I understand the rant posts are not super popular. I don't post much here anyway, mostly a lurker gleaning info. However, before Christmas while looking through the classifieds I see that someone is looking for 6.5-06 dies. I post that I have some that I don't use and offer to sell them for 40 bucks shipped. I offered to send pictures and he never asked for them. Keep in mind these are used dies and I live in central Mississippi. The dies have external surface rust but are clean on the inside and work just fine. I send them Thursday before Christmas and the guy starts hounding me every day the next week. I misplaced the tracking number and told him if they didn't show up by today I would refund him. I get home today and have a message from him that they arrived but have rust and he wants his money back. I respond saying sure, what's the best way to do that since I don't use paypal that much. I then get an email from paypal saying that dispute has been opened. They guy didn't even give me a chance to make things right. At this point I go search his posting and everything he's ever done on here has been trying to buy or sell something. I told him that I paid to ship them, they work just fine and he can pay to ship them back. Guy is being an ass over 40 bucks. At the same time that I sell this guy these dies, somebody else posted that they needed a 98 Mauser stock for a project. I had an old synthetic from a Zastava I bought as a project some years ago and sent the guy the stock for free. Paid shipping and asked nothing in return. Told the guy to do someone else a favor down the line. Had the guy that needed the dies been in dire straits I probably would have done the same for him. I have been a cop for 20 years and still get surprised by some peoples behavior. I should expect it but I keep hoping that someone will prove me wrong.
The guy in questions handle is catbegone FYI. Maybe I just caught him on a bad day buy seller/buyer beware.
Patrick

Who knows. I can't imagine being that mad about something that doesn't really matter. I guess it's good he let you know now not to deal with him again. Saves you time later

Hopefully I can save someone else the heartburn as well.
Patrick

I would have told him there was rust and sent pictures. None of that would have cost you a dime.

Maybe next time do your part.

That's a shame. I guess he didn't need them that bad.

Tell him to put them in his tumbler for a couple of hours and the rust will be gone. Nah, tell him to stick them up his azz. Oops, I mean pusay.

Make sure to post about your issue in the good guy sticky thread at the top of the classified section.

Reads like the buyer is a jerk but there is always another side.

Yup.

What's the saying about hindsight again?.........

bite the bullet,pay for return shipping,and move on.Do Not give him credit(as in a freebie) ,jmo

Did you tell him about the rust on the dies? I can only speak for myself but if I purchased a set of dies that had rust on them, even if it was only external, and the seller had not told me about the condition prior to the purchase I would be bothered too. However I agree that he should have given you a chance to straighten the situation out prior to filing a complaint.

When I sell something I try to give a full and honest evaluation of the item and if anything I under describe it's condition, the result is a satisfied buyer - it's just good practice to ensure everyone is happy.

drover

Since the OP isn't smart enough to do this, he is now on ignore.

Did you even read the ops post?

Yes. Send pics even if the buyer says no pics are needed and require him to send you a signed and notarized statement before the sale telling you he doesnt mind if they are rusty on the outside, dummy. Do it rite dammit.

Burn his house down.

Burning his house seems a bit extreme. I refunded the guy his purchase price. If he makes a big deal out of it I'll kick in 7 bucks for shipping. When I get them back I will list them in the classifieds as free to the first guy that isn't this Ahole. So if anyone needs a set of 6.5-06 dies, stand by. Someone is going to get a New Years present.
Patrick

Chicks

really?

I thought only manlicker and milespatton put people on the "wahhhhh, Ignore" you never struck me as that type. Oh well.

Well, Yes I did read before replying and I just re-read it again. No where in the OP is it mentioned that he told the buyer about the external rust, from reading the OP description of events the buyer was not aware of the rust until he received the dies.

Perhaps I am missing something in the OP. What did I miss?

drover

You're right drover, I probably should have mentioned it. I offered pictures that would have shown the condition of the dies. He did not respond to the offer, he just wanted to know where to send the money. The rust is little more than some surface discoloration, it's not as if I sent him unusable equipment. The dies are old RCBS dies that were passed around before they got to me. I would not have sent unusable dies and I offered to refund him before the dies ever arrived at his house. I don't know what the guys problem is. He made a claim with paypal and is now pissed that "his" money is tied up and won't be returned until the merchandise is delivered back to me. ALL of this could have been avoided with a little bit of communication. The guy went straight to full Ahole without stopping at go. It won't happen again. Like I said before, as soon as I get them back I'm giving them away. I will run them through my tumbler for an hour to make them look like new again and then give the damn things away just out of spite. I think that you misunderstood the point to this post which was not about the money, it was about the way people handle things. No one want's to wait for anything and if it isn't factory new it's defective. That is what he described the dies to paypal as, defective. If you don't want them or are unhappy fine, but after bugging the crap out of me for almost two weeks about where they were, he didn't even try to communicate with me, he immediately filed a dispute. He then upgraded the dispute to a claim, a move I don't think he realized would tie up the money until the resolution of the claim. Now he's mad because he can't get his money.

