someone replied to my ad from Cave City Kentucky and offered to buy my gun, it's too good to be true . he even offered to pay for shipment and sent a copy of his FFL license.
License Name: HORTON SAFETY CONSULTING LLC
Trade Name: HORTONS GUN AND PAWN
Premise Address:
508 A EAST HAPPY VALLEY ST
CAVE CITY, KY - 42127
Mailing Address:
650 BALE AVE
CAVE CITY, KY - 42127
verified the ffl on
https://fflezcheck.atf.gov/fflezcheck/fflSearchDisplay.do but I don't think that's Him.
any comments ?
Is he going to pay you before you ship the gun?
If you have doubts, don't sell.
Is he going to pay you before you ship the gun?
And by what means?
Is he going to pay you before you ship the gun?
yes , he is going to send certified cashier check .
these are the red flags :
my ad is asking for $500 , but you can buy the same gun new: for $300
he is asking me to ship it to his address , he doesn't know I can't do that in California , only an FFL can ship to another FFL
FFL owner don't give their FFL number to individual , only to other FFLS
this is part of his email :
I know that you might not be willing to ship due to past experience or no experience about shipping but do not stress yourself as I have an ffl you will be shipping to and like I said earlier I will pay for the shipping. I will be making payment through certified cashier check which won't take more than 24-48hrs to clear in your account which only after that you will shipping to my ffl. Send me the name and address where you want me to mail the check to.
looks pretty easy to verify via google-fu. looks like its his house and he owns a little gunshop. i'd call him before shipping. and also make sure his check or whatever clears first.
Ask for a postal money order instead.
Ask for a postal money order instead.
Yep.
Much harder to forge. While working in financial services we dealt with a lot of forged cashiers checks.
So call the pawn shop and ask some anonymous questions.
Why would you sell something for 200 over what someone could by new and why would someone pay that overage?
While working in financial services we dealt with a lot of forged cashiers checks.
My son had a mortgage brokerage, and had a fellow come to them with a long story about how he needed access to their line of credit for just a few days, was willing to pay for the service, and had a large cashier's check that he was willing to leave with them for security.
Red flags popped up in my mind, and I suggested that they call the issuing bank, in Canada.
Turns out that the cashier's check was issued based on the deposit in their bank of a large cashier's check from a bank in Africa. In the country of origin, just about anybody with $10,000 can create a bank. That's what the fraudsters did, and the Canadian check had no real funds behind it.
Don't know if the guy ended up in prison, but the Canadian bank's fraud folks took an immediate and intense interest.
Postal money order is cheap. Postal Inspectors take a dim view of postal money order fraud, and they have a long reach.
So call the pawn shop and ask some anonymous questions.
Why would you sell something for 200 over what someone could by new and why would someone pay that overage?
I will call the shop tomorrow , I am convinced their name is being used by scammer, will keep you posted.
And we are back to the same old question about shipping guns by non-FFLs with the totally clueless leading the charge...
And no FFL number to check the BATFE site.
Unless CA changed their rules lately an FFL cannot ship to a CA FFL without first registering with CA. Yet a non-FFL can.
Any FFL that asks you to ship to any address except the one on the FFL is bogus.
It's either a scam, or the FFL is breaking the law. You can't ship to any address except the one on the FFL. It's a crime for you to do it.
Also Persian maybe I’m reading your posts wrong but you don’t need to use an FFL in KOMMIEFORNIA to ship to a verified FFL address in another state. You can ship direct to the recieveing FFL. Problem is that if the sale goes south and that FFL needs to return the firearm to you it will need to be shipped to an FFL in KOMMIEFORNIA for you to pickup, complete appropriate paperwork and pay an FFL fee.
Also Persian maybe I’m reading your posts wrong but you don’t need to use an FFL in KOMMIEFORNIA to ship to a verified FFL address in another state. You can ship direct to the recieveing FFL. Problem is that if the sale goes south and that FFL needs to return the firearm to you it will need to be shipped to an FFL in KOMMIEFORNIA for you to pickup, complete appropriate paperwork and pay an FFL fee.
I was told by a dealer , I'll verify this.
Pdog,
You say, "my ad is asking for $500 , but you can buy the same gun new: for $300 "
WTF are you doing, trolling for scammers? I don't understand.
