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Greetings,
I would like to have a spare magazine for my Winchester Model 70 'Classic Sporter' chambered in .300 Win. Mag. The designated mark is an (E), as the rifle is Controlled Round Feed, not Push Feed. I found a part on Midwest Gun Works but it states for Push Feed. I enclosed a picture of my magazine and I'll provide the link of Midwest Gun Works. All replies are truly appreciated. Thank you very much.
* If any have the aforesaid item, I'm willing to purchase or if any can direct me to a supplier with a better price. (Most expensive.)
* Inserted a second link for clarity.
Winchester Model 70 DBM . 300 Win. Mag.Winchester Model 70 DBM . 300 Win. Mag
You need an "E" box for a .300WM???? Those are normally for the full-length magnums ala .300HH or 7mm STW..
You need an "E" box for a .300WM???? Those are normally for the full-length magnums ala .300HH or 7mm STW..
The (E) Magazine (DBM) "As Pictured" is what came with the .300 Win. Mag. I currently possess "Purchased New". However, MidWest GunWorks shows an (EC) for a .300 Win. Mag (CRF). What do I need, (E) as originally with the .300 Win. Mag. or (EC)? Thank you for the reply but I find the response somewhat confusing. Again, the (E) designation from MudWest GunWorks states for (Push Feed) 'only'.
In full disclosure, I've never had a M70 DBM in the shop so it's very possible that "E" designation in your rifle is for that specific bottom metal..
However, the .300WM, .7mmRM etc in the Classic M70 uses an "ML" box... The PF actions use a "BR" magazine for those rounds.. This comes right out of the Winchester parts book..
The "E" box is obsolete, but was used for the 7mmSTW & .300 WBY magnum in M70s with S/N below G318388... It's not shown as an option in the PF parts section.
I just called Winchester and spoke with Shannon and he said to get the (E), same as my magazine. I called Midwest and spoke with Robert who said (EC) (CRF). When I emphatically stated that Winchester said to get the (E), Robert said that should work if that's what you have now. The (E) designation specifically states (PF) which is highly confusing, yet Winchester said it should work.
* I do not know what a "ML" box is. My serial number is way below 318388: 'The first three digits on my serial number are 169XXX'. I believe you are completely correct. Could you tell me what the "ML" box is? Also, what DBM should I order (E) OR (EC)?
* Winchester stated (Robert) initially that my rifle (1996) did not have a DBM, rather hinged plate, "if you can believe that". I said to Robert I purchased brand new. After further checking Robert said they did not make many with the DBM and they were worth 'a lot of money' - "Audio log can substantiate every word verbatim". Robert finally admitted that I did have a DBM, 'Like I do not know my own rifle'.
Thank you very much for your assistance. So, should I purchase (E) OR (EC)?
PF stands for Push Feed action.. If you have an "E" now, then by all means obtain another "E".. He's right about the DBM being run only a few years, 92-94 (according to the Blue Book.
They weren't very popular and Winchester discontinued them. I'm guessing that "E" box was used for the DBM due literally to it's size.. It would allow the insertion/removal of a detachable box. However, it's use was really for rounds as I noted above..
But now my question is - are you just trying to add another "E" box or are you trying to find another detachable magazine? According to your chart you note in the original post, the "E" box is for the push-feed (PF) action.. But you indicated you have a Classic rifle, ergo, that would mean you'd need the "EC" magazine..
I don't show those - at all - in any of my parts books..
Interesting.
Thank you very much for your help. Sorry, in my hast I inadvertently forgot of (PF) which is push feed. What is a ML box, is what I'd like to know. I've edited the (PF).
* I'd like to have an extra Detachable Box Magazine as I now have with an (E) designation, not the box so to say. No offense, to clarify this more clearly, "The magazine holding the rounds" 'only'. I've enclosed a picture of what I currently have which clearly states (E) on the magazine. I've been through the parts books, can't find it either, so you are correct. The record keeping seems to be bungled after 1992 whether by fire,loss, etc. You are certainly correct in denoting the use of its uses, accompanied by the specific calibers. You are also correct regarding the years of production (1992-1994). However, I purchased brand new at the Kittery Trading Post in Maine in 1996, so how do I have a DBM which specs out for the years of (1992-1994)? I very much appreciate the assistance you provided.
