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Posted By: APDDSN0864 Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Most folks think of Alaska as a quiet, beautiful place to be. It is beautiful, but it has it's dark side.

Anchorage is where I spent most of my life and most of my LE career. To see this article just solidifies my opinion that it is no longer the place I grew up in.

[b]Top 10 dangerous/safest places in the west.[/b]

Anchorage is already headed for a record number of homicides this year.

Ed
Posted By: poboy Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Tweekers? Illegals?
Posted By: Akbob5 Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Not surprised one bit and I haven't lived in AK since 97. Anchorage is just another big city to me.
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
My wife lived in Anchorage for over 30 years. She says that while AK attracts outdoor types who want to be on a bit of a frontier, it also attracts a lot of misfits who can't fit in with the real world. They go to AK to try to escape. Of course when they get there, they find out that AK is also the real world. There is no escape. A lot of them try to homestead but give it up after the 1st winter.

A lot of the mountain men were misfits of the same type.
Posted By: UtahLefty Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
NOw this is gonna bug me, trying to remember O-town's "1" murder that year......


wink
Posted By: 2legit2quit Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
lotta good folks where I live, but there's some of the other type too.

we're lucky that our life style and vocation puts us in proximity to a vast majority of the good ones, and I'm grateful for that.

believe it lulls my family into a false sense of security at times.

but I try and remain vigilant

just because the only folks you really have to worry about only make up 3-5% of those you share a community with, doesn't mean they aren't there.


for most of the sheep, being prepared equates with being paranoid, until some S splatters on the fan, then the definition of prepared becomes a lot more real to them.

imo, one of the most disturbing aspects of our society is those folks that don't prepare for eventualities often seem to resent those that do and will even champion legislation prohibiting them from doing so. crazy stuff imo

we've been might lucky, and hopin that luck holds, still can't hurt to have a jack in your car or fire extinguishers about.
Posted By: mark shubert Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Once again NM is on a bad list. 742 violent crimes per 100K in Albuquerque.
Posted By: VernAK Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
I got out of Anchorage a couple decades back and it was getting messy then. I sure wish there was a road around that mess for when I go to visit friends on the KP.

IMO, the Alaska social services have been extravagant to the point of attracting more people.

I've heard the narcotics trade has been a big attractant but I'm not around those types to gain first hand knowledge.

It will be interesting to watch the results of these low oil prices........will the good, hardworking people leave for jobs elsewhere and will any of our problem people leave also? I think next winter will tell the story.
Posted By: kciH Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Looks like the raping is what puts both of them in the top 10, should open some cat houses.
Originally Posted by VernAK
I think next winter will tell the story.


Winter separated the tough from the wannabee's.
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Originally Posted by kciH
Looks like the raping is what puts both of them in the top 10, should open some cat houses.


There's a bunch of them there plus the street walkers. No shortage of "tail fer sale" there.

BTW, rape (sexual assault) has nothing to do with sexual desire, it is the most severe form of assault to a victim. It is all about power and control, while using a sexual act to commit it. Tons of research over the past twenty-thirty years have confirmed that.
Alaska was one of the places used in the studies just because there were so many reported sexual assaults.

Ed
Posted By: waterrat Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Keeping an eye on murder in Alaska is pretty easy,, there's the gang's in Anchorage and the misfits that can't handle life anywhere and kill their family and themself. A good deal are natives that simply should never have a drop of alcohol in their life, probably most bush killings are done in the midst of a drunken blackout. Crazies off their meds and drunks in the boonies with guns everywhere, bad combo!
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Originally Posted by poboy
Tweekers? Illegals?


Every known major organized gang/criminal organization in the world has a presence in Anchorage. Chinese Tongs, Yakuza, Korean Mob, traditional American/Italian Mob, Russian Mob, Israeli Mob, Albanian Mob, Romanian Mob, Crips, Bloods, Latin Kings, MS-13, Mexican Mafia, Dominican Mob, Black Panthers, radical Muslims, Hell's Angels, at least two Mexican Cartels (Arellano-Felix & Beltran-Leyva), Asian Boyz, Tiny Rascals, Aryan Brotherhood, and who knows how many others. Anchorage P.D.'s Administration chose to close it's Gang Intel Unit down for political reasons, thus shutting off any viable information on who and what was being moved into and through Anchorage.

You can reach anywhere on Earth, north of the Equator, by air within 12 hours from Anchorage, making it a huge trans-shipment point for anything and anyone you wish to smuggle.

The TV show "Deadliest Catch" is filmed out of Unalaska (Dutch Harbor, pop. ~4,000) which is the third busiest port of entry into the US.

