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Posted By: Billy_H Shane Barbour - 12/05/17


Here's my account of my Washington state elk "hunt." Be careful where you spend your money.

THE OFFER
A buddy of mine won a hunt auctioned on Shane Barbour's Westcoast Adventures and Outfitting. He won the auction at $1600. After the auction, Shane told my buddy that he would honor that same price if he knew anyone else interested. My friend called me and told me about the auction, that was advertised as a "Five day, fully guided fair chase" Roosevelt elk hunt on 120,000 private acres.

THE CALL
I called Shane to set up payment and talk about the hunt. He told me about his property, and the huge heard of elk with several legal bulls. He told me that he "averaged 320-380 inches" on his bulls, and that the shot distance would be 40-80yds. He told me that bulls were still chasing cows, and that I "would tag out on a bull." He also told me to "make sure" I had a bear tag, because they were seeing 4-6 every day. He said we would only cover about 5 miles a day. Shane told me the only reason he offered the other hunt to my buddy, was because he "had to keep his guides working." I asked for information that I would need, but he was really only interested in telling me that I needed to pay in full before the hunt. The only communication I got from him was a text the following day asking if I had sent payment yet.

THE MEETING
Roundtrip airline tickets, over $700 in non-resident license and tags, weeklong hotel stay booked, and I'm in Washington state. My buddy and I meet Shane briefly the night before the hunt (after several phone calls he finally decided to show) to get an idea of the day and week to follow. Shane is with other "clients" and they are bar hopping. Shane says, "that’s what you do at elk camp, get drunk every night and hunt elk in the day." The only real info we got was that we were meeting the next morning at 0600 for breakfast at the Best Western. There were no less than 9 hunters there. One had to go home because his elderly wife had become sick. We had no clue so many people were there to hunt with Shane. After the meeting, all of the hunters followed Shane in their personal vehicles to the hunting area about an hour away.
THE HUNT OF A LIFETIME

The only "guides" were Shane, and a 19 year old college student that he has working for him. We'll call him "Bob." Shane told us that "all of the other hunters are going to sit in blinds. Bob is going to take you guys (my buddy and I) and walk up the mountain and push the elk back down towards the blinds." Shane told us all that we would have two bulls on the ground by lunch. Shane then took another guy that was on the hunt the other direction, to also push elk toward the blinds. Bob had a handheld gps, and literally took us from point A to point B. We didn't look for elk. We didn't spot for any movement. We were drivers for the blind hunters. Bob told us that Shane told him to "walk us to death so we would want to sit in a blind." While walking, we questioned Bob on some of the things we were told be Shane, and found several discrepancies. We ended up seeing scattered sign, but nothing to show that there was anything there in numbers. We met back up at the vehicles at the predetermined time, then all drove half an hour away to a diner. For the evening hunt, walking was not an option. Shane said he wanted everyone in blinds. Nobody in blinds saw anything, but the one person guided by Shane saw some cows. For some reason, there was no bait anywhere and the game cameras were pulled before rifle season because, as Shane said, "I just pulled the cameras because I didn't have any extra cards." That evening my buddy asked for Bob to come to our hotel room to go over the game plan for the following day. The subject came up that Bob would have to be back home Sunday night for college the following day. He did not have an answer about who our guide would be, when Shane was left with 8 hunters by himself.

DAY TWO
We meet again at breakfast, same time. We follow Bob and his gps from point C to D this time. The only thing we saw were a couple of small black tail deer. Then only person to see elk was the same guy still being guided by Shane. Bob said we had to meet up at the vehicles by 0930. While at the vehicles, Shane called my friend and I over to his truck. He told us that he had another property, only 40 acres, near Graham that we could hunt instead. It was closer to my buddy's place, so that meant no hotel. I asked about the bear tag, since no one had seen one or any sign of one. He told me there were none in Graham, but as far as elk "that's where the BIG ONES are. If you go there, it WILL happen. There's only 3-5 bulls in there, but they are all shooters." It also answered the question about not having a guide. He told us he "had guys on standby to help us quarter and haul them out once we got them." We would follow Bob to the location, and he would show us the blinds and tree stands, then we could hunt it every day by ourselves. We drove to the hotel, packed up and checked out, then drove three hours to Graham in a snow storm.