As I posted above I sure hope you make a post about this person in the good guys sticky thread in the classified section so anyone else that wants to do business with this person know what they are getting into.

Done, thanks for reminding me.

And on the 8th day, God created Evaporust...

Send him a 40 Walmart card and tell him to keep the dies.

even on some of the post/replies some of the keyboard know it all`s who probably hunt very little nor do they ever shoot much,these keyboard boys got all the answer.some even feel they have the magic caliber and gun superior to any one else.here`s an example I asked a simple question in the big bore lever section about does the 300 win. mag considered big bore in a lever ? I got hammered with all these old bigger bore lever rifles that do not have the power,accuracy or range compared to a 300 win. mag. in a Browning lever BLR. one reply was this person had a 348 Winchester and his gun was bad medicine,i own a deluxe 348 win. let me tell this its a neat gun but in no way is it even close to the power of a 300 win.mag. yes I understand why a guy gets pissed off. the guy that sold you the dies should give you your money back .

I'm trying to understand some of what you are trying to say Fireball. I didn't want to keep them forever and I offered to sell them to a guy who was looking for a set. I wasn't trying to dump them off. Why is it a bad call to refund him? What am I not paying attention to and what the heck does horse meet water infer?
And pete53, what the hell are you rambling about? I am the guy who sold the dies. I did offer his money back. What does any of that have to do with your choice of obscure cartridge? Also, sometimes we use the big letters, mostly at the beginning of sentences or proper nouns. Just food for thought.

Fun thread! Thanks for starting it.

Dodge, you a reloader?

Yes, have been for quite some time. Why do you ask?

Cuz if you can't tell I'm pulling your leg you might want to step away from the explosives for a day or two!

Sorry Dodge, it's not you, it's me, I'm in one of those moods! Have a good day.

No problem, my sarcasm detector is on the fritz. And it's too damn cold to go into my garage and do any reloading right now. And I really want to get some 338-06 put together. Having a Mdl70 bored out by JES. 20 degrees to too damn cold for Mississippi.

i probably have 40 sets of dies. They have various stages of goop and discoloration on them, because they have been used. I keep thinking about throwing them in a tub filled with gas to soak out all the lube and stuff. I don't think your buyer would like me.

It sounds like his description was enough. Sometimes being a decent person involves too much dick washing.

You didn't mention the rust and the buyer freaked out like a chick. Bad on all accounts. But I'd like the dies please. Thanks.

A: the rust is only on the outside of the dies.
B: I offered pictures.
C: sorry but irfubar already asked so if they ever come back from this idiot he's got dibs.

I am glad to hear the dies will get to ifubar. The failure to disclose the rust was bullchit regardless of the pic offer IMO.

You've been on ignore since you were born It just means I won't sell you anything or buy anything from you. Nothing personal; your just weird.

Well your opinion is just that, yours. I personally don't care about how dies look, only do they produce concentric ammo. These dies do. I used them quite a bit. I also think the word "rust" is being used a bit liberally. There was a bit of surface rust, mostly on the locking rings and seating depth adjustment, the dies themselves were fine and i wouldn't hesitate to use them. He was looking for a set, I tried to help a guy out. I will be more cautious next time. Thanks for your input.
Patrick

watch4bear if I'm on ignore why are you still commenting on this thread?

1/2/2018 18:57 PST - PayPal: Buyer escalated this dispute to a Claim.
1/2/2018 18:57 PST - Buyer: I bought a set of rcbs reloading dies which he stated were in very good condition. I received them today and they are very rusty and pitted, Therefore you can not use them to relaod with. I expect a full refund
1/2/2018 16:09 PST - Buyer: I purchased a set of rifle dies from this
seller and they are rusted so bad I can't use them and they are no good as ther seller said they were in great shape. I expect a full refund

This is the crap he told paypal. It's complete BS. I NEVER offered any description. I will be happy to cut and paste PMs if anybody cares. This guy should be avoided.
Patrick

I bought only once on a different board. I had trouble, finally settled it. What I learned in retrospect is to look at the guy's postings; if in the general areas, OK; if just in the buy/sell listings the guy is not a fellow sportsman but is in business.

