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Posted By: watch4bear SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Finally


The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) today praised the Supreme Court’s decision to hear a critical case involving the fundamental, constitutional right to travel with a firearm. The case, which is backed by the National Rifle Association, challenges New York City's strict limits on the right to travel with a firearm outside of the home. The right to travel is a precursor to the right of self-defense and defines gun ownership outside the home in general.

“The Supreme Court’s decision to hear this case sets the stage for affirming the individual right to self-defense outside of the home,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director, NRA-ILA.

The NRA-supported case, New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. The City of New York, challenges the constitutionality of a of New York City law that bans law-abiding handgun owners from traveling outside the city with their firearm. Currently, a licensed handgun owner in New York City is prohibited from taking their firearm outside of their home unless they are going to a shooting range inside the city. This draconian restriction means law-abiding gun owners are prohibited from taking their handguns to ranges outside of the city, or on hunting trips, or anywhere to which they wish to travel and have their gun available for self-defense at their destination.

More than a decade has passed since the court recognized the Second Amendment protects an individual right to have a handgun in the home for self-defense in District of Columbia v. Heller. In 2010, in McDonald v. Chicago, the court recognized that individual right is fundamental and applies to the states. Since those decisions, the Supreme Court has declined to hear several Second Amendment cases.

“The importance of this case cannot be overstated. We look forward to the Supreme Court overturning New York’s draconian and blatantly unconstitutional law,” Cox concluded.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190122/supreme-court-grants-cert-in-critical-second-amendment-case
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
There are so many laws on the books out there to be contested.
Posted By: ol_mike Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Thing is there are no repercussions against the people who took thousands of peoples Constitutional Rights .
Let a big corporation do something completely against the law and see if they skate like the commies do .
Posted By: watch4bear Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
There are so many laws on the books out there to be contested.



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More than a decade has passed since the court recognized the Second Amendment protects an individual right to have a handgun in the home for self-defense in District of Columbia v. Heller. In 2010, in McDonald v. Chicago, the court recognized that individual right is fundamental and applies to the states. Since those decisions, the Supreme Court has declined to hear several Second Amendment cases.





This one decision could make all the others fall flat.
Posted By: watch4bear Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
I wonder how big Bloombergs ass is? He's fixin to get a lot shoved up there.
Posted By: ol_mike Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Originally Posted by watch4bear
I wonder how big Bloombergs ass is? He's fixin to get a lot shoved up there.

I bet puddler knows - then again he's probably a 'bottom' .
Posted By: watch4bear Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
grin
Posted By: lastround Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
I hope the decision goes the way we want . Would be a disaster if it does not!
Posted By: watch4bear Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Originally Posted by lastround
I hope the decision goes the way we want . Would be a disaster if it does not!




Heller 5-4, what would todays count look like?
Posted By: 12344mag Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
10 fuqking years......
Posted By: pdman Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Hey All...I do hope this case goes our way...NYC "law" stretches the NY STATE law to suit their own fancies re handguns....let me try to 'splain...i am a former NYPD SGT...30yrs...1981 to 2011 & retired...
I had permits to posses handguns in NYC starting in 1975 before i joined the NYPD...NY STATE PENAL LAW section 400.00 authorizes TWO type of handgun permits....carry permit and premise permit...the carry permit is valid ANYWHERE in NY STATE except, of course, NYC....the premise permit authorizes a handgun on the address on the permit only....there was a time when NYC issued a "target" permit...that authorized the permit holder to take his firearm to and from a shooting range in a LOCKED BOX with ammo to be carried separately....also it allowed the permit holder to carry his firearm afield while actually hunting...meaning that when you were finished hunting the weapon had to go back in the locked box...!!!! I believe a lawsuit against the NYPD LICENSE DIV. did away with the "target" permit since that type of license was not in the NY STATE PENAL LAW...also NYC limited one to 3 handguns...another lawsuit threw that out and NYC now requires you to own a safe to secure your handguns if you own more than 3...you must submit a copy of the bill of sale for the safe and a photo of the safe showing it closed and open..!!!!! So now NYC only issues premise permits and of course the carry license which is about impossible to obtain unless you meet their "guidelines"...(you must show "need" to carry a firearm...they decide if your need is valid)....the problem with the premise permit is when you want to take your handgun hunting...NYC will give you an endorsement(piece of paper) that "authorizes" you to take your weapon afield hunting...there is no such provision in NY STATE LAW...sooooo..there are counties in upstate NY that go by what your permit says...the premise permit says you may only posess it on the address on the permit....you are in violation of NY STATE LAW if you are afield with your weapon in upstate NY...so far no one has had a problem hunting upstate with their premise permit and that "hunting endorsement" issued by NYC....as you can see NYC is loathe to issue carry permits....nuff said

I left NYC upon retirement so i am not quite up on their latest regs re handguns....
PETE
Heller recognized a Federal right to keep arms for self defense within one's own home.
Mcdonald extended that to the states.
The purpose of this suit is to gain recognition that the right to bear arms extends beyond ones own home.
Posted By: Valsdad Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Thanks for that info Pete, glad you made it out alive too.