* Regarding the (E) MAGAZINE which I have, would you know of any supplier other than MidWest Gunworks having one available? The price is $115.00 plus shipping of $11.95, simply bleeding the person in need. Sometimes, I believe that I should forego any firearms, especially when not even the manufacturer can provide a straight forward answer.
* I may have not clarified my statement in retrospect: " I have the (E) designation on the 'magazine' itself as provided in the pictured link. I was not aware of an (E) box being an addition to the magazine. Yes, just the magazine I'm seeking. Thank you.
Just because you bought it "new" in '96 does not mean the rifle was made in '96....I.e., they had it in stock for some time (usually designated as "New, Old Stock", for example, on Gunbroker)
Ok, so you're looking for the actual detachable part.. They won't be cheap - no matter where you look - simply
because they're obsolete.. You could try doing a search on Ebay and Gunbroker to see if any are listed.
the "ML" box is used for the .300 WM, .338 WM 7mm RM etc for a standard Classic rifle (i.e., drop floorplate) and it's a blued item.. This confusion results from the differences in references between a standard M70 classic and the DBM M70 classic - since the latter uses a similar letter to denote the detachable magazine while the standard Classic uses the SAME letter to describe a box magazine used for the standard M70 Classic chambered in the full-length magnums..
I can fully understand your dilemma here.. But detachable magazines are not cheap in any rifle.. Even the total pos magazines that Remington sells for their line of rifles (740,742,7400,750,760,7600) run $30+ each - and the REAL value is about $5, tops...
Browning BAR magazines run $65-75 depending... But at least those WORK...
Hope I made it a bit clearer..
No, Made in October 3, 1996 as verified by Winchester historian. Yes, you are certainly correct on all points you have illuminated. However, I believe you may be incorrect in terms of when the rifle was manufactured, unless the Winchester historian was incorrect. I provided the serial number and he quickly verified the aforesaid date specified, 'Coinciding with my receipt". Again, all information can be corroborated 'verbatim' via audio logs. All of my calls are logged. This is how I conduct business. In a sense, I do not like to use such technology but the society in which we live is just not fair or truthful.
* You have certainly clarified most of the subject matter, irrespective of the year manufactured. Could you enhance or elaborate upon the date of manufacture according to your synopsis vs. the Winchester historian? I truly appreciate the exemplary information you have stated in all of the above points.
* You're right on the money for the BAR magazines.
Interesting that Win sez yours was made in '96... That means the Blue Book is wrong... (Fjestad's Blue Book of Gun Values) which is where I looked to find dates of manufacture..
Hope this pic turns out:
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Note the book sez the date of manufacture for the Classic .300WM is " '94 only".
Yes, I've seen those facts numerous times and have been confounded with them. I just do not know who to believe anymore. Is there any way to determine the exact year if I provide my serial number to you?
* Someone is wrong. I forgot to mention that the Winchester historian also made mention: The rifle (1996) could have been fitted with parts from previous years in making the DBM. I did not mention this facet to you, only to see what answers you would provide. I had no intention, none on trying to deceive you. Accordingly, is the Winchester historian correct by stating that Winchester could have used parts from previous years to build a 1996, further adding, "It's not unheard of"? I never in my entire life have heard such things relating to firearms. Your opinion is truly appreciated.
Well, I've heard of it, but since you bought the rifle from a verified retailer I'm pretty sure it wasn't 'converted' by another person....but it's possible that Winchester did that.. Personally I would have NO idea who's the correct informant here...
One thing I just thought of - did the historian JUST verify the DOM, or did he also verify it came from Win as a DBM?
Winchester specified it was their rifle. In fact, seeing that you are a gunsmith, I sent the rifle back having a service number attached to it which I can provide to you. In reality, they provided a new stock, re-bedded according to my specifications, polished and re-blued all parts and provided a custom engraved grip cap only used with the Super Grade.
