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Posted By: Dale K Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
I was in the store in the AM,too early for the excitement. Darn.

http://www.dailyamerican.com/entert...433a6a8-aeff-11e4-9008-03732848a018.html

From the Somerset Daily American:

Firefighters used saws, drills and the Jaws of Life to rescue a woman who was trapped inside a display safe Saturday at Tractor Supply Co. along North Center Avenue in Somerset.

Rachel Mitchell, 33, of Germantown, Maryland, was locked inside the gun safe for 45 minutes.

Somerset fire Chief Stephen Miller said Mitchell became trapped in the safe at approximately 2 p.m. when she was playing a game in the store with her daughters, who closed the door on her. The battery in the combination keypad was dead, and a person in the store tried to pry the keypad off with a crowbar, which made it unusable even after the battery was changed.

Miller said the first thing firefighters did was drill a hole to pump in oxygen. Mitchell had enough air inside the 3-by-5 foot safe, but the enclosed space warmed up quickly. He said crews gave Mitchell water to keep her hydrated.
After drilling a hole, firefighters cut and pried at the top to open up a larger hole.

"The inside (of the safe) is lined with drywall, which got dusty and hard for her to breathe," he said. "We worked with her and made sure she was on the bottom so our saw didn't cut her." After firefighters cut a large enough hole, a locksmith was able to reach in and unscrew the door. Mitchell emerged uninjured at 2:45 p.m. "It all worked out in the long run," Miller said. "I was pretty surprised . . . she was very good about the whole thing."

According to Somerset County 911, members of Somerset Volunteer Fire Department, Somerset EMS and Jennerstown EMS were on scene.

Employees of Tractor Supply Co. declined to comment.


I guess it's really true, you can't fix stupid!

Dale
TSC should make her pay for the safe! What a dumb azz.
Originally Posted by 12344mag
TSC should make her pay for the safe! What a dumb azz.


That was my first thought.
I'm sure she was embarrassed beyond belief.

Truth be told I bet you guys have done something equally as "stupid" wink
Originally Posted by gerrygoat
I'm sure she was embarrassed beyond belief.

Truth be told I bet you guys have done something equally as "stupid" wink


....and the eery silence fell over the campfire. blush
Originally Posted by gerrygoat
I'm sure she was embarrassed beyond belief.

Truth be told I bet you guys have done something equally as "stupid" wink


I can't recall the last time I cost an innocent party upwards of a thousand dollars because of sheer stupidity.
Appears as though the store employee went into panic mode bashing in the battery/key pad.

Most of those display safes have a 123456..... Default passcode combo

But common sense should play into this too, momma told me never to play in the freezer, fridge, dryer, car trunk. Cause you might die.

Goes without saying.
Originally Posted by slumlord
Appears as though the store employee went into panic mode bashing in the battery/key pad.

Most of those display safes have a 123456..... Default passcode combo

But common sense should play into this too, momma told me never to play in the freezer, fridge, dryer, car trunk. Cause you might die.

Goes without saying.


I can tell you one thing. I would fight anyone that tried to get me to step inside a gun safe. I guess claustrophobia isn't all that bad.

The problem is the "momma's are not telling their kids what to do. The kids are being the parent and calling their own shots.

If the parents are playing in the store gun safe, it's no small wonder the kids are running around the store.

Common sense just isn't that common anymore.
Posted By: Tracks Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
Originally Posted by asphaltangel
Originally Posted by slumlord
Appears as though the store employee went into panic mode bashing in the battery/key pad.

Most of those display safes have a 123456..... Default passcode combo

But common sense should play into this too, momma told me never to play in the freezer, fridge, dryer, car trunk. Cause you might die.

Goes without saying.


I can tell you one thing. I would fight anyone that tried to get me to step inside a gun safe. I guess claustrophobia isn't all that bad.

The problem is the "momma's are not telling their kids what to do. The kids are being the parent and calling their own shots.

If the parents are playing in the store gun safe, it's no small wonder the kids are running around the store.

Common sense just isn't that common anymore.

Inside a confined space or out of a airplane, I ain't going alone.
Whoever tries to force me is gonna carry marks. grin
It just have easily been a kid that got locked in. If all they lose is one crappy gun safe then TSC shoul consider itself lucky.
Originally Posted by Tracks
Originally Posted by asphaltangel
Originally Posted by slumlord
Appears as though the store employee went into panic mode bashing in the battery/key pad.

Most of those display safes have a 123456..... Default passcode combo

But common sense should play into this too, momma told me never to play in the freezer, fridge, dryer, car trunk. Cause you might die.

Goes without saying.


I can tell you one thing. I would fight anyone that tried to get me to step inside a gun safe. I guess claustrophobia isn't all that bad.

The problem is the "momma's are not telling their kids what to do. The kids are being the parent and calling their own shots.

If the parents are playing in the store gun safe, it's no small wonder the kids are running around the store.

Common sense just isn't that common anymore.

