They want to provoke some kind of confrontation. Looks like they think that will further separate the Europeans from the US and they will get sanctions relief.
War with Iran is becoming inevitable. I’m against this war but it seems the Mullahs ruling Iran intend to go out in a blaze of glory and take the Iranian people with them. They’re part of a religious order that is waiting on the end of the world and the return of the 12th Imam. They seem to believe that if they pull the trigger they’ll all be going to heaven and breaking in 50 virgins or something.
Carter for allowing the Mullahs to ascend to power. Bush for invading Iraq when Saddam was fighting the Iranians for 8 years. Obonghole for returning money to them and agreeing to a bullchitt Treaty.
Gee, sounds so familiar ... directing vessels into an area where they are likely to provoke a response from a nation you're hoping to trigger a war with. Where and when has that happened before??
Gee, sounds so familiar ... directing vessels into an area where they are likely to provoke a response from a nation you're hoping to trigger a war with. Where has that happened before??
you stupid bastard. That has a been a world shipping lane forever
I’m afraid jolly old England isn’t what it used to be. Their navy is really petty small. Remember the Fauklin islands. I don’t think they have a carrier ready for sea. Only a handful of warships. Hasbeen
I’m afraid jolly old England isn’t what it used to be. Their navy is really petty small. Remember the Fauklin islands. I don’t think they have a carrier ready for sea. Only a handful of warships. Hasbeen
the descendents of the english kings are gonna have to wakeup, and stop spending all their attention on the royals.
the royals are only good for eating, spending, and consuming.
the english workers are tired of paying too much tax?
What good is a seized tanker? What do you do with it?
Tanker gets seized. Lloyds of London and other maritime insurance brokers announce they are (1) raising rates dramatically for ships transiting the Straits of Hormuz or (2) not offering it at all. Tanker owners determine that they either (1) can't afford the higher rates or (2) can't afford to lose a ship with no compensation, so they refuse to go there. The oil stays in the ME and countries are starved of fuel and prices skyrocket. That's why countries have navies...it is only superficially about fighting wars; it's really about ensuring freedom of the seas. That's why the British used to have the largest navy in the world when they had the empire. Commerce that travels by sea supports the world. They had to protect, not just their possessions, but their merchant ships. People knew back then that if you fuqked with the British, they would come and get you. Captain Alfred Thayer Mahan wrote about it in 1890. It is called "The Influence Of Sea Power Upon History" and it's still the bible taught in naval academies around the world.
War with Iran is becoming inevitable. I’m against this war but it seems the Mullahs ruling Iran intend to go out in a blaze of glory and take the Iranian people with them. They’re part of a religious order that is waiting on the end of the world and the return of the 12th Imam. They seem to believe that if they pull the trigger they’ll all be going to heaven and breaking in 50 virgins or something.
Isn't that 12th Inmam supposed to enter the world by climbing out of some holy well? Well, just nuke that frigging well, end of that story
It’s pretty hard to try and assert that Trump is chomping at the bit to go to war when you consider the patience he’s displayed thus far and the statesmanship he’s utilized. In light of Iran’s recent provocations and multiple blatant acts of piracy it seems like they’re begging for a fight and I do believe they’ll get the response they desire. Hijacking foreign flagged (especially US, Britain, etc) vessels is a great way to gain international attention, just ask the dead skinnies that wound up as shark food. 😉
I don’t want another god damned war in another middle eastern third world chithole where one of ours ain’t worth a thousand of theirs so I hope that whatever we do is decisive, overwhelmingly barbaric to anyone that opposes us and we do it quickly. Kill the old hardliners and let the Iranian youth figure out how to govern their fellow rats.....or kill them all and use Iran as the world’s largest muslim detention center thereby freeing up Guantanamo for the deep state, corrupt politicians and other assorted internal enemies of our country.
I think Trump might handle things a little differently than you folks expect.
Taking them out might be cheaper in the long run than burying and rebuilding NYC.
Yep. Surely the cost of a couple of Nukes is much less than the cost of the Twin Towers & 3 Airliners. Not to mention 3000 American lives lost on 9,1,1 😡
It's time for the United States to change its ways - when we are driven to war WE CONQUER THAT COUNTRY IT'S OUR NOW lock/stock & barrel .
How nice would it be to fill africa/middle east with nice decent level headed citizens-- it would be nice to do the same here in the States .
We can't even agree if Texas is nice or a shiitehole and you want to force Americans to move to a real shiitehole?
Didn't say anything about force anybody to go - Texas is great lived there when I was fresh out of high school , beautiful women there compared to most places I've been .
I think Trump might handle things a little differently than you folks expect.
Taking them out might be cheaper in the long run than burying and rebuilding NYC.
