer you get offa forum where the average member only has 13 gray hairs still hangin' off his bag cain't count as a representative sample of the general population.

Uhhh, nevermind. lol

Well Doc, I guess each has their own values of the bonds of matrimony. If you envision a marriage in say the muslim tradition of a contract, whether temporary or on going, then this could be a reasonable question. On the other hand if one has the moral simplicity to stand on principle of not needing a divorce trigger to re-access one's commitments, then the OP is a bit trifling by nature.

Marriage is potenially a sacrament, but is always a contract. The contractual view of marriage isn't limited to Muslims... anthropologically, the marriage contract is one of the few things that universal in nearly all cultures.

I have no problem with the OP question, and do not find it trifling at all.

too many words in this question, anyway.

You could have gotten a pretty good idea of where everybody here stands on the issue just by jumpin' up and hollerin', "PUZZY OR OATMEAL?!"

I dunno either, Bristoe... but I had a long talk with my parish priest yesterday, at the end of which we both agreed that all the grey hairs we got hangin' off various parts of our anatomy (primarily our heads) have been hard-earned, and the life lessons we have picked up in the gathering of said grey hairs can--theoretically at least--perhaps be shared with younger members of the species so as to help them avoid the pain of, oh, say, hittin' theyselves in the balls with a hammer.

Me: Kid, don't hit y'self in the balls with a hammer.

Kid: OW!

Me: Toldja.

i have two friends, who are true outlaws that i've known since we were kids they've lead hard life's. every once in a while one will stop by here needing a place to stay for a few days.
the old lady don't like it but wont question me on it. there but for the grace of god go i, and either one would give me their last dollar if i needed it. women don't understand friendship.

lolol,...

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Haiku is 5-7-5, you frikken dummy. Here, let me help

The fine piece of ass

Won't overcome my fluids

Until I finish

Bout time somebody schooled Travis on SOMEthin.

Hey folks..."Puzzy Or Oatmeal"?

I told Karen she'd warm up to you eventually, I guess not.

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Doc...It's tiring trying to help the Community College tards. Even the cops on the 24H don't take this much effort.

In response to the OP's question........99% of men are nookie boys. And that's what comes first. Watched this my entire 51 years.

The basis of most relationships is a very simple one. She gives up the nookie.........and he gives up the money.........and everything else.

In my 51 years I've never seen one differently. Sure don't know why you macho dudes are posting anything different on this thread. Who are you trying to fool? I know what the facts is. I've watched it many a time for a looooong time. Buddy's come second.

Figured you for a catcher.

He knows whats the facts is, though.

In that case, most men dont give up money and everything for a freind. OTOH, they dont often have to.

Since she "hates" his close friend, the marriage is off to a incompatible start, and will someday fester until it boils over.

His wife should be his best friend, and if they are compatible, she would not hate his close friends.

Didn't you begin this thread asking for opinions??? And then you don't wanna here them? WTF?

hmmmmmm,....interesting concept. It's never occurred to me to ask my wife for her opinion of my friends. In fact, now that I've thought about it,.. it's probably best that she thinks they're all azzholes.

One that she likes is liable to end up hosin' her.

I don't really care what happens after I prepare the contract.

I'm just a fantastic, frikken lawyer, not the CEO of Match.Com.

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Hang in there, sock-puppet!!!

I'll vouch for both statements

I just hope the "piece of azz" also has a fantastic, frikken lawyer.

bros before hoes

All well and good in theory, but when you're standing in front of a divorce judge trying to get out of a marriage to an adulterous spouse & looking at being left destitute because of it the reality is a bit different. The divorce laws are broken in this country. Until they get fixed anyone bringing assets into a marriage, any marriage, is a fool to marry without a pre-nup.

The fellow in question doesn't need a pre-nup, he needs to stop the marriage now. Any woman that doesn't respect him enough to get along with his friends is not marriage material. She's showing exactly what her reason for marrying him is, and it's not love. There is never a case where a partner should cause a rift between a person and a lifelong friend or family.

This will not end well for him.

Marriage is a contract in the good old US of A, plain and simple, hence Pre-Nups.

Pre-Nups should be a requisite to marriage, imo.

If one disagrees; fine, pay a divorce lawyer 25-100K instead of a couple thousand bucks.

I hate Pre-Nups!

I love stag parties!

Seems like he and richardaustin have that in common. RA has a fixation of the gay kind too from his posts.