* Winchester provided the date of manufacture. I did not ask if it came from Winchester, for else would it derive? I can call back and present that question to him. But, where, but where else would it be coming from, 'again' if "not" from Winchester?
* I'm going to forego purchasing any more firearms, and may be returning to the monastery. This path is just growing worse by the day. I'll call Winchester again for the last time, then I'm simply forgetting everything. There are far too many snakes in this world, always ready to entrap the unsuspecting. In fact, i most likely shall "not" purchase from MidWest Gunworks for they feed off ones desire. In turn, at the appropriate hour, they shall be repaid in full by Our Eternal Light. Keep the faith, it is far more valuable than anything in this world for we shall all be redeemed at the transfiguration. If you wish to reply, you may. There are not many of your caliber left, hardly none. I am grateful for all the help you have provided.
I just called Winchester and spoke with Lenny, the historian. This is the same person I spoke with on November 20, 2017. After presenting the questions to whether the firearm came from Winchester, "Lenny replied" 'It did'. The rifle was sent to Kittery Trading Post on October 3, 1996 BUT it was manufactured in 1994 (One Year Run Only). Lenny provided the wrong information to me previously in saying the rifle was manufactured in 1996.
* In this respect, there were not many produced and as Winchester states, "It is worth a lot of money". If you would like to listen to the audio, I can send it to you via PM or your email.
Nah - that's ok.. Glad the guy verified that it was a '94 DOM... Value? Maybe - since they were made only a very short time.. However, the DBM rifles were (as I stated before) not popular and Win discontinued the run... They also say the BOSS models bring a premium, but in reality it's the opposite..
Did you check to see if those magazines are available elsewhere?
Hmm.. I just did a quick check and found bupkis.
I do not follow that terminology, 'bupkis' > "Does that mean nothing"?
Are these figures correct:
Nah - that's ok.. Glad the guy verified that it was a '94 DOM... Value? Maybe - since they were made only a very short time.. However, the DBM rifles were (as I stated before) not popular and Win discontinued the run... They also say the BOSS models bring a premium, but in reality it's the opposite..
Did you check to see if those magazines are available elsewhere?
"Classic" produced in 1994 only. Searched everywhere but the only person having any is MidWest GunWorks, one guy on GunBroker for $100.00. Why bother when MGW is $115.00. Climags has one only (EC) which I do not know whether the fitment is correct. $79.00
The rifle is out of commission and shall remain so for the value will increase. I've heard the stories of how the DBM's were not popular, But are far more expensive than a hinged floor plate. Try to find one. Glad they discontinued the run. The 1992- 1994 were the years the DBM was manufactured BUT in the "Classic Sporter" '1994' "ONLY".
Winchester .300 Win. Mag DBM (Designation E)
Winchester .300 Win. Mag. (CRF) Bolt
Standard Target Crown
I do not follow that terminology, 'bupkis' > "Does that mean nothing"?
Oh, sorry - yeah, it's a term for 'nothing'...
As to value (again) that can be richly enhanced if the original owner (you, in this case) has the original box, papers, hang tag, owners' manual etc., AND the rifle is kept in pristine condition.. All this applies to any rifle, naturally..
I've got a few myself like that....
I refer to those as my personal "401K"...
Naturally, I'm the original owner with all the bells and whistles, and some 'extras'.
Winchester 40th Anniversary AA Limited Edition for 1965-2005. The tin contains 25 shotgun shells AA Light Target Load 12 gauge.
Winchester AA 40th Anniversary limited edition tin with AA light target load 12ga 2 3/4", 1-1/8 ounce # 8 shot, 2-¾ dram equivalent, 1145 fps. 25 shotgun shells in original packaging unopened (Sealed).
Hopefully, I found one and purchased from Hoosier Gun Works in Indiana. I spoke with David who was very professional, courteous and friendly in placing the order. It is a pleasure to conduct business with people such as David. The (E) magazine comes in a box as well and is "NEW" for $75.00.