Yep. Surely the cost of a couple of Nukes is much less than the cost of the Twin Towers & 3 Airliners. Not to mention 3000 American lives lost on 9,1,1 😡
Letting them spend Zeros 150 billion to put nukes on a few icbms they already have and having one hit NYC would make the Twin Towers deal look like childs play.
I don't recall hearing anything about the Royal Navy seizing a tanker carrying Iranian oil on the national news. But apparently they did back in early July.
Hannity is on TV right now ranting about Iran seizing a British tanker,..but he's not saying anything about the fact that it's in retaliation for the Royal Navy seizing that tanker carrying Iranian oil.
I don't recall hearing anything about the Royal Navy seizing a tanker carrying Iranian oil on the national news. But apparently they did back in early July.
Hannity is on TV right now ranting about Iran seizing a British tanker,..but he's not saying anything about the fact that it's in retaliation for the Royal Navy seizing that tanker carrying Iranian oil.
So you are for the Obama and Kerry approach? No sanctions necessary, and let em do whatever they want?
Liberals and liberalitarians, no difference at all
I don't recall hearing anything about the Royal Navy seizing a tanker carrying Iranian oil on the national news. But apparently they did back in early July.
Hannity is on TV right now ranting about Iran seizing a British tanker,..but he's not saying anything about the fact that it's in retaliation for the Royal Navy seizing that tanker carrying Iranian oil.
So you are for the Obama and Kerry approach? No sanctions necessary, and let em do whatever they want?
Liberals and liberalitarians, no difference at all
I think Iran and England can fight as long as they want to. But if the Royal Navy starts seizing tankers carrying Iranian oil,..they shouldn't whine when Iran does the same to them.
Just leave America out of it. Enough American money has been pissed away fighting Israel's wars.
I think Trump might handle things a little differently than you folks expect.
Taking them out might be cheaper in the long run than burying and rebuilding NYC.
Yep. Surely the cost of a couple of Nukes is much less than the cost of the Twin Towers & 3 Airliners. Not to mention 3000 American lives lost on 9,1,1 😡
Letting them spend Zeros 150 billion to put nukes on a few icbms they already have and having one hit NYC would make the Twin Towers deal look like childs play.
Yep. The Muslim Halfican Obama ought to face Treason charges for aiding and abetting the Enemy over that schitt 😡
Gone are the days when they had plenty of BALLS.....Lady Thatcher is turning over in her grave!!
You’re correct Sir, at least in my opinion, Lady Thatcher and Winston Churchill are both turning over in their graves. Modern day Britain will privately plead for help while publicly excoriating us for helping them.
This. The Tribe that rules us has decided they want the US (its personal golem) to take down Iran for reasons having nothing whatever to do with what's good for America or Americans. This is what we are witnessing unfolding, all the operators (MSM, British, Israeli, and US intelligence agencies and military establishments, etc.) moving in perfect synchronicity like a ballet troop performing La Bayadère.
I don't recall hearing anything about the Royal Navy seizing a tanker carrying Iranian oil on the national news. But apparently they did back in early July.
Hannity is on TV right now ranting about Iran seizing a British tanker,..but he's not saying anything about the fact that it's in retaliation for the Royal Navy seizing that tanker carrying Iranian oil.
That's the way opinion is shaped as desired by the controlled MSM. Play up the hostage crisis, but no one knows anything about Operation Ajax.
I don't recall hearing anything about the Royal Navy seizing a tanker carrying Iranian oil on the national news. But apparently they did back in early July.
Hannity is on TV right now ranting about Iran seizing a British tanker,..but he's not saying anything about the fact that it's in retaliation for the Royal Navy seizing that tanker carrying Iranian oil.
That's the way opinion is shaped as desired by the controlled MSM. Play up the hostage crisis, but no one knows anything about Operation Ajax.
Don’t worry ladies, you two won’t be asked to serve. Someone else will deal with little problems such as these.
This. The Tribe that rules us has decided they want the US (its personal golem) to take down Iran for reasons having nothing whatever to do with what's good for America or Americans. This is what we are witnessing unfolding, all the operators (MSM, British, Israeli, and US intelligence agencies and military establishments, etc.) moving in perfect synchronicity like a ballet troop performing La Bayadère.
One thing for sure we got for it was an Iran that didn't have to worry about Iraq any more.
The soviet union has backed Iran since Jimmy Carter; they would have whooped Iraq if not for the US. The democrats and the soviets are on the same side.
This. The Tribe that rules us has decided they want the US (its personal golem) to take down Iran for reasons having nothing whatever to do with what's good for America or Americans. This is what we are witnessing unfolding, all the operators (MSM, British, Israeli, and US intelligence agencies and military establishments, etc.) moving in perfect synchronicity like a ballet troop performing La Bayadère.
