Guns in your house? Be sure to read!
(got this from a friend of mine)
When I had my gangrene gallbladder taken out and spent 10 days in the hospital for what should have been an overnight stay, the insurance company kicked me out. I had home nurse visits for two weeks and was asked if I had guns in the house. I respond that if I did I would not tell them. So the below has some merit.
FYI, I am passing this along. There are comments from two other people I have also been asked if we keep guns in the house. The nurse just kind of slipped it in along with all the other regular questions. I told her I refused to answer because it was against the law to ask. Everyone, whether you have guns or not, should give a neutral answer so they have no idea who does and who doesn't.
My doctor asked me if I had guns in my house and also if any were loaded. I, of course, answered yes to both questions Then he asked why I kept a loaded gun close to my bed. I answered that my son, who is a certified gun instructor and also works for Homeland Security, advised me that an unloaded, locked up gun is no protection against criminal attack.
The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on Medicare, and probably everyone else.
I also had to visit a doctor other than my regular doctor when my doctor was on vacation. One of the questions on the form I had to fill out was: Do you have any guns in your house? My answer was None of your damn business!
So it is out there! It is either an insurance issue or government intervention. Either way, it is out there and the second the government gets into your medical records (as they want to under Obamacare) it will become a major issue and will ultimately result in lock and load!
From another Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer: "I had a doctor's appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out something very interesting that I would like to pass along. While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions: 1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened? 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?"
The nurse then informed me that if I had answered yes to any of the questions I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.
Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun owners like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians. What argument will they have? Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner, veteran or not, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED !
Pass this on to other veterans, retirees, and gun owners. Be very cautious about what you say and to whom you say it. They are coming for us, so unless you're an ostrich, do not stick your head in the sand!
The AMA has been at thr forefront of the gungrabbers efforts for decades. They are a major force driving these questionaires at your Dr's office.
I have been answering "none of your damned business" to firearms questions for years, even though I am sure that is interpreted as a positive response.
I don't answer 90% of anything on a questionnaire etc.
They need my name and insurance, the rest doesn't matter.
If you feel have to answer just say "no."
Big Brother's gun grab is in full effect. And, these docs think they are doing the public a favor by trying to take guns away from good civilians.
The AMA has been at thr forefront of the gungrabbers efforts for decades. They are a major force driving these questionaires at your Dr's office.
I have been answering "none of your damned business" to firearms questions for years, even though I am sure that is interpreted as a positive response.
I'm betting that 'none of your business' is translated to 'yes' before it's passed on up the ladder. A gun hater will emphatically answer 'no' every time.
Don't have your Glock tee shirt or Browning ball cap on when they hand you the questionnaire.
From another Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer: "I had a doctor's appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out something very interesting that I would like to pass along. While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions: 1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened? 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?"
Went to the VA for the first time a few months ago. Had the very same questions asked of me. Answered "No" to each. I then proceeded to ask the nurse (Male) by what specific authority, regulation or law, he was directed to ask those questions. He stammered and had no reply. I proceeded to let him know that I had come for a medical exam, not a MENTAL exam, and that I expected that within 48hr after this appointment that I expected a response from the VA citing the authority, regulation or law that directed the questions. To date I haven't heard back.
On my last VA visit, I had the same male nurse. He didn't ask me any questions other than the purpose of my visit.
I don't answer 90% of anything on a questionnaire etc.
They need my name and insurance, the rest doesn't matter.
Then you must not have have any real medical problems. Good for you. My pain management doc has a detailed questionnaire I am required to fill out. Takes about 3 minutes. When I had a cardiology work up the questionnaire had lots of questions about activity, effort, can I run? How far, how fast? etc, etc.
I have however, never been axed about guns in the house.
I like to answer question with questions
Q: do you have guns in the house
A: should I
Q: that's not an answer, answer the question please
A: when's the last time someone fisted you up to their elbow ?
By the time this election is over, deceit will be the order of the day anyway, so what you say to the government should be of no concern to them one way or another.
