There are pros and cons here....

Your thoughts?

https://www.bloombergquint.com/poli...-very-seriously-at-permanent-poland-base

I see only bad. It will piss off the Russians unnecessarily and will let the Europeans keep thinking "the Americans are here to protect us and we don't have to provide for ourselves".

Poland has long been our ally...I seen no negative with this. Even better would be to withdraw completely from places like Germany and Turkey in preference for countries who actually contribute something to their own defense and who don't hate our guts.

Well if UPFAGGOT thinks it's bad, it has to be good

I thought Trump and Putin were best buddies? Then why in the world would Trump put a base in Poland? Unless the whole collusion thing is a scam.

I spent two weeks in Poland last year. Trump is looked at like a hero to many people there. Mostly because he clearly outlined the crimes against Poland from Germany and Russia in WWII.

Poland was the first place Trump visited.

Colluding with Poland, now...

What would it achieve? How much will it cost?

What do the Polish people think about it?

Who's idea was it?

I notice that you seem to be fixated by the term "[bleep]". You continuously call people you disagree with that term. Is there something that you want to tell us? That closet is really small and dark...
PS--You've averaged 16 posts a day here for almost 16 years. You don't get out of your mother's basement too often, do you?

His mothers basement??? Really??? I've read a lot of clueless posts here on the fire, but this has to be one of the top 10....

To throw the midterms, Democrats have their eye on the Russians.

All of this is just another element of the Russia collusion crap.

Trump is being advised to build up the military in Poland in order to diffuse the lies that have been put out by the leftists concerning Trump's friendship with Putin. The people who are putting out the lies wants to see war between the U.S. and Russia, and anything that they can do to irritate Russia is just another step closer to realizing that goal.

When the Polish Prime Minister spoke, the majority of his statement had to do with increasing trade with the U.S. Towards the end, he said that he would be happy to have additional U.S. military forces in Poland.

The way I read it is,..Poland knows that Russia is no longer a threat to them. But if allowing the U.S. to increase its military strength will result in additional trade with the U.S.,...what the hell?

Holding maneuvers in Poland might be cheaper than in Germany.

In 1988 I did a Reforger exercise and just the cost incurred from paying for the damage caused by running armored vehicles around Germany was nuts. Having a Brigade or Regiment around can be a pretty good economic boost by itself.

Dodgefan,

I think you are correct. Having a US base in Poland is an economic gain for Poland. Additionally, it gives them greater security over Russia.

All,

I would not say that Russia isn’t a threat to its neighbors. Just ask some Ukrainians and Georgians about their feelings.

Though, Russia will have to act in some way to counter a base in Poland. What that exactly is will determine if it’s worth the squeeze.

I like Poland. Safest place to visit in the neighborhood IMO. Great food and drinks. Affordable. Clean beautiful cities like Gdańsk and Krakow. I just don’t want to go war with Russia over it.

Man, if I was Poland I would want no part of it. Any time one of those countries sticks their necks out based on a US made promise they end up getting shafted by the next administration,. God Bless the Poles, they are bent on maintaining sovereignty and know better than anyone what it means to lose it. I would love to help them in that regard but it is because of that affection I would warn them off. What is it they say in South America, "it is deadly to be an enemy of the United States but it is fatal to be an ally."

I think we should strongly consider pulling out of all European countries with muslim immigration problems. Given the insanity of that issue and the "support" the host countries politically provide, there is no telling what disasters could occur for our troops and investments.

Poland isn't one of them.

Tactically a mistake. Poland's terrain is a Tanker's dream. Germany's Fulda Gap was the centerpiece of our European defense for a reason. Now geopolitically, it would be a good move I think..

Move the base we have in Germany to Poland. I like it!

poland has been the gateway from the east during many wars over the last century or two. it makes perfect sense to me, The war of 1922 was a training ground for what stalin and the others wanted, not to mention the abandonment of poland in WWII.
The poles, hungarians, slavs and others know full well what is in entailed. Keep in mine current day poland contains a lot of what was once other countries, gdansk was part of prussia, and so on. My grandmothers home village is in present day slovakia, and she was slav, but it's a short walk to poland today, in her time it would have been poland.

This exactly. Reward our true allies and snub our detractors. It's time for each NATO country to individually and publicly Chitt or get off the pot!

I agree!

NYH1.

Great idea !

I think we should just hold a military parade of all of our top secret weapons systems.....tell the rest of the world we're tired of all the schitt and we're gonna start killing every MF'r that pisses us off....With Trump in charge, it just might work...

MPGA! doesnt have the same ring to it. ?

Wrong!

It's in the top 4, Jeff Obama still carries 1, 2, and3.

I think it's a great idea!

I like the poles they're some real tuff fuggers.

