I have yet to encounter a nasty pit bull or mix. And I have, a number of them. But then again, I don't hang out with the sort of people that like or tolerate mean dogs.
I'm a a Lab man myself - and I've encountered a few nasty ones, and their owners. Man, you gotta work at that with a Lab! There are, of course exceptions. If you have a mean tempered dog, by ownership, training, not training, encouragement, or basic nature- who is it ultimately at fault?
I'm no fan of Rottweilers. I've never met a mean one of those- or a Dobie, for that matter - but I just don't care for them. There are some I have avoided, because obviously they were doing a job- self ascribed or not- that told me they'd take my throat off if I messed/approached/petted them. I ain't terribly bright, but you have to be pretty stupid not to read dog behavior. Yeah, I've been bit - my fault mostly. Or at least not the dog's under reasonable circumstance. The other two - well- they didn't survive the bite incident by much.
A couple weeks ago I was coming into Manley Hot Springs Landing in my boat. Saw this Native kid "pretend beating" his 120-130 lb. Rotty with an 8' foot pole. Dog looked real worried- not!
Later the kid told me that the dog growled at us as we were idling down -. doing his duty warning the kid, apparently, because as soon as we landed, the dog came racing over to us- 40 yards away- and DEMANDED to be petted. First by me (thoroughly)- then by my son - less so. My kid's a freak, IMO.
Native kid said- "You know, most people are afraid of my dog- I was only pretend beating him, and he's a really nice dog."
I could tell. Hell, I'd have taken him home. The dog - not the kid, tho the kid seemed just as nice. His parents might have objected.
You get what you train, own, accept, with due allowance for temperament as an individual. If you have a dog that attacks, maims, kills - that's on you Sport, no matter what the breed.
You are wrong, sport. Pits are responsible for deaths at a rate that is out of proportion to their numbers. All dogs bite - few kill. A high percentage of the killings are by Pits.
You are wrong, sport. Pits are responsible for deaths at a rate that is out of proportion to their numbers. All dogs bite - few kill. A high percentage of the killings are by Pits.
Its HOW they bite. 99% of the breeds bite quickly and it's over. A pit will hang on and keep working for a deeper bite. They do far more damage.
I have yet to encounter a nasty pit bull or mix. And I have, a number of them. But then again, I don't hang out with the sort of people that like or tolerate mean dogs.
I'm a a Lab man myself - and I've encountered a few nasty ones, and their owners. Man, you gotta work at that with a Lab! There are, of course exceptions. If you have a mean tempered dog, by ownership, training, not training, encouragement, or basic nature- who is it ultimately at fault?
I'm no fan of Rottweilers. I've never met a mean one of those- or a Dobie, for that matter - but I just don't care for them. There are some I have avoided, because obviously they were doing a job- self ascribed or not- that told me they'd take my throat off if I messed/approached/petted them. I ain't terribly bright, but you have to be pretty stupid not to read dog behavior. Yeah, I've been bit - my fault mostly. Or at least not the dog's under reasonable circumstance. The other two - well- they didn't survive the bite incident by much.
A couple weeks ago I was coming into Manley Hot Springs Landing in my boat. Saw this Native kid "pretend beating" his 120-130 lb. Rotty with an 8' foot pole. Dog looked real worried- not!
Later the kid told me that the dog growled at us as we were idling down -. doing his duty warning the kid, apparently, because as soon as we landed, the dog came racing over to us- 40 yards away- and DEMANDED to be petted. First by me (thoroughly)- then by my son - less so. My kid's a freak, IMO.
Native kid said- "You know, most people are afraid of my dog- I was only pretend beating him, and he's a really nice dog."
I could tell. Hell, I'd have taken him home. The dog - not the kid, tho the kid seemed just as nice. His parents might have objected.
You get what you train, own, accept, with due allowance for temperament as an individual. If you have a dog that attacks, maims, kills - that's on you Sport, no matter what the breed.
Your rational treatment of this subject will fall on deaf ears if addressed to the hysterics who obsessively put up posts hostile to this breed.
You are wrong, sport. Pits are responsible for deaths at a rate that is out of proportion to their numbers. All dogs bite - few kill. A high percentage of the killings are by Pits.
Its HOW they bite. 99% of the breeds bite quickly and it's over. A pit will hang on and keep working for a deeper bite. They do far more damage.
Bingo. It's not that they are more people-aggressive or more apt to inappropriately bite a person. Dogs of many other breeds are much more aggressive towards people outside their familiarity, and will bite in many more circumstances (and are generally kept away from strangers for that reason, unless serving guard duty), but like you say, with this type, it's bite and release, and maybe a few times, depending on how aggressive they are (unless trained to hold on like an attack dog).
