What will happen when this (POS) “law” reaches the Supreme Court ? No due process ? What recourse do the victims (targeted gun owners) have ? Who makes the decision to confiscate ? What if the police hurt someone or damage property in the process of confiscation ? What happens when an angry ex spouse or neighbor “Red Flags” someone out of spite ? What happens if they take someone’s self defense firearm, and then he/she get attacked ? Too, too many questions that cannot be answered. I predict this law will not survive the courts.
What if you no longer can get to the higher court? Have you considered that if they can kill you because you have a gun they don't want you to have, they can kill you because you hold a belief they don't what you to have. Due process is gone, so you want the court to give it back??? Is that likely? And lets just say the court agrees with you, but the cops don't. Do you think the cops, when they are given carte blanche to harm and kill, are going to give back any of that power?
People need to wake up and realize this is an open and direct act of war. .
We got it stuffed down our throats in IL by our demo trimvirate of house, Senate and gov. I think soon we will be the most gun unfriendly, regulated state of all.
What will happen when this (POS) “law” reaches the Supreme Court ? No due process ? What recourse do the victims (targeted gun owners) have ? Who makes the decision to confiscate ? What if the police hurt someone or damage property in the process of confiscation ? What happens when an angry ex spouse or neighbor “Red Flags” someone out of spite ? What happens if they take someone’s self defense firearm, and then he/she get attacked ? Too, too many questions that cannot be answered. I predict this law will not survive the courts.
My mind is a bit twisted this morning. It'd be hilarious if the NRA helped craft red flag legislation then turned around and had it challenged in court.
What will happen when this (POS) “law” reaches the Supreme Court ? No due process ? What recourse do the victims (targeted gun owners) have ? Who makes the decision to confiscate ? What if the police hurt someone or damage property in the process of confiscation ? What happens when an angry ex spouse or neighbor “Red Flags” someone out of spite ? What happens if they take someone’s self defense firearm, and then he/she get attacked ? Too, too many questions that cannot be answered. I predict this law will not survive the courts.
One hopes, but we were certain Obamacare would go down in flames in the SCOTUS, too.
IF Red Flag law ever happens and that's a big if, it may never make it to the Supreme Court. Remember who is chief justice thanks to GWB. And if he schedules it who is to say that it will be rejected by a majority? Kavanaugh has been more liberal than conservative in his judgements since they handed his head to him in the conformation hearing.
Roberts has almost never voted the constitution instead favoring the liberal view. The ultra liberals on the court will never abandon their ideology but the so called conservatives pride themselves on their occasional liberal leanings. About the only person I trust on the court is Justice Thomas.
Just who do you support? Other than Wayne La? Think the witch would have been better? Cruz? 7mm
Oddly, the Witch might actually have been better on guns, because she doesn't pretend to be our friend, and clearly wants to take them. This would result in a filling up of the House and Senate with stalwart defenders of the RTKABA to stop her every effort in that regard. Gun rights people tend to fall asleep when there's a Republican in the White House. When there's a Democrat, they tend to burn up the phone circuits in Congress any time there's even a hint of anti-gun legislation being considered.
Just who do you support? Other than Wayne La? Think the witch would have been better? Cruz? 7mm
Oddly, the Witch might actually have been better on guns, because she doesn't pretend to be our friend, and clearly wants to take them. This would result in a filling up of the House and Senate with stalwart defenders of the RTKABA to stop her every effort in that regard. Gun rights people tend to fall asleep when there's a Republican in the White House. When there's a Democrat, they tend to burn up the phone circuits in Congress any time there's even a hint of anti-gun legislation being considered.
If McClown or Mittens had been President when Sandy Hook happened there's no telling what would have went down.
What if you no longer can get to the higher court? Have you considered that if they can kill you because you have a gun they don't want you to have, they can kill you because you hold a belief they don't what you to have. Due process is gone, so you want the court to give it back??? Is that likely? And lets just say the court agrees with you, but the cops don't. Do you think the cops, when they are given carte blanche to harm and kill, are going to give back any of that power?
People need to wake up and realize this is an open and direct act of war. .