Inside a confined space or out of a airplane, I ain't going alone.
Whoever tries to force me is gonna carry marks. grin


grin Yep, it will be a couples event.

Actually that story sounds like a pretty good endorsement for the quality of the safe. If they had gotten into it in five minutes it would have failed the test.
Originally Posted by Auger01
It just have easily been a kid that got locked in. If all they lose is one crappy gun safe then TSC should consider itself lucky.


This is exactly why there are safety plugs that lock out the function of the locking bolts. TSC should have had those installed and there would be no issue.

'Course there lady isn't to dang brilliant either. Like said above, don't get into stuff designed to stay shut.
Posted By: jnyork Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
Sounds to me like there was plenty of dumb on all sides there.
What about the key behind the combo pad?
Posted By: Ron_T Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
As Forrest Gump (Tom Hanks' character in the movie) entoned...

"Stupid is as stupid does..."
Posted By: 6mm250 Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
Couple of guys & a couple of minutes




another





Mike
Embarrassing for the woman, and probably scared the chit out of her kids...hopefully the lesson was well learned.
Originally Posted by Auger01
It just have easily been a kid that got locked in. If all they lose is one crappy gun safe then TSC shoul consider itself lucky.


the lady was an idiot. i justy want to know just whats so crappy about a tractor supply gunsafe. its about the best buy in the country on a safe.
Gun safe snobs- only on the Campfire grin
Posted By: RWE Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
Quote
The battery in the combination keypad was dead, and a person in the store tried to pry the keypad off with a crowbar, which made it unusable even after the battery was changed.


owner's manual addresses this, IIRC.

Notwithstanding the lady was an idiot for crawling in, and the kids hellions for turning the handle to lock it, but don't store managers acquaint themselves with the products anymore? especially the bigger ticket items?

I have never seen a safe in a store that wasn't either locked closed, open with the lugs out, and locked or, with the safety plugs in.
Posted By: TopCat Darwin Tried... - 02/10/15
Exactly.

And it looks like they had an entire parade of geniuses on that little scene...

Safe shouldn't have been open like that, kids always play with stuff...and some get injured real bad.

As for the firefighters, well maybe they never encountered the problem before, but they broke into the safe the hard way, and drywall dust.

Can be done with hand tools available at any hardware store, not power tools, 10-15 minutes and with the power equipment they have on hand it could go faster, but you do have to pick the right power tool...I wouldn't use a saw.

Maybe they'll think about it and figure it out, but likely never see the situation again.

Probably can't complain too much, they did get the job done, but they managed to make it look real hard...and that's probably good for the safe manufacturer...I'd send a rep out there and take some pics for the website.

At least you can say that Darwin tried his best to improve the herd!
Maryland will probably try to ban gun safes now.
Originally Posted by Auger01
It just have easily been a kid that got locked in. If all they lose is one crappy gun safe then TSC shoul consider itself lucky.

Ahh, yes - it was all TSC's fault.

Do you support yourself by spilling hot coffee on your lap and suing restaurants?
Hmmm. I thought this was gonna be a thread about where travis keeps his dates
Originally Posted by 12344mag
Originally Posted by gerrygoat
I'm sure she was embarrassed beyond belief.

Truth be told I bet you guys have done something equally as "stupid" wink


I can't recall the last time I cost an innocent party upwards of a thousand dollars because of sheer stupidity.


Cost a lot more than a 1000 bucks if all the departments billed their time.....
Originally Posted by Theo Gallus
Originally Posted by Auger01
It just have easily been a kid that got locked in. If all they lose is one crappy gun safe then TSC shoul consider itself lucky.

Ahh, yes - it was all TSC's fault.

Do you support yourself by spilling hot coffee on your lap and suing restaurants?


I don't make the rules. I just call it like I see them. Your cute little comment makes my point.

Posted By: KFWA Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
I guess she didn't go to Narnia like she thought
Talk about a living nightmare.
Originally Posted by slumlord
Gun safe snobs- only on the Campfire grin


Yes the campfire where everyone is perfect in every way and have never done anything wrong.
Posted By: Tracks Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
Originally Posted by gerrygoat
Originally Posted by slumlord
Gun safe snobs- only on the Campfire grin


Yes the campfire where everyone is perfect in every way and have never done anything wrong.

Mostly true, but there are some doubts about three or four members. grin
Originally Posted by Tracks
Originally Posted by gerrygoat
Originally Posted by slumlord
Gun safe snobs- only on the Campfire grin


Yes the campfire where everyone is perfect in every way and have never done anything wrong.

Mostly true, but there are some doubts about three or four members. grin


LOL smile
Posted By: joken2 Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
This story reminds me of back when refrigerators and deep freezers had latching doors it had to be made law to remove doors/latches before discarding them as it was a fairly common occurrence back then that kids playing hide and seek or what ever were getting trapped inside and suffocating.