But Pitbulls, on the other hand, are natural grippers who want to hold and never let go (other than to achieve an improved grip), once they've decided that biting is the thing to do. This has nothing to do with being mean as a breed, nor a tendency to go crazy unexpectedly. That's nonsense to anyone who actually knows the breed. It's about bite type (and body strength, determination to win and never quit, etc.), which stems from their long breed history of dog fighting, boar gripping, bull and bear baiting, going back many centuries.
You are wrong, sport. Pits are responsible for deaths at a rate that is out of proportion to their numbers. All dogs bite - few kill. A high percentage of the killings are by Pits.
Its HOW they bite. 99% of the breeds bite quickly and it's over. A pit will hang on and keep working for a deeper bite. They do far more damage.
Bingo. It's not that they are more people-aggressive or more apt to inappropriately bite a person. Dogs of many other breeds are much more aggressive towards people outside their familiarity, and will bite in many more circumstances (and are generally kept away from strangers for that reason, unless serving guard duty), but like you say, with this type, it's bite and release, and maybe a few times, depending on how aggressive they are (unless trained to hold on like an attack dog).
But Pitbulls, on the other hand, are natural grippers who want to hold and never let go (other than to achieve an improved grip), once they've decided that biting is the thing to do. This has nothing to do with being mean as a breed, nor a tendency to go crazy unexpectedly. That's nonsense to anyone who actually knows the breed. It's about bite type (and body strength, determination to win and never quit, etc.), which stems from their long breed history of dog fighting, boar gripping, bull and bear baiting, going back many centuries.
I was commenting on Benchman's statement that all dogs bite, which they do. However, pits have a history of attacking without cause. They snap in the head and attack, totally unprovoked. There are to many instances of it to reasonably say otherwise. The number of these attacks is way out of proportion to their numbers.
Your rational treatment of this subject will fall on deaf ears if addressed to the hysterics who obsessively put up posts hostile to this breed.
So, how are snookums and cuddly-pants....have they mauled anyone lately?
I've had two pure Pits in my life, along with many other dogs of various breeds, starting from when I was born into a house that had dogs. I've been involved in obedience training and competition, involving the winning of trophies and ribbons, not to mention tracking work. I've assisted in the protection training of my own Doberman of loving memory.
Of all the dogs I've owned in my fifty-five years, my two pure Pitbulls were by far the most people-friendly. That's their nature vs most other breeds, and stems from their long involvement in the blood sports (this seems counter-intuitive only to the novice), where human handlers (even strangers to the dogs) needed to be able to confidently put their hands and faces right in the mix when the dog is most aggressively involved in a blood sport (fighting dogs, bulls, bears, or gripping boars afield). Any specimen that would transfer aggression from their animal target to a human was utterly useless in the sport, and would immediately be culled. The result of centuries of this practice made a breed that's naturally averse to human-aggression. Not that this cannot be overcome with abuse or conditioning, but there you have it.
You guys need to remember that if a dog has a hold of your arm and you are going down, you had better make sure your knees are on that dogs ribs when you hit the ground, if you don't kill them, there is a very good chance that they will kill you.
I was commenting on Benchman's statement that all dogs bite, which they do. However, pits have a history of attacking without cause. They snap in the head and attack, totally unprovoked. There are to many instances of it to reasonably say otherwise. The number of these attacks is way out of proportion to their numbers.
Just simply not true. Per Pit numbers, any bite of a human is very rare. The reason you hear of them frequently, though, is to do with 1) their great numbers in existence, and 2) the tendency for their attacks to be quite effective and persistent. Other breeds, per their numbers, bite much more frequently, but don't tend to make the news due to minimal harm done, not to mention a large segment of folks like to read of Pitbull attacks, so they can post them at places like this, thus news agencies are eager to increase readership by reporting on them when they occur.
That's nonsense to anyone who actually knows the breed.
You are FOS. You like the breed? Fine, that's your prerogative. But your irrational defense of them flies in the face of fact, and you know it, whether you want to admit it or not. I have personally known of too many cases where the cute, harmless, cuddly Pit Bull went into attack mode in a split second, with NO justification whatsoever.
