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Posted By: Calhoun Old ship.. - 05/24/17
Cool old picture from 1898. Battleship USS Texas

https://strategypage.com/military_photos/20170523232027.aspx

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Posted By: JSTUART Re: Old ship.. - 05/24/17


Ah look at that, just like a Kiwi naval ship...only newer.
Posted By: jnyork Re: Old ship.. - 05/24/17
Nice piece of nearly forgotten history, Calhoun. Thanks for posting.
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Old ship.. - 05/24/17
Note the tarp hanging down her side,....she's just finished taking on bunker coal.

The Monitor style turret's noteworthy,....carrying some of the FIRST U.S.N. breechloading guns,.....a horribly risky system that employed transitional ( and somewhat unstable) "Brown Powder. Her magazine's vulnerability rating ? ....'bout as bad as it could get.

GTC
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Old ship.. - 05/24/17
Originally Posted by crossfireoops
Note the tarp hanging down her side,....she's just finished taking on bunker coal.

The Monitor style turret's noteworthy,....carrying some of the FIRST U.S.N. breechloading guns,.....a horribly risky system that employed transitional ( and somewhat unstable) "Brown Powder. Her magazine's vulnerability rating ? ....'bout as bad as it could get.

GTC

Well, sister ship to the Maine.. and we all know how that turned out.
Posted By: kaywoodie Re: Old ship.. - 05/24/17
Old reenacting bud of mine, Al Sumrall, co-arthored this book on the subject!!

https://www.amazon.com/Old-Hoodoo-Battleship-Texas-1895-1911/dp/1466248947
Posted By: Idaho_Shooter Re: Old ship.. - 05/24/17
I was going to ask, litter mate to the Maine?
Posted By: g5m Re: Old ship.. - 05/24/17
Originally Posted by JSTUART


Ah look at that, just like a Kiwi naval ship...only newer.



ouch.
Posted By: hanco Re: Old ship.. - 05/24/17
Only ship of its class left, before refitting with the super structure that's on it now.
Posted By: Greyghost Re: Old ship.. - 05/25/17
Both ships, this one and BB-35 held an unbelievable amount of first in surface warfare ship design and history... a lot of info doesn't show up on this one or at least not easily found, USS Texas (BB-35) is a different story and there's a lot of it.

Phil
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Old ship.. - 05/25/17
Originally Posted by hanco
Only ship of its class left, before refitting with the super structure that's on it now.


Sorry,....wrong ship, ........

GTC
Posted By: Richdeerhunter Re: Old ship.. - 05/25/17
The 1898 era cruiser USS Olympia can be toured in Philadelphia. This was Dewey's flagship at Manila Bay. "You may fire when ready, Gridley..."
Posted By: steve99 Re: Old ship.. - 05/26/17
The Olympia is worth the time to tour if in Philly. This Texas is a wreck in the Chesapeake Bay, sunk as a target I think.
Posted By: rifletom Re: Old ship.. - 05/26/17
I love Naval history. The Battleships and heavy cruisers. U.S., British and German. My favorite: HMS Rodney. Friggin' killer!
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Old ship.. - 05/26/17
The transition from sail to steam happened FAST, and that whole era was indeed one of all sortsa' dynamic engineering stunts,.....

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The U.S.S. Vesuvious was one such intriguing venture,.....

from Wiki......

"Vesuvius carried three 15-inch (38-cm) cast iron pneumatic guns, invented by D. M. Medford and developed by Edmund Zalinski, a retired officer of the United States Army.[3] They were mounted forward side-by-side at a fixed elevation of 16 degrees. Gun barrels were 55 feet (17 meters) long with the muzzles extending 15 feet (4.6 meters) through the deck 37 feet (11 meters) abaft the bow. In order to train these weapons, the ship had to be aimed, like a gun, at its target. Compressed air from a 1000 psi (70 atm) reservoir projected the shells from the dynamite guns. Two air compressors were available to recharge the reservoir.[1]
The shells fired from the guns were steel or brass casings 7 feet (2 meters) long with the explosive contained in the conical forward part of the casing and spiral vanes on the after part to rotate the projectile. The explosive used in the shells themselves was actually a "desensitized blasting gelatin" composed of nitrocellulose and nitroglycerine. It was less sensitive to shock than regular dynamite but still sensitive enough that compressed air, rather than powder, had to be utilized as the propellant. Shells containing 550 pounds (250 kg) of explosive had a maximum range of 1 mile (1.6 km), but range could be extended to 4000 yards (3.7 km) by reducing projectile weight to 200 pounds (100 kg). Maximum muzzle velocity was 800 feet (250 meters) per second. Range could be reduced by releasing less compressed air from the reservoir. Ten shells per gun were carried on board, and 15 shells were fired in 16 minutes 50 seconds during an 1889 test. The shells employed an electrical fuze which could be either set to explode on contact or delayed to explode underwater.[1][3] "

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and,....