Ponder this; Once a ship has made landfall into the US froma foreign port, they don't HAVE to be checked by US Customs again if they travel directly to another US port, even if they travel across International Waters to get there. There was ONE full time Customs guy and two part-time customs guys at Unalaska when I left. I don't think they have expanded that number. Remember, the THIRD busiest port of entry. They have discovered dozens of Asian illegals in shipping containers aboard these ships over the years. How many did they miss? What else is coming into our country that they miss?

Add in a lot of darkness in the winter, remoteness, mostly a transient population, and younger than the national average with a higher than national average disposable income. Toss in an attitude that all drugs are for "medicinal use", a growing racism problem fueled by the enviro-whackos, availability of alcohol, few LEO's, and a very pervasive socialist attitude, and you have problems.

Ed
Posted By: Pittu Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
I am really saddened by the state of things in Alaska these days. Partly its that the deserted little rural neighborhood we live in is being populated a little more every year, and mostly by rejects from town and troublemakers. Alot of it has to do with all the crime.

Sure, part of it is that I just wasn't paying attention, being naive, when I was younger. But i think it really has gotten that much worse. I hear home invasions, robberies, and assaults daily. Out here in the valley, the meth heads seem to be everywhere you go. Robbing homes, scams, begging for money in the parking lot of local businesses. Lots of assaults, people going missing, scary stuff when you are raising young kids. Heroine is now making a comeback.

We have been giving serious consideration to leaving or moving to another part of the state, but there is just too many good things about living here and raising our kids in the woods to leave. I've seen what happens to many people who leave AK, and I know that I'd be wanting to move back within a year.

I think that drugs are the biggest cause of the violence and a serious effort to nail the dealers and users should help. The troopers have been stepping up enforcement of late and it is appreciated. The second thing is what VernAK mentioned. Too many social welfare programs, pfd, etc that need to be stopped. I would love to see the pfd disappear. Use it to build some infrastructure in the state, IMO.

It's certainly not all wonder and beauty in the last frontier.
Posted By: ironbender Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Ed-
Didn't see it in the article, but briefly, what explains these 2 different rankings?

In spite of this statistic, I feel much safer in Los Anchorage than a lot of places Outside.



TOP 10 MOST DANGEROUS METROS IN THE WEST
#1 Anchorage, AK Metro Area
Anchorage, AK

Overall Rank: #6
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Originally Posted by Pittu
I am really saddened by the state of things in Alaska these days...The second thing is what VernAK mentioned. Too many social welfare programs, pfd, etc that need to be stopped. I would love to see the pfd disappear. Use it to build some infrastructure in the state, IMO.

It's certainly not all wonder and beauty in the last frontier.


The Pipeline brought in not only conservative, hard working folks, it also brought in the enviro-whackos along with the Hippies and other progressive liberals.

The progressive liberals with their enviro-whackos and their socialist bent are the ones responsible for the growing racism in the state. It didn't help that the Missionaries had banned a lot of Native culture, the Outside companies had taken over control of a significant amount of resources including the fisheries, and Natives seen by most Outsiders were the drunks in the cities.

You should have seen MY Alaska of the 60's and early 70's. A wonderful place to grow up and raise kids.

When the State got their hands on the oil royalty money, they did away with the income tax (which was really all that fueled state government) and started handing out the PFD. That drew the losers of the world to Alaka like flies to honey.

The drug are only a part of the problem. Alcohol plays a huge part. Look at the dry villages to see the success of prohibition, even with the bootlegging and home-made booze. The Domestic Violence rate has plummeted, violent crimes in general have plummeted, property crimes plummeted, and families are families again.

Who ever says that Prohibition doesn't work hasn't seen the effects of a genuine effort to shut it down. Not the farcical effort that was made in early 20th Century, but how it's done in rural Alaska. Are there still drugs & alcohol in those villages? Ye, but it's the citizenry that shuts them down, not just LE because the citizens have seen the benefits of shutting it down.

Off my soapbox now...

Ed
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
The Anchorage BBB used to offer the "Alaska Dirty Dozen list" back in the 70's pipeline era to those who would move up thinking it to be a new nirvana. Each point of the list, as I recall, was related in a per capita fashion and none of it good.
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Originally Posted by ironbender
Ed-
Didn't see it in the article, but briefly, what explains these 2 different rankings? In spite of this statistic, I feel much safer in Los Anchorage than a lot of places Outside. TOP 10 MOST DANGEROUS METROS IN THE WEST
#1 Anchorage, AK Metro Area
Anchorage, AK

Overall Rank: #6


The #1 ranking is in the West. The #6 ranking is Nationwide. I agree, there are much more dangerous places to visit Outside, but Anchorage is a violent city. Most folks don't see it because they aren't in the places, at the times, that most of it occurs.