40 ACRE PROPERTY
We arrived mid afternoon, along with three inches of fresh snow. Bob showed us the location and the trails. He told us the farmer on the other side of the property had already tagged out during muzzle loader season. He walked us to a new ground blind that was set up on the edge of a deep drainage creek filled with water. The blind literally skirted a well used game trail passing through the water. The other ground blind was set up on top of another game trail that had an empty bucket sitting in the middle of the trail. I assume it was a bait site, but again, there was nothing. Bob told us we were supposed to sit in a tree blind, but the water had came up too high. With the fresh snow on the ground, spotting game and tracks was easy. The only tracks were ours. We left out at dark. Zero activity.
DAY TWO
We were back on location at daylight. The weather had turned, and a warm up was forecast. Everything was perfect as the sun began to rise. Except for, the repeated shotgun blasts from the neighbors hunting geese. About 0930 I texted my buddy that I was going for a walk. He met me at my blind, and I used logs and sticks to cross the high water. I crossed the clearing that Shane said the elk used to travel to their "bedding area." I found bobcat tracks, and nothing more. The snow was as perfect as the moment it fell. We found the entire back half of the property under 2-12 inches of water. We asked ourselves, "If Shane just pulled cameras, why didn't he know this was under water?" We were both upset by the conditions, lies, and lack of activity. We called the day a wash and didn't go back to hunt the evening. That night my buddy called Shane and told him we were not satisfied with our 'guided, fair chase' hunt. He called Shane a liar, and Shane hung up on him. I called Shane back to see what was going to happen. Shane said I had paid, and was welcome to continue to hunt. He said the evenings were the best time to hunt that property, and that we had made a mistake by not going out.

DAY THREE, THE LET DOWN
I hunted the day by myself. My buddy refused to go back, I didn't blame him. I walked the property again, crossing the high water. No activity. No sign. Some of the snow melted, but a blind man could see that nothing crossed this property. Another morning of shotgun blasts. I had decided that this would be my last day of this nonsense. I was tired of looking at snow melting. This night, Shane called me and asked how it went. I told him and he had no comment. He had a lot to say, mostly the same things he has said from day one, "bro, this is what I do. I don't have a job. I know my animals. I know my land. 99% of elk are shot from a blind, etc. etc…." He made sure to tell me that he did us a favor by letting us go to the new property. He's a fast talker, and has his speeches memorized. About an hour later, he called me excited. He said the "neighbor across the street saw the heard move down." He said, "they will be crossing the property the next day for sure."

DAY FOUR, A NEW HOPE
I hunted alone again. I was in the blind next to the water where Shane had told me the elk crossed properties. I had walked in in darkness, hopeful that I would see something this day. Anything legal. Legal hunting light started at 0610. At 0610 there was a rifle shot very near to where I was sitting. On a forty acre piece, there was no way to pinpoint the direction. I actually got excited at the prospect of someone pushing animals my direction. Nothing. No movement. No sounds of anything moving. By 0900 I had decided that I was done, and called my buddy to get him to put something together for fishing or duck. I didn't want to waste the last two days of my two weeks of vacation with nothing to show for it. I walked the property again to ensure that there were no new tracks.

DAY FIVE
We fished a local river and caught some booted up coho. A refreshing change from the previous days. Shane called again to ask if I'd seen anything. I told him I didn't. I wasn't worried about the last day of looking at trees, and a lie to a liar is no lie at all. He told me that no one on his other property had taken a shot either. The only time they saw a bull, was in a clearing while they were driving out to go to lunch. He told me that he himself was on his way to Graham, now that the other hunts were finished. He said he was "going to look at a few other properties" and would get me out one final time before I left Washington to "kill a bull." I dismissed it as soon as he said it. I knew it was another lie. He already had my money, along with everyone else's on the hunt. No reason to kill an animal if you get paid the same either way.