Like some contracts, marriage has an escape clause, the old "till death do us part"
Too bad I forgot that part when I needed it.

Soooo DG and SH,

Any man who is a truly, tough man and doesn't give into a cumcatcher every day of his life and can stand his ground against being whipped is a [bleep]?

Your weakness and loserdom is pathetic.....and now obvious.......cuz you posted it right here, LOL.

I'm not the one that posted about Buddy's come.

Is your client really giving this guy a million $$4 just because they are friends, or did this friend actually do something of value in a business sense?


This is weird, why doesn't your client just give him what is his? Or is your client really a million $$ sap?

To answer the original question, the millionaire boy is infatuated and needs to grow up. Dump the bitch and move on. There are plenty of ho's to spill his seed in.

I like it Bob, you're making a few bucks on the prenup

but stand to make good $$$ on the upcoming divorce


and there WILL be a divorce down the road

wang dang sweet poontang, ahhhh the stuff life is made of

until you get that part outa your system and realized you either married a good person or a beatch


ditch my best friend???

Sure right after I F you countless times you'll be my new BFF, then I'll ditch your azz and go have a beer with my bro

F me he won't even be mad, it'll be "where you been hoss? missed ya"


now try that chit in reverse? leave your woman alone for 6 mos. and then try and resume like it's no big deal?


bwahahaha

"now try that chit in reverse? leave your woman alone for 6 mos. and then try and resume like it's no big deal?"

No chit!

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Great question(s).

The friend has creditor/bankruptcy issues that factor into the equation. I do not represent the friend nor have I spoken to him.

My client has no problem with financially providing for his soon to be wife conditioned upon her full anticipated performance of the enabling/requisite provisions of the Pre-Nup.

My client simply wishes to insure that he's fully disclosed that there is a portion of his estate that is earmarked for a 3rd party and is to remain a distinct, separate asset, not subject to equitable distribution or gross income computations.

My explanation to Scott F was shorter than yours, but I don't get paid by the word.

"Scott...... forget about the guy dying. THAT ain't what Bob's talking about. A WILL takes care of the dying part.

This is about how THE COUPLE'S assets will be divided in case of a divorce. The Client figures he owes a portion of his business to a long time friend.

He wants the friend's portion to be free and clear and not subject to any argument between the COUPLE in the event of a divorce."

Precisely.

Gene...when my clients are very wealthy, I can be really, really, really wordy!!!

Refer to the "Wife doesn't love me thread"
Likely they will tell you to contact a "FEMALE" attorney. GW

I leave that up to Kamo.

He's Korean.



Travis

I can't find it now on Utube, but a few years ago there was a commercial where a couple are embracing, and the pretty young woman, says, "Yes Joe, I'll marry you, I love everything about you!!" They embrace again, but this time you see the woman looking around his house. She looks at a rock concert poster. Bing! It turns into a flower painting. She looks at his motorcycle. Bing! it's a now a minivan. She looks at his dog, a big Rottweiler. Bing! It's now a poodle!

I can see the logic of the prenup in this case, protecting Issac's client, in a fairly unusual situation.

Women WILL play the game of marrying a guy, THEN demanding he change something major in his life, or otherwise do some other big reveal. It's happened to me. If it's a reasonable request, i.e. don't gamble so much, fine, that's part of a healthy give & take. But when she wants him to make some major change in his life, what she may really want is a different person.

Ah hah! Now it makes perfect sense & I see why you make the big $$!

Those guys really are true buds!

Wow! There are a lot of "if's" that can sway that decision.

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True that. It's why one has a Pre-Nup.

Apparently Blackheart didn't.

Give him a call, he can hook a brothah up...

Bro's before Hoe's.

Odds are good that this will become ex-wife number one.

I can understand the small head over ruling the big head, but your friends are a reflection on you, and if your fiance hates your best friend, that is a big warning sign.

Just tell him sooner or later she'll go Mrs. birddog on him.

Never mind the woman. The divorce between these guys is going to be epic.

I am!

Seems sorta obvious, if she hates his friend there's either something wrong with the friend or something wrong with her. Like others have said, most likely its her.

This ^^^^

You running??

Birdwatcher;
Good evening to you sir, hopefully this finds you and yours well.

The answer you've given - in my experience and opinion - hits the points concisely.

