http://www.wvwnews.net/content/inde...st_russia_bombing_isis_and_al_qaeda.html

October 5, 2015

Because Russia--WHITE Russia, I might add--is annihilating untold millions of dollars of Washington's investments spent on arming so-called 'moderate' anti-Assad 'rebels'--which really don't exist anyway.


By Daniel McAdams

On Wednesday the Russian military became active in the fight against ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria. Pursuant to a request from the Syrian government, Moscow first began deploying military equipment and trainers as well as humanitarian assistance. Then the Russian parliament approved the use of force, and force was indeed used on Wednesday.

The Obama Administration is not happy about this development.

The US has been bombing Syria for a year without permission from the Syrian government and without a UN Security Council resolution authorizing an attack on a sovereign nation. That means US strikes on Syrian soil are illegal according to international law. However the first US response to the Russian strikes against ISIS in Syria was to condemn the Russian government for not coordinating its strikes with the US.

Unsurprisingly, the US mainstream media once again rushed to carry water for the US administration, with CNN's Christiane Amanpour pondering whether Russia answering the legitimate Syrian government's request for assistance would open itself up to war crimes charges! In Amanpour's world there is no crime in a year of bombing a sovereign state with not even a fig leaf UN resolution to back it up. The only crime is to resist the US empire. No wonder in a world of media austerity, Amanpour is a well-compensated regime propagandist.

Rather than welcoming Russian efforts against ISIS and al-Qaeda, the US claims that unless Russia also focuses on removing the Assad government from power its efforts are "doomed to failure." The US claims to be concerned that the Russians are attacking the "moderate" Syrian rebels trained by the United States -- but even US generals have admitted that group consists of a grand total of four or five individuals. So it's hard to understand the sudden concern. Each new batch of "moderates" the US churns out seems to defect to al-Qaeda or ISIS within minutes of deployment in Syria.

What is interesting is that the US-led coalition dropping bombs on Syria for the past year has yet to even consider the mounting civilian body count from its attacks. Not a word from the US government about large numbers of civilians it has killed in Syria. Yet there is plenty of evidence that the civilian toll taken by American bombs is exceedingly high. The moment the Russians join the fight against ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria, however, the US suddenly becomes obsessed with civilian deaths -- even as no evidence has arisen aside from suspicious reports from opposition-friendly "human rights" organizations that any civilians have been killed in the first day of Russian strikes.

What "evidence" exists of civilian casualties in the Russian strikes comes from the war machine funded Institute for the Study of War (ISW), headed by Victoria Nuland's sister-in-law Kimberly Kagan. ISW's Genevieve Casagrande -- a former dolphin expert who quite frankly does not look like a seasoned foreign policy expert -- claimed to know that Russia's airstrikes "did not hit ISIS militants and rather resulted in a large number of civilian casualties." Based on what? Only the unquestioning mainstream media could tell us.

But of course they do not.

The bottom line is this: the US is opposing Russia's attacks on ISIS and al-Qaeda -- two branches of the same tree that are a proven threat to the US homeland -- because Russia is not also attacking the Assad government, which could never be a threat to the United States.

Who really is protecting us? Obama with his ongoing Assad obsession?

The US' influence has probably dropped to nil in the mid-east.
That's probably why at least some in Washington are displeased.

Also, for the first time probably EVER Russia has a base outside its borders in the mideast (outside it's incursions). Could certainly set up a confrontation with the US in the Med in the future. There's quite a bit of potential threat escalation there.

The U.S. has plenty of influence in Syria. It's just that the American people aren't supposed to know where its influence is directed.

This is an incredible development and the Administration bears heavy responsibility for fumbling the ball, perhaps permanently.

My goodness, Russia has been nosing around, trying to dominate the Mideast since at least way back in the 19th Century when the British were fighting against them in "The Great Game" described by Rudyard Kipling in "Kim" and other writings.

Now it looks like Obama, who never seems to have met a Muslim he didn't like, has played golf while international strategy and national interests have been neglected.

He just does not seem to realize the harm he is doing to millions of Muslims, not just the West.