History provides the pertinent lesson here. Poland is militarily indefensible. No natural barriers whatsoever.

Love the Poles. Fierce, proud, true. But their country is going to be the first one over run every single damn time there's a shooting war....

US troops are already in Poland, and many other places throughout Europe.

Been talked about for almost 10 years now. They were planning on a large training center in Poland, the Poles were going to furnish a bunch of land and the infrastructure from what I recall.

I vote nuke, North & South Korea first.
A military base in Poland is a great idea, more spies in Europe, more allies too.

Gonna go (again) with Trump's rhetoric on this one.

What kind of military base? If that's $2 billion US money, that gets a lot in Poland. I think Gdansk would make a nice place for a port of call along the Baltic.

Yes^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^






And Yes^^^^^^^

Seems like we have enough bases.......maybe not?

Fort Trump


President Donald Trump shakes hands with Polish President Andrzej Duda, during a
news conference in the East Room of the White House in Washington, Sept. 18, 2018.
(AP Photo/Susan Walsh) -- The Associated Press

Military.com 18 Sep 2018
By Richard Sisk

U.S. President Donald Trump and his Polish counterpart said Tuesday they are exploring setting up a permanent U.S. military base in Poland, which could be named "Fort Trump."

Poland has long sought to have the U.S. bolster its presence in Eastern Europe as a counter to Russia, and Polish President Andrzej Duda said at the White House that the base could be called "Fort Trump" if that would speed the process.

At a joint news conference with Duda, Trump said he is open to the idea if Poland comes up with the money to offset the cost. "Poland is willing to make a very major contribution to the United States to come in and have a presence in Poland. If they're willing to do that, it's something we will certainly talk about."

In his remarks, Duda said, "I would very much like to ask to set up a permanent American base in Poland, which we would call 'Fort Trump.' I firmly believe this is possible. I am convinced that such a decision lies in the Polish interest and in the interest of the United States."

Duda's praise of Trump is in line with Warsaw's stance on mutual defense, which has stood apart from other NATO member states in their sometimes contentious dealings with the U.S. administration.

France and Germany have at times responded in kind to Trump's harsh criticism of alliance members for failing to spend more on defense, but Polish officials, for the most part, have been consistent in their praise of Trump in an effort to get more U.S. support.

They are also well aware of Trump's proclivity for naming projects after himself.

Duda said that a "Fort Trump" and an increase in U.S. military presence in the region "is absolutely justified" as a deterrent to Russia, whose troops have been increasingly active on NATO's borders.

"I am convinced there is no more effective method of preventing a war than a decisive stance illustrating that we are ready at any moment to repel possible attack," Duda said.

Trump seemed to be particularly intrigued by the possibility of getting upwards of $2 billion in Polish funding for the proposal.

"Poland would be paying billions of dollars for a base," Trump said. "The [Polish] president offered us much more than $2 billion, so we're looking at it."

Since Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, and followed that up with military support for separatists in eastern Ukraine, Poland has welcomed rotational U.S. and NATO deployments to Poland and the Baltic states, and pressed for more.

In the most recent deployment, the U.S. Air Force last month sent five F-22 Raptors and 40 airmen to Poland to take part in joint exercises aimed at deterring Russian air incursions.

At the White House, Trump and Duda did not go into what types of troops and assets might be deployed to a "Fort Trump" in Poland.

While Poland has been advocating for a permanent U.S. base on its territory, Moscow has been warning that it would respond aggressively to such a presence.

Retired Army Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges was an advocate for boosting the U.S. military presence while he served as commander of U.S. Army Europe, but he also cautioned that a permanent U.S. base in Poland had a downside.

"It would give Moscow an easy opportunity to claim that NATO is an aggressor and to somehow respond to protect Russian sovereignty," Hodges told Politico in June.

U.S. President Donald Trump and his Polish counterpart said Tuesday they are exploring setting up a permanent U.S. military base in Poland, which could be named "Fort Trump."

Poland has long sought to have the U.S. bolster its presence in Eastern Europe as a counter to Russia, and Polish President Andrzej Duda said at the White House that the base could be called "Fort Trump" if that would speed the process.

At a joint news conference with Duda, Trump said he is open to the idea if Poland comes up with the money to offset the cost. "Poland is willing to make a very major contribution to the United States to come in and have a presence in Poland. If they're willing to do that, it's something we will certainly talk about."

In his remarks, Duda said, "I would very much like to ask to set up a permanent American base in Poland, which we would call 'Fort Trump.' I firmly believe this is possible. I am convinced that such a decision lies in the Polish interest and in the interest of the United States."

Duda's praise of Trump is in line with Warsaw's stance on mutual defense, which has stood apart from other NATO member states in their sometimes contentious dealings with the U.S. administration.