16 states already have red flag laws. Red flag laws are wrong on so many levels. We would be at the mercy of wicked neighbors in-laws and capricious judges.
Who will be a traitor knave? Who will fill a coward's grave? Who's so base as be a slave? – Let him turn, and flee. Cò 'na shloightear, feallta, fuar? Cò 'na ghealtar dh'iarradh uaigh? Cò 'na thràill fo shail luchd-fuath? Clis bi bhuam fhir-chlith. 'Wha, for Scotland's king and law, Freedom's sword will strongly draw, Freeman stand, or Freeman fa, Let him on wi me. 'Who for Scotland's King and Law Freedom's sword will strongly draw, Freeman stand or freeman fall, Let him follow me.
What will happen when this (POS) “law” reaches the Supreme Court ? No due process ? What recourse do the victims (targeted gun owners) have ? Who makes the decision to confiscate ? What if the police hurt someone or damage property in the process of confiscation ? What happens when an angry ex spouse or neighbor “Red Flags” someone out of spite ? What happens if they take someone’s self defense firearm, and then he/she get attacked ? Too, too many questions that cannot be answered. I predict this law will not survive the courts.
One hopes, but we were certain Obamacare would go down in flames in the SCOTUS, too.
A proven track record is before our eyes for years on end. No justice or even common sense amongst our oligarch judges.
16 states already have red flag laws. Red flag laws are wrong on so many levels. We would be at the mercy of wicked neighbors in-laws and capricious judges.
The latest murderous outrages in El Paso and Dayton didn't take long to produce a "blame on" torrent from the usual and even some unusual suspects. We had the usual suspects blaming President Trump for his "divisive" rhetoric and supposed adherence to "white supremacy." Not a sparrow falls but that President Trump doesn't get blamed. A deranged Aussie environmentalist, who hates Trump, goes off the rails and murders 51 people in a couple of mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, and it's Trump's fault. A lunatic environmentalist supporter of Senators Warren and Sanders goes nuts in Dayton, Ohio, kills nine people, and it's Trump's fault. A bizarre and cowardly (he wore ear protectors; not the sign of an intending kamikaze) environmentalist racist who hates Trump goes ape in El Paso, murders 21 people, and, of course, it's Trump's fault. As I write this, I hear the mayor of Dayton essentially blaming the killings in her city on Trump; she's the mayor, she runs the police in Dayton, she has the power to control the streets, but it's the President's fault that there are killings on those streets of Dayton. Right. OK. Gotcha.
I also hear some weird stuff from people who should know better.
Lots of talk from otherwise sane people about "red flags." Even the President's speechwriters had him support that stupid idea du jour. Oh, yes, we will design a process to "red flag" certain people for certain non-violent behavior, aka speech, and then use it in some as yet unspecified way to prevent them from exercising their second amendment rights. We see floating about various ideas and even pieces of proposed legislation to create some sort of list drawing data from somewhere or other to use to "intervene" in some way (dispatch of Sheriff's Deputies is my guess) to prevent guns from falling into the "wrong hands." Sure thing, buddy. Sing it out John Paul, George, and Ringo, "Back in the USSR, boys . . . "
I have written before about progressive infatuation with "gun control" lists and "mental health" (December 9, 2015). What do you think will happen with such a process? Whom do you think will control it? How long before conservatives, and others out of political favor get a "red flag"? Shall we have the same kind of people who run Google, YouTube, and Twitter control it? How about the sort who run progressive-controlled city councils? What possibly could go wrong? How long before we have the sort of fraud we see in the MeToo movement and the racial hate hoax plague spread to "gun control"? Due process, anybody? Who, by the way, are these "mental health experts" who will determine whether somebody deserves his second amendment rights? Should we have them for our other rights? Are these the same experts, for example, who for centuries told us that homosexuality is a "personality disorder" or the ones who now insist we must not only accept it but praise it, embrace it, promote it? Mental health, of course, is settled science of the highest and most reliable order . . . right up there with the Piltdown Man and man-made global cooling, warming, change, or whatever.
Oh, yes, folks, but lest you think otherwise, there is something out there worthy of a "red flag"--but it's not being discussed at all.
