Guys, this is going to sound real corny, forgive me for that.
But with a persons passing many people come forward to say as nice a thing as they can remember about the guy, as it should be. At that point the struggles are over, and by gone's are by gone's.
When my dad died after a 7 month bout with cancer, my middle sister went into some kind of funk because she couldn't cope with losing him. Funny and sad thing was she wouldn't come see him when he was sick, even tho she lived only 20 miles away. The rest of us spent as much time as we could with dad and didn't have the regrets she had. Now she treats mom the same way too, and we keep telling her mom ain't gunna live forever.
Paying respects is the right and honorable thing to do when someone passes, to be sure. But why not do the same while we're still alive? Why so negative to each other when there's still time to do something about it?
Sometimes if a family member is going through their end days/months with a disease like cancer or Alzheimers - people stay away because they want all their memories to be of the person they grew up with and knew, not what they've become and as much as you tell yourself that the person you see in their last days isn't who you knew 40/50 years - it's the last, most fresh memory. That can be rather painful.
a lot of folks can't directly face or deal with the inevitable. they don't want to acknowledge reality, because they can't, not that they don't want to. and so it is with many of us humans.
My dad was a worthless POS that was stolen from us by alcohol in the 70's although he lived until 2011. I didn't particularly care to be around him when he was alive, or when he was dying of congestive heart failure. He was true to form and was a worthless POS right up until he died.
But, he was my dad, and I had to deal with him on many levels through the years. Most were unpleasant. His death was unpleasant and the memories he left are unpleasant.
Another worthless POS died recently that I knew. Most everyone wished this person would die, so that they could have peace in their lives, free from theft, credit card fraud, and destruction. But when the POS died from years of drug abuse, it was sickening to she how she suddenly reverted to "angel" status.
As far as the difference is how I personally treat another person when dealing with them when they are alive... that all depends on the respect mutually shown. If none is shown, none is given.
Start an atonement post for defending squirrelnuts huh? Congrats on finally reaching 25k plus post and orifice status.....
There's a time and place for everything.
Squirrelnut didn't pick the right time or the right place.
Wait until after the funeral to piss on the grave... I did. No sense in showing what a classless jerk you are by doing it at the wrong time, in front of the wrong people. That just shows you are lowlife.
Guys, this is going to sound real corny, forgive me for that.
But with a persons passing many people come forward to say as nice a thing as they can remember about the guy, as it should be. At that point the struggles are over, and by gone's are by gone's.
When my dad died after a 7 month bout with cancer, my middle sister went into some kind of funk because she couldn't cope with losing him. Funny and sad thing was she wouldn't come see him when he was sick, even tho she lived only 20 miles away. The rest of us spent as much time as we could with dad and didn't have the regrets she had. Now she treats mom the same way too, and we keep telling her mom ain't gunna live forever.
Paying respects is the right and honorable thing to do when someone passes, to be sure. But why not do the same while we're still alive? Why so negative to each other when there's still time to do something about it?
We all make choices. You all have a good day.
Paying respects is for the living, there is nothing you can do for the dead. I've been to a few funerals that I didn't give one shiet about the person that was dead, but I did about some of the people that cared for the dead person. I was there to support the living.
It's not difficult to understand if you ain't half a twit.
My dad was a worthless POS that was stolen from us by alcohol in the 70's although he lived until 2011. I didn't particularly care to be around him when he was alive, or when he was dying of congestive heart failure. He was true to form and was a worthless POS right up until he died.
But, he was my dad, and I had to deal with him on many levels through the years. Most were unpleasant. His death was unpleasant and the memories he left are unpleasant.
Another worthless POS died recently that I knew. Most everyone wished this person would die, so that they could have peace in their lives, free from theft, credit card fraud, and destruction. But when the POS died from years of drug abuse, it was sickening to she how she suddenly reverted to "angel" status.
As far as the difference is how I personally treat another person when dealing with them when they are alive... that all depends on the respect mutually shown. If none is shown, none is given.
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But none should mean none, positive nor negative...
Start an atonement post for defending squirrelnuts huh? Fireball2 Congrats on finally reaching 25k plus post and orifice status.....
There's a time and place for everything.
Squirrelnut didn't pick the right time or the right place.