LAST CHANCE
My buddy had set us up with a guided float fishing trip on Friday, knowing that I was flying out the next day. After the last call, he asked me if I wanted him to cancel. I told him "no," we're going fishing. Shane called me about mid morning while we were on the boat. My mind was rushing with what type of 'property' he had me set up to hunt next. This call was different. Shane had an attitude. He asked me where his pop up blind was. I was confused for sure. He told me that he was at the property and that we had moved his blinds, because they were gone. I told him that we did not move his blinds, and that they were there when we left. He again said, "no, it's gone and so are the chairs." I had to describe to him which trail to take to get to the blinds and where they were situated. I told him about the bucket in the trail and he said "what bucket?" He said that he had found the new blind, but the old one was gone. I told him that if I was going to steal his blinds, I would take both. I wouldn't leave the new one and take the old one. He hung up the phone. I texted him about an hour later to find out if he found it and he just texted back "yep."

AFTERMATH
Shane never did offer me another attempt on a different property that week. After I got home from the trip, with everything weighing on my mind, I decided to tell Shane how I felt about his operation. I sent him a message on facebook to document everything. He had excuses for everything, and more fast talk. He told me that "all the other guys paid $6k for this hunt," and that we "got a deal." The only thing he said with any resonance, is that I can come back again and hunt for free. All it will cost me is another round trip airfare, non resident tags, hotel, meals….. Either that, or I can go to a legitimate outfitter for the same price that he charges for access, that actually cares about putting animals on the ground. Oh yeah, and all inclusive. I found several Washington guides that charge $6k for 1 on 1 guide, meals and lodging included, private land. I also did a google search for "Washington elk hunting Shane Barbour." There are SEVERAL threads on forums about this clown. I know I should've done my homework before the trip, but we really felt he was legitimate because he was working with a non profit. We now know he's just using the non profit to fill "spots" on his hunts. If you go to his facebook outfitter page, he even auctions off hunts for pennies on the dollar to try to get people out there. Real outfitter's don't need to do that. He shares the same pics over and over again, even posting them on his timeline to make people think they were recently taken. Of the 120,000 acres, we checked google maps and found that we were only using about two square miles of it. There's no telling what's on the rest, but there's little to nothing on the small piece we were on.
Posted By: Billy_H Re: Shane Barbour - 12/05/17
If anyone here has dealt with him, please send me a private message.
Posted By: Fireball2 Re: Shane Barbour - 12/05/17
You sure Shane wasn't a taxidermist or gunsmith?
Posted By: gunner500 Re: Shane Barbour - 12/05/17
Damn, what a massive clusterf-ck!
Posted By: rem141r Re: Shane Barbour - 12/05/17
stevie wonder with a keyboard could have seen this coming.
Posted By: FAIR_CHASE Re: Shane Barbour - 12/05/17
Billy H, why join a site like this one to bitch about something after the fact? If it really matters to you, you would have already been a member.
Posted By: Billy_H Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by FAIR_CHASE
Billy H, why join a site like this one to bitch about something after the fact? If it really matters to you, you would have already been a member.


If I knew about everything before it happened, I'd have enough money that I'd never need to be on this site at all. What makes you think I'm bitching? I'm attempting to inform other hunters of the BS I went through so it doesn't happen to them, and to find others in the same boat. Regardless, I did a search on the forums here and nothing came back about Shane, which leads me to believe that no one has brought anything up here. That means being a previous member would've netted me zero benefit. I'm curious though, if you're so busy that you don't care to read informative threads on a hunting post, why are you even here in the first place?
Posted By: WyColoCowboy Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
I'm still trying to figure out the "bait" in regards to elk hunting?
Posted By: byd Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Look on the hunting Washington site in the elk category there is a thread with over 100 posts.
Posted By: Billy_H Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Yes sir, I'm on there as well.
Posted By: Billy_H Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by WyColoCowboy
I'm still trying to figure out the "bait" in regards to elk hunting?