The combination of molosser breeds, including pit bulls, rottweilers, presa canarios, cane corsos, mastiffs, dogo argentinos, fila brasieros, sharpeis, boxers, and their mixes, inflict: 86% of attacks that induce bodily harm 81% of attacks to children 89% of attack to adults 76% of attacks that result in fatalities 86% that result in maiming Embody 9.2%+ of the total dog population
I have personally known of too many cases where the cute, harmless, cuddly Pit Bull went into attack mode in a split second, with NO justification whatsoever.
The combination of molosser breeds, including pit bulls, rottweilers, presa canarios, cane corsos, mastiffs, dogo argentinos, fila brasieros, sharpeis, boxers, and their mixes, inflict: 86% of attacks that induce bodily harm 81% of attacks to children 89% of attack to adults 76% of attacks that result in fatalities 86% that result in maiming Embody 9.2%+ of the total dog population
Attacks worth being reported to an agency that keeps such records, you mean. Cocker Spaniel attacks never make that list. That's because the type of dogs to which you refer are gladiator breeds, i.e., bred for combat, and are thus effective at causing harm once they've determined that harm is desired.
Shall we eliminate the type? Write your US Congressman. They love to do that sort of thing, and are happy to take choices from people if they believe enough of the citizenry is willing to have said choices taken away.
I have personally known of too many cases where the cute, harmless, cuddly Pit Bull went into attack mode in a split second, with NO justification whatsoever.
Calling BS.
Do you do both Bill Medley's and Jennifer Warnes' parts when you dress up your pit as Babe, and go all Patrick Swayze?
I have personally known of too many cases where the cute, harmless, cuddly Pit Bull went into attack mode in a split second, with NO justification whatsoever.
You guys need to remember that if a dog has a hold of your arm and you are going down, you had better make sure your knees are on that dogs ribs when you hit the ground, if you don't kill them, there is a very good chance that they will kill you.
exactly and choke them. when mine attacked i grabbed his jaw, i knew my hands were going to get bit but no way was i going to let him get a hold of me anywhere else.
The combination of molosser breeds, including pit bulls, rottweilers, presa canarios, cane corsos, mastiffs, dogo argentinos, fila brasieros, sharpeis, boxers, and their mixes, inflict: 86% of attacks that induce bodily harm 81% of attacks to children 89% of attack to adults 76% of attacks that result in fatalities 86% that result in maiming Embody 9.2%+ of the total dog population
I have personally known of too many cases where the cute, harmless, cuddly Pit Bull went into attack mode in a split second, with NO justification whatsoever.
I was commenting on Benchman's statement that all dogs bite, which they do. However, pits have a history of attacking without cause. They snap in the head and attack, totally unprovoked. There are to many instances of it to reasonably say otherwise. The number of these attacks is way out of proportion to their numbers.
Just simply not true. Per Pit numbers, any bite of a human is very rare. The reason you hear of them frequently, though, is to do with 1) their great numbers in existence, and 2) the tendency for their attacks to be quite effective and persistent. Other breeds, per their numbers, bite much more frequently, but don't tend to make the news due to minimal harm done, not to mention a large segment of folks like to read of Pitbull attacks, so they can post them at places like this, thus news agencies are eager to increase readership by reporting on them when they occur.
You are wrong. My son is a professional animal control officer. As a breed, Pits are the most likely to do serious harm. That is the truth. It is the most troublesome breed he has to deal with. While the owners involved are not good either, in a lot of cases, the fact is that they pick Pits because of the traits that make the breed dangerous.
Happened to us when friendly Pit who had been staying at our place for several months tore up our Shepard at a cost of $3K in surgery over a bowl of food he wanted to take away. It snapped at my wife and thought at least twice before backing down from me and leaving the yard.
I would have put him down right there but had promised to give back to original owner.
I have seen mean Rotteilers bite but pits are worse. Sister in law had her dog attacked by the neighborhood problem pit. She used a metal stake to pry his jaws off the dog, when the pit turned his attention on her she drove the stake down the pit's throat and killed it. Police showed up told her nice job and ticketed the pit owner.
I have personally known of too many cases where the cute, harmless, cuddly Pit Bull went into attack mode in a split second, with NO justification whatsoever.
Calling BS.
Ask Roger.(stxhunter)From all indications, he was a great pit bull owner of a great dog. Until he wasn't......
another reason pittys are more often reported as biters (note my reported) many people just grobble if the neighbors ankle biting chihuahua bites them but your pitbull bit me now i have to report it to everyone
ALSO the freaking number of the dogs out there. YES there are bad breeders that give the breed a bad name, but if you go to the shelter and spend some time with a pit/pit-mix you can very likely come out with a great dog.
another reason pittys are more often reported as biters (note my reported) many people just grobble if the neighbors ankle biting chihuahua bites them but your pitbull bit me now i have to report it to everyone
ALSO the freaking number of the dogs out there. YES there are bad breeders that give the breed a bad name, but if you go to the shelter and spend some time with a pit/pit-mix you can very likely come out with a great dog.