France and Germany have at times responded in kind to Trump's harsh criticism of alliance members for failing to spend more on defense, but Polish officials, for the most part, have been consistent in their praise of Trump in an effort to get more U.S. support.

They are also well aware of Trump's proclivity for naming projects after himself.

Duda said that a "Fort Trump" and an increase in U.S. military presence in the region "is absolutely justified" as a deterrent to Russia, whose troops have been increasingly active on NATO's borders.

"I am convinced there is no more effective method of preventing a war than a decisive stance illustrating that we are ready at any moment to repel possible attack," Duda said.

Trump seemed to be particularly intrigued by the possibility of getting upwards of $2 billion in Polish funding for the proposal.

"Poland would be paying billions of dollars for a base," Trump said. "The [Polish] president offered us much more than $2 billion, so we're looking at it."

Since Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, and followed that up with military support for separatists in eastern Ukraine, Poland has welcomed rotational U.S. and NATO deployments to Poland and the Baltic states, and pressed for more.

In the most recent deployment, the U.S. Air Force last month sent five F-22 Raptors and 40 airmen to Poland to take part in joint exercises aimed at deterring Russian air incursions.

At the White House, Trump and Duda did not go into what types of troops and assets might be deployed to a "Fort Trump" in Poland.

While Poland has been advocating for a permanent U.S. base on its territory, Moscow has been warning that it would respond aggressively to such a presence.

Retired Army Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges was an advocate for boosting the U.S. military presence while he served as commander of U.S. Army Europe, but he also cautioned that a permanent U.S. base in Poland had a downside.

"It would give Moscow an easy opportunity to claim that NATO is an aggressor and to somehow respond to protect Russian sovereignty," Hodges told Politico in June.[/img]

Military.com 18 Sep 2018 By Richard Sisk
U.S. President Donald Trump and his Polish counterpart said Tuesday they are exploring setting up a permanent U.S. military base in Poland, which could be named "Fort Trump."

Poland has long sought to have the U.S. bolster its presence in Eastern Europe as a counter to Russia, and Polish President Andrzej Duda said at the White House that the base could be called "Fort Trump" if that would speed the process.

At a joint news conference with Duda, Trump said he is open to the idea if Poland comes up with the money to offset the cost. "Poland is willing to make a very major contribution to the United States to come in and have a presence in Poland. If they're willing to do that, it's something we will certainly talk about."

In his remarks, Duda said, "I would very much like to ask to set up a permanent American base in Poland, which we would call 'Fort Trump.' I firmly believe this is possible. I am convinced that such a decision lies in the Polish interest and in the interest of the United States."

Duda's praise of Trump is in line with Warsaw's stance on mutual defense, which has stood apart from other NATO member states in their sometimes contentious dealings with the U.S. administration.

France and Germany have at times responded in kind to Trump's harsh criticism of alliance members for failing to spend more on defense, but Polish officials, for the most part, have been consistent in their praise of Trump in an effort to get more U.S. support.

They are also well aware of Trump's proclivity for naming projects after himself.

Duda said that a "Fort Trump" and an increase in U.S. military presence in the region "is absolutely justified" as a deterrent to Russia, whose troops have been increasingly active on NATO's borders.

"I am convinced there is no more effective method of preventing a war than a decisive stance illustrating that we are ready at any moment to repel possible attack," Duda said.

Trump seemed to be particularly intrigued by the possibility of getting upwards of $2 billion in Polish funding for the proposal.

"Poland would be paying billions of dollars for a base," Trump said. "The [Polish] president offered us much more than $2 billion, so we're looking at it."

Since Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, and followed that up with military support for separatists in eastern Ukraine, Poland has welcomed rotational U.S. and NATO deployments to Poland and the Baltic states, and pressed for more.

In the most recent deployment, the U.S. Air Force last month sent five F-22 Raptors and 40 airmen to Poland to take part in joint exercises aimed at deterring Russian air incursions.

At the White House, Trump and Duda did not go into what types of troops and assets might be deployed to a "Fort Trump" in Poland.

While Poland has been advocating for a permanent U.S. base on its territory, Moscow has been warning that it would respond aggressively to such a presence.

Retired Army Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges was an advocate for boosting the U.S. military presence while he served as commander of U.S. Army Europe, but he also cautioned that a permanent U.S. base in Poland had a downside.

"It would give Moscow an easy opportunity to claim that NATO is an aggressor and to somehow respond to protect Russian sovereignty," Hodges told Politico in June.

OrangeOkie - For some reason the text of your post was repeated multiple times making it appear like a long read.

I edited it down to a single instance hoping it might entice more to read it.

Here it is in Total. Shorter and much less imposing read - I hope.

It was reported in the national newspapers here today that Poland is offering to pay for the base.

The Poles make very good allies.