John Kerry would be so proud of you.
TRH is feeling the heat from crisco in the battle for KOTY. The "tribe" ,to which they constantly refer, is the voices in their pointy little heads.
Old American men slobbering up pablum and encouraging the government to send its young people to war in the Middle East,....for almost two consecutive decades.
No wonder the military can't reach its enlistment quotas these days.
But they're working on it. 16 year olds will soon be allowed to enlist.
Let Israel and Saudi Arabia fight their own wars. We've sold them plenty of expensive toys over the years; let them use them.
And send them billions of dollars of US tax payer, hard earned, money every year. Many Americans have to tighten their belts because our government sends a big chunk of their pay check to Israel. And that's not even counting the billions we spend every year fighting the wars they have us fight for them, via the control they possess over our politicians.
I remember during Desert Storm, Carl Levin, US Senator from Michigan and member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, was extremely dovish until a few Scuds hit Israel. Then it was "go get em".
Neo-isolationist: Someone who doesn't think it helpful for America to scour the Middle East seeking wars we could possibly trigger under the direction, and for the benefit, of Israel.
Let Israel and Saudi Arabia fight their own wars. We've sold them plenty of expensive toys over the years; let them use them.
And send them billions of dollars of US tax payer, hard earned, money every year. Many Americans have to tighten their belts because our government sends a big chunk of their pay check to Israel. And that's not even counting the billions we spend every year fighting the wars they have us fight for them, via the control they possess over our politicians.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by watch4bear
Your more of Nancy Pelosi type. Trump is just too dominating for your gentle self
How much did we spend in Iraq, and what did we get for it? One thing for sure we got for it was an Iran that didn't have to worry about Iraq any more.
You're far from done. Countries like Pakistan and Turkey need to be looked at in the future. The Shadow Warriors are willing to protect their interests to the last American. There are plenty of "Keyboard Generals" on this board who will have no problems going along with that plan.
Neo-isolationist: Someone who doesn't think it helpful for America to scour the Middle East seeking wars we could possibly trigger under the direction, and for the benefit, of Israel.
TRH won't reads this, but he is Stupid for blaming so-called Neo-conservatives for seeking wars when strength is needed to prevent wars from getting bigger.
Neo-isolationist: Someone who doesn't think it helpful for America to scour the Middle East seeking wars we could possibly trigger under the direction, and for the benefit, of Israel.
TRH won't reads this, but he is Stupid for blaming so-called Neo-conservatives for seeking wars when strength is needed to prevent wars from getting bigger.
There are wars that are in the national interest and wars that we have no business getting involved in.
Neo-isolationist: Someone who doesn't think it helpful for America to scour the Middle East seeking wars we could possibly trigger under the direction, and for the benefit, of Israel.
TRH won't reads this, but he is Stupid for blaming so-called Neo-conservatives for seeking wars when strength is needed to prevent wars from getting bigger.
There are wars that are in the national interest and wars that we have no business getting involved in.
TRH has never found a war we need to get involved in. Even WWII.
Neo-isolationist: Someone who doesn't think it helpful for America to scour the Middle East seeking wars we could possibly trigger under the direction, and for the benefit, of Israel.
TRH won't reads this, but he is Stupid for blaming so-called Neo-conservatives for seeking wars when strength is needed to prevent wars from getting bigger.
There are wars that are in the national interest and wars that we have no business getting involved in.
TRH has never found a war we need to get involved in. Even WWII.
,...and people like you have never found a war America didn't belong in.
Neo-isolationist: Someone who doesn't think it helpful for America to scour the Middle East seeking wars we could possibly trigger under the direction, and for the benefit, of Israel.
TRH won't reads this, but he is Stupid for blaming so-called Neo-conservatives for seeking wars when strength is needed to prevent wars from getting bigger.
There are wars that are in the national interest and wars that we have no business getting involved in.
TRH has never found a war we need to get involved in. Even WWII.
,...and people like you have never found a war America didn't belong in.
The only wars we need to fight are wars where they want to destroy US.
At least Lucky Lindy didn’t have a history of aggressors to ponder although he should have been able to look at what Germany and Japan were in the process of doing.
Neo-isolationist: Someone who doesn't think it helpful for America to scour the Middle East seeking wars we could possibly trigger under the direction, and for the benefit, of Israel.
TRH won't reads this, but he is Stupid for blaming so-called Neo-conservatives for seeking wars when strength is needed to prevent wars from getting bigger.
There are wars that are in the national interest and wars that we have no business getting involved in.