Wait until after the funeral to piss on the grave... I did. No sense in showing what a classless jerk you are by doing it at the wrong time, in front of the wrong people. That just shows you are lowlife.
Ya. Stepping on your dick with golf spikes on , aint exactly a good thing at times. (Fixed the quote ya snatched it before I did an edit to it, dont need a misunderstanding)
Sometimes people want to remember a loved one as they were and not how how they wasted away due to a disease, especially one as horrendous as cancer. There are times I wish I didn't witness the pain and suffering.
A friend of mine has often said "If you won't come to see me when I'm alive, don't bother coming to the funeral".
I was taught to not disrespect the dead, for it shows two things, first and foremost, you don't have the capacity for forgiveness, and second, you make it damned tough for people to want to be around you because you lack respect for others.
Forgiveness isn't about letting someone off the hook for something they've done, it's about you letting go of your hurt and getting on with life, free of the anger. The person who has hurt you doesn't even need to know that you have chosen to forgive them, because it's not about them, it's about you and your health.
Paying respects is for the living, there is nothing you can do for the dead. I've been to a few funerals that I didn't give one shiet about the person that was dead, but I did about some of the people that cared for the dead person. I was there to support the living.
It's not difficult to understand if you ain't half a twit.
...But none should mean none, positive nor negative...
Contrary to popular belief, respect and trust are gifts, not the wages of effort.
We give respect and trust, but when someone betrays those gifts, they can easily be taken away. We can choose to give them back if the other person lives in such a way to insure you that your original gift was correct, or we can withhold them forever.
Some folk don't understand the whole "gift" thing to begin with and never enjoy the benefits of respecting or trusting other people.
...But none should mean none, positive nor negative...
Contrary to popular belief, respect and trust are gifts, not the wages of effort.
We give respect and trust, but when someone betrays those gifts, they can easily be taken away. We can choose to give them back if the other person lives in such a way to insure you that your original gift was correct, or we can withhold them forever.
Some folk don't understand the whole "gift" thing to begin with and never enjoy the benefits of respecting or trusting other people.
Sometimes people want to remember a loved one as they were and not how how they wasted away due to a disease, especially one as horrendous as cancer. There are times I wish I didn't witness the pain and suffering.
You're not alone, no one wants to see that. Again, it's not about how we are, it's about how the sick or injured are.
I didn't want to watch my Dad die, nor my Mom, but I wasn't there for me, I was there for them.
Being there was the hardest thing I have had to do, particularly when I was the one who told the doctors to unplug my Dad, but it was the right thing.
Writing Greg's life down for that post wasn't for Greg. It was for us, selfishly, for me.
Forgiveness isn't about letting someone off the hook for something they've done, it's about you letting go of your hurt and getting on with life, free of the anger. The person who has hurt you doesn't even need to know that you have chosen to forgive them, because it's not about them, it's about you and your health.
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Exactly, carrying a load of anger around will get heavy on the mind & soul...dump that chiit and move on, even if that means pissing on their grave to settle matters.
My 1 biological grandfather is a POS, he'd have been dead long ago by my hand if it wasn't for my Mother's stern words...wife beating, child beating, drunkard, cheating, worthless and mean human being. We disowned his azz years ago, always trying to come around for attention and family. He's dead now and hopefully paying the reaper for his vile and cruel ways...no one went to his funeral, no one sent flowers, no loved ones to miss him.
We all get what we deserve in the end, one way or another.
i given i have worked in a retirement area for about 40years, plus my own family, have come to understand there is no commonality among how people deal with grief. Some people try to avoid it, some bottle it up, some are cracking up. I have seen all types of behavior when people pass. some are pretty easy to see they are shallow, self centered, don't give a poop. i have seen this in brother and sister, one caring the other mostly concerned about the check. But i like some have mentioned, was taught not to speak ill of the dead. Also to stand there and do what you can with the survivors. I am attending more and more funerals, reflective of my age. what is sad, is to sit in an almost empty church, a funeral for a classmate, delayed victim of vietnam, and the few other people as you talk to them say they were there because they were afraid no body would be there, and that's not right. I figure at that point what ever their sins are, they are probably talking about them in a different venue. aint up to me at that point. geez, i had a 95year old client dieing in a hospital one time. He asked me if God had forgiven him for cheating on his wife one time in 1943. She certainly made him pay for it every year after. my comment to henry was, i don't think given the quality of your life you led, something in 1943 is gonna influence the books.
