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Long article, sad read. The final blow to Rhodesian independence at the end involved Henry Kissinger and his ultimatum to Ian Smith in a meeting in Pretoria. Further, the demise of White minority rule in South Africa was planned in the 1970's, also. mad

http://thecasualobserver.co.za/rhodesia-the-great-betrayal/

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Boy you got that right!!!! But most Americans don't know and they don't care and they won't care until the same sob's who did that to Rhodesia does it to THEM and that is happening even as I type this.
Hope I'm wrong, but it seems you will not be able to save yourselves by casting election ballots.
this is how obama wants to fundamentally change america. stir up the disenfranchised, turn them into terrorists, import more terrorists (dem voters) and overthrow the white man who has made this country great. 100 years from now we will be a chaotic mess like most of africa and the middle east. this is obamas legacy and our boy bush lit the fuse.
Gotta love that RPD. Those things are bad azz!
Political correctness run amuck.

It seems to be policy that blacks will be better off under a ruthless dictator than a civilized government as long as the dictator is black as well.

Well, they aren't.

And it's very politically incorrect to notice the one 800 pound gorilla in the room. Governments run by blacks just don't get anything right.
What happened to Rhodesia is one of the great tragedies of the 20th century. mad frown sick



Lots of good stuff about Rhodesia and the Bush Wars here:

http://selousscouts.tripod.com/home_page.htm
Posted By: krupp Re: Rhodesia: The Great Betrayal - 04/03/16
Every time I see Jimmy Carter I remember how he enabled Mugabe, the Russians and the UN to destroy Rhodesia then South Africa.
Carter loved the black terrorists like Obama loves the Muslim terrorists.


Remember whites in Rhodesia and South Africa were outnumbered on average 20 to 1.

We have strength in numbers here but a fractionalized political and social landscape.




Posted By: krupp Re: Rhodesia: The Great Betrayal - 04/03/16
Originally Posted by BobWills
Boy you got that right!!!! But most Americans don't know and they don't care and they won't care until the same sob's who did that to Rhodesia does it to THEM and that is happening even as I type this.






We have nine months to prepare maybe even less.
Thanks for posting this Gonehunting. Long read but I finally got through it this evening.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to find out that a Neocon joo engineered the downfall of the last free-market economy on the African Continent, at the behest of that filthy southern-baptist POS named James Earl Carter. May he and his joo buddy burn in hell.

What did Reagan do to prevent what happened later in S. Africa? NOTHING.
Originally Posted by krupp
Originally Posted by BobWills
Boy you got that right!!!! But most Americans don't know and they don't care and they won't care until the same sob's who did that to Rhodesia does it to THEM and that is happening even as I type this.


We have nine months to prepare maybe even less.


Buy lots of ammo in advance, lay in a supply of brass/powder/primers/bullets. Hillary will unleash her wrath on everything connected with guns and stomp out the Second Amendment as it exists. The GOP infighting is going to put her in the White House.
Originally Posted by BarryC
Gotta love that RPD. Those things are bad azz!


Yep. Gimme a dollar for every time someone tried to cap my ass with a RPD? You'll need a loan maybe. I agree with the "bad" part.
In 1970 Rhodesia was the bread basket of Africa. A prosperous and wealthy nation, it exported tons of food.
Since the communist tyrant Mugabe took over, Rhodesia is now a basket case. Many die of starvation every year, and it has to import food.

Very sad story.

By the way in 1970 I was on the soccer team at Ga. State University in Atlanta.
One of my team mates was a guy named Peter Makaya. He was from Rhodesia. Only, he called it "Zimbabwe." This was the first time I ever had heard that word.
We would ask Peter, "What will you do when you graduate from school."
He said "I will return to Zimbabwe and kill the white man."
We said "But Peter we are White. Do you want to kill us?"
He said "No, you chaps are my friends and team mates. You are Americans and I have no grudge with you. But the White man in Zimbabwe is an oppressor and I will kill him!"

It turned out Peter was from one of the few wealthy black families in Rhodesia. His father realized he was becoming a revolutionary and he shipped him off to America to keep him out of trouble.

Turned out Peter never realized his dream. He remained in America, got a Doctorate in History, and a Law degree, and became a professor at Middle Georgia College.