Liberals are always looking for a way around the 2nd amendment and this is just another example. The idea is to classify gun deaths and injuries as a health issue and then let the federal health bureaucracy punish gun owners with restrictions on health care. However, gun owners have to make the point that criminals can be deterred simply by the likely presence of a gun. There is no such thing as deterrence of diseases, and thus, gun ownership is not a healthcare issue.
As Mr. Gresham says, "It isn't a sin to tell a lie to someone that isn't entitled to the truth".
Guns in your house? Be sure to read!
(got this from a friend of mine)
When I had my gangrene gallbladder taken out and spent 10 days in the hospital for what should have been an overnight stay, the insurance company kicked me out. I had home nurse visits for two weeks and was asked if I had guns in the house. I respond that if I did I would not tell them. So the below has some merit.
FYI, I am passing this along. There are comments from two other people I have also been asked if we keep guns in the house. The nurse just kind of slipped it in along with all the other regular questions. I told her I refused to answer because it was against the law to ask. Everyone, whether you have guns or not, should give a neutral answer so they have no idea who does and who doesn't.
My doctor asked me if I had guns in my house and also if any were loaded. I, of course, answered yes to both questions Then he asked why I kept a loaded gun close to my bed. I answered that my son, who is a certified gun instructor and also works for Homeland Security, advised me that an unloaded, locked up gun is no protection against criminal attack.
The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on Medicare, and probably everyone else.
Oh, yeah.. Doctors here are required to ask also.. One doc I've known for about 40 years told me he had to ask 'em but - since he knows me and what I do - he just quickly ran through 'em and I merely kept quiet.. Then he went on to fix whatever I was in for (this was 3-4 years ago).
I also had to visit a doctor other than my regular doctor when my doctor was on vacation. One of the questions on the form I had to fill out was: Do you have any guns in your house? My answer was None of your damn business!
Too polite.. My response was a bit more to the point, IYGMD..
So it is out there! It is either an insurance issue or government intervention.
Gov't..
Either way, it is out there and the second the government gets into your medical records (as they want to under Obamacare) it will become a major issue and will ultimately result in lock and load!
From another Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer: "I had a doctor's appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out something very interesting that I would like to pass along. While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions: 1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened? 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?"
"Not yet"..
The nurse then informed me that if I had answered yes to any of the questions I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.
Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun owners like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians. What argument will they have? Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner, veteran or not, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED !
Pass this on to other veterans, retirees, and gun owners. Be very cautious about what you say and to whom you say it. They are coming for us, so unless you're an ostrich, do not stick your head in the sand!
Best thing is to say NOTHING.. Or, "not your business", etc..
I wonder if a person goes to some counselor or psychologist for some issue that the visit will be reported to Big Brother and generate a gov't request for the state to require that person to relinquish his/her CCW permit? Gotta be coming, one way or the other..
When the gun questions start, ask the health care provider if he or she performs abortions. If they refuse to answer or ask why, explain that it is important to know who the actual killers in our society are so that you can avoid them. If they start to argue about the constitutional right to kill unborn babies, just laugh in their face.
A doctor - general practitioner - I had been going to sent a brief health summary to an insurance company I had applied to for a new life policy. They decided to up the quoted rate quite a bit after reading his report. My agent would not tell me what he reported, other than she thought he told them he was "treating me for chronic pain issues". This was nonsense, because he will not prescribe pain medication stronger than Tramadol (which an operating room nurse told me recently was "like baby aspirin"), and I had never had chronic pain issues. I got a copy of another report he sent to a hospital he wanted me to have minor surgery at. On the list of questions they might be expected to ask about general health, including if the patient now or has ever taken illegal drugs, been treated for mental health issues, suffered from chronic depression, considered suicide, and several similar questions, this doctor answered nine times, "Patient denies this"! To me, he is calling me a liar, and strongly hinting the answers should be "yes". I barely resisted a charge of physically abusing a physician, immediately found a different doctor to take my business to, and have spread this story to the medical and general community in our area. I am still considering some sort of ethics complaint about him. No questions about guns were asked, but should I see them in the future, my answer will be "Patient denies this!"
