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Posted By: watch4bear Ohio - 04/05/19
Ohio could decide to hand its votes in presidential elections over to the Democratic Party if a proposed ballot measure passes in November. If approved, the proposed constitutional amendment would award Ohio's electoral votes to the candidate who wins the national popular vote. The language of the ballot measure would enshrine the following in the state's constitution.


It is the expressed will of the People that every vote for President be valued equally and that the candidate who wins the most votes nationally becomes President. Therefore, the General Assembly shall within sixty days of the adoption of this amendment take all necessary legislative action so that the winner of the national popular vote is elected President.

In other words, Ohio would let states like California and New York essentially have veto power over the will of the state's voters in presidential elections — diluting the influence of rural and conservative voters in favor of the coastal elites in populous states that vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. Supporters, of course, would never frame it that way, but that is in essence what would happen if the national popular vote were used to decide how Ohio's electoral votes are allocated. It's a sneaky way to subvert the Electoral College without the messy work of amending the U.S. Constitution.


https://pjmedia.com/trending/ohio-c...al-votes-over-to-california-and-new-york
Posted By: Tyrone Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
Dumbest. Proposal. Ever.
Posted By: hanco Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
That is so stupid!
Posted By: chlinstructor Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
Originally Posted by hanco
That is so stupid!


It’s OHIO 😜
Posted By: chlinstructor Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
Originally Posted by hanco
That is so stupid!


It’s OHIO 😜
Posted By: mudhen Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
New Mexico's new governor signed a bill that does just that into law earlier this week. Challenges to the law addressed to the Secretary of State have so far been rebuffed. Probably going to take a lawsuit, hopefully in federal court...
Posted By: watch4bear Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
Colorado folded also
Posted By: IMR4350 Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
Colorado just did the same thing.
Posted By: watch4bear Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
We will take America without firing a shot. We do not have to invade the U.S. We will destroy you from within "

" Nikita Khrushchev
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by hanco
That is so stupid!


It’s OHIO 😜



lol How far away from getting in the senate was Beto?

If I were from TX, I'd refrain from blanket derogatory remarks in regards to other states.
Posted By: Gus Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
lot's of dirty gaming going on now. expect it to get worse and worser still.
Posted By: watch4bear Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
Originally Posted by Gus
lot's of dirty gaming going on now. expect it to get worse and worser still.



America will only have one party, the hammer and sickle
Posted By: mtnsnake Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
The democrat slime in colorado are ruining the whole state. Democrat majority thanks to illegal voters. We do not elect the president, the votes go to whom ever has the most popular vote.
Posted By: lostleader Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
Doesn't something this suicidal require a constitutional ammendment?
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
So what are they going to do when Repubs win the popular vote anyway?
Posted By: Gus Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
technically speaking, some such a system might could even contribute and ratify a repub win.

those states that choose this route are playing with fire and risk.

what is their intent overall?
Posted By: mtnsnake Re: Ohio - 04/05/19
I see the democrats crying and winning when the votes go to a republican. They counting on illegals and dead people voting to stop that from happening.
Posted By: chlinstructor Re: Ohio - 04/06/19
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by hanco
That is so stupid!


It’s OHIO 😜



lol How far away from getting in the senate was Beto?

If I were from TX, I'd refrain from blanket derogatory remarks in regards to other states.


Soro’s backed Beto raised $70 Million. Cruz only raised $33 Million. Commie Libertard Fake Meskin Perv STILL couldn’t win in TX. 😜
Posted By: kellory Re: Ohio - 04/06/19
"....An elector may vote for whomever he or she wishes for each office provided that at least one of their votes (president or vice president) is for a person who is not a resident of the same state as themselves.[68] But "faithless electors" are those who either cast electoral votes for someone other than the candidate of the party that they pledged to vote for or who abstain. Twenty-nine states plus the District of Columbia have passed laws to punish faithless electors, although none have ever been enforced. Many constitutional scholars claim that state restrictions would be struck down if challenged based on Article II and the Twelfth Amendment.[69] In 1952, the constitutionality of state pledge laws was brought before the Supreme Court in Ray v. Blair, 343 U.S. 214 (1952)....."

"....Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 of the Constitution provided the original plan by which the electors voted for president. Under the original plan, each elector cast two votes for president; electors did not vote for vice president. Whoever received a majority of votes from the electors would become president, with the person receiving the second most votes becoming vice president.

The original plan of the Electoral College was based upon several assumptions and anticipations of the Framers of the Constitution:[27]

Choice of the president should reflect the “sense of the people” at a particular time, not the dictates of a cabal in a “pre-established body” such as Congress or the State legislatures, and independent of the influence of “foreign powers”.[28]
The choice would be made decisively with a “full and fair expression of the public will” but also maintaining “as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder”.[29]
Individual electors would be elected by citizens on a district-by-district basis. Voting for president would include the widest electorate allowed in each state.[30]
Each presidential elector would exercise independent judgment when voting, deliberating with the most complete information available in a system that over time, tended to bring about a good administration of the laws passed by Congress.[28]
Candidates would not pair together on the same ticket with assumed placements toward each office of president and vice president.
The system as designed would rarely produce a winner, thus sending the presidential election to the House of Representatives.
According to the text of Article II, however, each state government was free to have its own plan for selecting its electors, and the Constitution does not explicitly require states to popularly elect their electors. Several methods for selecting electors are described below....."