And, here he is:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-b-makaya-ph-d-j-d-7a123916

Two years ago I sent Peter an email. I quoted him saying "I will return to Zimbabwe and kill the white man."
I enclosed a pic of us together on the GSU soccer team.
I really liked Peter, he was a great soccer player and a good guy. I hoped to hear back from him.
He never replied. I guess he is trying to forget his past.
Tough men fought the communists, but most of us sat on our hands and let the commies win. Too few resources were their demise, not any lack of courage and resolve.

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Wait a minute, when is MTV going to do a special about how great things turned out?

Originally Posted by luv2safari
Tough men fought the communists, but most of us sat on our hands and let them win. Too few resources were their demise, not any lack of courage and resolve.


Over 300 Americans joined the Rhodesian Army. Most in the Rhodesian Light Infantry. Only a handful were accepted into the SAS and the Selous Scouts.

My land nav buddy in the Q-Course was on a 5th Grp ODA in the early 80's whose intel SGT was one of those.

The RLI started out as an airmobile force, but helicopter parts became scarce and they all became paratroopers. Dropping them out of C-47 Dakotas was how they took it to the terrs.

Several times, after getting intel from Selous Scouts watching a village full of CT's (commie terrs), they would airmobile land a support element of Mag-58 machine-gun teams. Meanwhile the Dakotas would be on a jump-run, dropping the RLI just out of small-arms range. They'd land, assemble, and move to contact. Any terr had to leave his weapon and run, anyone armed with combloc guns got shredded by the MG teams.

I've read that they did this, the same troops, three times in one day more than once. THREE combat jumps with a movement to contact, in one day.
I had no idea. Thanks for posting.
Originally Posted by Bluemonday
Originally Posted by luv2safari
Tough men fought the communists, but most of us sat on our hands and let them win. Too few resources were their demise, not any lack of courage and resolve.


Over 300 Americans joined the Rhodesian Army. Most in the Rhodesian Light Infantry. Only a handful were accepted into the SAS and the Selous Scouts.

My land nav buddy in the Q-Course was on a 5th Grp ODA in the early 80's whose intel SGT was one of those.

The RLI started out as an airmobile force, but helicopter parts became scarce and they all became paratroopers. Dropping them out of C-47 Dakotas was how they took it to the terrs.

Several times, after getting intel from Selous Scouts watching a village full of CT's (commie terrs), they would airmobile land a support element of Mag-58 machine-gun teams. Meanwhile the Dakotas would be on a jump-run, dropping the RLI just out of small-arms range. They'd land, assemble, and move to contact. Any terr had to leave his weapon and run, anyone armed with combloc guns got shredded by the MG teams.

I've read that they did this, the same troops, three times in one day more than once. THREE combat jumps with a movement to contact, in one day.


Was there any mention of Rory Hensmen? wink He's a tough old dude now and is in SA.
Don't recall the name but THE book on that war is named Fireforce. I have a bad habit of not finishing books but that one was impossible to put down. Reads like a novel but its all true.
I have the book and as yet not read it. I'll have to dig it out. wink
Originally Posted by Slavek
Hope I'm wrong, but it seems you will not be able to save yourselves by casting election ballots.



Only fools believe that casting ballots will actually fix anything at this point. It's merely slowing down the approach of the coming battlefield at best.
http://www.amazon.com/Bitter-Harvest-Zimbabwe-Aftermath-Independence/dp/1857826043/ref=pd_sim_sbs_14_1/185-2229950-0075910?ie=UTF8&dpID=41FNdveTenL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR103%2C160_&refRID=08ECZWHRXGBG1PVBSCX7

Bitter Harvest, Ian Smith.
Hard read. Total tragedy.

America is wed to insanity and we go the same road to PC suicide.
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Political correctness run amuck.

It seems to be policy that blacks will be better off under a ruthless dictator than a civilized government as long as the dictator is black as well.

Well, they aren't.

And it's very politically incorrect to notice the one 800 pound gorilla in the room. Governments run by blacks just don't get anything right.


