Religion has really helped f--- this up. Be fruitful and multiply. That directive may have made sense many years ago, but now helps create an overpopulated planet. Too many people = more pollution, disease & waste of resources. I say practice birth control on a global scale, not abortion. I guess it has it's good points, if you're on welfare, the more kids you can pop out the more money you get. But that's ok, the people that worked all their lives end up paying for them. The pope needs to start handing out condoms & birth control pills.
Control of the population and working toward a workable and stable economic model is something which whould have been addressed seriously fifty years ago but, plainly, it was not. It was widely known that the human population was going down a runaway path but most did not want try and address it; probably because that wasn't where the money was. Even now, people are quick to say something has to be done in Africa or India but we can keep right on breeding. I think it's too late and while my generation will likely be OK (within the next ten years or so I may be gone), even my children may be paying the penalty. GD
Population problem? NO evidence such a problem exists.
Which planet are you on? This is absolutely nuckin' futz. Look how many people are starving in Africa, Asia, or even in our inner cities
Gus ... the end game is famine leading to wars over the scraps. Malthus predicted the end game in 1798 with his book. He was correct then, nothing has changed 'cept technological (including medical) advances pushing carrying capacity outwards. One day we will encounter or create a bug we can't stop and about 98% of the earth's population will be dead within a year or less. It's not "if", it is "when." I suspect you know that the same as I do. Whole lotta people are whistling as they pass the graveyard.
Control of the population and working toward a workable and stable economic model is something which whould have been addressed seriously fifty years ago but, plainly, it was not. It was widely known that the human population was going down a runaway path but most did not want try and address it; probably because that wasn't where the money was. Even now, people are quick to say something has to be done in Africa or India but we can keep right on breeding. I think it's too late and while my generation will likely be OK (within the next ten years or so I may be gone), even my children may be paying the penalty. GD
Have to strongly disagree with you. The prosperous countries, those who produce more than they consume, have negative growth birth rates. Even in the US, the people that are successful and can totally support their families, aren't having two kids per couple. The dim bulbs that are subsidized are the baby factories.
We need MORE babies born to hard working, productive, intelligent, moral families.
Big Jim up there in Montana has a few chillins' and he is young. He needs to get with the program and make a few more young ranchers.
China tried this, with a vengeance - see how that has worked out for them. Reproduction is perhaps the strongest biological urge known and is at the center of maintaining biological diversity. Any attempt to control this will end badly. Over population on the other hand is easily controlled by mother nature whether we like the results or not.
If you were offered the chance to populate an uninhabited planet, would you do it? Or would you stay here and devour this planet?
The only chance for mankind is to get off this rock. Review astronomy - planet is doomed - Sol turns into a red giant our world ends in fire - totally toast.
Religion has really helped f--- this up. Be fruitful and multiply. That directive may have made sense many years ago, but now helps create an overpopulated planet.
The verse says in total “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion” over all creation (Genesis 1:28). Note that it doesn't say that there's no end to it. Man has completed the task and the earth is full. There is no command to keep multiplying after the earth is full.
Religion has really helped f--- this up. Be fruitful and multiply. That directive may have made sense many years ago, but now helps create an overpopulated planet.
The verse says in total “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion” over all creation (Genesis 1:28). Note that it doesn't say that there's no end to it. Man has completed the task and the earth is full. There is no command to keep multiplying after the earth is full.
I see the only caveat to the command given to Adam and Eve is the one you added, which is found nowhere in Genesis or anywhere else in any of the half a dozen versions of the Bible I've seen. So does that mean that another version of the Bible will be dictated soon which clarifies, or are you just pulling that out of your ass, like all the other Bible-quoters?
we all know it's tough to overide a huge, & strong biological urge. it's built-in, by evolutionary process?
The logical means would be to infuse whatever grains, etc we export to "starving" nations with substances to at least temporarily sterilize the people that eat them. I say temporarily, because once they're able to feed themselves with locally grown stuff, then they could successfully reproduce right up to the limit the local food supply would support.
Y' know, that might not be a bad approach for inner city school lunches, too.