Posted By: joken2 Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
Originally Posted by slumlord
Appears as though the store employee went into panic mode bashing in the battery/key pad.

Most of those display safes have a 123456..... Default passcode combo

But common sense should play into this too, momma told me never to play in the freezer, fridge, dryer, car trunk. Cause you might die.

Goes without saying.


I know new commercial safes with mechanical combo locks are generally set-up from the factory with a simple default combination like 0-50-0 or 25-50-25.
Posted By: T LEE Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
What I don't understand is the store has the master combination. Why the hell didn't they just unlock it.

That happened at our TSC 3-4 years ago with a kid, they got him right out.
Posted By: Pete E Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
Originally Posted by T LEE
What I don't understand is the store has the master combination. Why the hell didn't they just unlock it.

That happened at our TSC 3-4 years ago with a kid, they got him right out.


Apparently the battery was dead? I've not seen one of these safes so not know whether they have amechanical manual over ride or keyed over ride?
Posted By: Bugger Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
I just bought a safe. There was one like it for display, I asked what the deal was. They said a customer closed the door and spun the combination. The combination was inside the safe, good and sound. I mentioned to the salesperson that not having the safe's combination would make it less valuable to me. She retorted we'll get it from the serial number. Still they didn't have it yet.
Originally Posted by Pete E
Originally Posted by T LEE
What I don't understand is the store has the master combination. Why the hell didn't they just unlock it.

That happened at our TSC 3-4 years ago with a kid, they got him right out.


Apparently the battery was dead? I've not seen one of these safes so not know whether they have amechanical manual over ride or keyed over ride?


As others have pointed out, there was a whole series of dumbphuck moves that led to this 45-minute extrication. It's a lot like most catastrophes... one mistake won't cause one, but a series of little mistakes can make for a total charlie foxtrot.

Should the woman who got locked up have done such a damn fool thing as to get inside the safe? Hell no, she should have been teaching her kids to respect store merchandise and not use it as a public playground. Should TSC have made sure the safe was "safe" against such an accident? Hell yes. Should they have had the combination handy? Hell yes. If the battery was dead, couldn't they have grabbed one of the batteries at the checkout stand, put it in, and opened the safe? Hell yes. And after some idiot disabled the lock with a crowbar, couldn't they have used less heavy-handed safecracking tools to get the woman out? Hell yes.

But none of those things happened. In the end nobody got hurt, and everybody got a little egg on their face. Hopefully everyone involved learned something.

Not a big deal, in other words.
Posted By: joken2 Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/10/15
Once they gave up and started to forcibly break into the safe most likely the re-locker mechanism got tripped so they were SOL from there on out, regardless.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
Originally Posted by Pete E
Originally Posted by T LEE
What I don't understand is the store has the master combination. Why the hell didn't they just unlock it.

That happened at our TSC 3-4 years ago with a kid, they got him right out.


Apparently the battery was dead? I've not seen one of these safes so not know whether they have amechanical manual over ride or keyed over ride?


As others have pointed out, there was a whole series of dumbphuck moves that led to this 45-minute extrication. It's a lot like most catastrophes... one mistake won't cause one, but a series of little mistakes can make for a total charlie foxtrot.

Should the woman who got locked up have done such a damn fool thing as to get inside the safe? Hell no, she should have been teaching her kids to respect store merchandise and not use it as a public playground. Should TSC have made sure the safe was "safe" against such an accident? Hell yes. Should they have had the combination handy? Hell yes. If the battery was dead, couldn't they have grabbed one of the batteries at the checkout stand, put it in, and opened the safe? Hell yes. And after some idiot disabled the lock with a crowbar, couldn't they have used less heavy-handed safecracking tools to get the woman out? Hell yes.

But none of those things happened. In the end nobody got hurt, and everybody got a little egg on their face. Hopefully everyone involved learned something.

Not a big deal, in other words.
I bet they didn't even know that changing the battery would have resolved the issue.
Even a locked but open door would be an invitation for an injury suit. A swinging door could easily crush some kid's fingers, hand, or arm. For sure some no brainers around there.
lets see, woman, in tsc, in somerset. i'm thinking she would qualify for the Women of Walmart prize.

no offense to the OP, i actually like somerset but theres some scary folks that slither outta the woods and end up there.
Posted By: bhemry Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/11/15
Don't be surprised if there isn't a lawsuit brought on by the woman for TSC's "negligence". Or more likely, an out-of-court settlement.
Posted By: Dale K Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/11/15
Originally Posted by rem141r
lets see, woman, in tsc, in somerset. i'm thinking she would qualify for the Women of Walmart prize.

no offense to the OP, i actually like somerset but theres some scary folks that slither outta the woods and end up there.


No offense taken. Besides she wasn't local, she was from Maryland. But you do have a point about some scary folks around here. smile

Dale
That lady is a dumb ass.
Posted By: kciH Re: Woman Rescued from Gun Safe - 02/11/15
While, I admit, she needed saving...sometimes you should just say "no"
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