Also Persian maybe I’m reading your posts wrong but you don’t need to use an FFL in KOMMIEFORNIA to ship to a verified FFL address in another state. You can ship direct to the recieveing FFL. Problem is that if the sale goes south and that FFL needs to return the firearm to you it will need to be shipped to an FFL in KOMMIEFORNIA for you to pickup, complete appropriate paperwork and pay an FFL fee.
I was told by a dealer , I'll verify this.
10/4. Ask your guestion over on Calguns forum from the FFL’s overthere. Maybe my info is outdated for 2018 or the last couple of years.
You can also research the Calguns wiki page.
Pdog,
You say, "my ad is asking for $500 , but you can buy the same gun new: for $300 "
WTF are you doing, trolling for scammers? I don't understand.
because cost of FFL transfer is very high in California , if you buy a gun online you have to pay for tax + ffl cost + shipping + DROS
if you add up all the cost a $300 gun will be around $500 before you take it home.
I also offered to match for less on online price + above costs .
does it make sense now ?
Postal money orders are good for seller....... bad for buyer. Only time I ever got scammed, I sent a money order and never recieved the scope. The auction site had insurance that would reimburse me but I had to show them proof that the M O was cashed. Postmaster kept checking by phone and saying it was not cashed but they had to wait sixty days before they could issue me a replacement MO.
On the sixtieth day when I asked for replacement, they showed me proof that it was cashed by the seller two days after I mailed it.
To collect from the auction sites fraud insurance, I would have had to file within sixty days of the purchase.
No more post office for me.
No more post office for me.
What are you using instead of the PO?
Any FFL that asks you to ship to any address except the one on the FFL is bogus.
It's either a scam, or the FFL is breaking the law. You can't ship to any address except the one on the FFL. It's a crime for you to do it.
Praytell, what info do you have to say what the legal shipping address is?
Pdog,
You say, "my ad is asking for $500 , but you can buy the same gun new: for $300 "
WTF are you doing, trolling for scammers? I don't understand.
because cost of FFL transfer is very high in California , if you buy a gun online you have to pay for tax + ffl cost + shipping + DROS
if you add up all the cost a $300 gun will be around $500 before you take it home.
I also offered to match for less on online price + above costs .
does it make sense now ?
No it does not, unless you are going to the wrong FFL.
I buy, play with then sell several guns a year. ok more that several but wife may be reading this
and I never had to bump the price $200 to make money. The worst I have heard of down in SoCal is $85 including DROS my FFL is much less.
sorry to be a wet blanket, but I bought an item using a PMO. never received what I bought and the USPS did squat.
No it does not, unless you are going to the wrong FFL.
I buy, play with then sell several guns a year. ok more that several but wife may be reading this
and I never had to bump the price $200 to make money. The worst I have heard of down in SoCal is $85 including DROS my FFL is much less.
I left room for bargaining , basspro is charging $150 for FFL ! , also shipping is another $30 .
Been there done that, probably the same scam buyer.
I called and talked to Horton's, they told me a copy if their FFL is being used.
basspro is charging $150 for FFL ! , also shipping is another $30 .
Basspro is telling you they don't want to do transfers.
Been there done that, probably the same scam buyer.
I called and talked to Horton's, they told me a copy if their FFL is being used.
someone replied to my ad from Cave City Kentucky and offered to buy my gun, it's too good to be true . he even offered to pay for shipment and sent a copy of his FFL license.
License Name: HORTON SAFETY CONSULTING LLC
Trade Name: HORTONS GUN AND PAWN
Premise Address:
508 A EAST HAPPY VALLEY ST
CAVE CITY, KY - 42127
Mailing Address:
650 BALE AVE
CAVE CITY, KY - 42127
verified the ffl on
https://fflezcheck.atf.gov/fflezcheck/fflSearchDisplay.do but I don't think that's Him.
any comments ?
Then what I suspect they are doing is asking for the tracking number, and redirecting it while in transit.
.... basspro is charging $150 for FFL ! , also shipping is another $30 .
$150 for a transfer fee! Good hell. People around here whine about my $35 fee, and I live near Seattle!
$150 for a transfer fee! Good hell. People around here whine about my $35 fee, and I live near Seattle!
the cheapest one is $75 but about 20 miles from me. they charge too much because California DOJ requires a lot of redundant paper work , they don't make much money on it.
Been there done that, probably the same scam buyer.
I called and talked to Horton's, they told me a copy if their FFL is being used.
I might be able to do something about it , they are committing a few felonies in the process. I might call the KY PD tomorrow.
Been there done that, probably the same scam buyer.
I called and talked to Horton's, they told me a copy if their FFL is being used.
