Why do you think they want to stop any sales of guns without a background check. They dont care about safety. Its so there is a record of the purchase. Using the background check thing as a way of determining if you have a firearm only works if there is a record made if you dispose of it. So they want to close any transfer that doesnt make a record. So you cant say , well I sold that.
Why do you think they want to stop any sales of guns without a background check. They dont care about safety. Its so there is a record of the purchase. Using the background check thing as a way of determining if you have a firearm only works if there is a record made if you dispose of it. So they want to close any transfer that doesnt make a record. So you cant say , well I sold that.
You are exactly right and I've been saying the same thing on here for many years. Some on here are for Universal Background Checks and others are for Red Flag Laws. Both are extremely bad. Universal Background Checks may or may not pass a Constitutional test, but just because they may be legal under the Constitution does not mean that they are good or desirable. They are bad and undesirable. Red Flag Laws are not Constitutional at all and more easily demonstrated so than Universal Background Checks.
Universal Background Checks are nothing more than de-facto gun registration.
The only gun control that'd satisfy them is to take them all.
............. That's the end goal. Except they can't take such drastic measures... yet. Have to chip away at it for decades a little at a time. Make it so expensive, and/or hard, and demonized that gun owners, ( AKA dangerous extremist nut cases), become a small minority and then they can be dealt with much more easily. All in the name of being common sense, reasonable, and necessary for public safety.
I am not defending gun registration in any way. I just want to point out that in the computer age, if they ever want to go after everyone's guns it really wont be that hard. Carry permits will lead them right to your door. Bought a hunting license from the state? Looking at our bank and credit card statements to see if we purchased from suspicious vendors(basspro/cabela's). Looking through the customer purchases of vendor like midway and such. Tracking down posters on forums like this. No registration will slow them down some but they will eventually show up at everyone's door if they get their way.
Why do you think they want to stop any sales of guns without a background check. They dont care about safety. Its so there is a record of the purchase. Using the background check thing as a way of determining if you have a firearm only works if there is a record made if you dispose of it. So they want to close any transfer that doesnt make a record. So you cant say , well I sold that.
You are exactly right and I've been saying the same thing on here for many years. Some on here are for Universal Background Checks and others are for Red Flag Laws. Both are extremely bad. Universal Background Checks may or may not pass a Constitutional test, but just because they may be legal under the Constitution does not mean that they are good or desirable. They are bad and undesirable. Red Flag Laws are not Constitutional at all and more easily demonstrated so than Universal Background Checks.
Universal Background Checks are nothing more than de-facto gun registration.
Every fuggin gun law on the books is unconstitutional and I don't give a damn what the supreme court/govt. has to say about it. I can read for myself what the second amendment says and I've read the Federalist and anti Federalist papers and understand exactly what the founders intended the 2nd to mean. "Shall not be infringed" is really pretty simple and easy to understand and any law regulating or restricting firearms in any way is undeniably an infiringement.
We are the militia the Constitution talks about. We are the last line of defense should the world fall into war and we can no longer count on the military to defend us. After all, what are going to be the primary targets of a hostile force ?? The Pentagon and large military bases across America. When they have been neutralized who is left ?? Us, that's who. Just ask the Kurds or the Venezuelans what happens when you surrender your arms or you have a small weak and ineffective government that is supposed to protect you. Things are getting ugly.
That is why some states already record make, model, and serial number with your name on each background check.
Are there states that don't record serial, make and model?
Just asking
Been that way in my super red state of hillbilly utopia since I bought my first rifle in the 1980s.
Idaho uses FBI "Instant Check" Your name, SS # optional, Rifle? Shotgun? or Handgun? That is all the FBI asks for.
The 4473 is a different matter. It records identifying firearms data, but it is not automatically uploaded to federal or state data base. Although, I would not place any bets with Walmart's electronic 4473.
Universal Background Checks may or may not pass a Constitutional test, but just because they may be legal under the Constitution does not mean that they are good or desirable.
Would a background check requirement for the purchase of a printing press be "constitutionally legal?"
Anybody who thinks Universal Background Checks, Constitutional or not, are not close to Apocalyptic for gun owners is a fool. I have said repeatedly that these are nothing more than de-facto gun registration and anybody with anything close to a room temp IQ knows what that means. Make sure your Senators know you will never support them again if they vote for this. Same with Red Flag Laws. Honestly, I don't know which are worse.
Just underscoring the phrase "may be legal under the Constitution" to stimulate further thought. Obviously not necessary---I think you got your ducks in a row.
Universal Background Checks may or may not pass a Constitutional test, but just because they may be legal under the Constitution does not mean that they are good or desirable.
Would a background check requirement for the purchase of a printing press be "constitutionally legal?"
I'm sure it would be. The courts can twist about anything they want into being constitutional and the public believes it so long as the courts say it's so.
We are the militia the Constitution talks about. We are the last line of defense should the world fall into war and we can no longer count on the military to defend us. After all, what are going to be the primary targets of a hostile force ?? The Pentagon and large military bases across America. When they have been neutralized who is left ?? Us, that's who. Just ask the Kurds or the Venezuelans what happens when you surrender your arms or you have a small weak and ineffective government that is supposed to protect you. Things are getting ugly.
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Politicians and their supporters, not to mention their bosses, go on and on about saving lives, the children, etc. Gun control is only about people control and again, anybody who thinks differently is ignoring or oblivious to the facts and history. The people ultimately behind gun control inclusive of the politicians could not give a flying frigg about whether you or your family lives or dies. They just want to make things safer for those who attempt to control the world.
8 steps to topple a nation and create a socialist state
1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
Why do you think they want to stop any sales of guns without a background check. They dont care about safety. Its so there is a record of the purchase. Using the background check thing as a way of determining if you have a firearm only works if there is a record made if you dispose of it. So they want to close any transfer that doesnt make a record. So you cant say , well I sold that.
LE has been able to confiscate stuff legally with no due process for so long now, say goodbye to anything else in your gunsafe. $10 grand in cash for a rainy day or if the banks are closed or offline-that's gone too. You probably are a drug dealer if you've got that much cash around. Grandpa's Morgan Dollar set? That's probably illicit wealth from your Oxy sales. It's gone too. But hey, you can pay a lawyer as much as it was worth to get it back-but the rarest examples will be gone-probably dropped out accidentally and the rest will be fugged from everybody checking them out in the squad room.
All those reloading supplies, your equipment, etc. Gone. All your ammo, same thing. With the powder, you probably violated some law your state passed in 2007 or so without you even knowing it. Pay your lawyer some more to get you off with probation, but you still kiss all your guns goodbye because even though you paid him to pay off the Shrink to clear you of the mental illness Red Flag your ex-wife's mom put on you, you're now a convicted felon. Oops! They found that Bump Stock you legitimately forgot you even had, stacked in behind some primers and bullets. More lawyer fees and this time no mercy from the Judge. Prolly two years with time off for good behavior. Of course, now you've got Krohn's disease and have to wear a diaper since you got bu-fued by Jammal that whole time and you've got brain damage from him knocking you upside the head for not sucking his cock like his white ho used to.