Bart, you do realize you now have a bunch of old geezers all over the country digging through old boxes and whining to the women folk "ma, I can't find my boot camp graduation photos from 1948..."
Bart, you do realize you now have a bunch of old geezers all over the country digging through old boxes and whining to the women folk "ma, I can't find my boot camp graduation photos from 1948..."
unless they changed things since i was in, those US badges on that enlisted AF uniform are for officers. enlisted had a circle around them when i was in.
I'm in this group...2nd row 3rd from right. Best group of guys I ever spent time with....and all damn high class shooters! Five are gone...3 killed VN...1 in Europe in auto crash. Photo taken Camp Perry, Ohio 1962 at National Matches! We beat the schitt out of the USMC that year!
unless they changed things since i was in, those US badges on that enlisted AF uniform are for officers. enlisted had a circle around them when i was in.
The were changed. and are now back to the circles. And they are polished now instead of the brushed finish. I think that changed back to these around 5 years ago.
Bart, you do realize you now have a bunch of old geezers all over the country digging through old boxes and whining to the women folk "ma, I can't find my boot camp graduation photos..."
You nailed it Dave. It was nearly 50 years ago so cut me a little slack.
Age is a relative thing. I suppose you have noticed those spanish american war clothes he is fond of. I think he has been trying to tell us something. reincarnation.
USAF, 3707 Basic Training Squadron at Lackland, Aug-Nov 58. No pix.
Hey, I was in the 3707th from June through August 1956. In those days they had some eight week basic, then on to tech school, but mine was the full twelve weeks. Actually, we did the first half in the 3707th, then transferred to the 3725th. Never knew the reason.
Paul
No pix? Do you recognize the barracks? Barracks #1304. 3707th.
USAF, 3707 Basic Training Squadron at Lackland, Aug-Nov 58. No pix.
Hey, I was in the 3707th from June through August 1956. In those days they had some eight week basic, then on to tech school, but mine was the full twelve weeks. Actually, we did the first half in the 3707th, then transferred to the 3725th. Never knew the reason.
Paul
No, don't recognize it specifically, but it's exactly like several hundred others just like it on the base. Those buildings were built during WWII with an expected lifespan of 5 years, some of them were still going in the 1990's.
I really wish we would go back to a uniform similar to those...maybe different material...but those look more like a military uniform versus a business suit.
1966 Lackland AFB Basic Training, 1966 Keesler AFB Computer School.....obligatory flight jacket and scarf photo. Was on exactly three military flights in four years. Two of them to and from Germany.
I really wish we would go back to a uniform similar to those...maybe different material...but those look more like a military uniform versus a business suit.
I certainly agree just haven't been able to warm up to the newer version since I see plenty around here living close to the AFB. Hardly wore the dress blues more than a few times even though I had two deployments in four years but 1505's was the travel uniform of choice since we all flew standby in those days..Not much need for dress when you spend 24 months in jungle fatigues and a hot flight suit.
The USAF has a long history of dinking around with uniforms. As I mentioned earlier, I joined in June 1956. We were perhaps the first BT flight to be issued a mix of what was army cotton khaki with blue belt, hat, and silver colored insignia, and the new 505 light cotton summer uniforms. The 505s were an abomination, light basket weave cotton that looked like they had been slept in by 1000 hours. Worst was the pleated jungle jacket that comprised a Class A uniform. In certain combinations, the uniform of an E-1 Airman Basic had no military insignia whatsoever, just basic bus driver. You younger folks just visualize an airman in shorts with knee sox and a pleated jungle jacket. Mercifully, this combo was lost to history.
Better were the blues. The dress blouse was military and classy, and the blue Ike jacket, brought over from the army but blue, was a good looking and very functional piece of gear. Predictably, it was abandoned at some point. Also not regular issue, but authorized, was a dark blue wool shirt.
There was rumor that the 505s were designed by a group of generals' wives. It was also felt that the USAF of the 1950s wanted to adopt a more corporate look, sort of a military version of IBM. IMO, none of this contributed to morale and a general military bearing. It sucked.
A good friend of mine 11 yrs my senior went through AF boot in about '54 and said his first issued shoes were brown. Guess they spent hours removing the finish and were given black dye to comply with issue regs. The uniforms of that day did peg the suck meter.
A good friend of mine 11 yrs my senior went through AF boot in about '54 and said his first issued shoes were brown. Guess they spent hours removing the finish and were given black dye to comply with issue regs. The uniforms of that day did peg the suck meter.
