Hundreds of years before they existed.

Jesus rode around on a donkey , but will come back on a white horse....thats a big upgrade.

Revelation 19:11

1" And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True,
and in righteousness he doth judge and make war."

Now THAT was interesting. I've never seen a presentation about the 4 Horsemen which said they had already come. I always thouught they were still in the future. And the colors being on the islamic flags. There for all to see and I never knew it.

Thanks. Great post.

Too bad he was wrong on every account.
Well presented though.

So you must be a historical and/or Biblical scholar. Enlighten us on the 4 Horsemen.

This is all I got - straight from the "Man in Black"

I’m not gonna get into any arguments over religion but I can tell you every color of each horse represents something more than colors of a flag.
White - peace
Red - blood
Black - darkness
Pale multi colored - death

It is a REVALATION and is given as such.

Probably would offend many if I told you the truth to who it represents.

Why are you sure it is wrong?

I would not say he was correct, nor that another 4 horsemen cant come in the future. Sometimes God repeats over and over. The interesting thing to me was that apparently God predicted all about Mohammad and islams resuests for the dome of the rock land hundreds of years before the start of Islam.

I think many of Gods predictions in the Bible apply both to the nation of Israel and also to His people who He refers to as Israel. For instance, He said all of Israel would be saved. Here He is referring to Christians as Israel, because we know those ofvIsrael who reject Him will not be saved. In some places He only refers to it as the nation and sometimes He is referring to both the nation and His people.

I answered that in my post.

Don Miller, Jim Crowley, Elmer Leyden, and Harry Stuhldreyer.

Any catholic football scholar knows that.

Don't you dare tell me Johnny was wrong!

Great post Jag.

I’ve always understood it this way.

White- deception- Antichrist
Red- division- war
Black- deficiency- famine
Pale- Death

I do know this. God had one perfect son. It wasnt Mohammad, it was Jesus. Also, we wont have another flood as Noah did.

Has any ever considered God could repeat some prophesies several times trying to get the attention of the folks of different eras?

How many times must one see that almost unbelievable prophecies have been fulfilled before some see the mathematical impossibility of them being the result of a good guesser?

This is a much better description.
I was going on memory and couldn’t come up with the words.
Your right.

How about this Jag.

And I John saw the holy city, new JerUSAlem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

All right. Thanks for that. Sometimes we dont see what He puts before our very eyes.

Are we not seeing major prophecy unfold here too, before our very eyes? The heathen will say this was predictable, when they wouldnt have bet a dollar Trump would even win. Oh well, men are liars.

I would say those should be the bywords of Islam. Deception, war, famine, and death are certainly the chief byproducts, are they not?

Am I the only one wondering how “pale horse” - and I’ve seen pale horses - becomes “ green horse “ - which I’ve never seen - in the video?

As I recall, Episcopalians teach that the prophesies in Revelations have already occurred.

No, I dont think Islam is deceptive in any way, they flat out told what their plans are, to kill and wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
I wouldn’t fear Islam, Russia or China....there is a way more deceptive evil out there that many should fear.

Agreed. The OWO who is pushing them on us is more dangerous.

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

I find it more than coincidental that so many flags over muzzy land are colored black, white, red and green.

Like what?

Revelation is always open to interpretation to me. One of these days we'll find out whose ideas were/are correct.

Till then its not a big deal at all. We don't control it, its coming, and it'll happen when its all supposed to. We literally are all along for the ride.

It's no accident.

Is it Johnny Cash? He’s gone, btw.

Ivermectin will fix that Green horse..

Ingwe, didnt yall eat some green beef at Valley Forge?

just to add-in to the fun, the celtic flag of Wales is sort of: green, white, red & black. that is, it's been a long evolution, but it's all there. the internet is your friend.

You find that on the innernet or flying over?

Well, lay it on us. What is this great, deceptive evil?