In Washington state, you are allowed 2 five gallon buckets of any type of bait you'd like to use.
Posted By: 12344mag Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
I hate a thief.
Posted By: HitnRun Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Did "Shane" drive a yellow Avalanche?
Posted By: NDsnowman Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
I'm sorry for what happened to you. I am curious what organization auctioned off this "hunt"?
Posted By: jackmountain Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
No Bears were ass shot, so couldn't be.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
~~~ Shah-shah-shaaaaannnnnnnnne,....Shane o'fools~~~

Posted By: jackmountain Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Now that's funny.
Posted By: Billy_H Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by NDsnowman
I'm sorry for what happened to you. I am curious what organization auctioned off this "hunt"?



The "auction" was done by Shane on his Westcoast Adventures and Outfitting facebook page.
Posted By: Billy_H Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by HitnRun
Did "Shane" drive a yellow Avalanche?


He was driving a white double cab truck.
Posted By: erikj Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by HitnRun
Did "Shane" drive a yellow Avalanche?


Laffin. Is that really a thing?

I wouldn't accept bottled water in a drought from anyone driving a yellow avalanche.

Thanks for speaking up Bill.
Posted By: bobmn Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Fair Chase: I appreciate when a fellow hunter exposes a fraudulent guide. When someone posts about a thief there is always someone who insists upon shooting the messenger. The internet has been a wonderful tool for shortening the crooked career of fraudulent guides. I suggest you google Blair World wide or Martin Pieters.
Posted By: bobmn Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Billy H: The reason you did not see another post about Shane is that most guys are too embarrassed about being screwed.There is nothing to be ashamed about because they are up against a master shyster with much more experience at being a thief. Thanks for your report. Ignore the few pot shots you will undoubtedly receive. The rest of us appreciate it.
Posted By: gunner500 Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by bobmn
Fair Chase: I appreciate when a fellow hunter exposes a fraudulent guide. When someone posts about a thief there is always someone who insists upon shooting the messenger. The internet has been a wonderful tool for shortening the crooked career of fraudulent guides. I suggest you google Blair World wide or Martin Pieters.


You're exactly right Bob, I appreciate the warning about any and all crooks.
Posted By: MallardAddict Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
This goon has been pulling this bullschitt for years. Had I know this happened I would have pulled you out of the hotel and taken the week off to take you hunting gratis. I’m no guide but neither is Shane. He was the bow tech at the local Sportsmans Warehouse.


I wish I knew you were considering this. Hell he COMPED Eva Shockey a hunt and she left after 1 day.
Posted By: MallardAddict Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by WyColoCowboy
I'm still trying to figure out the "bait" in regards to elk hunting?



Apples in cow pastures is his usual mo.

He has killed some elk and apparently has a significant set of leases. That said everyone on the local forums who have hinted with him report being put in blinds on cow pastures with apples and corn for bait. Graham is not a big city and most properties there are not very big. Probably not many farms over 100 acres.

And it does get the crap shot out of it for ducks and geese. I know as I hit birds in that area and have many friends who live and farm there.
Posted By: MallardAddict Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by HitnRun
Did "Shane" drive a yellow Avalanche?


Almost complete opposite side of the state from Mark.
Posted By: tzone Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by bobmn
Fair Chase: I appreciate when a fellow hunter exposes a fraudulent guide. When someone posts about a thief there is always someone who insists upon shooting the messenger. The internet has been a wonderful tool for shortening the crooked career of fraudulent guides. I suggest you google Blair World wide or Martin Pieters.


You're exactly right Bob, I appreciate the warning about any and all crooks.



As do I.
Posted By: FAIR_CHASE Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by bobmn
