Can only provide this photo as tree is located on a secure facility and no cameras are allowed. Actually took me awhile to just get the sample. What is it?

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Looks like what we call a Horse Chestnut.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesculus_hippocastanum




Jerry

Buckeye

Yup, buckeye.

Looks like a type of Hickory to me, guessing maybe a pig nut.

It is indeed a Buckeye. Apparently not good for anything. Thanks guys.

Nope, members of the Carya Genus have oppositely opposed leaves laid out much farther apart. Five bunched together is buckeye.

Do squirrels cut on them?

Obviously you never hit a buddy with one when you were growing up...

Persimmon

Leaves are nothing like persimmon... which is the only Native true Ebony in NA.

What is true ebony? My interest is piqued.

Ebony is a Genus of trees with very black wood.... Gaboon ebony is the most commonly used wood for making fore end tips on wood stocks. Persimmon has coal black heartwood, but not much of it. The sap wood is very white.

Persimmon is extremely hard and heavy,, like black ebonies. It is used for making wood golf club heads. I saw a floor made of it at a golf country club and it was incredible.

Many woods that do not measure up to ebony have common names that include "ebony."

Ohio State fans are probably saying the same thing after the Sooners trounced them over the weekend.

There was definitely an ass kicking in the horse shoe and the buckeyes furnished all of the ass. Looks like his pixie dust comment to Tom Herman kinda backfired on him. powdr

That's what happens when you run your mouth.

You have not lived until you have been in a Buckeye fight with your buddies....We used to go Home bruised from Head to Toe....

People used to carry buckeyes in their pocket for Good Luck.
Same as a rabbit's foot.

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Persimmon, cut and dried, makes some fine woodcutting wedges that won't tear up your chainsaw if you accidentally hit it. Dogwood, too.

I bet a persimmon floor would be impressive.

Ed

Good info there Sd. My cousin has a fair sized 60-80 yr old one in his feedlot. I will tell him about that. Thanks.

Too bad Ohio football uniforms dont have pockets.

I was given one as a youngster for good luck. I carried it for a long time before it escaped.

Buckeyes and horse chestnuts aren't the same thing.
Buckeyes have 5 palmed leaves with pointed tips and the fruits are covered with spines. The buds are dry.
Horse chestnuts have 7 palmed leaves with rounded tips and the fruits have fewer spines than buckeyes. The buds are sticky.
Buckeye trees get taller. Buckeyes are native to the US while horse chestnuts were introduced from Europe.

Neither are edible. Supposedly you can boil buckeye seeds to remove the acid and they're safe to eat. I tried it one time with some horse chestnuts. After a couple hours of boiling, they were still far too bitter to even taste.

Persimmon leaves are alternate down the stem. They aren't palmated like the ones in this photo.

If you are into that sort of thing, try to get your hands on a chunk of mountain mahogany... it is the only NA wood I would say trumps persimmon... and I am including both ironwood and cocabolo in that comparison. Mountain mahogany was tested for use in woodwind instruments but they could not find fasteners stronger than the wood when testing screw-holding ability.

Shuttles in woolen mills were exclusively made of persimmon forever because it never wore out...

I have no idea where this info comes from, but it is mostly incorrect...

Buckeyes and horse chestnuts belong to the same Genus and the names are pretty much interchangeable. To decide to call some buckeyes and others horse chestnuts goes against what everybody else has been doing for a very, very long time. Your separation by leaf numbers is completely false, as is the shape. If nothing else you are leaving out some of the common ones from Asia, Japan, and other parts of the World.

Also, most can be crossed and produce fertile offspring in many cases...

The wood is very nice but does not command a high price until cut and dried as the wood is a little tricky to dry and mills do not find it a favorite to cut!

Here in N. La., buckeyes grow on a bush that grows about head high. About the most buckeyes I ever saw on a bush was 10-12. When I worked in Ca., there buckeyes grew on trees. I saw buckeye trees that were 25-30 ft tall with hundreds of buckeyes. Just to make sure they were the same thing, I picked a few. The buckeyes from Ca. were larger.

Back in the 1980's the Japanese got on a golfing kick, so they started buying up all of the persimmon they could find to make golf clubs with. Prices here soared. Lots of people would go to church on Sunday morning and come home to fine the persimmon tree in their yard gone. There was a minimum diameter that would be bought, but I forget the size. miles

Same genus, yes. Same species, no. While they might cross, that doesn't make them the same thing. Case in point: dogs and wolves. I've argued for years that dogs and wolves are breeds of the same species but I've been outvoted time after time. So, I'll use everyone elses argument and contend that these trees are different. What they're commonly called is irrelevant. What they actually are is what matters and they are genetically different.

