More particularly, the 6.7 diesel...

Looking seriously at an F350 Dually 4x4. One I'm looking at is a new one. 4.10 limited slip.

How's it tow, pull, and how's the mileage?

Any input appreciated.

Rockin', copied from the basement....


Most people I know drive F350's and that includes us. Farm/ranch type operations and the pickups get used and abused.

Our newest one is a 2011 with the 6.7(66k miles so just broke in) and it's been pretty good. But lots of plastic on the underbelly, Mexican engine, less leg room than the older versions, emissions, phaggy traction control, some other minor gripes but pretty sure all the new pickups are gayed up more than older ones. But they will motor on down the road no problem pulling a good load.


It seems like it's always around 10MPG pulling or empty. Unlike most people on the internet we don't get very good mileage.....grin



And they seem to hold up as good if not better than Chevy or Dodge. Hell they all break down.

But you do see way more Dodges and Chevy's traded in on Fords than the other way around. I don't think our Dodge dealer has ever had a used F350 on the lot...


The emissions horsechit is the worst thing ever done to a perfectly fine engine.



I still love my old 2003 with dreaded 6.0 liter. Just can't bring myself to trade in it.

You'll throw rocks at your Dodge after you drive that Ford 6.7, Barry.

We use a 2014 F250 with the 6.7 to go to PD camp which is about a 1200 mile round trip, we are pulling a 25 ft bumper pull camper and a small 8 ft. cargo trailer behind it . Pulling power is awesome, hills do not slow it down at all, fuel mileage is about 8.5 mpg overall for the trip, sometimes in Wyoming crosswinds it will drop to less. I believe it has 3.78 or so gearing, so with 4.10 gears and an extra couple of wheels I suspect the one you are looking at would get less mpg.
Just highway use without pulling it is usually around 15 mpg, my brother has an identical 2016 F250 and he reports about the same m[g on his for pulling and highway, if you want the horses you have to feed them.

drover

Thanks Sam!

Looking at a chassis cab w/ flatbed.



I've driven lots of Fords, and like them. I've found them to be tough as well, but have not driven a diesel one.

Caribou!

Just one fuel tank?

Our '11 has two(25 and 35 gallon?) which is nice but I believe that was a special order option. Really handy if you're out in the hills for a few days and away from the pump.


I've been eying a silver extended cab with singles(6.7 liter) but this is not the year for a damn pickup payment...


And hell I never pull anything with that particular pickup so might as well go with a gas engine.

Dang good looking Truck Barry!

The only things missing are a grill guard and running boards!

I think all chassis cabs have just the one tank. It holds 40 gallons.

Yeah Caribou! At least I won't look like an oil field truck.

Yep. Got a buy an aftermarket tank if you want more fuel capacity.

May need the grille guard for sure!

I'm having the dealership put a transfer tank/tool box in the back.

Not sure you would need 4:10 gears with the diesel. My 7.3 has 3.73, I think. It weighs 8,000 and gets 16 mpg empty. It is chipped up with a HyperTech progammer. Sam would know on the gears, I'll bet.

I think I want the 4:10 gears. I pull up 30k lbs at times.

It's a bit hard to untrack a load like that with 3.73. I have 3.73 in my 3/4 ton.

That settles that then. I had 4:10s in my old 90 model F250 with a 460 gas and 5 speed transmission. Used to triple tow a 5th wheel with a bass boat behind. Gas mileage wasn't too good. Imagine that!

I loved those old 460's!

I doubt my mileage will be great with this one too.

On the bright side, our 3/4 ton diesel 4x4 is getting 22 mpg in mixed city/highway driving.

You'll probably get 18 to 16 mpg empty Barry. And about 10 mpg pulling a load. Best mileage I ever got on my 6.7 was 19 mpg empty coming home from Colorado.

Putting on a unitized front bumper and guard (aluminum) WILL pay off. The factory stuff is expensive and cheezy. If you have deer -- it's much safer just to flatten the dang deer and stay on the road. Trust me on this, I finally made ace with one truck.