I do worry that this doctor once prescribed a medication for digestive problems I was having that was actually an anti-depressant. When I questioned his office about this, I was told "it is also used fro digestive problems". I did not take it, or renew the prescription, but it is still on my medical records.
Mike
You really want to see what we are up against.....go to Michigan Sportsman forum and read the comments by so called outdoor enthusiasts/hunters. So many are willing to give away the 2nd amendment just to get the free cheese, protected union pensions and paychecks its sickening. Best I can do is not financially support these type of sites anymore.
During a six month checkup at my assigned V A Clinic, the young female temporary Dr. made several attempts to get me to "admit" to a "general feeling of disorientation" or "lapses in short term memory".
It's not hard to figure where the conversation would have gone from there. Chances are that she documented her concern in my medical record.
They now have a permanent Dr. assigned and I'm wondering if I'll get the same scrutiny my next visit.
Just had my annual physical. I was not asked if I had any firearms in my home.
When questions like that are asked by anyone other than the police, I always answer no. There is no law that requires you to answer truthfully to those questions. If it is the police asking those questions, then you have to answer honestly. But you can answer that it is none of your business. The only time I was asked by the police was when stopped for speeding.
Just calmly answer "no" no need to become argumentive or confrontational. It's none of their business.
I get the distinct impression that responsible gun owners are more of a threat to society than kiddie diddlers in the eyes of the medical profession.
I don't answer 90% of anything on a questionnaire etc.
They need my name and insurance, the rest doesn't matter.
Then you must not have have any real medical problems. Good for you. My pain management doc has a detailed questionnaire I am required to fill out. Takes about 3 minutes. When I had a cardiology work up the questionnaire had lots of questions about activity, effort, can I run? How far, how fast? etc, etc.
I have however, never been axed about guns in the house.
Obviously if it's germane to the reason I'm at the doctor. I keep forgetting that I have to spell EVERYTHING out for the 'Fire.
I've never understood this one (check one):
Married Single Widowed Divorced
One is either married or single.
You really want to see what we are up against.....go to Michigan Sportsman forum and read the comments by so called outdoor enthusiasts/hunters. So many are willing to give away the 2nd amendment just to get the free cheese, protected union pensions and paychecks its sickening. Best I can do is not financially support these type of sites anymore.
I do not go on said forum, but I do know of recent legislation enacted concerning firearms. The track record does not support this statement, regardless of what you may perceive from said forum........
"The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on Medicare"
I've been on Medicare for almost 10 years and I've never been asked about guns although since Obamacare became law I've many other stupid questions.
There are plenty of doctors who hunt. You need to find them. If none other, your ophthalmologist and optician must use shotguns and riflescopes.
You freaking dunce. You know how few drs hunt?
I retired this past April at age 66, started social security and medicare and still haven't been asked anything about guns. At a routine physical a couple months ago my doctor asked me how I was enjoying my retirement. I told him; "It's great; I'm loving it", and that was about as close to asking about depression as he got, and that was the end of it.
"The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on Medicare"
I've been on Medicare for almost 10 years and I've never been asked about guns although since Obamacare became law I've many other stupid questions.
As a physician, there is no Medicare "requirement" to ask about guns in the home. The VA may have their own guidelines but I also doubt it is a requirement. If you are filling a controlled substance, any questions related to depression may be asked, of which access to firearms may be one of them.
I was asked once and replied, "I neither confirm or deny". That is the reply when someone (other than a cop) asks me if I'm carrying.
Good information.. We seldom visit a doctor, and have not been asked these questions.. But it is a local kid who is the doc.
I"ve never been asked any gun related question from a doctor, unless they want to know what the newest thing I bought is, or what I think about their newest purchase.
And I"m not seeking out docs like that, they come standard in our area of somewhat rural US.