* I could not conduct any transactions with Midwest Gun Works for they are high minded, uncaring of others, while they seek to take advantage and compound upon it. I tried on Gun Broker as well, but the person offering the (E) magazine was nothing more than a snake believing that he possessed gold in the (E) magazine. He's been advertising for well over two years with the same listing, yet he claims he's selling two (2) per day. I told him this was very unrealistic due to the fact the the model year (1994) was only produced for that specific year in (DBM). Many have converted to drop down magazines, so in this respect, he is merely presenting false claims regarding the sale of the aforesaid. More so, he claims (Jim) that he purchased 3000 magazines which could be for many models, 'did not bother to ask'. In reality, I said, "Keep them for posterity, they may be of use to you".
* All information has been fully documented and can be verified. All replies regarding the stated synopsis or opinions are most welcome.
Article said plain as day that you need the EC
I'm well aware of what the article stated. Verified the information with Winchester (Lenny- Historian), as well as other gunsmiths. All stated that the (E) magazine would suffice (Work). The rifle was sent back to Winchester in 1996 to be re-worked. It was given to a master gunsmith, Victor Manzari in New Haven, Connecticut. Winchester's records are not accurate, nor can they provide any information regarding the destination, rather only holding an invoice to the service ticket number, as being given to Victor. I have the receipt (original) from the Kittery Trading Post which Winchester cannot corroborate. The only alternative would be that Victor substituted another box to strengthen the .300 Win. Mag. My magazine is "Designated" "E" if you have noticed the prior pictures (CRF) not Push Feed.
* I've inserted a picture to denote the differences of each magazine. Should the photos be accurate, my magazine is pictured at "LEFT" (E) and the one on the RIGHT is (EC). The (EC) magazine does not resemble the one I have (E). In this respect, I ordered the (E). The confusion is with the (PF) and (CRF). I cannot obtain an accurate answer to overcome the dilemma pertaining to the (PF) and (CRF). My Model 70, .300 Win. Mag. is certainly (CRF), so you can possibly provide an answer.
MY MAGAZINE
Side VIEW
Two Pictures Enclosed: (2)
1.) Chart Denoting Three (3) Types of bolts.
2.) CONTROLLED ROUND FEED - My Rifle
"MY BOLT- CONTROLLED ROUND FEED"
Interesting that Win sez yours was made in '96... That means the Blue Book is wrong... (Fjestad's Blue Book of Gun Values) which is where I looked to find dates of manufacture..
Hope this pic turns out:
Note the book sez the date of manufacture for the Classic .300WM is " '94 only".
*I've spoken with Lenny (Historian) at Winchester regarding the Model 70 "Classic Sporter" .300 Win. Mag. I own, and Lenny stated he could "not" find the "Classic Sporter" in the book, only the "Classic" as you make mention. Can you provide any explanation as to why the "Classic Sporter" is not listed or is the "Classic Sporter" the same as the "Classic"? Lenny did not know as his information is not accurate.
Thank you very much. Lenny (Winchester historian) could not provide that answer. Seeing that you may be available, could you rectify the issue of the magazines as set forth?
1.) As stated earlier, I have a (CRF) Model 70 DBM .300 Win. Mag. with the (E) type magazine. However, all specifications refer to the (E) as being compatible with a (PF). An (EC) magazine is allegedly for (CRF). Can you provide an explanation here?
2.) Winchester seems to be at a loss to explain this issue, rather only saying if you have the (E) use the (E). This response is really not valid when one is working with firearms.
3.) I've contacted custom gun makers specific to the model in question, along with so-called professionals (Will not mention names) and some of their responses are absolutely surprising. "I have no idea", "I don't know that much about Model 70" > 'When in fact they have written extensive articles about the Model 70.
Your input here is greatly appreciated. I'm to receive the (E) magazine today which Dave at Hoosier Gun Works confirmed. Yet, he has not provided an answer regarding the dilemma. He may be busy or maybe he wishes not to respond.
IMHO Winchester screwed up when they used the same designation for a pre-(S/N) M70 Classic "E" box is they did for the DBM "E" box... It causes confusion - even for me.. Since I've not had a DBM M70 in the shop (never had one either) I didn't know that Win used "E" to refer to two separate (and quite different) magazines..