I agree that we should treat each other with respect sometimes in life we have fights, quarrels and disagreements and sometimes things get out of hand or disrespectful but that doesn’t mean that you hate or dislike the person. I’ve been an ass many times and I’ve been displeased with myself for the way I acted, in most cases that I regretted I later apologized. People have been an ass to me but that doesn’t mean I dislike them or hate them. We’re all human and we all screw up sometimes but it’s how we forgive and move on that makes us better people. I try to not carry grudges and let my emotions get in the way of my interactions but sometimes I fall short and disappoint myself but that doesn’t stop me from trying to be better.
Some of the roughest and most surly men I’ve known were some of the kindest and most gentle souls in the purest sense. Like Scott said the funeral is for the living and the memories recalled are for those that care. Speaking ill of the dead is just poor form and low class for all but the worst of the worst. I don’t know what could be said of the departed that would change a single thing other than to show the lack of respectability of the speaker.
Like others have said I’ve been to funerals where IDGAF about the deceased but I cared a lot about those that loved him.
I'm asking why we don't treat each other better while we're alive? Why wait until someone dies to say something nice? By the time they're gone, you're pissing up a rope and you are the one left with a heavy heart for not having done some nice gesture while you had the chance.
How many guys wished they had met Greg? How many regret that there was hard feelings between them? All it would take is two people to make the choice to make it right while there's life left to live. After death, there's just regrets if not done.
I used my family to illustrate the point. I'm not trying to start anything here. Just a simple question, why don't we treat each other better today, while we still can? I guess it's about our ability to forgive ultimately.
I had a great uncle that was a crooked old SOB. He had cheated just about everybody who had ever done business with him, and along the way had amassed a lot of land. His kids wouldn't go against him because they were afraid they'd be kicked out of his will. Several years before his death, he and I had a falling out over a piece of farm equipment, that he priced to me for one price, then tried to double it when I went to pay for it. That was last straw for me, as there had been other instances as well. Anyway, when he died, the family asked me to be a pallbearer. I wanted badly to tell them just what I thought, but I took the high road, and am glad I did. I was nice, acted as though I cared about their loss, and remained friends with them. Behind the scenes, I considered his passing to be about damn time the old goat left this world and ceased screwing people. Of course, I kept those thoughts to myself, which is probably the best thing one should do, all things being considered.
Keeping your own counsel solves all the problems associated with 'why' when it concerns others.
Scott, your very first post towards me was to STFU, so there's no room for you to be critical. You cook your own goose from what I've seen. Regardless, i don't know you and wish you no ill will, although my patience has worn thin with your mouth many times.
Start an atonement post for defending squirrelnuts huh? Congrats fiireball2 on finally reaching 25k plus post and gaining official orifice status.....
Squirrelnut didn't start it with the dearly departed, the dearly departed did. I've never seen any point in saying nice things about someone in death you didn't like that you wouldn't say about them in life so I don't. I don't wish the guy ill at this point but I don't miss him, either. I hope he is at peace.
Lay off Fireball, he's a thoughtful person with a good heart and it took guts to post some of things he's posted considering the mob mentality that permeates this place and his knowing he would be attacked.
Keeping your own counsel solves all the problems associated with 'why' when it concerns others.
Scott, your very post towards me was to STFU, so there's no room for you to be critical. You cook your own goose from what I've seen. Regardless, i don't know you and wish you no ill will, although my patience has worn thin with your mouth many times.
Once again, reading comprehension and IQ are tripping you up before you get to the first turn.
Start an atonement post for defending squirrelnuts huh? Congrats fiireball2 on finally reaching 25k plus post and gaining official orifice status.....
Squirrelnut didn't start it with the dearly departed, the dearly departed did. I've never seen any point in saying nice things about someone in death you didn't like that you wouldn't say about them in life so I don't. I don't wish the guy ill at this point but I don't miss him, either. I hope he is at peace.
Lay off Fireball, he's a thoughtful person with a good heart and it took guts to post some of things he's posted considering the mob mentality that permeates this place and his knowing he would be attacked.