I might be able to do something about it , they are committing a few felonies in the process. I might call the KY PD tomorrow.
Doubtful the scam buyer is in KY. but it won't hurt to try.
Been there done that, probably the same scam buyer.
I called and talked to Horton's, they told me a copy if their FFL is being used.
I might be able to do something about it , they are committing a few felonies in the process. I might call the KY PD tomorrow.
If you want to play along, you many also need some local boys in blue to get involved.
Generally, here's how the sting works:
Have the scammer send payment to a drop box. You don't want to give him your real address. If the drop box is operated by the police, it's one less link in the chain of evidence. After the payment is received, a dummy package is sent. Since the thief can't pick it up from the FFL, he'll ask for the tracking number, call the shipper and have it redirected to a new address. When he signs for it, it's time to slap on the cuffs.
Been there done that, probably the same scam buyer.
I called and talked to Horton's, they told me a copy if their FFL is being used.
I might be able to do something about it , they are committing a few felonies in the process. I might call the KY PD tomorrow.
Doubtful the scam buyer is in KY. but it won't hurt to try.
Yep. But since it's across state lines, it 's a federal issue. If he mails payment, you can use the Postal Inspectors. If the financial instrument is forged, Secret Service, other wise you are stuck with the FBI.
Are you selling your Howa 6.5creed? The one you loaded to 74,000psi and wondered why "bolt get stuck"?
If so, a $200 premium over new cost seems reasonable.....you've proved it's one tough [bleep] action.
Any FFL that asks you to ship to any address except the one on the FFL is bogus.
It's either a scam, or the FFL is breaking the law. You can't ship to any address except the one on the FFL. It's a crime for you to do it.
Praytell, what info do you have to say what the legal shipping address is?
Legal shipping address is provided by the FFLeZCheck. No?
I always send a bank check
I always send a bank check
he is smart enough not to send personal check ,federally insured, therefor a federal crime.
Are you selling your Howa 6.5creed? The one you loaded to 74,000psi and wondered why "bolt get stuck"?
If so, a $200 premium over new cost seems reasonable.....you've proved it's one tough [bleep] action.
sshhhhhhhhhh , don't tell anyone :-)
I always send a bank check
he is smart enough not to send personal check ,federally insured, therefor a federal crime.
Any forged or altered financial instrument sent across states lines is a federal crime.
Been there done that, probably the same scam buyer.
I called and talked to Horton's, they told me a copy if their FFL is being used.
I might be able to do something about it , they are committing a few felonies in the process. I might call the KY PD tomorrow.
Doubtful the scam buyer is in KY. but it won't hurt to try.
Yep. But since it's across state lines, it 's a federal issue. If he mails payment, you can use the Postal Inspectors. If the financial instrument is forged, Secret Service, other wise you are stuck with the FBI.
And ignore BATFE why?
Been there done that, probably the same scam buyer.
I called and talked to Horton's, they told me a copy if their FFL is being used.
I might be able to do something about it , they are committing a few felonies in the process. I might call the KY PD tomorrow.
Doubtful the scam buyer is in KY. but it won't hurt to try.
Yep. But since it's across state lines, it 's a federal issue. If he mails payment, you can use the Postal Inspectors. If the financial instrument is forged, Secret Service, other wise you are stuck with the FBI.
And ignore BATFE why?
Because they are worthless and won't do anything.
i'll call the FFL , he must be frustrated with him too. he might have already contacted the postal inspector or others.
Ask for a postal money order instead.
Yep.
Much harder to forge. While working in financial services we dealt with a lot of forged cashiers checks.
And you can stop payment on a cashier's check. All it means is the money is in the account at the time it was issued. I guess if you wait for it to clear before shipping, you'll be okay. But I still would not chance that.
Any FFL that asks you to ship to any address except the one on the FFL is bogus.
It's either a scam, or the FFL is breaking the law. You can't ship to any address except the one on the FFL. It's a crime for you to do it.
Praytell, what info do you have to say what the legal shipping address is?
Legal shipping address is provided by the FFLeZCheck. No?
No numbers given to check the legal mailing address. Without those numbers it is impossible to know what address is on the license.
Are you selling your Howa 6.5creed? The one you loaded to 74,000psi and wondered why "bolt get stuck"?
If so, a $200 premium over new cost seems reasonable.....you've proved it's one tough [bleep] action.
sshhhhhhhhhh , don't tell anyone :-)
Just don't offer the buyer your load data.... 143's at 3750 fps would kick ass, but figuring out where to carry a hammer to beat the bolt back would be a pain in the ass!