I avoid the professional classified buyers and sellers in every forum. More than likely he's pissed he can't tun a profit.

The buyer is definitely a whiny bitch - I totally agree with that. On the don't deal with list...


I just can't figure the OPs abject refusal to admit that he should have disclosed the condition, albeit cosmetic, which was the entire cause of the problem. Still my opinion and just that. LOL

Again, hindsight is 20/20. I figured offering pictures was sufficient. I was wrong. Should have done due diligence and looked further into his postings. I was trying to do a guy a favor at Christmas. Bit me in the ass. I'm not refusing to admit I should have disclosed condition. I made the mistake of assuming the guy actually knew what reloading dies do. I will endeavor to do better in the future.

Yep. You still side step it. You [bleep] up dealing with him. You [bleep] up thinking offering pics was sufficient. You [bleep] up and made assumptions. Actually you [bleep] up not disclosing the rust. Oh, I already said that. LOL

So saying I was wrong isn't admitting I was wrong? I should have told him there was surface rust that did not in any way affect the use or operation of the dies in question. Is that clear enough?

Yah, that's stuff!

I'm glad you posted this as that guy is no damned good to deal with. You're a GoodGuy.

i put mine in a can of carb cleaner after i dissembled them.

Not quite sure how I got into this but, I am now watching meatsanta226. He could earn a place on my list. miles

Put some Kroils on the dies use a small brass brush to scrub the rust off....use WD-40 spray to wash off dirty oil give a good coat of good gun oil....should look almost good as new unless theres pitting ....

If the inside of the die was not rusted I would have just clean them....your not going to go to Walmart and get a set of 6.5-06 dies.... $40 is a reasonable price with minor external surface rust...

Tell him send the dies back you will give him a refund when you receive them....

He can go buy NEW if thats what he wants....Midsouth has new dies $66.58 plus shipping....https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/0004427801/6halfmm-06-full-length-2-die-set

He seems to have disappeared.......

I asked him for pictures of the pits. I even told him I'd give him $50 if he posted pics of the pits. Crickets.

Some people are just hard to deal with; we've all had similar experiences.

The PitGate pics. Will we ever see the??

So, this morning I received an email from PayPal stating that the money has been released due to the "amicable" resolution of the dispute. Don't remember any amicable interactions with the guy but I guess he figured out how to repair badly pitted reloading dies. Guess we won't get to see the pictures of the dies in question, hell he's probably resold them already. He did do a nice job of being a dick and keeping the money tied up for a week so Kudos for that.

The buyer is obviously a difficult POS flipper that took advantage of your good nature and hopefully everyone reads the post on in the classifieds sticky. You might also want to add a link in that post to this thread.

Smokeless powder is not an explosive. Flammable, yes.

Kidding ya Fireball.

I left ammo box in back of Polaris, it had about 70 rounds of 7 mag in it. Now I have to pull them apart, start over. I’m angry with myself for leaving them in the rain. I’m thinking about kicking my own ass.

Hanco, can you post a pic of what they look like now? Are you afraid water got inside?

They look fine but a good many were wet, I would worry about a misfire or one getting stuck in the barrel from now on, not that big of a deal to pull bullets, resize, reload. Out a little powder and primers.

He may be a POS, but a $40 set of used dies doesn't leave much, if any, meat for flipping.

It may for 6.5-06 as mentioned.

$72.99 for a brand new set of RCBS at Brownells. I'd say it's more likely that he's one of those nice/nasty pricks that just has unreasonable expectations about used items. If you're that anal that you expect a used set of dies to look like new............. buy a set of new dies.

A lot of people expect something to look like new and be 1/2 price. I’ve sold a lot of my stuff on here. Never had anyone complain, but if they did, I would refund them their money plus their shipping, when they returned the item to me. I don’t want anyone to be unhappy. A few crummy dollars aren’t worth hard feelings.

I offered to do just that right up until he filed a dispute. After that, nope, screw that. I've bought and sold and gave away quite a bit of stuff as well. This guy went full retard from the beginning. I was offering his money back before they ever got to him just to make him go away. I'm not worried about hard feelings from a guy that behaves like him. I actually would expect it.

frankly, I won't do bidnez online for guns or gun stuff unless I know the person. Just too many things that can go wrong.

laughing. I did not know who 'meat santa' was. I guess I put his dumb azz on ignore from the git go. I'm guessing 'meat santa' is a homo, since he can't seem to think beyond dick licking