Religion has really helped f--- this up. Be fruitful and multiply. That directive may have made sense many years ago, but now helps create an overpopulated planet.
The verse says in total “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion” over all creation (Genesis 1:28). Note that it doesn't say that there's no end to it. Man has completed the task and the earth is full. There is no command to keep multiplying after the earth is full.
I see the only caveat to the command given to Adam and Eve is the one you added, which is found nowhere in Genesis or anywhere else in any of the half a dozen versions of the Bible I've seen. So does that mean that another version of the Bible will be dictated soon which clarifies, or are you just pulling that out of your ass, like all the other Bible-quoters?
Will you please quote the verse that says man is to keep breeding until mass starvation overwhelms the earth? God gave a command to 2 people and now there are 7 billion. Are you saying man is to just keep breeding forever?
let's face it, almost all, if not all adult human men & women love sex. it's so uplifting, enjoyable, etc. etc.
in the past without the guts of a goat or sheep or something similar to prevent conception, then conception could result.
time of the month for the female was also a factor. and certain "religious" practices also had an impact?
but now, with some 7.2 billion people, more or less, then do we need to approach the problem from a new direction?
we know people like sex. just look around. we see the effects of sex every day. they're walking the streets, some begging.
is there a problem with the basic design? or, can we overcome any basic design flaws with technology?
what we might have here is a failure to address some fundamental problems that might be creeping up on us?
as a societal effort should we be holding back on populating the earth as quickly as possible, or moving faster in that direction?
How well did the one child work out for China?
i think they implemented the option, voluntary or not. (there was penalities otherwise, taxes can be hell).
we all know it's tough to overide a huge, & strong biological urge. it's built-in, by evolutionary process?
Gus, you are a little behind on your current events and recent history.
One child is a disaster for China. They have an aging population and not enough people producing enough to take care of them.
They also have a shortage of women. Since the Chinese has a preference for boys, there we selectively aborting the girls, leaving a shortage of girls for the next generation.
As for penalties, if a woman became pregnant a second time, the penalty was government forced abortion and government forced sterilization.
Population problem? NO evidence such a problem exists.
Which planet are you on? This is absolutely nuckin' futz. Look how many people are starving in Africa, Asia, or even in our inner cities
Gus ... the end game is famine leading to wars over the scraps. Malthus predicted the end game in 1798 with his book. He was correct then, nothing has changed 'cept technological (including medical) advances pushing carrying capacity outwards. One day we will encounter or create a bug we can't stop and about 98% of the earth's population will be dead within a year or less. It's not "if", it is "when." I suspect you know that the same as I do. Whole lotta people are whistling as they pass the graveyard.
Tom
Those starving in Africa, Asia and our inner cities are a self-inflicted problem by the so-called starving people themselves. Darwin keeps trying to scrub the inferior parasites of the species from the planet and the do-gooders keep rescuing them from themselves putting further strain on the resources of the planet.
World population growth was 2% per year in 1960. Babies everywhere. Today, it's less than 1%, and the rate of growth is falling off a cliff. Almost ALL areas of the world are negative or close to neutral, other than a few parts of Asia and of course, Africa.
Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia and Japan are shrinking in population, quickly.
Every region goes through the same cycle. People have lots of babies and lots of babies die. Then through improved nutrition and medicine, all of a sudden the babies stop dying. The next generation stops having so many babies. The generation after achieves a much higher level of wealth, and barely has babies at all.
Next people will be looking into controlling the weather and climate.
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you mean by 'sending prayers'....or maybe chemtrails...?
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The verse says in total “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion” over all creation (Genesis 1:28). Note that it doesn't say that there's no end to it. Man has completed the task and the earth is full. There is no command to keep multiplying after the earth is full.
To what degree was man supposed to 'fill' the earth...?
When it became full according to Gods measure, what was the global population at that point? ie; how far over that mark is the current world population?
We have so much food in our country we burn it in our cars. So much grain that we don't have sufficient storage. It gets piled on the ground and much goes to waste. So much that we can pay farmers not to use arable land. So much that even when grain is used, much is used for meat production. A luxury food for rich people. An inefficient use that results in less actual human food. Any idea why people starve?