I made ace in one hit with my 80 chev......

My best friend just bought a new F350 with the 6.7 and I can't speak for its longevity but the ride is amazing. Riding around empty you'd never guess it was a F350. It rides closer to a luxury car than a truck. I rode with him to get a trailer full of hay and when we rode down the rough dirt road and across the field it was amazing how smooth it rode. It has pulled everything well so far. Mostly 16 roll loads of hay and a 38' Fithwheel. Rides and pulls much better than his 2006? F350 with the 6.0. Also much quieter.

I have a 2012 F350 shortbed crew cab. Not a lot of towing but i average right at 15mpg. Awesome truck. Lots of power. Rides smoother than any truck I've ever owned. I have a Leer cap on it which helps. You won't be disappointed

I guess I would weigh how often 30K is pulled vs all the other driving to get a lot better mileage when considering 4:10 vs 3:73. About the same consideration of driving a gasser vs Diesel. A lot of driving, a little pulling go gas, a lot of pulling, go diesel. Those Fords sure ride better. Local diesel shop here use to be a Ford man, but he is bragging on Chevys now

There is a down side to the cushy empty ride.


Load that thing up with +5k pounds on the bed and it will ride like a cheap hoopty when you hit a few holes.


Bottoms out overly easy if you push it too hard.
(IMHO)


Not a deal breaker though. Just dive a little slower over the rough chit loaded.

Drive a little faster empty!


Our feed pickups/trailer pullers are cab/chassis regular cabs with duals.

I just assume they are both 4.10's.

They'll cruise 65-70mph at 2RPM?

I have a 2016 single rear wheel F250 long wheelbase 4x4 with 6.2 gas and cab height canopy. The best fuel mileage achieved is 16 on level, windfree, highway without load, speeds 60-65mph. Mixed driving ranges 11.5 to 13.5 depending on conditions and driver. It is very quiet and comfortable for ride, especially considering it a 4x4 3/4 ton truck. Driver habits and higher speeds show fuel consumption changes readily.

The transmission is great when towing or driving mountainous highways in the tow/haul mode. The axle is 3.73 and 4th gear is just below 1:1. Plenty of engine braking occurs in tow/haul. It is very responsive to degree of grade.

I tow a 22 ft. bumper pull travel trailer at about 7200 lbs. Mileage runs about 8.5 mpg on average driving conditions at 60 mph. Wind and hills use more gas.

You can lock out the top gears while towing, per your choice. You can run the transmission in "manual" mode and toggle shift up and down with safety parameters matching speed and gears. It runs something near 1600-1650 rpm at 60 mph in 6th gear. With hills and loads, it will run higher rpm than the powerstroke and they will beat you to the top, but that isn't so important to me anyway. It would become more important if I towed the heavy loads that other users are citing.

The braking system includes features to provide stability under challenging conditions including capacity to reduce trailer sway should it occur.

I like this truck.

Marv

I have a 2016 F350 Super Duty King Ranch and I love the truck. It is much roomier than the Duramax I traded in on it. I just returned from pulling a 28 foot travel trailer from NE Wyoming to Lake of the Ozarks Missouri. I averaged 10 mpg while towing at 75 mph all the way there. It was a little less in the black hills area of WY and Sd. I get about 15-16 when driving empty at 80 mph. My truck has the built in exhaust brake and I can lock the rear axels so bypass that limited slip. The truck stayed in 6th gear all the way to lake of the Ozarks until about the last 50 miles when we saw some steep grades on the local roads in the rolling hills. You could honestly forget the trailer was hooked up! Its tough to beat the new Super Dutys with the 6.7

One drawback is the radiator. Most people have to replace the radiator fairly early, hopefully when it is under warranty. They have been having issues since 2011 at least and are still putting the same design in these trucks. Mine is a 2016 and I bought it with 36,142 miles (bumper to bumper warranty expired at 36,000) and when I drove it home it dripped a couple drops of anti-freeze. Had the radiator tested and the seal on the drivers side had started to fail. Its a fairly time extensive effort to replace the radiator. You can expect $1600 to $2000 to replace it. My brother in law had to replace his too, while it was still under warranty.