You are trying to coax me into an argument.
I would say even if I told you unless it was revealed to you by the Holy Spirit you would not believe it.
Read the Bible and compare it to today’s systems.

I find Revelations difficult to understand and enjoy other peoples' opinions on what various scriptures represent. I'm not coaxing you into anything.


That's some pretty heavy stuff right there.

That's some pretty heavy stuff right there.[/quote]

arguably if the video that jagman posted is true or close to true, then if the four horsemen have already ridden forth across the land, then what does that say about the aftermath of their adventure/misadventure?

heavy stuff indeed. but speculations have always run pretty wild.

No offense, Tom, but i would sure like to know your take on it and from whence came it.

It seems somewhat unfair for one to interrupt and indicate someone is wrong, tell them you have the correct answer/interpretation and that one is just going to have to take their word for it. I am always interested in more enlightenment.

Thanks for your consideration, jag.

The scriptures (especially Revelations) are so deep that it would take a seriously long time in giving examples and backing up with other scriptures that I am not qualified or have the knowledge to do.
If you guys are serious and are not wanting argument than ok here what has been revealed to me.
Read Revelations and keep this in mind.
What religion has all the power?
What religion has killed millions?
What religion has all the money?
What religion changes what the Bible has written in its lids with dogmas?
But yet what religion is the most popular and from the human perspective looks innocent and holy?
A dragon in sheeps clothing.

The Catholic Church.

Many will come in my name....

I think the long link on Q posted by Whip made that connection.

Agreed. One can make Revelation mean anything they want, and apparently everyone trying to make a name for themselves have. They have done the same with the Book of Daniel. Everyone with a Bible under their arm seems to be taking bets on the end times and performing great acrobatics to show how they are right. Pssst...........They don't know. Even the Son of God didn't/doesn't know. Only the Father knows.

When The Church was compiling the Bible (more specifically the NT) into a single volume, there was great debate among those present on whether or not to include it in the NT canon. No one is any closer to figuring it out now than they were in the 5th C. when they were piecing it together. There's plenty of speculation and ideas, but no one's solved the mystery. Christ will return when he returns and the events outlined in Revelation will occur when they occur. In the meantime we are supposed to try and live our lives as instructed.

You get no argument from me. I neither agree nor disagree with your interpretation, but it does give me something to ponder.

I can shoot holes in the video in the original post, however. My bible makes no mention I can find of a green horse for example.

At this time, I cannot prove your theory right nor wrong.

And that’s perfectly fine.
I just didn’t want to offend anybody and was thinking I was being goaded into a fight.
Like I said just read the Bible and if it is His will everything will be revealed to you.
I guess if anything maybe my post will get some to searching the scriptures, can’t go wrong with that can I?

Thanks again. As I said, I enjoy the challenge of different ways of looking at things. That is a good way to learn.

Various English bibles do not translate the Greek in the precise or exact same way for Rev. 6:8

http://biblehub.com/greek/5515.htm

Original Greek Word: χλωρός, ά, όν

Transliterated: chlóros

Short Definition: green, pale
Definition: green, pale green.

In other parts of scripture, (Genesis 1:30, Revelation 8:7, Revelation 9:4, Mark 6:39)
chlóros is translated into green...yet books that do that, may only bother to translate to 'pale' for Rev., 6:8

Here you can see books which use 'pale'(ashen) vs 'pale green'
http://biblehub.com/revelation/6-8.htm



How many yrs have you been studying Bible?

Don't think anyone is going to decypher the Book of Revelations. By so doing would make one as intellegent as the Creator and I for one don't think thats possible.

Just food for deep thinkers!

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Corpses..... "The first visual sign of decomposition is a greenish discoloration of the lower quadrants of the abdomen,
followed by greenish discoloration of the head, neck, and shoulders. Next, the accumulation of gases inside the body cavity
makes the abdomen extend, giving the cadaver a bloated appearance. Soon after, fluids start seeping out of orifices such as the mouth,
nose, and anus. When blood vessels hemolyse in a reaction of hemoglobin with hydrogen sulfice, it produces a marbled appearance
on the skin. By this time, the body is a pale green to green-black color."