".....When James Madison and Hamilton, two of the most important architects of the Electoral College, saw this strategy being taken by some states, they protested strongly. Madison and Hamilton both made it clear this approach violated the spirit of the Constitution. According to Hamilton, the selection of the president should be "made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station [of president]."[31] According to Hamilton, the electors were to analyze the list of potential presidents and select the best one. He also used the term "deliberate". Hamilton considered a pre-pledged elector to violate the spirit of Article II of the Constitution insofar as such electors could make no "analysis" or "deliberate" concerning the candidates. Madison agreed entirely, saying that when the Constitution was written, all of its authors assumed individual electors would be elected in their districts and it was inconceivable a "general ticket" of electors dictated by a state would supplant the concept. Madison wrote to George Hay:
The district mode was mostly, if not exclusively in view when the Constitution was framed and adopted; & was exchanged for the general ticket [many years later].[35]

The Founding Fathers assumed that electors would be elected by the citizens of their district and that elector was to be free to analyze and deliberate regarding who is best suited to be president.

"......Madison and Hamilton were so upset by what they saw as a distortion of the original intent that they advocated a constitutional amendment to prevent anything other than the district plan: "the election of Presidential Electors by districts, is an amendment very proper to be brought forward," Madison told George Hay in 1823.[35] Hamilton went further. He actually drafted an amendment to the Constitution mandating the district plan for selecting electors.[36]..."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College

If for any reason, it were to pass into Law, it would be immediately challenged and struck down. It would violate the intent of the Constitution itself, and would not allow for the REQUIRED deliberation, designed to allow men of intellect to weight the pros and cons of the choices. An Elector, CAN, vote in almost any manner he so chooses, and it was designed that way.
A rubber stamp allotment of elector votes, would be, in itself, faithless.
Posted By: Theo Gallus Re: Ohio - 04/06/19
Originally Posted by lostleader
Doesn't something this suicidal require a constitutional ammendment?

Ohio has been a great place for out-of-state money to push these ballot issues and amend the state constitution to allow crap the legislature would never pass.

That's how we got casinos, racinos, and medical pot. If it fails once, they just spend more money and try it again. Dip$hits in Columbus, Cleveland, etc. will vote for anything.
Posted By: IndyCA35 Re: Ohio - 04/06/19
I live here.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Unfortunately many voters are stupid. They have no concept of checks and balances and why the electoral system was set up in the first place. They think such proposals are "fair."

Hopefully competent forces will marshall against this amendment. After all, Trump won Ohio by 8% in 2016.
Posted By: CashisKing Re: Ohio - 04/06/19
It really is only a matter of days until the bough breaks on the tree of Liberty...

Not sure if it's 20 days... 200 days... 2,000 days

Pretty sure it isn't 20,000 days

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America has weathered many storms in her history, but I see a different generation coming now... Snowflakes, #ME or whatever they are...

"... and down will come Baby, Cradle and all."
Posted By: kellory Re: Ohio - 04/06/19
Originally Posted by Theo Gallus
Originally Posted by lostleader
Doesn't something this suicidal require a constitutional ammendment?

Ohio has been a great place for out-of-state money to push these ballot issues and amend the state constitution to allow crap the legislature would never pass.

That's how we got casinos, racinos, and medical pot. If it fails once, they just spend more money and try it again. Dip$hits in Columbus, Cleveland, etc. will vote for anything.

Actually, not. Ohio is a test market for many products and businesses. If it will work here, it has the potential to work elsewhere.
We are not the simpletons you seem to expect, in fact, the "hunters against hunger" type programs started here, then spread countrywide. I used to be in telemarketing (it was a terrible job), and I've seen alot of the data that supports Ohio as a test market.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: Ohio - 04/06/19
Originally Posted by mudhen
New Mexico's new governor signed a bill that does just that into law earlier this week. Challenges to the law addressed to the Secretary of State have so far been rebuffed. Probably going to take a lawsuit, hopefully in federal court...

It boils down to voter disenfranchisement.

Gus nailed it - this is going to be hilarious when a Republican wins the popular vote.
Posted By: Theo Gallus Re: Ohio - 04/06/19
Originally Posted by kellory
We are not the simpletons you seem to expect.

I have lived in Central Ohio for my entire life - 60 years. And most people in Ohio, like everywhere else, are idiots.

George Carlin said “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
Posted By: kellory Re: Ohio - 04/06/19
Originally Posted by Theo Gallus
Originally Posted by kellory
We are not the simpletons you seem to expect.

I have lived in Central Ohio for my entire life - 60 years. And most people in Ohio, like everywhere else, are idiots.

George Carlin said “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

I've been here for more than 30 years, and I've seen worse. wink I think we are ahead of the curve.
Posted By: las Re: Ohio - 04/06/19
curve to what? smile
Posted By: kellory Re: Ohio - 04/06/19
Originally Posted by las
curve to what? smile

Right before the train tunnel....hey, what's that light? wink
Posted By: sportingspecialist Re: Ohio - 04/06/19
ttt
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