Its the President fault . Its a Democrat thing let it play out without me doing a thing Then blame the GOP. Look at the screw up they have did sense 2008, Clinton, the big farce .Then Kerry the Joke .Obama I don't know nothing I read it in the papers . Its the Bushes fault I didn't do it .Then you have McCain, Graham, An bone head Bonner let go with the Demwit party PEOPLE LOOK AT YOUR STATE >GET THEM OLD FART"S OUT REPLACE THEM ALL IF YOU DON"T DO YOUR JOB FIRED SO SHOULD THEY NO BENIFITES AFTER GONE NO PAY NO RETIREDMENT JUST FIRED THEM ALL

Russia's primary concern is keeping Assad in power and the targeting of their air strikes reflects that.

I suspect their view on A-Q and ISS is that if they are causing the West major problems and do not pose and immediate danger to Russian, they will let them continue for the mean time..

Because Obama is decreasing the US role in the mid east and we are losing our influence because of it. Putin has moved right in and is establishing Russia in the middle east. Putin is smart, Obama is dumb.

From the article:

The US claims to be concerned that the Russians are attacking the "moderate" Syrian rebels trained by the United States -- but even US generals have admitted that group consists of a grand total of four or five individuals. So it's hard to understand the sudden concern. Each new batch of "moderates" the US churns out seems to defect to al-Qaeda or ISIS within minutes of deployment in Syria.

There are no "moderate rebels". The U.S. government is simply funding Islamic radicals to be proxies in the war against the Assad government.

My post was a reflection what Russia's current primary goal is in the region, ie propping up Assad and didn't really comment on the sheer stupidity of American Foreign policy in the region..

Actually, I think Putin is propping up stability. Iraq and Libya are representative of what happens to a failed state in the Middle East. The crazies who control U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East want Syria to become another Iraq.

Obama wouldn't make a pimple on Putin's butt. He's way outmatched strategically and Putin is wasting no time taking advantage of this.

Exactly.

Never thought about it in that way, but your are probably right in many respects about Syria being better off with Assad.

Re the "moderate Syrian rebels"..I guess people don't remember America and the West arming and training the Mujahideen only for them to turn on the West as the Taliban a few years later..

You know when you hear them talking about "moderate rebels" that it's a crock o'[bleep]. Obama is arming muslim lunatics in order to get rid of Assad. If only the media would do it's [bleep] job and get the facts out to the people.

This, my friends, is a very coherent post.
And from a man who sees through very clear eyes.

Please allow me sum this up.
CLEAN HOUSE!
Flush the fuggin toilet, already.

Middle East countries need Dictators to keep the jihadists in check. The US has been deposing these dictators and now the jihadists are having a field day. Sykes-Picot borders were established for good reason and Obama is busy tearing them down.

It is simple, they are obamas friends. He is a Muslim and is trying to do everything to further there cause. Let the Russians kill as many as they can.

The maps and a few videos clearly show that Russia is bombing ISIS's enemies in the Syrian opposition.

Russia has also taken out the ISIS command center and given ISIS a pretty bad time.

I read this morning that Putin sent in the Spetnaz and some other elite group to mop up and hunt.

Who is the Syrian opposition if not ISIS?

The Al-Nusrah front,Al-Qaida, among others. ISIS is mostly fighting Assad's opposition but eventually they will fight Assad directly.

From the ISW website in my original post at top:

Featured Testimonial

“The Institute for the Study of War is indispensible. It is impossible to discuss our current involvement in matters of war and peace without reference to ISW’s consistently outstanding, independent analysis.” - Senator John McCain (R-AZ) -

http://www.understandingwar.org/get-involved

McStain, the war-mongering POS, is neck-deep in all of this, too. ALL of D.C. is guilty of war-mongering, I have yet to hear of one congresscritter call for disengagement from the ME.

They're all one big happy family.

The U.S. propaganda machine is telling the people that there's several elements fighting against the Assad government in order to cloudy the waters and keep the people from understanding that the U.S. government is funding Islamic radicals to fight the Assad government.

Essentially, Putin has pulled back the curtain by going after the faction that is fighting the Assad government and exposed the fact that the U.S. foreign policy crazies are supporting Islamic crazies in the fight against the Syrian government.