Postal money orders are good for seller....... bad for buyer. Only time I ever got scammed, I sent a money order and never recieved the scope. The auction site had insurance that would reimburse me but I had to show them proof that the M O was cashed. Postmaster kept checking by phone and saying it was not cashed but they had to wait sixty days before they could issue me a replacement MO.
On the sixtieth day when I asked for replacement, they showed me proof that it was cashed by the seller two days after I mailed it.
To collect from the auction sites fraud insurance, I would have had to file within sixty days of the purchase.
No more post office for me.
I've been told by a Bank Of America fraud specialist that postal MO's are easy to forge and frequently are. There is almost no difference in a MO from your own bank vs a postal MO as far as security.
That's what he told me, don't know the veracity............
Any FFL that asks you to ship to any address except the one on the FFL is bogus.
It's either a scam, or the FFL is breaking the law. You can't ship to any address except the one on the FFL. It's a crime for you to do it.
Praytell, what info do you have to say what the legal shipping address is?
Legal shipping address is provided by the FFLeZCheck. No?
No numbers given to check the legal mailing address. Without those numbers it is impossible to know what address is on the license.
FFL Copy was given and eZCheck was done per OP.
Here in ID a private party can ship to an out of state FFL holder but any shipper you use is going to require a copy of the FFL your shipping. I'm pretty sure that's nationwide so ask him to fax or e-mail you a copy of his FFL......I'm betting you'll get a bunch of double talk or never hear from him again.
This caper stinks to high heaven.
As a buyer, I send bank cashier checks from my bank and don't mind if the seller holds them to clear. Going to the post office here is a pain in the azz (understaffed and always a fricken 15 minute line) and nothing I might buy on this forum is worth that hassle or the rush. Postal MO can and do get forged just like any other form of payment. Nothing is truly safe anymore.
If a USPS money order is all the seller will take, I move on.
As a seller, I usually accept any form of payment, including electronic, and always clear MO or checks prior to shipping. Simply smart business.
Agree that USPS money orders can be forged, just like most. I think the draw is being able to walk in to a PO and cash the money order. If it's fraudulent you'll know it right away.
Here in ID a private party can ship to an out of state FFL holder but any shipper you use is going to require a copy of the FFL your shipping. I'm pretty sure that's nationwide so ask him to fax or e-mail you a copy of his FFL......I'm betting you'll get a bunch of double talk or never hear from him again.
This caper stinks to high heaven.
Respectfully, this is totally incorrect if you are a non-licensee.
Agree that USPS money orders can be forged, just like most. I think the draw is being able to walk in to a PO and cash the money order. If it's fraudulent you'll know it right away.
This!
Whatever became of BRICKTOP ?
Mike
No it isn't....I ship guns all the time from our grocery store which is also a UPS shipping agent.
All they require is a copy of a FFL with the same address that I'm shipping the gun to.
Harvest Foods in Orofino ID....call em and ask. 208-476-3413
Some FFL holders in the communist states can't accept from a non FFL holder due to state law but It's totally legal as far as the feds (you know, the guys that issue the licenses) go.
Also...some gun shops won't accept guns from a non FFL holder even though it's legal in their state.
I'm not sure if they don't know the law, are being overly cautious, or if they're just dicks but when I sell a gun on line I make sure the buyer verifies that their shop will accept from a private shipper.
Persian Dog needs to find another hobby.
Postal money orders are good for seller....... bad for buyer. Only time I ever got scammed, I sent a money order and never recieved the scope. The auction site had insurance that would reimburse me but I had to show them proof that the M O was cashed. Postmaster kept checking by phone and saying it was not cashed but they had to wait sixty days before they could issue me a replacement MO.
On the sixtieth day when I asked for replacement, they showed me proof that it was cashed by the seller two days after I mailed it.
To collect from the auction sites fraud insurance, I would have had to file within sixty days of the purchase.
No more post office for me.
I've been told by a Bank Of America fraud specialist that postal MO's are easy to forge and frequently are. There is almost no difference in a MO from your own bank vs a postal MO as far as security.
That's what he told me, don't know the veracity............
Yea....but you can make the call and check the USPS MO # to see if it's real before you ship. Rick has pinned the link in the classifieds.
Here in ID a private party can ship to an out of state FFL holder but any shipper you use is going to require a copy of the FFL your shipping. I'm pretty sure that's nationwide so ask him to fax or e-mail you a copy of his FFL......I'm betting you'll get a bunch of double talk or never hear from him again.