Another take on the four horsemen, excerpted from something I wrote up a couple years ago.

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Isn’t the current political climate in America and the world simply bizarre? What is going on, and how did we get to a place where PC considerations and worldwide turmoil have accelerated in tandem? The more inclusive our Western culture is demanded to be, the less peace and agreement we see. Rancorous describes us today, does it not? Even within Christianity, Philip Yancey says we have now exceeded 34,000 denominations worldwide, with well over 2000 in America alone.
Here’s what I want to share, for whatever it might be worth to you, personally. (I accept that many are turned off and/or simply not interested in religious things. Me neither, but what I am interested in is what God has to say about what is true.) No matter what your church background -- mine’s interdenominational and international -- two questions demand a modern times answer. In the Bible, where, oh where do I find either America or Islam? [And, what does that mean for Israel and/or the church?]
Outside a few obscure references such as in Isaiah to “islands of the sea”, “western coastlands” and their inhabitants, it’s hard to assign America or England’s identity in scripture unless somehow associated with friendship to Israel. Yet, both Great Britain and America have figured prominently in current events, particularly the gospel’s spread. Replacement theology lays claim to being, instead of modern Israel, the true Israel or “Israel of God.” (On many levels, I cannot accept that as what God has been saying.)
Of greater difficulty, has been understanding Islam. Where do we find Mohammed’s religion in the Bible? Greater even than the influence of democracy and freedom spreading from Europe to the Americas and beyond, submission to Islam has dominated more of the world, increasing every day now with the resumption of caliphate dreams. Can the Holy Spirit have been entirely silent about this? (Read on.)
Jesus certainly treated Satan as real, and New Testament accounts throughout do as well. Rabbinic tradition and teachings from the Old Testament, outside Genesis, are more obscure. However, from Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 we are taught the prophecy in each book suddenly leaves off addressing the king, switching to the controlling spirit behind. (Daniel’s account also sheds light on this spiritual battle aspect.) Specifically, in these two passages (as well as two stories in Job and Genesis), only one spiritual being has contested God’s right to rule. Satan. In our world, only one monotheistic religion demands allegiance and absolute worship in place of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. One. If Allah isn’t Satan, isn’t he functioning in the same capacity?

Owing to expanded cable service and boredom, I landed one day on a program explaining a new understanding of something that’s been in scripture, like forever! You need to consult Revelation 6:1-8 and Zechariah 6:1-8 for reference, but here’s the gist. Four horses of specific color with respective riders appear on John’s prophetic panorama. Four chariots having similarly colored spirits are described to Zechariah in his previous vision, indicating what direction with respect to Israel they are sent by God. (By exclusion, the red one goes to the east. Also, note the southerly spirit is “dappled”, and I picture that as grey-and-white like the harnessed pair in Black Beauty.) Balking at the literal translation of the fourth horse’s color in Revelation, translators of the Authorized (King James) Version selected the word “pale”, perhaps influenced by the description in Zechariah. That word, “chloros”, in Revelation 6 is used two other times in the New Testament for the color of grass. My New Living Translation uses the correct rendering (pale green). So, what? Ask yourself, what is the favorite color in Islam, and what color can one find in the flags of nations adhering to Islam today?
What this tells us, or at least me in particular, is that the four horsemen of the apocalypse have been running for a very long time. What we see in Revelation is that they begin running TOGETHER, including the pale green one. The chloros horse.
Four main belief systems dominate today’s scene. On the world stage, we find a horse whose identifying color is white, the Pope’s color. His rider has a bow, but no arrows. Power is given to him, but not militarily. Roman Catholicism has had influence towards the west of Israel, including Western culture for quite some time.
A red horse follows, the color dear to communist belief system holders, and millions have died by the large red sword continuing today in North Korea, China, etc.
To Israel’s north, a black horse with scales-holding rider commands commerce and business that also destroys. Countries in Europe north of Israel, run by people of vast wealth, have financed Europe’s wars from the czars to Stalin and Hitler, continuing to this day to benefit from arms sales. And, oil is often black.
Directly south, a culture of death holds sway over one-fourth the earth’s population. The green horse has a rider named “Death” and Hell follows close behind. Famine and plague follow the sword, the wild beasts coming afterward. (Incidentally, with world wildlife increasingly threatened by both plow and pollution, not the hunting industry, what’s left to clean up this kind of mess? Vultures are also threatened these days. Consider this. What animals despised by Muslims have the capacity to multiply and take over from the scavenging wildlife that is in demise? Dogs and hogs.) With a pause between 1924, when Attaturk secularized the caliphate based in Turkey, resuming less than a hundred years later, Islam has put 270 million people to the sword.