I waded through Ian Smith's bio, (listed above) several years ago. I concluded that when Western Civilization, Britian and USA and northern Europe, Canada, Australia etc could not put forth an argument, or rather, WOULD not put forth an argument to sustain Ian Smith in Rhodesia- that was the death of the west. Right there. No one was willing to stand up in public and say what you just said; not even Reagan or Mag Thatcher would defend them. One man, one-vote, once- suicide.
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by krupp
Originally Posted by BobWills
Boy you got that right!!!! But most Americans don't know and they don't care and they won't care until the same sob's who did that to Rhodesia does it to THEM and that is happening even as I type this.


We have nine months to prepare maybe even less.


Buy lots of ammo in advance, lay in a supply of brass/powder/primers/bullets. Hillary will unleash her wrath on everything connected with guns and stomp out the Second Amendment as it exists. The GOP infighting is going to put her in the White House.


She is duty bound to out-do Obama in screwing over America. I think you are correct in your insight.
Yep !!
Originally Posted by Bluemonday
Originally Posted by luv2safari
Tough men fought the communists, but most of us sat on our hands and let them win. Too few resources were their demise, not any lack of courage and resolve.


Over 300 Americans joined the Rhodesian Army. Most in the Rhodesian Light Infantry. Only a handful were accepted into the SAS and the Selous Scouts.

My land nav buddy in the Q-Course was on a 5th Grp ODA in the early 80's whose intel SGT was one of those.

The RLI started out as an airmobile force, but helicopter parts became scarce and they all became paratroopers. Dropping them out of C-47 Dakotas was how they took it to the terrs.

Several times, after getting intel from Selous Scouts watching a village full of CT's (commie terrs), they would airmobile land a support element of Mag-58 machine-gun teams. Meanwhile the Dakotas would be on a jump-run, dropping the RLI just out of small-arms range. They'd land, assemble, and move to contact. Any terr had to leave his weapon and run, anyone armed with combloc guns got shredded by the MG teams.

I've read that they did this, the same troops, three times in one day more than once. THREE combat jumps with a movement to contact, in one day.


My 1SG in the 75th RGR Regiment was in the RLI. He didn't want to talk too much about it. He was pretty bitter about Comrade Mugabi.
Originally Posted by Bluemonday
Thanks for posting this Gonehunting. Long read but I finally got through it this evening.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to find out that a Neocon joo engineered the downfall of the last free-market economy on the African Continent, at the behest of that filthy southern-baptist POS named James Earl Carter. May he and his joo buddy burn in hell.

What did Reagan do to prevent what happened later in S. Africa? NOTHING.


Bluemonday:

I have noticed that you tend to use everything that happens in the world to disparage the Jewish religion. Something must have happened to you to make you feel inferior to Jews. Perhaps you should seek help. Just sayin'
A lot of things happened in southern Africa that we simply didn't know about, or forgot.

When I hunted in RSA, it was very cold for that month. My PH complained. I asked why he didn't wear long pants. He said he wasn't sure he owned any, but next morning he showed up in some old military fatigues. "This is what I wore when we went to Angola to kill Cubans," he said. They would stand by the side of the road with a German 88 and wave and smile at the Cubans driving by in trucks. When the Cubans had passed, they would turn the 88 and blow up the truck.

My PH in Zimbabwe--a bit too young for the bush wars--made his living hunting crocodiles in the Zambezi River, in Mozambique just downstream from Zimbabwe. He only hunted at night and hugged the south shore. The south shore, during the Mozambique civil war, was occupied by free forces, backed by the Portuguese, while the north shore was occupied by the Communists. The Communists would shoot tracers at him. He would shoot back, at where the tracers came from, and the tracers would stop.

The communists, which were also backed by the Americans, went to the US embassy in Zimbabwe (by that time independent) and told them to stop my PH or they would kill him. But he was not a US citizen. Eventually his customer from Paris flew down in a private jet to see why he refused to hunt crocodiles any more. Flying along the Zambezi, someone shot an RPG at his plane.

The communists would round up the villagers, impress them into slavery, and make them carry their equipment. While this was going on, Mugabe killed 15,000 Matabeles in western Zim.

A personal friend of mine in the US passed away last year at 92. His son was killed in the bush wars, and is buried in what is now Harare.

Today only about 10,000 or 15,000 whites remain in the former Rhodesia out of 250,000 once there. They tend to immigrate to Canada, RSA, or Australia. They cannot get visas to England and are not considered political refugees in the USA.

The post-independence Rhodesian flag, of which I have an example, is emblazoned with the country's motto: "Be worthy of the name."