Just a simple question, why don't we treat each other better today, while we still can?
I think it's up to each of us as individuals to ask ourselves "why don't we I treat each others better today, while we I still can?"
Your original question makes me think of those spoof videos of cowboys on horses trying to herd cats. I think it all boils down to the fact that it's all we can do individually to tend our own mittens.
All folk are due a graveside toast. With some folks, it is the good stuff, others it is just light beer, and for some you filter it through your kidneys first. But they all wait for the dirt to stop moving.
Start an atonement post for defending squirrelnuts huh? Congrats fiireball2 on finally reaching 25k plus post and gaining official orifice status.....
Squirrelnut didn't start it with the dearly departed, the dearly departed did. I've never seen any point in saying nice things about someone in death you didn't like that you wouldn't say about them in life so I don't. I don't wish the guy ill at this point but I don't miss him, either. I hope he is at peace.
Lay off Fireball, he's a thoughtful person with a good heart and it took guts to post some of things he's posted considering the mob mentality that permeates this place and his knowing he would be attacked.
We need a Victims Forum.
No shyt.... I have gotten into more scraps on this site than I can even begin to remember. And neither me nor anyone else has come out of them none the worse for the wear.....Tito get me a tissue...
I've never seen any point in saying nice things about someone in death you didn't like that you wouldn't say about them in life so I don't.
You can live up to that without compromising your principles by saying nothing derogatory about the person at a time when those who liked him are all trying to get their heads around the fact that he's gone. Sometimes what you don't say is even more important than what you DO say.
You have every right to feel the way you do about the man, and I daresay you have the right to say what you please. But just because you CAN say or do something does not make it the best course of action. Your words hurt a lot of people you probably didn't mean to hurt, at least in the beginning. In your persistence you hurt yourself.
I don't know you, but I take you to be a young fellow. Learn from your mistake. Make amends. That's the mark of a man.
Start an atonement post for defending squirrelnuts huh? Congrats fiireball2 on finally reaching 25k plus post and gaining official orifice status.....
Squirrelnut didn't start it with the dearly departed, the dearly departed did. I've never seen any point in saying nice things about someone in death you didn't like that you wouldn't say about them in life so I don't. I don't wish the guy ill at this point but I don't miss him, either. I hope he is at peace.
Lay off Fireball, he's a thoughtful person with a good heart and it took guts to post some of things he's posted considering the mob mentality that permeates this place and his knowing he would be attacked.
Regarding this thread and a couple other recent ones, Some of you [bleep] are truly disgusting humans. I'm a nobody around here who hides in the shadows in hopes of learning something. Once in a while I make the mistake to click on one of the good old boys club post and find a bunch of grown men acting little bitches. Grow the [bleep] up, and I also feel , like the OP, you should treat people like you want to be treated. Even this POS millennial knows that. Some of you should be ashamed. Talking about being great men and great Americans, but I'd be embarrassed as [bleep] if you represented me or my family or country.
Squirrelnut didn't start it with the dearly departed, the dearly departed did. I've never seen any point in saying nice things about someone in death you didn't like that you wouldn't say about them in life so I don't. I don't wish the guy ill at this point but I don't miss him, either. I hope he is at peace.
Nice spin but too little too late. You've already showed your ass and it's just plain hateful..
Squirrelnut didn't start it with the dearly departed, the dearly departed did. I've never seen any point in saying nice things about someone in death you didn't like that you wouldn't say about them in life so I don't. I don't wish the guy ill at this point but I don't miss him, either. I hope he is at peace.
Nice spin but too little too late. You've already showed your ass and it ain't pretty.
I don't give a schitt what you think about me, chief. Lol.
Regarding this thread and a couple other recent ones, Some of you [bleep] are truly disgusting humans. I'm a nobody around here who hides in the shadows in hopes of learning something. Once in a while I make the mistake to click on one of the good old boys club post and find a bunch of grown men acting little bitches. Grow the [bleep] up, and I also feel , like the OP, you should treat people like you want to be treated. Even this POS millennial knows that. Some of you should be ashamed. Talking about being great men and great Americans, but I'd be embarrassed as [bleep] if you represented me or my family or country.