Guess it could have been worse. Can you imagine running around the flight line wearing... bell bottoms?
We were issued two pair of work shoes or boots. One pair was the smooth black leather brogans which we were required to spit shine. The other was a pair of army combat boots, rough raw brown leather with a two buckle flap on top, which we were also ordered to dye black and spit shine, after cutting off the flap with a razor blade!
Imagine if you can how many cans of Kiwi it took to put a shine on raw suede leather, but we did it. There was one flight that was also required to scrape and spit shine the soles. We heard that they wore out fairly quickly after basic training.
Actually the army boots were good, functional footwear. Very comfortable and wore a long time.
The odd uniforms didn't stop there. For fatigues we were issued mechanic's coveralls, but they were starched in an attempt to give them a semblance of military appearance. The instructors has theirs tailored.
The trainees' coveralls and brogans were topped with a jungle helmet. Probably functional protection from the Texas summer sun, but a goofier, unmilitary look for basic trainees is hard to imagine.
When I went through basic I was issued 1505s, summer blues, and winter blues, and cotton fatigues. The newer light blue shirt and AF blue trousers were coming in and the 1505s were being phased out. In the 80's the AF issued wash and wear fatigues that were probably the best overall for work wear. When TDY you just pulled them out of the dryer, gave them a shake and hang them up. The camo BDU's were not aircraft maint. friendly. The bellows pockets caught and ripped when working in tight areas like wheel wells. Changing the Master Sergeant stripes pissed me off. I said "if I want to look like Slim Pickens in a western movie I would have joined the Army"!!!
In the 80's the AF issued wash and wear fatigues that were probably the best overall for work wear. When TDY you just pulled them out of the dryer, gave them a shake and hang them up.
Wish they'd done that sooner. I remember ironing fatigues using spray starch and then go crawling around airplanes.
Those double buckle army boots you were issued were the M1943 model!!!They were meant to replace the regular Army Garrison boot and the rough out M1942 boot. And to replace those ridiculous M1938 Leggings that were a disaster to lace up!
To the topic of uniforms, just prior to my arrival at Ft Bragg in spring of '85, they had discovered a warehouse full of OG-107 jungle fatigues left over from Vietnam. There were enough "forgotten" uni's there to issue every member of the 82d and supporting units 2 pair, plus tons available off post. They were great in summer compared to regular BDUs Makes one wonder what other "forgotten" treasures our military has out there
Uniforms? From the time I arrived at Ft. Jackson in '81, to the time I was discharged in '84, we went through 4 types of uniforms; We started with the Pickle Suits, then on to Camouflage Jungle Fatigues, then to OD Green Jungle Fatigues, and finally to BDU's. I was starting to wonder if I was in The Army or a Government Fashion Show.
My two daughters and I have been sitting admiring the views, and I am here to say every last one of you who posted a pic is MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW !!!! So say WE
Fort Sill July 29 1998 to 10 October 1998 then onto Fort Jackson for school graduated December 17 1998. Their are picture somewhere my wife has them in a box. Been in 17yrs I will retire 30 July 2018 and we are on our 4th uniform, BDU's, DCU's, ACU's and now MultiCam's.
Dang - only curdog and Scott F have me beat so far! Don't know how to post pic's - but Leonard Wood 1973.
1st platoon , B company, 2nd battalion, 3rd Brigade. Fort Leonard Wood 1970. Most commonly known as Fort Lost in the Woods, MO. Still don't miss the snakes and crunch bugs.
Dang - only curdog and Scott F have me beat so far! Don't know how to post pic's - but Leonard Wood 1973.
1st platoon , B company, 2nd battalion, 3rd Brigade Fort Leonard Wood 1970. Most commonly known as Fort Lost in the Woods in the State of Misery. Still don't miss the snakes and crunch bugs.
Fort Sill July 29 1998 to 10 October 1998 then onto Fort Jackson for school graduated December 17 1998. Their are picture somewhere my wife has them in a box. Been in 17yrs I will retire 30 July 2018 and we are on our 4th uniform, BDU's, DCU's, ACU's and now MultiCam's.
Somehow missed this thread....
Ft Sill also, Jan & Feb 1977...basic Ft Sam Houston, March to May 77, 91 B School Madigan Army Med Ctr, Ft Lewis Wash..91C School, 300F1 Course May 77 to Sept 78...
Have tons of pics, that I took in AIT, and Advanced AIT, but I'm not in many...as I was the photographer.... and only pics of me in Basic, were in the Yearbook Sorta Thing they gave us...