The "E" box that I'm most familiar with is a simple tapered box used for the full-length magnums such as the .300HH.. I keep a couple on hand for the times when a customer is having a M70 chambered in such a cartridge when the original box (ala KFC, ML, etc) is not that long; i.e., 3.4" long instead of 3.7" long...
Who knows why these manufacturers choose some "X" designation for the masses, when their own internal parts numbers are more specific to what's needed..
Ergo, when an owner of a DBM M70 wishes to order a spare (or new) box, just finding an "E" box is no guarantee it's for the DBM rifle...which is why it's best to order one over the phone or at least on a website that shows a pic of the box to verify it's the correct one..
Thank you for the information. I'm not referring to the "box", rather the magazines as pictured above. One can notice the difference between the (E) and (EC). It is somewhat confusing where you mention or refer to the "box" as the magazine. I've purchased the DBM magazine, not the "box". I may be misconstruing your message but could you clarify this point by looking at the pictures as well?
* When you refer to the "box", the below picture is what I believe to be the "box".
Thank you for the information. I'm not referring to the "box", rather the magazines as pictured above. One can notice the difference between the (E) and (EC). It is somewhat confusing where you mention or refer to the "box" as the magazine. I've purchased the DBM magazine, not the "box". I may be misconstruing your message but could you clarify this point by looking at the pictures as well?
* When you refer to the "box", the below picture is what I believe to be the "box".
No idea why my post came out like that!?!?!?!
Here's what I actually typed in:
Actually, I didn't state it correctly above - when I was referring to the DBM owner I should have said "E" 'magazine', not 'box' per se.. Thanks for catching that.
As to those in your pics (kinda small, but I can make out the designations)....
ML refers to a box used for L/A magnum, .270, 30-06, 25-06. both for PF and CRF actions.
BR was for PF action, 7mm Rem Mag and .300 WM
I don't see the other two listed in any of the parts books, whether it's for PF, CRF, or CRPF actions..
The three in your second post might be for the BACOs, but they do not reference to anything from the NH books.
Thank you very much. So, is the magazine designated with an (E) the correct magazine for my rifle: "Model 70 (CRF) 'Classic Sporter' .300 Win. Mag.? This (E) magazine is what originally came with my rifle; picture inserted'.
* The question remains unanswered as to the (E) being compatible with a (PF) "ONLY" vs. a (EC) being compatible for (CRF).
* Irrespective of the main point, Would you know what "box" my rifle uses?
Those I don't know.. I don't think a DBM uses a 'box', so to speak - just the design of the bottom metal and action will guide that into place.
As to your magazine depicted above, to get a spare you'll need to find that exact duplicate..
Thank you very much for the information, and clarifying the issue of the "box" which I was uncertain. I just received the DBM (E) magazine from Hoosier Gun Works , "It is the same as the one I have" (Designated E). The (E) magazine fits the housing perfect.
1.) What I'm at a loss to understand is why the specifications state: DBM-(E) > For Push Feed 'Only'.
2.) Yet, DBM (EC) states: For Control Round Feed.
My Winchester is a (1994) Model 70- DBM (E) .300 Win. Mag., (CRF) , "How is the (E) magazine compatible?
* I'm sorry, but no answer has been forthcoming by anyone. David (Hoosier Gun Works) "Great Guy and very personable", said that he does not see many so he could not provide an answer.
Compatible with what? Your "E" magazine is for DBM versions.. The 'other' "E" box is for CRF non-DBM versions...
Simple.
No offense but I believe this picture says it all, "Which not any have addressed".
* Both of the magazines you see are for DBM'S: (E) and (EC). I simply cannot comprehend your terminology.
No offense but I believe this picture says it all, "Which not any have addressed".
* Both of the magazines you see are for DBM'S: (E) and (EC). I simply cannot comprehend your terminology.