I recall one mid 1990's summer when I was on Patrol, mid-shift (11:00PM - 09:00AM) when we had fifteen cops to cover the entire city of ~275,000 people.

There was a six-week period where, every night, every Patrol Officer had drawn their sidearm, preparing to shoot someone because of the nature of the violence being perpetrated. One night, after about five weeks onto this spell, I walked into the Briefing Room at the start of our shift to receive our pre-shift breifing and area assignments, and I looked around at my fellow officers. What I saw could be best described as "battle fatigue". Thousand Yard Stares all around the room, no emotion as the Supervisors briefed us on the past day's events, pending calls, and locates for bad guys and "hot" locations.

I can't begin to tell you how many physical fights I was in, how many people I arrested, and how many calls I answered. It seemed a if it would never end. Finally, it did.

Side note, during this time, a use-of-force study/citizen complaint was done at APD by some graduate students at UAA. They found that the single largest complaint of citizens was that we were rude at times. No beatings, no excessive use of force, no shootings by cops. Rudeness.

Ed
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
The Anchorage BBB used to offer the "Alaska Dirty Dozen list" back in the 70's pipeline era to those who would move up thinking it to be a new nirvana. Each point of the list, as I recall, was related in a per capita fashion and none of it good.


Yup. My wife was the Comptroller for the Anchorage Convention & Visitors Bureau for many years. It was ACVB that forced the BBB to stop publishing that bit of info as it would scare business and visitors away.

Much like the former Mayor and the former Chief of Police, Duane Udland, who decreed that under threat of discipline, no APD employee would make reference to "gangs", "drive-by-shootings", "gang activities", "gang related graffiti", or "gang violence" as there were no gangs in Anchorage, only some "wannabees". Even when a local, self-proclaimed" street gang who called themselves the "Nelchina Street Clique" robbed, murdered, and burned (twice, but that's another story) a pot grower to death in Fairview. Even when we were stopping people with MS-13 tats, Latin King tats, Blood & Crip tats, and the Tiny Rascals and another Asian Street gang were in an all-out street battle.

BTW, in obeying the Chief, "gangs" became "social groups", "drive-by-shootings" became "mobile platform firearm discharges", "gang activities" became "social events", "gang related graffiti" became simply "graffiti", and "gang violence" became "violent acts".

Don't want to upset the visitors, now do we?

Ed
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Just another big city and sad the play on words used by the pols but that ain't anything new is it.

I do miss The Alaskan Bush Company and The Peanut Bar. Need to find my way back up there.
Posted By: ironbender Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Originally Posted by ironbender
Ed-
Didn't see it in the article, but briefly, what explains these 2 different rankings? In spite of this statistic, I feel much safer in Los Anchorage than a lot of places Outside. TOP 10 MOST DANGEROUS METROS IN THE WEST
#1 Anchorage, AK Metro Area
Anchorage, AK

Overall Rank: #6


The #1 ranking is in the West. The #6 ranking is Nationwide. I agree, there are much more dangerous places to visit Outside, but Anchorage is a violent city. Most folks don't see it because they aren't in the places, at the times, that most of it occurs.

Ed

Thanks.

Most of the violence seems to be connected to: gangs, drugs, and late hours - the unholy trinity of violence. Avoid those three things and a person is mostly A-OK.

But, I remember a broad daylight shoot-out in the Dimond Mall parking lot a few years ago. Gangs and drugs, IIRC.
Posted By: APDDSN0864 Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Originally Posted by ironbender
Ed-
Didn't see it in the article, but briefly, what explains these 2 different rankings? In spite of this statistic, I feel much safer in Los Anchorage than a lot of places Outside. TOP 10 MOST DANGEROUS METROS IN THE WEST
#1 Anchorage, AK Metro Area
Anchorage, AK

Overall Rank: #6


The #1 ranking is in the West. The #6 ranking includes non-violent crime.
Ed

Thanks. Most of the violence seems to be connected to: gangs, drugs, and late hours - the unholy trinity of violence. Avoid those three things and a person is mostly A-OK. But, I remember a broad daylight shoot-out in the Dimond Mall parking lot a few years ago. Gangs and drugs, IIRC.


I amended my answer above.

Ed
Posted By: viking Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Seems to be a lot of rape up there, Montana brought more sheep in years ago and the rape cases went down.