Fair Chase: I appreciate when a fellow hunter exposes a fraudulent guide. When someone posts about a thief there is always someone who insists upon shooting the messenger. The internet has been a wonderful tool for shortening the crooked career of fraudulent guides. I suggest you google Blair World wide or Martin Pieters.


Good grief, that was not the point of my post.
I don't use outfitters.
Posted By: Taco2fiddy7 Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
As soon as I saw the name in the headline I knew how this story would go. That sucks
Posted By: MallardAddict Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by Taco280AI
As soon as I saw the name in the headline I knew how this story would go. That sucks



Sadly anyone with ties to hunting in WA. could have called this one. I wonder if one could still find Eva Shockeys blast of him. He put her in a farm field off 224th and Meridian over apples and corn
Posted By: gunner500 Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by tzone
Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by bobmn
Fair Chase: I appreciate when a fellow hunter exposes a fraudulent guide. When someone posts about a thief there is always someone who insists upon shooting the messenger. The internet has been a wonderful tool for shortening the crooked career of fraudulent guides. I suggest you google Blair World wide or Martin Pieters.


You're exactly right Bob, I appreciate the warning about any and all crooks.



As do I.


Yes, I believe to a degree we are charged with NOT doing biz with crooks, we have to try and save them from themselves, correction after the fact causes so much paperwork. cool
Posted By: mathman Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by MallardAddict
Originally Posted by Taco280AI
As soon as I saw the name in the headline I knew how this story would go. That sucks



Sadly anyone with ties to hunting in WA. could have called this one. I wonder if one could still find Eva Shockeys blast of him. He put her in a farm field off 224th and Meridian over apples and corn



WTH is this?

https://www.facebook.com/evashockeyfanpage/posts/695087257185507
Posted By: CrimsonTide Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by MallardAddict
Originally Posted by HitnRun
Did "Shane" drive a yellow Avalanche?


Almost complete opposite side of the state from Mark.



He been known to travel. I saw him in Tennessee once.
Posted By: pointer Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by CrimsonTide
Originally Posted by MallardAddict
Originally Posted by HitnRun
Did "Shane" drive a yellow Avalanche?


Almost complete opposite side of the state from Mark.



He been known to travel. I saw him in Tennessee once.
IIRC he sweet talked a ride or ride share out of a guy from MT for that trip...

PS- I have an Uberlanche, but it is not yeller...
Posted By: MallardAddict Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17


That is a gross edit of her initial post. Also you will notice several people saying they wouldn’t pay that guide or recommend him after her last several posts. Posts which were later erased.......

The bull they are talking about is a huge 7x1 that was well known in that area for many years and pretty much lived on a dentists land that doesn’t allow hunting. This guide has land that butts up to it and apparently the bull was on it one day.

It was no secret they were in town for this “hunt”’and we ran into a few of her camera guys at a local bar and they said what we all knew. Corn and apples in a farm field 250 yds off a major highway intersection. Yes there are elk there and some are quite large but they are also half tame.

Read the comments as I know several of the guys posting on that who are hard core elk hunters, 3 of them present for my conversation with the camera man.

Or for more fun go to the hunt Washington site and search his name......
Posted By: mathman Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by MallardAddict


That is a gross edit of her initial post. Also you will notice several people saying they wouldn’t pay that guide or recommend him after her last several posts. Posts which were later erased.......

The bull they are talking about is a huge 7x1 that was well known in that area for many years and pretty much lived on a dentists land that doesn’t allow hunting. This guide has land that butts up to it and apparently the bull was on it one day.

It was no secret they were in town for this “hunt”’and we ran into a few of her camera guys at a local bar and they said what we all knew. Corn and apples in a farm field 250 yds off a major highway intersection. Yes there are elk there and some are quite large but they are also half tame.

Read the comments as I know several of the guys posting on that who are hard core elk hunters, 3 of them present for my conversation with the camera man.

Or for more fun go to the hunt Washington site and search his name......