Sounds like a recipe for coyote and catfish bait...
I have yet to encounter a nasty pit bull or mix. And I have, a number of them. But then again, I don't hang out with the sort of people that like or tolerate mean dogs.
I'm a a Lab man myself - and I've encountered a few nasty ones, and their owners. Man, you gotta work at that with a Lab! There are, of course exceptions. If you have a mean tempered dog, by ownership, training, not training, encouragement, or basic nature- who is it ultimately at fault?
I'm no fan of Rottweilers. I've never met a mean one of those- or a Dobie, for that matter - but I just don't care for them. There are some I have avoided, because obviously they were doing a job- self ascribed or not- that told me they'd take my throat off if I messed/approached/petted them. I ain't terribly bright, but you have to be pretty stupid not to read dog behavior. Yeah, I've been bit - my fault mostly. Or at least not the dog's under reasonable circumstance. The other two - well- they didn't survive the bite incident by much.
A couple weeks ago I was coming into Manley Hot Springs Landing in my boat. Saw this Native kid "pretend beating" his 120-130 lb. Rotty with an 8' foot pole. Dog looked real worried- not!
Later the kid told me that the dog growled at us as we were idling down -. doing his duty warning the kid, apparently, because as soon as we landed, the dog came racing over to us- 40 yards away- and DEMANDED to be petted. First by me (thoroughly)- then by my son - less so. My kid's a freak, IMO.
Native kid said- "You know, most people are afraid of my dog- I was only pretend beating him, and he's a really nice dog."
I could tell. Hell, I'd have taken him home. The dog - not the kid, tho the kid seemed just as nice. His parents might have objected.
You get what you train, own, accept, with due allowance for temperament as an individual. If you have a dog that attacks, maims, kills - that's on you Sport, no matter what the breed.
Your rational treatment of this subject will fall on deaf ears if addressed to the hysterics who obsessively put up posts hostile to this breed.
It's no use, the Pitt supporters are just as clueless as the Hillary supporters.
A lot like religious nuts of pretty much every persuasion.
I could agree with that if I add that not all religious people are nuts. Some are and could be just as dangerous, but in general there's no comparison. My "faith" won't escape my yard and kill your kid.
It's no use, the Pitt supporters are just as clueless as the Hillary supporters.
A lot like religious nuts of pretty much every persuasion.
I could agree with that if I add that not all religious people are nuts. Some are and could be just as dangerous, but in general there's no comparison. My "faith" won't escape my yard and kill your kid.
Definitely correct...generally they are the lot that mind their own business.
But it is the stubborn mindset I was referring to.
Per Pit numbers, any bite of a human is very rare.
Full of bologna.
Don't try to make sense. Chriss spouts off that Pits are the most popular pet out there now, so that somehow skews the numbers; and in the same thread will claim that the Pits that routinely kill people are somehow not actually Pits at all.
It's no use, the Pitt supporters are just as clueless as the Hillary supporters.
A lot like religious nuts of pretty much every persuasion.
I could agree with that if I add that not all religious people are nuts. Some are and could be just as dangerous, but in general there's no comparison. My "faith" won't escape my yard and kill your kid.
Definitely correct...generally they are the lot that mind their own business.
But it is the stubborn mindset I was referring to.
Yep, radical religious zealots, democrats, and Pitt bull lovers, all have something in common.No fact, no common sense, and no logic will get in the way of what they believe.
The combination of molosser breeds, including pit bulls, rottweilers, presa canarios, cane corsos, mastiffs, dogo argentinos, fila brasieros, sharpeis, boxers, and their mixes, inflict: 86% of attacks that induce bodily harm 81% of attacks to children 89% of attack to adults 76% of attacks that result in fatalities 86% that result in maiming Embody 9.2%+ of the total dog population
I've stayed out of the PB threads up until now. The new renters across the road have two PB pups (under 6 months?). They are not behind a fence, are free to roam, and have charged me going across the road to my mailbox. They've come into my yard (two acres) after dark. I've restrained myself from killing them because they are young enough that they can't hurt me right now. But, I figure in another four months I'll have to abandon my restraint.