Name me three countries where there is actually inadequate food for the population.
If two off the above list apply, you can't use that country.
I get sick of hearing about starving kids in this country. It's just not a true fact.
WIC School lunches Food banks Church charities Compassionate neighbors
If a kid is hungry, the parents have decided that kid should be hungry. Our school has started a backpack food program. On Friday select kids get food to take home to get them through the weekend. Part of the design is to keep the parent from taking the food and selling it. It gives the kid a certain control over their food.
Newt Gingrich was right about orphanages, and unless we start to use them, parents will starve their kids.
We have so much food in our country we burn it in our cars. So much grain that we don't have sufficient storage. It gets piled on the ground and much goes to waste. So much that we can pay farmers not to use arable land. So much that even when grain is used, much is used for meat production. A luxury food for rich people. An inefficient use that results in less actual human food. Any idea why people starve?
no he ain't. but it's out there and has been nearly forever it seems like.
it's like some one iterated in a prior post, even if someone did recognize the problem, there wouldn't be a damn thing they could do about it.
our whole economic system is predicated upon growth, and more of it. like an oak tree, one might say.
our main line base economic theories rely upon growth. nobody got a clue when national populations are in decline, except bring in workers from over-populated areas of the urth.
china saw the problem, but addressed it with inadequate and inappropriate policies. they are building high-tech condom mfg. facilities in haiti. maybe we can thank them for that?
the early design of humans was very effective, it got the humans up to a critical mass of populations to escape and avoid disease, wars, etc. and still leave a viable population. in the design that has worked so well so far, we're seeing signs of excesses now. look in the walmart, in the schools, in foreign countries.
and there's nobody to address or educate the populance on hardly any of it. it's call freedom, and by god we all want some of that. i pay good tax money to buy mine.
At its core this conversation about over population is fundamentally about the competition for resources, power and control.
Its bullschit. Like the Paris Accord, or in other words the New Race for Africa.
One thing is for sure....you people have too much to eat if this is the kind of schit you worry about.
by jove, Jim. much of what you say comes right out of my playbook. when overpopulation occurs, if it hasn't already, then the competition for resources, power & control intensifies. how our top mgnt and the rest of the worlds top management deals with it will have lasting effects on the quality of life of our offspring.
secular humanists have a chance now to act while there's still time. if the clock itsself runs out, ol Mother Nature is going to have quite a jolly time making things right again. or she might just move on to the next iteration leaving us in the history books?
This subject came up talking with a woman. She was saying how disgusting this and men were until I ask her "what about all the buzzing dill does girls have been buying for decades" She had no answer.
At its core this conversation about over population is fundamentally about the competition for resources, power and control.
Its bullschit. Like the Paris Accord, or in other words the New Race for Africa.
One thing is for sure....you people have too much to eat if this is the kind of schit you worry about.
If you say so, Jim.
Certainly, there is and will always be competition for resources. You will be competing with ever more Californians for your water and space to breathe. Good luck with that. Maybe all those extra folks and the jingle in their pockets will finally get Montana off the list of welfare states. But regardless, you are going to get a whole bunch more people and I'm sure you are lovin' it.
I'm not going to worry about it. I'm just going to sit back and watch.
Cannabalism is lthe answer. Solves food shortage and overpopulation in one. I heard this suggested just a couple days ago.
Then there is the old "A Modest Proposal"
it might be a worthy suggestion to begin practicing on cats first especially the feral ones. move on up to the free-roaming pets, then housecats. work on techniques, cook times, and recipes to add diversity to such a lovely dish.
in other words, protein is protein. if it can be mfg. in the factory cheaper than growing it on the hoof walking on the land, then so be it.
They dont need anybody. They will be fine......as is so often pointed out by the leftists when talk of succession comes about.
Yes yes leroy....the Californians are coming you jackass.
Of course the Californicans will be fine. They have plenty of money. It will be your costs they drive up. Hope you will be fine with that. Everything to the highest bidder you know.