This caper stinks to high heaven.
Respectfully, this is totally incorrect if you are a non-licensee.
No it isn't....I ship guns all the time from our grocery store which is also a UPS shipping agent.
All they require is a copy of a FFL with the same address that's I'm shipping the gun to.
Harvest Foods in Orofino ID....call em and ask. 208-476-3413
Some FFL holders in the communist states can't accept from a non FFL holder due to state law but It's totally legal as far as the feds (you know, the guys that issue the licenses) go.
A non-licensee really should not even have the copy. Can but shouldn't per BATFE.. Your local shipper is indeed incorrect. It is absolutely not a requirement by UPS policy, statute, code etc for a non-licensee to include a copy of an FFL with the shipment. That is a requirement of licensees only. Been through this many times.
I see now you did not say it had to be included in the shipment. It is also not a requirement to show a carrier an FFL or a requirement in any way whatsoever for a non-licensee to have a copy of the receiving FFL's license.
Is there a way to specify to UPS not to allow address redirect on a package? This redirect thing could be used to side-step any transfer to an FFL.
Correct....my shipper keeps the FFL for their files.
Correct....my shipper keeps the FFL for their files.
Egads they shouldn't. Sounds cool and easy place to deal with though. Laughing all the way into the new year. We had a pretty good shipping sticky going in 2012 but guessing it got tooo convoluted for the top brass. Cheers.
my ad is asking for $500 , but you can buy the same gun new: for $300
There's one born every minute
Been there done that, probably the same scam buyer.
I called and talked to Horton's, they told me a copy if their FFL is being used.
Can somebody tell me again why BATFE suggests FFLs not be given to non-licensees? Oh, that's right, as 700LH posted, somebody's using one for nefarious purposes!
http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi...30714-final-advisory-fraudulent-ffls.pdf
Agree that USPS money orders can be forged, just like most. I think the draw is being able to walk in to a PO and cash the money order. If it's fraudulent you'll know it right away.
They may be able to check the validity of the document but my PO never had enough cash to cash a MO for me. IIRC the last one I tried to cash was $400 or so. Their solution was to return later in the day then MAYBE they could honor the note. Unbelievable and that was the time I decided I wouldn't require others to pay me with a damn USPS PO. They suck for me to process and I assumed they suck for the buyer to purchase as they do for me.
Still had to drive to the bank and deposit It in my account. Time to clear roughly 3 days.
Few use cash anymore which is why I assume my PO never had enough cash to honor the note. No idea how much the till is set up with at opening each day.
You see, as a general rule, going to the PO in this busy suburb is a waste of time and energy. I rarely go for anything anymore.
Persian Dog needs to find another hobby.
Precisely what I was thinking given this and his handloading work.
Lots of FFLs accept from individuals, right? Wouldn't the individual need a copy of the FFL to verify he was sending to a legit FFL holder?
Lots of FFLs accept from individuals, right? Wouldn't the individual need a copy of the FFL to verify he was sending to a legit FFL holder?
No, The BATF recomends that FFL's don't give copies of the FFL to nonlicences. All you need to get from the recieving FFL is the first three digits and last 5 digits of his FFL number so you can verify on the ez-check
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/ffl-ez-check-application
Lots of FFLs accept from individuals, right? Wouldn't the individual need a copy of the FFL to verify he was sending to a legit FFL holder?
NO! The non-licensee only needs the first three and last five digits of the number to utilize FFLeZCheck. That will show up to date info and can't be forged.
We can say that again.
Here in ID a private party can ship to an out of state FFL holder but any shipper you use is going to require a copy of the FFL your shipping. I'm pretty sure that's nationwide so ask him to fax or e-mail you a copy of his FFL......I'm betting you'll get a bunch of double talk or never hear from him again.
This caper stinks to high heaven.
Respectfully, this is totally incorrect if you are a non-licensee.
No it isn't....I ship guns all the time from our grocery store which is also a UPS shipping agent.
All they require is a copy of a FFL with the same address that's I'm shipping the gun to.
Harvest Foods in Orofino ID....call em and ask. 208-476-3413
Some FFL holders in the communist states can't accept from a non FFL holder due to state law but It's totally legal as far as the feds (you know, the guys that issue the licenses) go.