Regarding this thread and a couple other recent ones, Some of you [bleep] are truly disgusting humans. I'm a nobody around here who hides in the shadows in hopes of learning something. Once in a while I make the mistake to click on one of the good old boys club post and find a bunch of grown men acting little bitches. Grow the [bleep] up, and I also feel , like the OP, you should treat people like you want to be treated. Even this POS millennial knows that. Some of you should be ashamed. Talking about being great men and great Americans, but I'd be embarrassed as [bleep] if you represented me or my family or country.
You must be Jewish
I haven't been around long enough to know if that is a compliment or insult. However, no jew in me...
Squirrelnut didn't start it with the dearly departed, the dearly departed did. I've never seen any point in saying nice things about someone in death you didn't like that you wouldn't say about them in life so I don't. I don't wish the guy ill at this point but I don't miss him, either. I hope he is at peace.
I've never had harsh words with you, nor do I intend to. You have the right to speak your mind, and be your own man. I have no problem with blunt honesty including your distaste for someone, obviously you and the Gent didn't get along...and it could have been all his choice to offend and pizz you off.
It's not about offending the dead, nor respecting their reputation...it's about the caring innocent souls they loved the man, people he was dear to in their lives. It's those you don't want to offend, they are the innocent victims, they are the ones in pain and sorrow.
I have seen those die that I didn't miss, and said to myself "good riddens azzhole"... I'm far from perfect and have made mistakes I regret, but rarely make them twice. We all get hot headed, and emotions come tumbling out...it's human nature. But fixing your wrongs, goes a long way in a peaceful life without regrets.
Hate who you want, feel how you'd like...but don't hurt those survivors in pain.
Keeping your own counsel solves all the problems associated with 'why' when it concerns others.
Scott, your very post towards me was to STFU, so there's no room for you to be critical. You cook your own goose from what I've seen. Regardless, i don't know you and wish you no ill will, although my patience has worn thin with your mouth many times.
Once again, reading comprehension and IQ are tripping you up before you get to the first turn.
You spend an inordinate amount of your energy looking for ways to put other people down, so we pretty much know where you're coming from.
There's a few guys here that get where I'm coming from, you aren't one of them.
Keeping your own counsel solves all the problems associated with 'why' when it concerns others.
Scott, your very post towards me was to STFU, so there's no room for you to be critical. You cook your own goose from what I've seen. Regardless, i don't know you and wish you no ill will, although my patience has worn thin with your mouth many times.
Once again, reading comprehension and IQ are tripping you up before you get to the first turn.
You spend an inordinate amount of your energy looking for ways to put other people down, so we pretty much know where you're coming from.
There's a few guys here that get where I'm coming from, you aren't one of them.
He spends an inordinate amount of energy being a loudmouthed azzhole hiding behind a keyboard.
I get what you were trying to say and thanks for doing so.
Talking about the legacy left behind by any deceased is not disrespect. sometimes it happens to be what some consider a despicable/dishonorable legacy they left behind,and sometimes not, it is what it is whatever it is....I don't see it as a taboo subject either way... People pick and choose as to which deceased folk they consider it OK to talk about.
Talking about the legacy left behind by any deceased is not disrespect. sometimes it happens to be what some consider a despicable/dishonorable legacy they left behind,and sometimes not, it is what it is whatever it is....I don't see it as a taboo subject either way.
There's always time for that after an appropriate duration.
Talking about the legacy left behind by any deceased is not disrespect. sometimes it happens to be what some consider a despicable/dishonorable legacy they left behind,and sometimes not, it is what it is whatever it is....I don't see it as a taboo subject either way.
There's always time for that after an appropriate duration.
One can do nothing but praise the dead at their eulogy before they are even in the ground, but how long does one need to wait to point out the less admirable aspects of that person life?
Posting styles with similar spacing and style, one after the other. Other postings of completely different style. Subject matter setup in an orbit around controversy in another thread. Pretty similar to the where's Waldo/deflave thread b.s from earlier this yr and what people were speculating on who's who in all of that. And fireball2 being all in that chyt too as a central character, with similar allies showing up also. Hmmmmm, just saying...
One can do nothing but praise the dead at their eulogy before they are even in the ground, but how long does one need to wait to point out the less admirable aspects of that person life?
Is in the car on the way to the wake too soon?...