I'm not doubting anybody, I don't do Facebook so I can't see the whole deal. I was just taken aback by what I could see, given what I read here.
Posted By: Billy_H Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Originally Posted by MallardAddict
This goon has been pulling this bullschitt for years. Had I know this happened I would have pulled you out of the hotel and taken the week off to take you hunting gratis. I’m no guide but neither is Shane. He was the bow tech at the local Sportsmans Warehouse.


I wish I knew you were considering this. Hell he COMPED Eva Shockey a hunt and she left after 1 day.



Thank you sir, I truly do appreciate the gesture. I've had no less than half a dozen people offer to take me hunting if I ever go back to Washington. It's very humbling to know that there are still decent people in this world. My only mission is to give people information on how he conducts business. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the next hunting show he attends this year. He uses the exposure he gets from the tv shows and personalities as a catalyst to sell to people that don't know any better. I've sent emails and messages to everyone that endorses him and have encouraged dozens more to do the same.
Posted By: Billy_H Re: Shane Barbour - 12/06/17
Here's a couple of links to the facebook forums:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/143...53&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic

https://www.facebook.com/groups/139...34&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic

There's some interesting comments for sure.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Shane Barbour - 12/07/17
Originally Posted by FAIR_CHASE
Billy H, why join a site like this one to bitch about something after the fact? If it really matters to you, you would have already been a member.



Thanks for letting others know.
Posted By: GaryS Re: Shane Barbour - 11/16/18
Hunters Beware - On a recent Guided Elk , this guide did not provide a Guided Elk that was paid for , six hunters to one guide is NOT a 1 on 1 guide service . There was no shuttle service as promised and no private property to hunt , and no blinds to hunt out of . The hunting area was on State Land open to everyone, the Guide was a inexperienced 18 year old boy with lots of excuses and attitude issues . There were no Elk in the area as well. Promises were made that Bull Elk were in this area and that we would see lots of Elk . This was simply not true . The area was obviously over hunted and the Elk , if they were there had been pushed out . And the last time I checked Elk are not bothered by rain and the time change , as our guide implied . Elk don't have watches and can't tell time . Find a different guide , this one is a Scam Artist. I feel totally ripped off. Gary S. Thanks For doing this for me !! No need to give my complete name . Gary S. is plenty for these types of people.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Shane Barbour - 11/16/18
I wonder if the "wonderful" Moreno Valkey elk guides in Northern NM still have those evergreens which apparently seem to produce apples by the truck load, it is said.

Surrounding ranches seem to have a dirth of elk after they start falling. NM Fish and Game seem to benefit from the apples produced by evergreens, it is said.

They have a great track record in getting elk. Just dont expect surrounding properties without the special evergreens to produce much more than blood, sweat and tears.
Posted By: kenacp Re: Shane Barbour - 10/17/22
I know this is an old topic, and I see nothing good about this outfit. Have a friend of a friend, heading up there in a few days. Can anyone chime in on "Shane"?
Thanks
Posted By: smokepole Re: Shane Barbour - 10/17/22
Originally Posted by WyColoCowboy
I'm still trying to figure out the "bait" in regards to elk hunting?


"We shoot 330-350 bulls regularly."
Posted By: Kenlguy Re: Shane Barbour - 10/17/22
I've been reading stories, none of them good, about this clown for years.
Posted By: DMc Re: Shane Barbour - 10/17/22
Thank you for the warning Billy_H. What you've done shuts these thieves down quicker than you may know.
Posted By: Rooster7 Re: Shane Barbour - 10/17/22
Originally Posted by kenacp
I know this is an old topic, and I see nothing good about this outfit. Have a friend of a friend, heading up there in a few days. Can anyone chime in on "Shane"?
Thanks

Thanks for bumping this. I missed it the first time. Is your buddy "hunting" with this Shane clown?
Posted By: kenacp Re: Shane Barbour - 10/17/22
No, my buddy backed out of the trip after reading about this clown. The friend has already paid big bucks, so will take a hit. Promised a record class elk....
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