A non-licensee really should not even have the copy. Can but shouldn't per BATFE.. Your local shipper is indeed incorrect. It is absolutely not a requirement by UPS policy, statute, code etc for a non-licensee to include a copy of an FFL with the shipment. That is a requirement of licensees only. Been through this many times.
I see now you did not say it had to be included in the shipment. It is also not a requirement to show a carrier an FFL or a requirement in any way whatsoever for a non-licensee to have a copy of the receiving FFL's license.
You are absolutely correct again... only minor point is that there is absolutely no requirement to have an FFL copy in an FFL-FFL transfer.
But you missed the part where a UPS Store is accepting shipments they cannot legally take. Requiring a FFL copy they are not supposed to even see is ridiculous... keeping it on file is a serious no-no.
Correct....my shipper keeps the FFL for their files.
Egads they shouldn't. Sounds cool and easy place to deal with though. Laughing all the way into the new year. We had a pretty good shipping sticky going in 2012 but guessing it got tooo convoluted for the top brass. Cheers.
Ooooppsss... you did not miss it... my apologies.
PO, just accept his Cashier's Check and never send him anything. Problem solved.
Correct....my shipper keeps the FFL for their files.
Just WOW!!!
I've sent a few firearms back to the manufacturer for repair. The shipper never asked me for any FFL.
You are absolutely correct again... only minor point is that there is absolutely no requirement to have an FFL copy in an FFL-FFL transfer.
But you missed the part where a UPS Store is accepting shipments they cannot legally take. Requiring a FFL copy they are not supposed to even see is ridiculous... keeping it on file is a serious no-no.
Well hell - obviously thought there was.
But have no idea what you mean on the second bolded part. UPS policy - not shipping at a hub? Don't tell the food mart it'll screw up the EZ good thing going in ID. LOL
Hey - we'll get this straightened out pronto.
Next some old fart will come on and just say throw that pistola in a flat rate box and USPS Priority mail that SOB. [bleep] the government! LOL
Happy New Year All Ya'll!
You are absolutely correct again... only minor point is that there is absolutely no requirement to have an FFL copy in an FFL-FFL transfer.
But you missed the part where a UPS Store is accepting shipments they cannot legally take. Requiring a FFL copy they are not supposed to even see is ridiculous... keeping it on file is a serious no-no.
Well hell - obviously thought there was.
But have no idea what you mean on the second bolded part. UPS policy - not shipping at a hub? Don't tell the food mart it'll screw up the EZ good thing going in ID. LOL
As an FFL I have most suppliers FFL copy on file and many have mine on file. They seldom send a duplicate and most got/gave electronic copies and never exchanged a hard copy. There is no rule that one goes in the package.
UPS Stores are NOT "common carriers" and as such are not allowed to transport firearms.
Anytime someone offers to pay by "certified cashiers check" and adds "it will clear in a couple of days" will be a scammer. Yes your bank will likely give you the funds when you deposit the check but it will take much longer than a couple days before the bank bounces it. At that point you are responsible for the funds the bank gave you and your likely out of the product you sold as well.
Are you selling your Howa 6.5creed? The one you loaded to 74,000psi and wondered why "bolt get stuck"?
If so, a $200 premium over new cost seems reasonable.....you've proved it's one tough [bleep] action.
beat me to it!
PS Persiandog,Happy to see you are still alive and have at least enough fingers to post. was worried about the mini frag's you were building.
Happy New Year
I don't see the logic of posting something for $500 when you can get it for $300. You're saying its because of $200 in FFL transfer/California fees.......but its not like you are performing the transfer. The buyer would have to pay those fees to their FFL of choice when it gets there.
If I buy something used I'm sure as hell not going to pay $200 extra to cover your transfer fees you paid when you bought it, unless you include an 8lb jug of IMR 3031 in the deal.
Ask for a postal money order instead.
Yep.
Much harder to forge. While working in financial services we dealt with a lot of forged cashiers checks.
and cash it at the Post Office, NOT at your bank !
P-dog.. I know it's easier said than done but you need to find another ffl. You are getting some bad info and charges from yours.
Pm me if you want, guy I've used for years is $40 transfer +$25 DROS and will gladly give you a copy of his ffl. I don't understand why some guys think that's like giving away some sacred info.
There's a lot of BS info bein passed around out there
Any FFL that asks you to ship to any address except the one on the FFL is bogus.
It's either a scam, or the FFL is breaking the law. You can't ship to any address except the one on the FFL. It's a crime for you to do it.
Praytell, what info do you have to say what the legal shipping address is?