So if the picture said it all why are you asking other than to troll. Back to your last post, your leading those that are extremely helpful here to an answer you already know. To discredit or other malicious intent I don't know. Usually, I am not confrontational on any website because I can just click the "back" key and ignore it but Lee is one of the good guys on here who seems to always be helpful.
Glad your an Expert who answered his own question. See my earlier comment about 50% of Engineers.You fit the stereotype regardless of pedigree.
So if the picture said it all why are you asking other than to troll. Back to your last post, your leading those that are extremely helpful here to an answer you already know. To discredit or other malicious intent I don't know. Usually, I am not confrontational on any website because I can just click the "back" key and ignore it but Lee is one of the good guys on here who seems to always be helpful.
Glad your an Expert who answered his own question. See my earlier comment about 50% of Engineers.You fit the stereotype regardless of pedigree.
I'm well aware of L.C's credentials. You need not bring anything to my attention.
So if the picture said it all why are you asking other than to troll. Back to your last post, your leading those that are extremely helpful here to an answer you already know. To discredit or other malicious intent I don't know. Usually, I am not confrontational on any website because I can just click the "back" key and ignore it but Lee is one of the good guys on here who seems to always be helpful.
Glad your an Expert who answered his own question. See my earlier comment about 50% of Engineers.You fit the stereotype regardless of pedigree.
I'm well aware of L.C's credentials. You need not bring anything to my attention.
Which means you have already been on this site by another handle, TFF.
@ 12344mag
I'm very much aware of his underpinnings, and I meant no disrespect to him, nor did I direct any unwarranted posts. However, I just cannot comprehend how I can ask the same questions over and over again with receiving an answer of finality. I'm speaking with ballistic technology people (Creme de la creme) trying to find an answer. As stated for about the fifth time, 'Winchester cannot provide an answer", Those so-called experts cannot provide an answer, Those who have written extensive articles on Model 70's cannot provide an answer. This is why I turned to L.C., hoping to find an answer. It appears there may be some type of misinformation being presented or the inquiry is not understood. In reality, I've spelled it out more times than not, yet the structure of the question always turns into multiple roads, never ending. I could have sent him a PM but decided to convey messages on the forum. Even though I know him not personally, yes, I consider him a friend. How he may view me is unknown.
* Maybe, you can answer the question regarding the two (2) types of DBM magazines (E) and (EC). The (E) specifically states for Push Feed 'Only', yet it is the magazine for my rifle which is a control round feed. The (EC) specifically states (CRF), yet this magazine will not fit my rifle housing. How clearer can I present this issue? A reply is appreciated. Thank you for being on an even keel, more so than many here. I did not realize, or maybe refused to believe that there are better people here, "only more of the same delving upon delusion, ready to discredit or mock others. In this respect, there was never any intention, none, of applying these traits or false values to L.C.
Jesus h f u c k I n g Christ, it's a gawt damm new haven model 70, not a f u c k ing blueprint for a space shuttle..... what is this ??? The 24hr campfire version of model 70 "jeopardy".
So if the picture said it all why are you asking other than to troll. Back to your last post, your leading those that are extremely helpful here to an answer you already know. To discredit or other malicious intent I don't know. Usually, I am not confrontational on any website because I can just click the "back" key and ignore it but Lee is one of the good guys on here who seems to always be helpful.
Glad your an Expert who answered his own question. See my earlier comment about 50% of Engineers.You fit the stereotype regardless of pedigree.
No shyt............
@ 12344mag
I'm very much aware of his underpinnings, and I meant no disrespect to him, nor did I direct any unwarranted posts. However, I just cannot comprehend how I can ask the same questions over and over again with receiving an answer of finality. I'm speaking with ballistic technology people (Creme de la creme) trying to find an answer. As stated for about the fifth time, 'Winchester cannot provide an answer", Those so-called experts cannot provide an answer, Those who have written extensive articles on Model 70's cannot provide an answer. This is why I turned to L.C., hoping to find an answer. It appears there may be some type of misinformation being presented or the inquiry is not understood. In reality, I've spelled it out more times than not, yet the structure of the question always turns into multiple roads, never ending. I could have sent him a PM but decided to convey messages on the forum. Even though I know him not personally, yes, I consider him a friend. How he may view me is unknown.