I don't see treeing feists or rat dogs on their , so my family is pretty safe from our chosen companions, as far as other people's dogs, I find a drawn handgun at 15 ft. and a loud noise at 5 fixes the problem. But i live in Wyoming and heelers and border collies are the norm here , so as long as you keep your hands out of people's truck there is little problem. Only pit around here is a block down he road..... Owner ........ what for it....... a tatted up Mexican........ his dog makes it to my house bang, flop , sorry buddy!
I'm pretty easy about pit bulls and that ilk. They visit my property, they die.
My inflexible attitude stems from having been taken down at age 4 by a doberman which attacked without provocation. A good brother and a handy piece of 1-1/2" galvanized pipe kept me alive.
And then there's the S-I-L's second husband who was mauled by a pair of pits owned by a neighbor. This was after knowing the dogs for several years w/o issues, and one day out of the blue they climbed the fence and took him down. 3 surgeries later they had his face back in place and about 75% functional. Cute little dogs saw me about a half hour later and were all warm and wagging their little butts. They even wiggled a little after a dose of buckshot each.
No chitt, you got one of those beasts and want to get rid of it, bring it by someday. Rotties too, I don't discriminate much.
I'm pretty easy about pit bulls and that ilk. They visit my property, they die.
My inflexible attitude stems from having been taken down at age 4 by a doberman which attacked without provocation. A good brother and a handy piece of 1-1/2" galvanized pipe kept me alive.
And then there's the S-I-L's second husband who was mauled by a pair of pits owned by a neighbor. This was after knowing the dogs for several years w/o issues, and one day out of the blue they climbed the fence and took him down. 3 surgeries later they had his face back in place and about 75% functional. Cute little dogs saw me about a half hour later and were all warm and wagging their little butts. They even wiggled a little after a dose of buckshot each.
No chitt, you got one of those beasts and want to get rid of it, bring it by someday. Rotties too, I don't discriminate much.
So lets throw in some other "statistics".. Say, pit attacks per numbers out there, correlated with other large breeds. Psych profiles of owners. Reason for owning. Prior ownership of dogs. Dog training experience? Main source of income (drugs)?
I will give you that if a pit latches on you, you are in serious chit! I'd not go looking for one, any more than I would an "assault rifle" - but if one should come my way...
We kept a half-lab/pit one time for about 6 weeks until we could find an acceptable owner. He was under a year old. When Tripper Lab (about 5 at the time) pushed him too far one day, Trip was backed across the room a half inch in front of about 8 inches of ivory teeth....
My wife wanted to give Trip away and keep the pup...
I had 2 male pit puppies show up on my farm several years back, cute, maybe 9 month old, baby teeth gone, 35# each I would guess, friendly fun little critters. I hadn't decided what to do about them- humane society, looks for friends who might want them etc... They were nice so I figured I would try to help them.
So, walking across the field with my little (4 year old) girl one day, these little dogs join in. They are playful and cute, and they start frolic with my daughter. At first she likes it and is giggling, but then they intensify, they start to pull on her clothes in different directions and she right away calls for help and starts to cry. This triggers something and their yips turn to little puppy snarls and they and now using their weight, trying to take her down.
This whole progression only took a couple of moments. I was just paces away and it was easy to diffuse with only a couple of swats, but had I not been there I think it might have gone badly. An hour later they found their new forever home in the ravine. They are still there, my daughter is now 21.
That wasn't badly trained or misguided dogs or bad owners. That was just a highly developed killer instinct. I have one word for pitbulls that show up on my farm unattended- ravine.
Keeping a dangerous, aggressive dog around, regardless of breed, is akin to pulling a pin on a grenade and putting it in a Mason jar. Sooner or later, something's gonna happen. Lots of breeds tend to produce nippers and biters; Springer Spaniels are one I've had experience with. Pits, Rots, Danes, etc, are just equipped better to deliver mayhem when they go off. Only a tiny percentage of the owners of these dogs are capable of training and managing them.
I can load a revolver and put it on a coffee table where it can sit for a thousand years without deciding to get up and kill someone. Dogs, on the other hand, have a mind and will of their own and can and do decide to attack for no good reason. Protection from dogs is about fifty percent of the reason I carry, everywhere and every day.
Keeping a dangerous, aggressive dog around, regardless of breed, is akin to pulling a pin on a grenade and putting it in a Mason jar. Sooner or later, something's gonna happen. Lots of breeds tend to produce nippers and biters; Springer Spaniels are one I've had experience with. Pits, Rots, Danes, etc, are just equipped better to deliver mayhem when they go off. Only a tiny percentage of the owners of these dogs are capable of training and managing them.
I find nothing in that statement with which to disagree.
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