There's a way to say those things without kicking everyone else in the teeth. You can point out or mention a man's weaknesses without being a callous a$$hole when you care enough about other folks' feelings to do that.
Dude I'm an equipment operator and landscaper from Oregon. Native Oregonian, 51 years. I don't have the desire or the knowledge to pretend to be anybody else. If I have anything to say I'll say it as Fireball2.
The controversy only arises when the same half dozen guys dogpile the thread just because that's what's in their heart. I ask an honest question and they make it personal, as always. Feel free to chat by PM if you doubt what I say.
Dude I'm an equipment operator and landscaper from Oregon. Native Oregonian, 51 years. I don't have the desire or the knowledge to pretend to be anybody else. If I have anything to say I'll say it as Fireball2.
The controversy only arises when the same half dozen guys dogpile the thread just because that's what's in their heart. I ask an honest question and they make it personal, as always. Feel free to chat by PM if you doubt what I say.
I ran with some of the best sock puppet running mofos on here for yrs, interacting and helping out on things some people still think happened to this day. I came clean months ago to all on here with several postings on my threads i started. Pm rickbin and ask him if i fessed up to my doings. And I will freely answer any question about the tn mafia via pm to anyone that feels a need. Then said persons can do whatever they want with it for all I care, post the question and answer for all to see. You seem to be a central character in controversy and deflection alot of times. Very recognizable pattern to me from experience..........
You are welcome to think what you will, but I just don't have it in me. Life is too complicated at home to spend the energy here strategizing anything. I asked a simple question, why do we wait until someone dies to say something nice about him? Why not make the effort while we are still alive and have a chance to effect some change for the better? Used my family as na example of how those choices affect a persons mental state later.
I have no idea how that could ever be construed as a bad idea but look, the thread speaks for itself.
Sometimes people want to remember a loved one as they were and not how how they wasted away due to a disease, especially one as horrendous as cancer. There are times I wish I didn't witness the pain and suffering.
Same lame ass excuse used by everyone that didn't want to be there for the ones around them suffering. No one wants to see that, but that is what love and humanity are all about.
My young wife died of cancer; it took awhile, and she was a beam of light right up to the end. There were those that uttered your words and they missed the very best in that sweet woman and they have to live with that, although most were too selfish to care anyway.
Keeping your own counsel solves all the problems associated with 'why' when it concerns others.
Scott, your very first post towards me was to STFU, so there's no room for you to be critical. You cook your own goose from what I've seen. Regardless, i don't know you and wish you no ill will, although my patience has worn thin with your mouth many times.
This is why I later called you an idiot. We were having a civil discussion and then you go off in the post above. I never said STFU, I never implied it. You can't comprehend the written word then immediately make it about you, like victims do.
Once again, you start the shiet but I'm the bad guy. Why, because you're too [bleep] stupid to understand what is written and go straight to victim in zero point 3 seconds.
Keeping your own counsel solves all the problems associated with 'why' when it concerns others.
Scott, your very post towards me was to STFU, so there's no room for you to be critical. You cook your own goose from what I've seen. Regardless, i don't know you and wish you no ill will, although my patience has worn thin with your mouth many times.
Once again, reading comprehension and IQ are tripping you up before you get to the first turn.
You spend an inordinate amount of your energy looking for ways to put other people down, so we pretty much know where you're coming from.
There's a few guys here that get where I'm coming from, you aren't one of them.
Yes, they are called idiots as well. Once again, you couldn't comprehend what I typed, because you are stupid, and immediately go into victim mode.
I know if kicked the old can tomorrow I could care less what the folks on 24 hour said about me I’m dead. I have several buds that will help my wife in fulfilling my request for spreading my ashes in the alphabets in unit 13.. I think some folks are more concerned about how people feel about them after they kick the ol can.. I say who cares..
Guys, this is going to sound real corny, forgive me for that.
But with a persons passing many people come forward to say as nice a thing as they can remember about the guy, as it should be. At that point the struggles are over, and by gone's are by gone's.
When my dad died after a 7 month bout with cancer, my middle sister went into some kind of funk because she couldn't cope with losing him. Funny and sad thing was she wouldn't come see him when he was sick, even tho she lived only 20 miles away. The rest of us spent as much time as we could with dad and didn't have the regrets she had. Now she treats mom the same way too, and we keep telling her mom ain't gunna live forever.