* Maybe, you can answer the question regarding the two (2) types of DBM magazines (E) and (EC). The (E) specifically states for Push Feed 'Only', yet it is the magazine for my rifle which is a control round feed. The (EC) specifically states (CRF), yet this magazine will not fit my rifle housing. How clearer can I present this issue? A reply is appreciated. Thank you for being on an even keel, more so than many here. I did not realize, or maybe refused to believe that there are better people here, "only more of the same delving upon delusion, ready to discredit or mock others. In this respect, there was never any intention, none, of applying these traits or false values to L.C.
As I've stated, several times before this,
I do not know much about the DBM rifles and/or magazines - as I've not had one in the shop, nor have I ever owned one or handled one, or even seen one.. As to the difference of the DBM "E" vs. DBM "EC", I just don't know. There are no references to these magazine in the parts books. And, IMHO, you're obsessing about minutiae that has zero to do with your particular rifle...
Your rifle came with, and uses, the DBM "E" box... That's it. Don't worry about anything else... You'll sleep better at night..
@ Redneck
In a certain respect, you are within reason of me being somewhat obsessed in trying to find an answer for the (E) and (EC) magazines. However, I've received comments via this thread or through PM stating the (EC) is for my rifle. This type of incorrect assertions just infuriates me to no end. When I research something, I like to acquire an answer if the path moves into months. In the interim, I've contacted the Kittery trading Post and shall speak with John who has thirty-six years of Winchester history.
* Seeing this rifle is a collectible, I wish to have all the documentation relevant for future use. Unfortunately, I tried to obtain an original copy of my invoice but the B.A.F. purged the records two years ago, so I'm out of luck. The invoice I have is a 'carbon copy', as the writing has worn off. I do maintain the original receipt that is clearly documented, as well as the Service No., as shipping to Winchester in New Haven CT. Do you believe that Winchester could not provide me information regarding who the rifle was shipped to: (Retailer). The only document Winchester maintains is the Service Ticket and the Master Gunsmith who built my rifle, Victor Manzari. They can provide nothing further. Thank you very much for the continued support you have provided.
Let's break this down realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll simple. You have a mag that fits your rifle now. You have the option to buy the same exact mag that will fit your rifle. BUY THE FRICKING THING......
P.S. nurse ratchet is on the way with her little white Dixie cup. Filled up to the brim with OCD meds for ya, and a juice box to help that handful of Skittles go down... she is also gonna whisper in your ear , that your rifle isn't as valuable as you want it too be.......
Jesus h f u c k I n g Christ, it's a gawt damm new haven model 70, not a f u c k ing blueprint for a space shuttle..... what is this ??? The 24hr campfire version of model 70 "jeopardy".
Nope, my vote is for another Larry Root incarnation.
Jesus h f u c k I n g Christ, it's a gawt damm new haven model 70, not a f u c k ing blueprint for a space shuttle..... what is this ??? The 24hr campfire version of model 70 "jeopardy".
Nope, my vote is for another Larry Root incarnation.
So you think Joan Crawford has risen from the grave? 😃😃😃 Larry must have a 3 page spread sheet to keep track of all of his sock puppets and passwords.😃😃😃
Firearms create a lot of different hobbies. Some of us are hunters, some reloaders, gun collectors, etc. Then there are those that take pleasure in picking the fly sheit out of the pepper and feel like they have accomplished something when they’re done.
Hey synoptic, why aint ya making super techy post on this anymore...... gotta work on that f u c k e d up barrel 270 thread I geuss.
Go play this techy i know it all s h i t on the winchester collectors forum. They will gouge out your eyes with a dull spoon and use em on a treble hook for catfish bait.
Those dbm model 70 even though a 1 yr production run are not worth what the op is asking... the Boss equipped model 70 were a two yr production run and you can’t give them away they sell pretty cheap for a classic model 70. The dbm are even less than desirable, one reason you can’t build custom anything on the due to the feed rails being incorporated into magazine, not the action itself.