That's what I was told. LOL
Posted By: Pittu Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Unless those sheep were willing participants, its still rape smile
Posted By: rockinbbar Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Originally Posted by Pittu
Unless those sheep were willing participants, its still rape smile


Who are they gonna tell? wink
Posted By: PaleRider Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by Pittu
Unless those sheep were willing participants, its still rape smile


Who are they gonna tell? wink


Not Ewe........ smile
Posted By: ironbender Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Originally Posted by PaleRider
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by Pittu
Unless those sheep were willing participants, its still rape smile


Who are they gonna tell? wink


Not Ewe........ smile


That's baaaaad.
Why blame only Anchorage? I see Fairbanks is #4.
Posted By: BOWSINGER Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
I will put our beloved North St. Louis up against anything you got in Alaska.
Posted By: sse Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Quote
The Peanut Bar

i doubt there's anywhere left to put your underwear
Posted By: stevelyn Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
Too many DSMFs and third-worlders being welcomed in with open arms instead of being turned away at gunpoint.

Even Fairbanks has gone to hell in the last several years. Too many outsiders coming up from the L48 schittholes they originate from and bringing their baggage with them. Place is due for a good flushing.
Posted By: ironbender Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
It's a start.

http://peninsulaclarion.com/news/2015-05-12/report-alaska-population-down-after-26-years-of-growth
Posted By: watch4bear Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
The best thing about anchorage, is you can't see it from the valley smile
Posted By: ironbender Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/16/15
For the purposes of that linked study,

The Anchorage, AK metro area includes: Anchorage Municipality and Matanuska-Susitna Borough in Alaska, as well as the city of Anchorage.

just sayin, Mr "valley trash"! laugh
Posted By: Seafire Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/17/15
Wading thru some of those stats... for cities etc with the most robberies, rapes and murders.. each seems to have a dominant Black and/or Hispanic population in them....

big shock there, isn't it...

in Oregon's Ranking the biggest city for crime per capita is Medford, here locally.... of course during the same period the number of Hispanics migrating in here from California just happens to be a coincident....

Our governors making Oregon a Sanctuary State, where they block enforcing Federal Laws on Minorities I am sure makes the crime rate climb proportionately also...

all of this is some more liberal lefties "success stories".....

ALL Criminals just love Democrats and liberals...

kinda like going on a picnic with the main goal of feeding the ants...
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/17/15
Yes, prohibition has always worked. Even during the real Prohibition, crime and addiction rates were lowered quite apparently.
Posted By: Oldman03 Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/17/15
I've never been to Alaska, but those crime rates dont look that bad, when compared to other cities.

Just googled murder rates per 100,000 people for New Orleans.

NO = 39.6/100,000
Anchorage = 5/100,000

Neither is anything to brag about, but for every one murdered in Anchorage, there is 8 murdered in NO.

Posted By: Klikitarik Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/17/15
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Yes, prohibition has always worked. Even during the real Prohibition, crime and addiction rates were lowered quite apparently.



Partial prohibition is the worst, though, in my view. Black markets are very effective. Stronger enforcement just makes people pay more for what gets brought in anyway, it makes yeast a controlled substance, it makes propane, gasoline, nail polish, Lysol attractive alternatives. It helps to turn larger 'legal' population centers into the hell-holes they become. Three very local, dry-village names spring easily into my head…two killed in Anchorage, one raped in the process, neither solved; the other a recent stabbing perp.

In my experience - and I really thought "dry's" failure was simply lack of trying hard enough- "dry" becomes an alternative "wet"; "damp" is often a more self-disciplined form of use.
Posted By: Remington6MM Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/17/15
Alaska is kind of like the two best days of owning a boat. Happy the day you bought it, and happier the day you left it.
Worked there for three years on two construction jobs. Main question asked by Alaskans "How long have you lived here?" If they had one day on you they could shoot straighter, spit further and anything that may be on the table. I've been back a few times on business and still wouldn't give you a dime for the whole place. Only thing good out of Alaska is Sara.
Posted By: FishinHank Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/17/15
Originally Posted by Remington6MM
Alaska is kind of like the two best days of owning a boat. Happy the day you bought it, and happier the day you left it.
Worked there for three years on two construction jobs. Main question asked by Alaskans "How long have you lived here?" If they had one day on you they could shoot straighter, spit further and anything that may be on the table. I've been back a few times on business and still wouldn't give you a dime for the whole place. Only thing good out of Alaska is Sara.


Thanks for leaving, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Posted By: Klikitarik Re: Alaska Misconceptions - 05/18/15
Be honest, you did give the door a shove, didn't you?

(I owe you a beer! smile )
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