Paying respects is the right and honorable thing to do when someone passes, to be sure. But why not do the same while we're still alive? Why so negative to each other when there's still time to do something about it?
Regarding this thread and a couple other recent ones, Some of you [bleep] are truly disgusting humans. I'm a nobody around here who hides in the shadows in hopes of learning something. Once in a while I make the mistake to click on one of the good old boys club post and find a bunch of grown men acting little bitches. Grow the [bleep] up, and I also feel , like the OP, you should treat people like you want to be treated. Even this POS millennial knows that. Some of you should be ashamed. Talking about being great men and great Americans, but I'd be embarrassed as [bleep] if you represented me or my family or country.
Be patient Whiskey. There are still nuggets of good information and lessons to be learned on this sight. Although some times they are few and far between. It gets ugly around here every so often but there are also some great folks who have a lot of information to give. It's up to you to sort it out.
Regarding this thread and a couple other recent ones, Some of you [bleep] are truly disgusting humans. I'm a nobody around here who hides in the shadows in hopes of learning something. Once in a while I make the mistake to click on one of the good old boys club post and find a bunch of grown men acting little bitches. Grow the [bleep] up, and I also feel , like the OP, you should treat people like you want to be treated. Even this POS millennial knows that. Some of you should be ashamed. Talking about being great men and great Americans, but I'd be embarrassed as [bleep] if you represented me or my family or country.
You must be Jewish
I haven't been around long enough to know if that is a compliment or insult. However, no jew in me...
Whisky, stick around, and join in. The company can be a bit rough around the edges, and I was warned about a few in particular when I joined, but there is knowledge and good will here as well. I've butted heads with both steelhead and crossfireooops, but they each have thier own value. I've also debated just walking away. So far, the good outweighs the bad.
We all know that the varieties of human values, thought and behavior are endless. I try to accept folks as they arrive, give them a reasonable amount of respect and trust according to the circumstances, and take it from there based on their ensuing behavior. Unless I am responsible for what they do, any expectations on my part are worthless and needless. I think this can be a good approach to places like the Campfire
Every person I ever hired, and most of my students, were told clearly that they could not earn my trust and respect - that I had taken the risk of giving both respect and trust to them in full measure at the outset - and they knew my hope that they could appreciate that and not do anything to lose either. Most took and used that very, very well - some did not. They soon were gone. That is simply one man's method, and it has seemed most humane to me. Yours may be better - much better. Consistency with one's espoused values and beliefs looms large among others.
Internet acquaintances usually flash some things quickly. So be it - one can assess quickly and decide how to handle them. Seems like I rarely avoid a strong discussion about values - even a battle here and there - but often it's difficult to do that well and honorably on the Campfire, or almost anywhere on the internet. Lots of variety here.
Friends are different and, even as a kid, I decided to not try to seek friends. Friendships develop as a result of interaction, judgments based on important shared values, and the felt joy of the relationship. Good decisions regarding friendship require discernment. One of the best pieces of advice my wonderful Dad ever offered was that a man should choose as friends only those who will bring out the very best in him. Thankfully, I have a few. Few, but precious.
As for comments upon the passing of another, I try to follow a rule. One should say of the deceased only those things that one would have said to his/her face when alive, and best to avoid saying things that might be, even in the least, injurious or disrespectful to those who mourn the passing. I'm about to lose a beautiful friend following almost 50 years of enjoyment, deep respect and wonderful mutual accomplishments. The comments will be easy, the loss difficult. Hope there is something useful here.
CCCC, Very well said and I pray for peace for you and your friend on the final journey of this mortal life. It’s never easy but I’ve found much relief in my faith. God bless.
Isn't there a Meatloaf song that sums up Fireballs thoughts on this?
??? What is the title? "Im a clogged up douche nozzle with a fuqqed up sense of right and wrong amongst me and my allies"
Could be....I thought it was this one....
Kinda of a running joke growing up amongst us , was the "that" he would not do was take it up the wazoo from his girlfriend wearing a strapon. Maybe in this situation from certain people's posting on this thread "that" is something they would do for love in a heartbeat.🤣🤣🤣