Never been asked about guns. And I spent a lot of time at the doc's this year. If they asked though, I would simply say "no". They have no right to this information.
I'd ask how answering that question is going to improve my health
One of the best responses I've heard was a gentleman who asked the individual who posed the question if anyone in the office had been provided training by their employer in the storage of firearms, firearms safety or firearms law. When the answer was no, he asked if their malpractice insurance carrier was aware they were asking questions of patients for which they had no specific training or expertise.
We just moved here a couple of years ago, and had to hook up with a bunch of new physicians. I see a GP, ENT, dermatologist and opthomologist; wife sees Ob/Gyn, GP, Internist; Kids see pediatricians, allergist. All through the new patient sign-in process with all these different doctors we've never been asked anything about guns or about anything else not health-related. I still got back up North to my long-time dentist and the wife still goes up to hers. They both ask about guns sometimes...both are long-time hunting partners of mine. It's usually guns and dogs, that kind of stuff....
One of the best responses I've heard was a gentleman who asked the individual who posed the question if anyone in the office had been provided training by their employer in the storage of firearms, firearms safety or firearms law. When the answer was no, he asked if their malpractice insurance carrier was aware they were asking questions of patients for which they had no specific training or expertise.
Love it... I hafta remember that one...
Just calmly answer "no" no need to become argumentive or confrontational. It's none of their business.
This is the answer to those asking a question they have no business asking, required or not.
One of the best responses I've heard was a gentleman who asked the individual who posed the question if anyone in the office had been provided training by their employer in the storage of firearms, firearms safety or firearms law. When the answer was no, he asked if their malpractice insurance carrier was aware they were asking questions of patients for which they had no specific training or expertise.
That was my response to the question - if asked.
No guns in my house, just pit bulls, PTSD rescue Dobermans and other attack dogs from various third world war zones, several hundred gallons of highly corrosive, volatile and poisonous liquids, and lots of sugary sweet soft drinks.
But no guns, they’re dangerous...
You freaking dunce. You know how few drs hunt?
Please enlighten me. Maybe I am just lucky in how often I have been able to find good medical help. Off the top of my head, of the medical and sort of medical we use currently: My opthalmalogist, optician, ENT, general practicioner, pediatrician, dentist, pediatric dentist...that's all I got.
Perhaps if you are are in a position to need a specialist to figure out what crawled up your backside or relieve some pressure on the brain, the field would be narrowed, but that is not the general case.
There are plenty who do and probably plenty who do not; plenty either way. Spend your money wisely.
Just answer "No"
If you really want to sell yourself as an enlightened individual, Put some bitch like squeal in your voice and a shocked look on your face as you say "no"
Last time I was asked that question, I asked what a question like that was doing on a "Medical" questionnaire? The nurse had no idea.
This chit is what? 10 years old by now news wise and the crap continues to come to the surface.... I'm flat amazed that its been around so long alreayd that not everyone has heard it already.
Of course as noted, depending on where you choose to live, I suspect I could go the rest of my life adn never have that question asked to me by any doctor I would choose to see....
Guns? Wouldn't have any around the place. Don't you know they're dangerous?
You freaking dunce. You know how few drs hunt?
I shoot sporting clays with my primary care doctor. Does that count?
You freaking dunce. You know how few drs hunt?
????
Before you go to the doctor, put all of your guns in the trunk of your car. Then you won't have any 'guns in your house'.
The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on Medicare, and probably everyone else.
It took less than 15 seconds to determine that's false.
Don't fall for the BS without making at least a minimal effort to see if it's real
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/medicare.asp
some guy that goes by the internet handle of Paddler stole ALL of the firearms I had....
Re the VA questions, my doc is a cool gal, former Army doctor.
When she asked if I ever felt abused at home, I hestitated and she said.
"Only when you deserve it".
We both had a good chuckle.
I've never been asked about guns at the VA. The only private doc who ever asked was my podiatrist, and he was a neighbor. A bit of a dork.
Paul