Legal shipping address is provided by the FFLeZCheck. No?
No numbers given to check the legal mailing address. Without those numbers it is impossible to know what address is on the license.
Okay, I missed something. In the very first post he said the guy sent a copy of the FFL and that he verified the FFL on ezcheck. Then said the guy wants him to ship it to another address.
So.. What numbers weren't given to check the legal premise address?
Quick Google finds the guys numbers to check are 4-61-xxx-xx-xx-07250. License expires 12/01/2019, can ship to
508 A East Happy Valley Str.
Cave City, KY
Pretty straightforward.. What am I missing?
Hold whatever funds are sent until they clear ship to the mailing address on the FFL. The premise address and mailing address can be different. As long as you use the mailing address on the FFl which is on record with the feds no big deal. These addresses are on a copy of the FFL or on ez check.
Don't understand why some people think selling a gun is so difficult. Ignore all the internet BS. Spend at most twenty minutes on the atf website and the website of USPS UPS or fedex. Anyone with about a fifth grade or higher education can figure out for themselves what is legal.
It is your call what hoops you want to jump through to make a receiving FFL happy as long as your within the law.
As for a copy of the FFL I am shipping to I insist on one or direct contact from the FFL receiving the gun. I want the dealer in the loop. Want them to be contacted by the buyer before the dealer has something show up out of the blue. Buyer will make contact to have a copy sent to me by the dealer or get a copy which they send to me. Don't care how it gets sent just so I know there was communication between buyer and receiving FFL.
Any FFL that asks you to ship to any address except the one on the FFL is bogus.
It's either a scam, or the FFL is breaking the law. You can't ship to any address except the one on the FFL. It's a crime for you to do it.
Praytell, what info do you have to say what the legal shipping address is?
Legal shipping address is provided by the FFLeZCheck. No?
No numbers given to check the legal mailing address. Without those numbers it is impossible to know what address is on the license.
Okay, I missed something. In the very first post he said the guy sent a copy of the FFL and that he verified the FFL on ezcheck. Then said the guy wants him to ship it to another address.
So.. What numbers weren't given to check the legal premise address?
Original post did not say FFL copy was sent. His next post clearly states the FFL refuses to give numbers except to other FFLs. Not sure who is playing games... but I have a good idea...
P-dog.. I know it's easier said than done but you need to find another ffl. You are getting some bad info and charges from yours.
Pm me if you want, guy I've used for years is $40 transfer +$25 DROS and will gladly give you a copy of his ffl. I don't understand why some guys think that's like giving away some sacred info.
There's a lot of BS info bein passed around out there
BATFE tells FFLs to NOT give out copies... this situation is a perfect example why not... but do carry on.
Hold whatever funds are sent until they clear ship to the mailing address on the FFL. The premise address and mailing address can be different. As long as you use the mailing address on the FFl which is on record with the feds no big deal. These addresses are on a copy of the FFL or on ez check.
Don't understand why some people think selling a gun is so difficult. Ignore all the internet BS. Spend at most twenty minutes on the atf website and the website of USPS UPS or fedex. Anyone with about a fifth grade or higher education can figure out for themselves what is legal.
It is your call what hoops you want to jump through to make a receiving FFL happy as long as your within the law.
As for a copy of the FFL I am shipping to I insist on one or direct contact from the FFL receiving the gun. I want the dealer in the loop. Want them to be contacted by the buyer before the dealer has something show up out of the blue. Buyer will make contact to have a copy sent to me by the dealer or get a copy which they send to me. Don't care how it gets sent just so I know there was communication between buyer and receiving FFL.
Thank you for adding nothing but confusion... non-partisan are not supposed to receive copies, period. If you cannot figure out how to get around that, where is the problem?
Hint, it is not with the regulations.
So.. What numbers weren't given to check the legal premise address?
Original post did not say FFL copy was sent. His next post clearly states the FFL refuses to give numbers except to other FFLs. Not sure who is playing games... but I have a good idea...
Very first post..
someone replied to my ad from Cave City Kentucky and offered to buy my gun, it's too good to be true . he even offered to pay for shipment and sent a copy of his FFL license.
So.. What numbers weren't given to check the legal premise address?
Original post did not say FFL copy was sent. His next post clearly states the FFL refuses to give numbers except to other FFLs. Not sure who is playing games... but I have a good idea...
Very first post..
someone replied to my ad from Cave City Kentucky and offered to buy my gun, it's too good to be true . he even offered to pay for shipment and sent a copy of his FFL license.