TRH has never found a war we need to get involved in. Even WWII.
,...and people like you have never found a war America didn't belong in.
Really, Bowsie?? How many times have I said that we should consider ourselves at war with Mexico based on an ongoing invasion of our southern border? But that would actually be in our national interest, so it will never happen.
Old American men slobbering up pablum and encouraging the government to send its young people to war in the Middle East,....for almost two consecutive decades.
No wonder the military can't reach its enlistment quotas these days.
But they're working on it. 16 year olds will soon be allowed to enlist.
Old American men slobbering up pablum and encouraging the government to send its young people to war in the Middle East,....for almost two consecutive decades.
No wonder the military can't reach its enlistment quotas these days.
But they're working on it. 16 year olds will soon be allowed to enlist.
Really, Bowsie?? How many times have I said that we should consider ourselves at war with Mexico based on an ongoing invasion of our southern border? But that would actually be in our national interest, so it will never happen.
What cracks me up is the war cries when a muzzie cuts someones head off but not a single word when the cartels line them up on a fence row.
,..ain't no wonder that everybody under age 50 wants to euthanize the whole fuggin' boomer generation. They see people like Stan V as being representative of it.
20-30% of the world's oil market goes through that Strait.
If, for whatever reason, there be a shooting war occur in the Strait and ships no longer safely passing through the Strait or up to Iran setting of a nuclear weapon in the middle of it as a last gasp middle finger to the world as it goes down rendering the Strait no longer safe to traverse that oil through that Strait could make everyone's life across the globe sporty.
Not saying we should bend over and let Iran take control of the Strait nor saying we should come in with guns ablaze, but what I am saying is this situation is complex and matters need to be thought through. The implications are tremendous. That's all.
[quote=The_Real_Hawkeye]Neo-isolationist: Someone who doesn't think it helpful for America to scour the Middle East seeking wars we could possibly trigger under the direction, and for the benefit, of Israel.
TRH won't reads this, but he is Stupid for blaming so-called Neo-conservatives for seeking wars when strength is needed to prevent wars from getting bigger.
There are wars that are in the national interest and wars that we have no business getting involved in.
TRH has never found a war we need to get involved in. Even WWII.
Really, Bowsie?? How many times have I said that we should consider ourselves at war with Mexico based on an ongoing invasion of our southern border? But that would actually be in our national interest, so it will never happen.
No Mexican army has invaded our border. That would be a invasion and a real war.
The illegal invasion is not in our national interest and Trump is doing something about that. Mexico is learning that it is not in their national interest either. Numbers are finally beginning to move down. Trump is even getting a small start on the Wall.
I heard that the British war ship that prevented the first Iranian hijacking attempt of a tanker was an hour away from the latest hijacking.
UK needs to get more of their Navy involved if they want to keep Iran from hijacking their ships.
These things can be prevented as the UK has demonstrated. Just gotta be where the action is, not an hour away.
How about a couple more war ships in the area, like a ship carrying choppers or Harriers?. An hour away by boat would be just a few minutes away by air.
I would assume they have more than one war ship...
Say our government took a leadership role in developing clean energy as it did for nukes or space travel, and made the tech affordable to the world. How long would these middle eastern countries have any ability to be a nuisance?
The last time the west made them irrelevant and was freed having to battle them it was the Industrial Revolution.
Neo-isolationist - Somebody who sees no virtue in opposing evil unless he gets something material out of it.
I do believe that's how Hitler got ownership of Europe.
No, one who knows that if you replace one "evil" in the Middle East, you're liable to get a worse evil.
Correct, how is all the overthrows of secular dictators working out??
Some countries and cultures need dictators to keep order. It's not right for all, and democracy isn't the answer for all or even many. The neocons see these dictators as "morality" targets in their propaganda blitzes to rally public support for spending our national treasure and spilling our national treasure on the battlefields to further their interests.
Then they can suffer the results of their “convenience”. If a USA tanker wants to register out of the country to screw the US out of fees tough sh*t for them. The Brits have a military, so does UAE. We need to keep our nose out of it until one of our tankers waving our flag is hit. Notice the fool is not stupid enough to mess with a Russian tanker. Putin would rip them a new one if they did.
Then they can suffer the results of their “convenience”. The Brits have a military, so does UAE. We need to keep our nose out of it until one of our tankers are hit. Notice the fool is not stupid enough to mess with a Russian tanker. Putin would rip them a new one if they did.
Who do you think supplies them with arms? Yup...Putin.
I can easily see where defense and support of American merchant vessels is in our direct national interest. BUT, we don't need to jump into any more middle eastern conflicts if they can be avoided and fought other ways than military action. If that's not possible, then use overwhelming force and end things fast.
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