The U.S. government has lots of egg on it's face (courtesy of Putin) and its propaganda machine is having to work overtime in an attempt to conceal what's really been going on from the American people.

The rest of the world has understood for a long time, however.

Yup, Zero could probably just rip a sheet of toilet paper into tiny pieces.

The U.S. government's actions in the Middle East weren't orchestrated by Obama.

Obama has simply been going along to get along with the neocons of the Bush 43 administration.

Lately, Obama has begun to realize that he's going to be the fall guy for whatever transpires there.

Hence,..his grey hair.

Marco Rubio laid what the Russians are doing during the last debate. He was largely ignored.

Marco Rubio is bought and paid for.

This is on the money. There is no real tradition of democracy in the ME. Without a strong dictator in place, they quickly devolve back to their tribal identities and the kind of free for all's we have been seeing. It almost seems like the Obama administration isn't even that interested in the situation or maybe its that they are incredibly incompetent. Putin having a strategic presence in the region has long term strategic consequences. The Russians have a big advantage in this type of warfare. Likely minimal rules of engagement and no lawyers approving tactical targeting.

Cause Washington ...trained them !

They nearly have home court advantage.

No we're doing the wishes of our masters; Saudi Arabia.

They're pawns.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/arabs-spring-and-ours_556139.html

Regime change in Syria looks possible, and would surely be more likely with our aid and encouragement, and without our saying that nation’s hereditary thug ruler, Bashar al-Assad, is a “reformer.” And if at some point the House of Saud totters—well, goodbye to them too, and good riddance.

I'll say this for Putin. He knows how to rub the old nose in it.

Today he asked the American government for intelligence on ISIS.

Of course,..the American government declined.

Well of course, why give away your assets.

The biggest "news" out of this one-in-an-endless-string-of-Zero's-debacles is the establishment of a Russian operating base in the Middle East with the agreement of at least one of the big players (Iran).

This will change the balance of power there immensely into the future.

I'm starting to think that Obama is going to get us all killed sooner or later.

Because, like Michael Savage says, we are on ISIS's side.

By whom?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/us/billionaire-lifts-marco-rubio-politically-and-personally.html

In Mr. Braman, a Republican with a strong distaste for wasteful government spending, an ardent commitment to Israel and a seemingly limitless bank account, Mr. Rubio found a devoted sponsor.

Like I've often said, the political stuff gets very predictable after a few years.

Putin is playing three dimensional chess and Obama is working on tic tac toe with a #2 pencil.
The US has been outfoxed, outclassed and out maneuvered. Putin will be solidifying his new sphere of influence plus locking up oil and gas reserves. As soon as the world understands, watch the price of crude oil spike.

^^^^This. Putin is filling the vacuum.

This is what I mostly thought. He is not there to help anyone ,,, ,, at least not without a reason. He is most likely looking to put gridlock on oil so he can boss around all of Europe too. If this jacks up crude oil, he will make billions just on his own oil profits. Two birds with one stone . He gets to take over oil countries, and corner Israel. Now, remember , we have a Jackbass in the whitehouse that has a ban on American crude oil exports, , , we do have a ban on oil exports , right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Europe could be in a heap of trouble if this pans out. Glad I bough BP oil stocks 2 weeks ago. My 18 yr old son even bought $1,750 bucks of BP oil stocks and he is all jacked up cause he made 7.3% in 3 weeks.

It's interesting to see what he says about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...read-putins-u-n-general-assembly-speech/

We are in fact in the initial days of WW3.
We are militarily, financially and informationally supplying those who want to oust Assad.
The Russians are doing likewise with those attempting to keep Assad.
And they just raised us by putting special forces troops on the ground.
The same guys from Crimea.

We were on the wrong side in Egypt (Muzz Bro'hood).

We were on the wrong side in Libya (Muzz Bro'hood, Al Q)

We are on the wrong side in Syria (ISIS, Al Nusera).

We are on the wrong side in Assghanistan (Taliban).

We gave away the farm to the Iranians.

We have left Israel twisting in the breeze.

Uncle Vlad is the only adult at the table. Zero forfeited any control or influence we may have had on the direction those schittholes go.