Reading comprehension is a gift... His first post did not say an FFL copy was sent... it was edited... next post still clearly shows the buyer refused to give numbers to anyone except other FFLs. The second one does not make sense in light of the edited first post.
I was reading this as persiandog got a copy of a legit FFL, but the buyer was asking him to ship it to the mail to or some other address. Which would be illegal, and possible signs of a scam. If the legit FFL is wanting it shipped to the premise address and simply wants to overpay for a gun, go for it! Haven't met an FFL yet that would be willing to commit felony mail fraud and lose his FFL for a $500 gun.
[quote=Calhoun]Reading comprehension is a gift... His first post did not say an FFL copy was sent... it was edited... next post still clearly shows the buyer refused to give numbers to anyone except other FFLs. The second one does not make sense in light of the edited first post.
If it's been edited, then it's not my comprehension that's at fault. I can't read something that no longer exists..
So problem all resolved then?
I was reading this as persiandog got a copy of a legit FFL, but the buyer was asking him to ship it to the mail to or some other address. Which would be illegal, and possible signs of a scam. If the legit FFL is wanting it shipped to the premise address and simply wants to overpay for a gun, go for it! Haven't met an FFL yet that would be willing to commit felony mail fraud and lose his FFL for a $500 gun.
Read it as you wish, but the FFL and both addresses match. It looks more like someone wasting time..
traced his email routing to an IP in Oregon , also have phone number with Oregon area code and most likely is his.
called ffl and there is a good chance we will get him.
what I don't understand is why commit a major felony crime involving a gun ?
traced his email routing to an IP in Oregon , also have phone number with Oregon area code and most likely is his.
called ffl and there is a good chance we will get him.
what I don't understand is why commit a major felony crime involving a gun ?
Dude, you should just move on and forget the deal. As a matter of fact you should maybe move on from anything involving firearms based on this and your earlier posts regarding your reloading skills. Maybe it's time you found some new, less problematic hobbies such as snow cone making or knitting with rounded needles.
Dude, you should just move on and forget the deal. As a matter of fact you should maybe move on from anything involving firearms based on this and your earlier posts regarding your reloading skills. Maybe it's time you found some new, less problematic hobbies such as snow cone making or knitting with rounded needles.
you have to admit this has been very educational for a lot of people , otherwise nobody would have replied.
Dude, you should just move on and forget the deal. As a matter of fact you should maybe move on from anything involving firearms based on this and your earlier posts regarding your reloading skills. Maybe it's time you found some new, less problematic hobbies such as snow cone making or knitting with rounded needles.
you have to admit this has been very educational for a lot of people , otherwise nobody would have replied.
Ahhhhh........ The proverbial gold at the end of the rainbow syndrome.......... How cute.
Like others have stated, take up a less dangerous hobby for yourself. You're only one more strike away from a total strike out......
Ruff crowd. I gotta look up the reloading stuff. LOL
Dude, you should just move on and forget the deal. As a matter of fact you should maybe move on from anything involving firearms based on this and your earlier posts regarding your reloading skills. Maybe it's time you found some new, less problematic hobbies such as snow cone making or knitting with rounded needles.
you have to admit this has been very educational for a lot of people , otherwise nobody would have replied.
I have to admit that you are a tool, but who didn't know that.
The learning curve pitch remains unchanged...
Quick Loads puts that load at 74,000 psi. Is that a book load?
It's in Revelations.
This is greatness.
Yes, might be the best post ever. I don't laugh out loud at the internet much, but this one got a chuckle for sure!
Best laugh I've had this year! Well done PA_Bob!
Ruff crowd. I gotta look up the reloading stuff. LOL
I think creative sarcasm , insult and everything else are always welcomed .
tried very hard to contact postal inspector , and a few other agencies to catch him but no one was interested , here is the check :
![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/download/Number/61727/filename/check.jpg)
Why can't you deposit the check and wait a month before sending the rifle?
Why can't you deposit the check and wait a month before sending the rifle?
because I know it is a fake , notice the check is for $1590 for a asking price of $500.
Just read this "Classic" link
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/12486585/1 for the first time.....I don't usually comment from the peanut gallery but this time I must (shaking my head ) Wow !!! Just glad my range is 3000 plus miles away:)
It looks like Snoop Dog gave up on reloading as not being what he thought it was and decided he'd impersonate Inspector Jacques Clouseau or maybe just be a rogue Keystone Cop and fight crime.