Mine only has a 24 gallon tank too (lots of fill ups)

Mfast, I would go for that configuration with an extended cab for a daily driver.

2016 F250 4 door. 6.7 Diesel Long term average is 16.8. Camper is pop up off road model low profile drops mileage to 14. Plenty of power, even over Teton Pass. Truck wil pull faster that road curves allow. Have not had a real load behind it. Rear end is 4.10

Another really nice thing about the new diesels is they start up just about as easy as a gas when it's cold and they haven't been plugged in.


And they are quiet.

Dad and middle uncle both have 2011s with 6.7. Dad's is a 4 door shortbed uncle's is an extended cab shortbed, both 250s both 4x4. We just came home from a weeks vacation in CO, 1250mi round trip uphill all the way there. Dad was pulling his 22' bumper pull camper with his atv and two gass cans and two or three 6 gallon water jugs in the bed. Uncle had his slide in IdleTime camper on his and pulled a 14' trailer hauling 3 atvs and various other stuff. When we got there both of their dash readouts were reading 13.2mpg.

They both average about 16 with normal mixed driving. I saw darn close to 19 driving Dad's from OK to SD one winter trip, all highway and unloaded.

Sam,I think that cushy ride came from more owners running on paved roads than rough country and that is the market the dealers went for.

I have 7500 pound sprigs on my 3/4 T Dodge and it indeed rides like a truck.My buddy's 2003, 3500 is even rougher.

I pull about 16,000 with my 3/4 T and get 14 mpg then, 20-22 empty. But it is a 98&1/2 Dodge, 3:55 rear end, I never lacked for power though

As a sidebar. Since I just drove across OK, TX, NM, and CO and back I made an interesting observation. Apparently GM has closed all it's dealerships in this part of the world. Not kidding, of all the stock trailers, camper trailers, 5th wheels, toy haulers, and even a few car haulers, I swear it was 5 to 1 Ford Superduty to Dodges and at least 20 to 1 Fords to GM trucks. Nobody seemed to be driving GM trucks, even the oilfield trucks and utility company trucks were all Ford. Even stranger yet I bet 90% of all the pickups of all makes I met or passed regardless of maker were 4x4s.

I think Fords are really starting to collect experienced owners except for the Cummins junkies. The people who keep trucks long enough for them to break, buy Ford. The 6.0 was a skunk, the 6.7s are quite an improvement and my, are they peaceful. Still....

I really wish the 7.3 liter could be put in the current carbody. Noisy sucker, but man, with a cheater chip it's got pulling power and pretty good mileage (18 on highway, 13 in town) for all that steel.

You should have rocks thrown at you if you drive a Dodge.

There's nothing wrong with a Dodge. I've owned 3-4 Dodge Cummins. This is the first one to not live up to shat it should.

If there's someone to blame for problems my current one has, then it's all the government BS that's on it. All this emissions crap was forced on us. Imagine how much better everyone's vehicles would run and how much more mileage we would get if it weren't for EGR valves, catalytic converters, DPF's, or DEF systems...

For any engine to run at peak performance it has to get plenty of air and exhaust plenty of air. When you start choking things down, that's where the trouble starts.


It does sound like I'm going to perhaps enjoy better mileage with the Ford. Best I've done with my current truck is an avg. of 12.5. Highway, unloaded is 14-15. Loaded is about 10.

Tough? Yes, until they went to the coil spring front suspension. The lower control arm bracket is a weak point in front end collisions. Doesn't take much to total the truck from what I've seen.

The power in that 6.7 caught me by surprise when I used a friends to pick up ten 700 lb square bales. I have two later 5.9s in Dodges to compare it to.