Not so. Only the Father knows the EXACT DAY AND HOUR. He has given us the signs in the Bible that will mark the Approximate time of Christs retun TO Earth for the mellinium rule, not the rapture where He comes in the clouds.

Rapture doctrine is a 20th c heretical construct.

Agreed.

John spoke Greek. If John was given a vision and faithfully reported what he saw, without necessarily understanding it all, then this is something to consider:

In the future I do not worry about the Muslims. They're always too busy fighting amongst themselves to accomplish much worldwide. I fear the Vatican.

Great post. Thanks for sharing that.

That is a very interesting and well thought out interpretation to consider. Thanks for posting it.

I don’t think the Anti-Christ will rule the whole world like it says in Revelations. Or more accurately, I don’t think we understand it correctly.

The Bible is centered around the Middle East and the Mediterranean. Many maps up through the late Middle Ages showed Jerusalem at the center of the world. The Bible said Nebuchadnezzar was the king of th whole world, yet we know that clearly he wasn’t. There were great civilizations in India and China not to mention the rest of the world. But he did rule the world almost from Greece to India and Egypt to Armenia. The same could be said of Cyrus and Alexander. And later the Romans rule much of that territory. Prophecy seems to be centered on that region and I think that the Anti-Christ will rule it.

Lately, there was an empire that ruled it until 1922 when its head, the sultan in Instanbul was removed, and it died. It’s corpse was split among France and England and the rump state of secular Turkey took its place. But Erdogan shows signs of reviving it and it could easily, along with Iran control the entire region againand the caliphate could literally be reborn. And if you are European centric in your prophecy, it isn’t as far fetch as it was just ten years ago that much of Europe could be part of the caliphate or at least very deferential to it given their huge internal populations of Muslims.

jaguartx

That is a fantastic presentation, well thought out. I know it doesn't fit most denominational views, but it's time for clarity.

True. New findings show Turkey and not Russia is Gog or Maygog. Darn, cant remember.

Im not sure the video i posted and your revelation arent both correct, along with possibly other interpretations. You should present yours to some scholars of your church/denomination.

See this, JB.

The previous head of the moslem caliphate was Turkey.

I haven’t watched that yet, but Turkey IS ROME. The Roman Empire survived in Constantinople until 1453. The Turks considered it to be Roman and they considered themselves to be conquering Rome. They also considered themselves to be the rightful heirs of the Roman Empire. And what’s more, many of the aristocratic families in Constantinople converted, intermarried, and became prominent in Turkish affairs.

All right, JB. I didnt know that. Thanks

Glad to have landed on info for real men (and real women.) The videos are feeding my soul, jaguartx. It's interesting what I get to learn when "home sick". This time I am recovering from open heart surgery and trying to figure out how to still go on safari. That's another thread. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...9/counting-it-down-in-clute#Post12963359

I've despaired at the teenage boy topics on this site. Glad (as with my continuing participation at AR) to still be checking discussions here. When I find a diamond, well, the 'kak' is worth going through.