Spanish-American War[edit]
Decommissioned on 25 April 1895 for major repairs, Vesuvius re-entered service on 12 January 1897 with Lieutenant Commander John E. Pillsbury in command. The ship got underway from Philadelphia Navy Yard, bound for Florida, and operated off the east coast through the spring of the following year, 1898. By this time, American relations with Spain were worsening. The American Fleet gathered in Florida waters, and Vesuvius hurried south from Newport, Rhode Island, and arrived at Key West, Florida, on 13 May. She remained there until 28 May, when she headed for blockade duty in Cuban coastal waters. Vesuvius performed special duties at the discretion of the Fleet Commander in Chief and served as a dispatch vessel between Cuba and Florida into July 1898.
On 13 June, Vesuvius conducted the first of eight shore bombardment missions against Santiago, Cuba. The cruiser stealthily closed the shore under cover of darkness, loosed a few rounds of her 15-inch dynamite charges, and then retired to sea. Psychologically, Vesuvius's bombardment caused great anxiety among the Spanish forces ashore, for her devastating shells came in without warning, unaccompanied by the roar of gunfire usually associated with a bombardment. Admiral Sampson wrote accordingly, that Vesuvius bombardments had "great effect." Although the dynamite guns were relatively quiet, detonation of their large high explosive shells sounded different from contemporary gunpowder-filled artillery shells; and soldiers observed the explosions "made holes like the cellar of a country house."[1]

The US Naval Institute proceedings did a historical piece on this ship in the mid 50s,.......I cut it out and it was one of the more dog eared treasured components of a voluminous scrapbook,....armored cruisers and dreadnaughts were a real focal point for me, in those years.

Probably has something to do with a lifelong recreational artillery bug.

GTC
Posted By: rifletom Re: Old ship.. - 05/26/17
That was very interesting. What a ship with that type of weapon. And for that era. Check the Rodney, and you'll know what I mean. Very different approach to turret placement, but, very deadly to the opposition. As the Rodney proved against the Bismarck.
Posted By: MRitchie Re: Old ship.. - 01/18/18
Resurrecting a dead thread to show that this image (first iteration of the USS Texas) made it onto the Henry .22 that the Battleship Texas foundation is offering for sale. I bought # 240 out of 250 the other day.


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Posted By: HankMcMauser Re: Old ship.. - 01/18/18
My grandpa was in the Navy during WW1, he said it was a time of iron ships, and wooden men ,(blockheads)
Posted By: hanco Re: Old ship.. - 01/18/18
I didn’t know those were made. I have been on that ship a bunch of times
Posted By: OrangeOkie Re: Old ship.. - 01/18/18
Interesting comments from the late crossfireoops.
Posted By: Scott_Thornley Re: Old ship.. - 01/18/18
Originally Posted by OrangeOkie
Interesting comments from the late crossfireoops.


Yep, GTC lives on, doesn't he?
Posted By: Mikewriter Re: Old ship.. - 01/18/18
Spent many evenings and weekends aboard the Texas as a kid. It was NOT sunk anywhere to the north, is docked in the Houston Ship Channel, in Battleground Park, near the San Jacinto Monument. Worthwhile visits.

Mike Holmes
Posted By: MRitchie Re: Old ship.. - 01/19/18
Originally Posted by Mikewriter
Spent many evenings and weekends aboard the Texas as a kid. It was NOT sunk anywhere to the north, is docked in the Houston Ship Channel, in Battleground Park, near the San Jacinto Monument. Worthwhile visits.

Mike Holmes


The original USS Texas (launched 1892) was sunk in Chesapeake Bay. The Texas at SJ is the second model built in 1912. I was able to spend the night when I was 10 on a Boy Scout trip, and they also took us to un-restored normally off-limits sections of the ship. Very cool.
Posted By: kwg020 Re: Old ship.. - 01/19/18
My step grandfather was on the Texas's sister ship the Arkansas 1920 to 1922.

kwg
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