The young man and the young lady would be much better off looking elsewhere for life partners. Their chances for success are slim to none.

All the best to you folks Birdwatcher.

Dwayne

Your research has been excellent.

This has been really interesting. I can't wait to see how it turns out in a few years. Mini series?

I suspect the final result, if there ever is one, will be recorded in the annals of "hard facts make bad law."

not in this lifetime, and probably not the next

"hard facts make bad law."

That's a puzzling statement. It's interesting, but probably needs a "for instance" example to make sense to those of us without Law Degrees.

Oh..... I almost left out another segment of humanity that will need further enlightenment if they are to fully benefit from this small truism.

That'd be East Coast Lawyers

I suspect the final result, if there ever is one, will be recorded in the annals of "hard facts make bad law."
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Excellent observation but,if she signs the damn thing, my client will at least be protected.

That's all I care about. With this particular retainer, anyways.

The friend is the one with creditor/bankruptcy issues.

I'm on your side, Bob. But I'm wondering if the friend's issues with creditors and skirting bankruptcy law don't give the gf some credibility in her opinion of him. I'm not looking for an answer to that question. It sounds like a potential mess to me but a pre-nup can't hurt.

And with all due respect to Scott F and like-minded people, you don't really know your partner until it's time for a divorce. And then it's too late.

I'd just give it all to my buddy now. If that runs her off, he's better off anyway.

I like that since I'm your BFF

Right? I also know you'd give it back if I needed it. A women not so much.

Credibility and/or leverage, right? I'm only tasked with eliminating the 1 mil and it's passive increases from the marital estate or gross income configurations should the marriage last long enough that her financial enabling provisions kick in.

I understand your preferential payment concern and obligation to disclose but my client is not a guarantor of his friend's debt nor do I believe this future promise to be a current attachable asset of the friend or subject to disclosure.

Do you disagree?

I agree.... and you know I would Pat

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OK. King bed at the Contessa.

It seems very ironic that women are so big on "tests" in relationships and evidently it's lost on this ho that the whole thing may be one.

It always cracked me up when Fez on That 70's Show, would call all their girlfriends "whores" because supposedly the word in his language was interchangeable or something.

I had always thought the adage was actually "Hard CASES make bad law.". The idea being it's a generally bad idea to start passing laws based on outlier (often emotional/controversial) events.

Since I didn't get an answer, I studied on this a little more:

All I get is that Lawyers prefer Laws that are general in nature, leaving room for different applications.

And creating a need for more Lawyers.

Am I close?

It's difficult to explain to those not in the privileged class.

Hasn't your son told you that by now?

He explained it this way:

"It's difficult to explain to those not in the privileged class."

It's easy to tell who's responsible for their own school loans.

Yep.

And he got 'em all paid off about 4 years ago.

You are correct regarding the adage. I tried to simplify it for the great unwashed (non-privileged class, for those in Rio Linda). Plus it's hard facts that make hard cases.

Certainly not, my friend, but the implications here with just a little tweaking would make a hell of a bar exam question, covering at least four areas of law.
Still wondering (and still don't want to know) if to the gf, the sleaze factor of the friend's prior financial activities colors her judgment. I've known one woman who was really good about spotting phonies. The rest, not so much.

Back in the late eighties I ran through them like cord wood.

Now that I'm in my mid fifties things are different.

I see beautiful women every day at work, when the thought of maintenance, the whining, the bitching, the emotional rollercoaster in their DNA, the shopping, the dancing, the dining....they become much less attractive to me.

For the most part women bore the schitt out of me.
I just don't enjoy what most of them call fun.

I have a wife of 23 years that sort of understands me and accepts my wicked ways and that's tough to find.
Still working on her to move though and it still ain't going over very well...

Still wondering (and still don't want to know) if to the gf, the sleaze factor of the friend's prior financial activities colors her judgment.
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It might be but I'll let her lawyer raise it, if he does. From what I understand, the friends woes come from cc [bleep] and medical expenses not covered by insurance. I've not spoken one word to either the friend or wife to be, for obvious reasons.

As you also well know, I'm attempting to simply move forward advocating the wishes of my client. If I protect that 1 mil and it's passive earnings from all else, I believe I will have accomplished all that was required of me.

If your very good brain is taking you to fraud in the inducement or collusion, then another set of players can attempt to grab hold of the stash, should it remain intact.

Divorce wise, I think my client is protected though, regardless.