My F-350 DRW, CC, 6.7 PSD is a 2016. With camper package, "Max Tow" package etc., the GVW on this truck is 14,000.. I pull a 40' Raptor toy hauler when we go to the Sturgis rally. Daily driving (shorter distance) mileage is in the 11-12 area.. Long distance (empty) runs about 16.5, but then this truck has 4:30 rears.. Pulling the camper (18K GTW) the mileage is about 9..






With 440 hp and 880# torque, ....it's rated for #26,500 5th wheel towing. The power this 6.7 puts out is excellent - and winter starting's simply a non-issue...

I'm anxiously awaiting your recommendation on what I should buy, then.

I have a 2012 350 with a 3.31 rear no problem towing 12,000 on the flat get 12-15 depending on wind thats a 70 MPH....with a light load 500-750 lbs. most of the time not towing combo city-x-way 18-19 mpg...if kept to 60 mph 20-22 mpg 75-80 mph 19-20 mpg.....a short trip is 30 miles most trips are a couple hundred....regens around 300 miles...

With a dual I think you can get no smaller than a 2.73 rear.....see no need for a 4.10 unless your pull all the time 26,500 lbs.....

Compared to my old 2001 7.3 with a 3.73 it saves me about 5 gallons on the same 350 mile trip....

Guys, I have ONE option with the rear end. With the 14k lb GVWR package, you get the 4:10 rear end. It has a payload capacity of 6540 lbs and towing capacity of 31,300 lbs.

I need a heavy duty truck. I don't haul with it all the time, but I need it to do it when I hook up.

If that costs me some gas mileage, that's just the price I pay for needing a heavy duty truck.

I swear driving through Alberta northern BC and Yukon territory Dodge has the monopoly nothing but ram 2500 and 3500's. As you know Alaska seems split between ford and dodge. I had a 2014 f250 with 6.2 gasser great driving truck but traded it in for a new ram 2500 with the 6.7 Cummings.

'11 f-250 6.7L, 3:31's, 112k Mi (I bought it new). Crew/6.75' box.

Radiator under warrantee @ 80kish

EGR valve under warrantee @ 105ish. Said they probably could've cleaned it but since I was only ~60 days from end of warrantee period they replaced it for me.

Front brake calipers @ 105K covered under warrantee, I paid for new rotors and pads since it was apart and they were paying labor.

That's it for non-regular maint. It's WAY MORE TRUCK THAN I NEED, but I love it! Until recently I pulled a ~4k# boat ~500mi/weekend. Other than that I drive it for long family trips and it's my hunting truck.

I still drive that 500mi/weekend to my lake camper, but leave he boat there so drive empty. Can run 80 for 1/2 the way on interstate and 75 on a US 4-lane the other 1/2. 16 MPG round trip @ that speed without a big head/tail wind. +/- 2mpg with head/tail wind. Run Interstate in MN @ 72-73 and it's 18-19.

No plans to get rid of it anytime soon.

Not just GM - the nearest dealer of any kind, is 75 miles from my house!
I DO believe GM closed the most dealerships, though. Ours had been established in 1953, IIRC.

EXACTLEY Barry! Not to mention the chiitty diesel we are forced to buy on the road nowadays! Fuggin EPA bastids!

Engine light came on on my 6.7 yesterday
took it to the dealer
no charge to me he said
Ford recall some kind of Exhaust sensor
of course ford does not tell you there is a recall until you bring it in.

I will pick it up tomorrow and see if they charge me or not.

I can't believe that you don't see a chit load of GMC trucks on the road. After all, the GMC commercials on TV say they are "Professional Grade."

I have a 2012 F-250 that I bought new. About the same time Redneck bought his. I consistently get between 17 and 18 with mixed highway/town driving. I pull a 32ft gooseneck some that weighs 8200# with up to 12000# on it with no problem. The mileage does drop down to around 10. When empty I will average around 17 on a 2500-3000 trip. And it runs!