They were.
I have quite a few books on the Bush War and during my safaris to Africa I was fortunate to meet many folks who fought in that war. In fact, this past season I was introduced to Johnnie Vivier (Wintershoek safaris)and my friend and I are going to help the Selous Scouts association promote Ron Reid-Daly's book (he wrote it before his death but never published) in the US this year.

What happened in Rhodesia was a travesty, and it rests primarily at the feet of the Brits first of course, but Jimmy Carter and Andrew Young were the prime architects of the world wide boycott of Rhodesia and it's eventual downfall.
As others have stared here, Rhodesia was the breadbasket (and meat market) of Africa, with a sound currency and very stable economy. The aftermath after the wogs took over (and just like they are doing in RSA) provided a crystal clear example colonization ended way too early and in this regard, it was the US who pressured the Colonial powers to accelerate independence. Combined with reading a little history, the book "The Bell Curve" and what goes on around us, only an idiot would fail to realize there are differences; Yuge differences and no amount of affirmative action is going to change that. What WILL change it, is racial and cultural composition of a nation and by 2050 (if we make it that far), this country will be an entirely different place.
I have a very dear old friend. But he was in the Congo in the early 60's.

I asked him once, "Papa what did you do there?"

His answer was simple and to the point. "Very bad things to very bad people."

I got the message.
American politicians did all they could do....to destroy South Africa!

They did a good job....sad to say!! I figured the Boers would put up a stiffer fight but I guess the 'old genes' had given way!!
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by Bluemonday
Thanks for posting this Gonehunting. Long read but I finally got through it this evening.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to find out that a Neocon joo engineered the downfall of the last free-market economy on the African Continent, at the behest of that filthy southern-baptist POS named James Earl Carter. May he and his joo buddy burn in hell.

What did Reagan do to prevent what happened later in S. Africa? NOTHING.


Bluemonday:

I have noticed that you tend to use everything that happens in the world to disparage the Jewish religion. Something must have happened to you to make you feel inferior to Jews. Perhaps you should seek help. Just sayin'


You are sadly mistaken. JESUS, the savior of the world, was a jew. Secular Christ-hating billionare jews are doing everything in their power (and it is VAST) to undermine this nation, and all it stands for. Educate yourself.

The folks I have a problem with don't darken the door of a Temple. Ever.
Originally Posted by Bluemonday
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by Bluemonday
Thanks for posting this Gonehunting. Long read but I finally got through it this evening.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to find out that a Neocon joo engineered the downfall of the last free-market economy on the African Continent, at the behest of that filthy southern-baptist POS named James Earl Carter. May he and his joo buddy burn in hell.

What did Reagan do to prevent what happened later in S. Africa? NOTHING.


Bluemonday:

I have noticed that you tend to use everything that happens in the world to disparage the Jewish religion. Something must have happened to you to make you feel inferior to Jews. Perhaps you should seek help. Just sayin'


You are sadly mistaken. JESUS, the savior of the world, was a jew. Secular Christ-hating billionare jews are doing everything in their power (and it is VAST) to undermine this nation, and all it stands for. Educate yourself.

The folks I have a problem with don't darken the door of a Temple. Ever.


"Secular Christ-hating billionare jews are doing everything in their power (and it is VAST) to undermine this nation..."

Must be true all right. How do I know? Because certain other people are not intelligent enough to give rise to "secular Christ-hating billionaires."

Do your OWN research, Adolf, Heinrich, Josef, Hermann or whatever your name is.

Stop being a bigot.

And learn to spell "billionaire" correctly.
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by Bluemonday
[quote=IndyCA35][quote=Bluemonday]Thanks for posting this Gonehunting. Long read but I finally got through it this evening.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to find out that a Neocon joo engineered the downfall of the last free-market economy on the African Continent, at the behest of that filthy southern-baptist POS named James Earl Carter. May he and his joo buddy burn in hell.

What did Reagan do to prevent what happened later in S. Africa? NOTHING.




Must be true all right. How do I know? Because certain other people are not intelligent enough to give rise to "secular Christ-hating billionaires."


A self-fulfilling prophecy in your case. I did my research. Jews constitute 2% of the US population. They constitute HALF of all billionaires. They are disproportionally more politically active than the non-jewish super rich.