Geno
Posted By: mtnsnake Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Might be a bad time for this case.
Posted By: las Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Might be a bad time for this case.


Why? Should be 5/4 anyway. And more if RBG does the right thing, and we get another Trump appointee in.
Posted By: Higginez Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
It sure would suck if it didn't go our way and we ended up with another conservative judge afterward.
Posted By: mtnsnake Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
That is a lot to hope in this day and age.
Posted By: watch4bear Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Originally Posted by Higbean
It sure would suck if it didn't go our way and we ended up with another conservative judge afterward.




If they were use the constitution as a guide, the vote would be 9-0.
Posted By: Lockhart Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Don't count on that. Neither Roberts nor Kavanaugh can be trusted.
Posted By: mtnsnake Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
+1
Posted By: watch4bear Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Originally Posted by Lockhart
Don't count on that. Neither Roberts nor Kavanaugh can be trusted.




When did they vote against guns?
Posted By: bowmanh Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
I think they'll strike down NYC's unconstitutional law. But I'd feel better with another originalist on the court.
Posted By: night_owl Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
I don't see not much downside risk with this appeal.
If SCOTUS reverses, we get at least intermediate scrutiny and maybe down the road a back door to bring into and use firearms in all 50 states.
Posted By: watch4bear Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Originally Posted by night_owl
I don't see not much downside risk with this appeal.
If SCOTUS reverses, a few interesting things could result.




Exactly

https://video.foxnews.com/v/5271761315001/#sp=show-clips
Posted By: Hammerdown Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Thanks Pete, thanks for the 411 and your service.
Posted By: mtnsnake Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
I hope y'all are right.
This should go 6-3, our way.
Posted By: rockinbbar Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
This should go 6-3, our way.



A lot of things "should", but I still get nervous.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
This should go 6-3, our way.



A lot of things "should", but I still get nervous.
I understand.
Posted By: 12344mag Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Originally Posted by watch4bear
Originally Posted by Higbean
It sure would suck if it didn't go our way and we ended up with another conservative judge afterward.




If they were use the constitution as a guide, the vote would be 9-0.


Spot on.
Posted By: Redneck Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
There are so many laws on the books out there to be contested.
....and the very next - and most urgent - are these !$%!$# red-flag laws...
Posted By: Redneck Re: SCOTUS to hear gun case - 01/23/19
Originally Posted by pdman
Hey All...I do hope this case goes our way...NYC "law" stretches the NY STATE law to suit their own fancies re handguns....let me try to 'splain...i am a former NYPD SGT...30yrs...1981 to 2011 & retired...
I had permits to posses handguns in NYC starting in 1975 before i joined the NYPD...NY STATE PENAL LAW section 400.00 authorizes TWO type of handgun permits....carry permit and premise permit...the carry permit is valid ANYWHERE in NY STATE except, of course, NYC....the premise permit authorizes a handgun on the address on the permit only....there was a time when NYC issued a "target" permit...that authorized the permit holder to take his firearm to and from a shooting range in a LOCKED BOX with ammo to be carried separately....also it allowed the permit holder to carry his firearm afield while actually hunting...meaning that when you were finished hunting the weapon had to go back in the locked box...!!!! I believe a lawsuit against the NYPD LICENSE DIV. did away with the "target" permit since that type of license was not in the NY STATE PENAL LAW...also NYC limited one to 3 handguns...another lawsuit threw that out and NYC now requires you to own a safe to secure your handguns if you own more than 3...you must submit a copy of the bill of sale for the safe and a photo of the safe showing it closed and open..!!!!! So now NYC only issues premise permits and of course the carry license which is about impossible to obtain unless you meet their "guidelines"...(you must show "need" to carry a firearm...they decide if your need is valid)....the problem with the premise permit is when you want to take your handgun hunting...NYC will give you an endorsement(piece of paper) that "authorizes" you to take your weapon afield hunting...there is no such provision in NY STATE LAW...sooooo..there are counties in upstate NY that go by what your permit says...the premise permit says you may only posess it on the address on the permit....you are in violation of NY STATE LAW if you are afield with your weapon in upstate NY...so far no one has had a problem hunting upstate with their premise permit and that "hunting endorsement" issued by NYC....as you can see NYC is loathe to issue carry permits....nuff said
Good lord! What a communist part of the country NYC is.... eek

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I left NYC upon retirement so i am not quite up on their latest regs re handguns....
PETE
Thanks for your service, Pete - and I bet you are a bunch happier now since you're outta NYC..
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