We have buckeye trees in the 12 acre piece north of our house. That piece borders up with a neighbor who has several large buckeye trees and has made no attempt to cut them down or trim them up. That means over the last 50 years we now have buckeye trees on our place. I'm about to jump over the fence and trim off the offending branches that have grown over to our side. Buckeye trees and multi-floral rose bushes seem to grow together making the elimination of the buckeye trees difficult without cutting through large patches of the multi-floral roses. To the best of my knowledge nothing eats the buckeyes. They just continue to grow out of control until they meet Mr. Echo or Mr. Stihl. Like the Supreme Court says, they have no redeeming social value. Although, I agree, they make great missiles for a "friendly" buckeye fight.

kwg

Sitka, is mountain mahogany the same as Madrone? i know i have destroyed many saw chains on Madrone

No, madrone is nothing like mountain mahogany. Madrone is the absolute best wood for making charcoal for making black powder though. It leaves very little ash when it burns.it is also quite dense so it has some btus. It is fairly closely related to manzanita.

Really!?!

Sorry, but you are totally and completely incorrect.

There are MANY species of bushes and trees called buckeyes/horse chestnuts. In many parts of the World they have their own names that we usually translate to buckeye/horse chestnut. They are all common names and generally don't mean squat. No texts that I used in college or since list a difference between buckeyes and horse chestnuts. They are not different groups under the same genus... splitters would be all over that.

Your division by leaves is incorrect in every example I am aware of.

Fad trees take it hard sometimes!

I grabbed this from Wikipedia. It's a short list of common buckeye and horse chestnut species. If they're all the same, why this list? If they can interbreed and produce fertile seeds, then they're all the same species and this listing is all in error.

Aesculus arguta: Aesculus glabra
Aesculus californica: California buckeye (western North America)
Aesculus × carnea: red horse chestnut
Aesculus chinensis: Chinese horse chestnut (eastern Asia)
Aesculus chinensis var. wilsonii: Wilson's horse chestnut (eastern Asia)
Aesculus flava (A. octandra): yellow buckeye (eastern North America)
Aesculus glabra: Ohio buckeye (eastern North America)
Aesculus hippocastanum: common horse chestnut (Europe, native to the Balkans)
Aesculus indica: Indian horse chestnut (eastern Asia)
Aesculus neglecta: dwarf buckeye (eastern North America)
Aesculus parviflora: bottlebrush buckeye (eastern North America)
Aesculus parryi: Parry's buckeye (western North America, endemic in Baja California del Norte)
Aesculus pavia: red buckeye (eastern North America)
Aesculus pavia var. flavescens: Texas yellow buckeye, yellow woolly buckeye (eastern North America, narrowly endemic in Texas)
Aesculus sylvatica: painted buckeye (eastern North America)
Aesculus turbinata: Japanese horse chestnut (eastern Asia, endemic in Japan)
Aesculus wangii: Aesculus assamica (eastern Asia)

Wiki is far from my first choice for definitive info on anything... but the same page you linked from starts with this: "Common names for these trees include "buckeye" and "horse chestnut" "

Notice where the common names derive and see if you do not catch on about common names versus scientific names...

You can be dumb, obtuse, whatever, but that should be enough... you probably had to read past that for your cut and paste!

Common names for these trees include "buckeye" and "horse chestnut"

You earlier posted different leaf counts for buckeyes and horse chestnuts... you were wrong there too as they all have the same leaf count.

Have a nice day!

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Yep, I saw the above picture and thought "That's not a Buckeye..."

California Buckeye

At least you won't have problems understanding that Aesculus means "horse chestnut" even though the common name is mostly "buckeye"... cannot be said for the denser sort...

Where ya been, Scott?

Back in late 1969, early 1970, Not long after I had returned to Surveying for the Highway Dept. from my Army tour, We were topo'ing a yard North of Searcy, Arkansas for the new 4 lane version of US highway 167. The property owner came out and asked the Instrument man to guess what kind of tree that was in His yard. The Instrument man looked it over, and replied that it looked like a buckeye to Him, but He had never seen one that big. It was a tree about 8-10 inches in diameter. I had never seen a buckeye of any kind at the time, but I remember it very well. I could probably find that house, if it is still there, today. I got pretty good at ID'ing trees as time went along, but still ran into some transplants that would stump me. I figure that was brought in from elsewhere, as I never saw another as big in Arkansas after that. I did see a forty acre patch that was probably near 50% persimmon near Fordyce, Arkansas that was the largest that I ever saw. They would run between 24" and 30" diameter. I never knew until then that they got that big. All that I have ever seen was small, around 10" diameter. Was back there a few years later and that patch had been clearcut. miles