George Soros ain't a Presbyterian.
Originally Posted by Bluemonday

You are sadly mistaken. JESUS, the savior of the world, was a jew. Secular Christ-hating billionare jews are doing everything in their power (and it is VAST) to undermine this nation, and all it stands for. Educate yourself.

The folks I have a problem with don't darken the door of a Temple. Ever.



Originally Posted by Bluemonday


A self-fulfilling prophecy in your case. I did my research. Jews constitute 2% of the US population. They constitute HALF of all billionaires. They are disproportionally more politically active than the non-jewish super rich.

George Soros ain't a Presbyterian.


A candidate for the "Janus" award to be sure.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by Bluemonday

You are sadly mistaken. JESUS, the savior of the world, was a jew. Secular Christ-hating billionare jews are doing everything in their power (and it is VAST) to undermine this nation, and all it stands for. Educate yourself.

The folks I have a problem with don't darken the door of a Temple. Ever.



Originally Posted by Bluemonday


A self-fulfilling prophecy in your case. I did my research. Jews constitute 2% of the US population. They constitute HALF of all billionaires. They are disproportionally more politically active than the non-jewish super rich.

George Soros ain't a Presbyterian.


A candidate for the "Janus" award to be sure.


Yes, the lapsed-Catholic, inveterate liar take on theology, mixed with a little mythology to pass as educated. Nice.
Posted By: Owl Re: Rhodesia: The Great Betrayal - 04/04/16
It is sad indeed. The family of a co-worker of mine owned several sections of land in Rhodesia, If I remember, I think he said that they owned about 20 sections.

His father was a Physician here in the states and bought the land in the late 1950's.

They invested heavily into the land. Infrastructure, wells, electricity. Housing for their employee's etc. They raised cattle, sheep and other livestock. They had vast fields of corn and wheat and other crops.

They lost it all. Today, that land is of no real value. The homes were burned. The wells were blown up. Everything has been destroyed.

He often speaks of is time as a youth. Spending his summers away from school in the states and traveling to Rhodesia. He speaks fondly of the people and his love for them and the land.

The loss just about killed his father both in spirit and financially.

It's really sad to see these things. Even 30,40, or 50 years after they have occurred.

More often than not, the old days and ways were much better.
Keep calling me a liar and maybe someday, another idiot like you, who believes his own crap, might just believe it. "inveterate? not bad for a GED. Glad to see you're using Google to improve your vocabulary, but work on spelling. It's the easy words like "billionaire" that tend to stump the "dim of bulb" ones. Also, the use of "them" and "those" seem to kick your ass as well... Keep working Darrell, but first I suggest you get busy on that expired band-aid counter certificate...
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Keep calling me a liar and maybe someday, another idiot like you, who believes his own crap, might just believe it. "inveterate? not bad for a GED. Glad to see you're using Google to improve your vocabulary, but work on spelling. It's the easy words like "billionaire" that tend to stump the "dim of bulb" ones. Also, the use of "them" and "those" seem to kick your ass as well... Keep working Darrell, but first I suggest you get busy on that expired band-aid counter certificate...


Like other Southerners, I often write in a colloquial style, like Sam Clemens. Ol' Sam also stated that any man who could only spell a word one way was not to be trusted.

Glad you agree with my synopsis of your silly-assed attempt at a theological argument.
BM wrote: "Jews constitute 2% of the US population. They constitute HALF of all billionaires."

That just goes to show that they're smarter than BM's kind, whatever kind that is.
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
BM wrote: "Jews constitute 2% of the US population. They constitute HALF of all billionaires."

That just goes to show that they're smarter than BM's kind, whatever kind that is.


Probably true. Ashkenazi jews test higher on IQ tests than any other ethnicity.
Say! my 23 & Me test said I was 2% Ashkenazi, no wonder I'm so flipping' smart.... In any event, if I ever get sick or in trouble, I think I'd rather have a lawyer or doctor whose last name ends in "stein"....
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Say! my 23 & Me test said I was 2% Ashkenazi, no wonder I'm so flipping' smart.... In any event, if I ever get sick or in trouble, I think I'd rather have a lawyer or doctor whose last name ends in "stein"....


Amazing, you, me, and Fred Sanford agree on something. Hands across the water....
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