Coming for you, not me. But no problem. You have ALL the answers. I'm watching.
i have come to the conclusion while reading the posts on this forum, and other sources of information, that an indication of over-population of humans on this earth is folks without jobs, or sources of support other than the state & federal government. no help from the global humanity for sure.
but, the feds are literally feeding people with no visible means of support. but how do they do that? why by taxing the able workers of course.
that'd be you and i. we are taxed to pay for our freedom, and it also buys support for the humans who have no visible means of support.
how did that happen?
more importantly, how can we best change things so that everyone has a contribution to offer. an opportunity to pay taxes like the rest of us?
folks would willingly pay taxes if given the opportunity to do so, yes?
They dont need anybody. They will be fine......as is so often pointed out by the leftists when talk of succession comes about.
Yes yes leroy....the Californians are coming you jackass.
Of course the Californicans will be fine. They have plenty of money. It will be your costs they drive up. Hope you will be fine with that. Everything to the highest bidder you know.
Coming for you, not me. But no problem. You have ALL the answers. I'm watching.
let's see: we can work for a living, or steal, recieve welfare, or inherit wealth?
or marry into wealth.
that way you'll have far easier access to stealing money along the way and finally if you are calculating and ruthless enough, you will also legally inherit the lot.
World population growth was 2% per year in 1960. Babies everywhere. Today, it's less than 1%, and the rate of growth is falling off a cliff. Almost ALL areas of the world are negative or close to neutral, other than a few parts of Asia and of course, Africa.
Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia and Japan are shrinking in population, quickly.
Every region goes through the same cycle. People have lots of babies and lots of babies die. Then through improved nutrition and medicine, all of a sudden the babies stop dying. The next generation stops having so many babies. The generation after achieves a much higher level of wealth, and barely has babies at all.
This century, it's Africa's turn.
Finally.
Someone who's actually paying attention to the real world.
They dont need anybody. They will be fine......as is so often pointed out by the leftists when talk of succession comes about.
Yes yes leroy....the Californians are coming you jackass.
Of course the Californicans will be fine. They have plenty of money. It will be your costs they drive up. Hope you will be fine with that. Everything to the highest bidder you know.
Coming for you, not me. But no problem. You have ALL the answers. I'm watching.
Youre once again, talking out of you pie faced ass.
At its core this conversation about over population is fundamentally about the competition for resources, power and control.
Its bullschit. Like the Paris Accord, or in other words the New Race for Africa.
One thing is for sure....you people have too much to eat if this is the kind of schit you worry about.
If you say so, Jim.
Certainly, there is and will always be competition for resources. You will be competing with ever more Californians for your water and space to breathe. Good luck with that. Maybe all those extra folks and the jingle in their pockets will finally get Montana off the list of welfare states. But regardless, you are going to get a whole bunch more people and I'm sure you are lovin' it.
I'm not going to worry about it. I'm just going to sit back and watch.
And your dimocrap buds pay illegals to break the law to cross the border to drop their spawn and become full fleged US citizens.
They dont need anybody. They will be fine......as is so often pointed out by the leftists when talk of succession comes about.
Yes yes leroy....the Californians are coming you jackass.
Of course the Californicans will be fine. They have plenty of money. It will be your costs they drive up. Hope you will be fine with that. Everything to the highest bidder you know.
Coming for you, not me. But no problem. You have ALL the answers. I'm watching.
Youre once again, talking out of you pie faced ass.
At its core this conversation about over population is fundamentally about the competition for resources, power and control.
Its bullschit. Like the Paris Accord, or in other words the New Race for Africa.
One thing is for sure....you people have too much to eat if this is the kind of schit you worry about.
If you say so, Jim.
Certainly, there is and will always be competition for resources. You will be competing with ever more Californians for your water and space to breathe. Good luck with that. Maybe all those extra folks and the jingle in their pockets will finally get Montana off the list of welfare states. But regardless, you are going to get a whole bunch more people and I'm sure you are lovin' it.
I'm not going to worry about it. I'm just going to sit back and watch.
And your dimocrap buds pay illegals to break the law to cross the border to drop their spawn and become full fleged US citizens.
Haven't heard about that happening lately. Don't seem likely in the slightest.
But carry on. Ya'll been a might slow tonight so please pick up the pace. You especially jaggie
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