All over the West, not just in the USA, we have created in the past three or four decades a vile, toxic culture that leads to the sorts of murderous sprees we have seen, for example, in Norway, New Zealand, and, of course, the USA. Radicalization via Internet? Sure, but it goes much deeper than that. It goes deeper than porno and vile video games.
There is a pervasive rot spread by Hollywood, the universities, and the media, both new and legacy. It tells us we must welcome endless waves of dirt-poor aliens, who enter our country illegally, and ply them with free health care, voting rights, housing, and free schooling. We must sing the praises of single mothers; promote abortion up to the moment of birth and even beyond. Judeo-Christian values, institutions, and traditions are ripe for ridicule and destruction, and, of course, deservedly so! Western history, after all, is just an endless catalog of racism, imperialism, genocide, patriarchy, and assault on the very earth. Gaia weeps because of the white man!
Man. Men. Male. These are now foul words and concepts. There is an ongoing war, yes, war, against men and what it means to be male, in our decrepit universities, in the decaying industry known as Hollywood (notice that white men have virtually disappeared from TV commercials?) and in the media. Instead, for example, of celebrating the amazing accomplishment of American men landing on the moon, the WaPo harangues us with nonsense that the Soviet moon program was much more diverse and, of course, it sent the first woman into space and the first non-white into space. Don't you dare think, much less say, "Yes, but the object was to get to the moon first."
We see, as I have written before, young men alienated from their culture, told by their intellectual betters than they are all rapists and murderers and racists and just plain "TOXIC!" University orientation programs seek to deprogram the male out of young men students. Hollywood tells them they are murderers and clowns, that the future is female, and, besides, women can kick your ass, buddy! These men find the universities, the entertainment industry, the media, and the work environment hostile. Many retreat into delusional and dangerous corners of the Internet, and link up with others like them. They have no historical context for what is happening as the schools are garbage and no longer teach history, or Western philosophy, or the great accomplishments of the West; they pick up scattered and often insane ideas from weird web sites that promote dark conspiracy theories. Yes, they are radicalized by the Internet but the roots go deeper.
We are destroying Western Civilization and the result is bloody massacre.
The latest murderous outrages in El Paso and Dayton didn't take long to produce a "blame on" torrent from the usual and even some unusual suspects. We had the usual suspects blaming President Trump for his "divisive" rhetoric and supposed adherence to "white supremacy." Not a sparrow falls but that President Trump doesn't get blamed. A deranged Aussie environmentalist, who hates Trump, goes off the rails and murders 51 people in a couple of mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, and it's Trump's fault. A lunatic environmentalist supporter of Senators Warren and Sanders goes nuts in Dayton, Ohio, kills nine people, and it's Trump's fault. A bizarre and cowardly (he wore ear protectors; not the sign of an intending kamikaze) environmentalist racist who hates Trump goes ape in El Paso, murders 21 people, and, of course, it's Trump's fault. As I write this, I hear the mayor of Dayton essentially blaming the killings in her city on Trump; she's the mayor, she runs the police in Dayton, she has the power to control the streets, but it's the President's fault that there are killings on those streets of Dayton. Right. OK. Gotcha.
I also hear some weird stuff from people who should know better.
Lots of talk from otherwise sane people about "red flags." Even the President's speechwriters had him support that stupid idea du jour. Oh, yes, we will design a process to "red flag" certain people for certain non-violent behavior, aka speech, and then use it in some as yet unspecified way to prevent them from exercising their second amendment rights. We see floating about various ideas and even pieces of proposed legislation to create some sort of list drawing data from somewhere or other to use to "intervene" in some way (dispatch of Sheriff's Deputies is my guess) to prevent guns from falling into the "wrong hands." Sure thing, buddy. Sing it out John Paul, George, and Ringo, "Back in the USSR, boys . . . "
I have written before about progressive infatuation with "gun control" lists and "mental health" (December 9, 2015). What do you think will happen with such a process? Whom do you think will control it? How long before conservatives, and others out of political favor get a "red flag"? Shall we have the same kind of people who run Google, YouTube, and Twitter control it? How about the sort who run progressive-controlled city councils? What possibly could go wrong? How long before we have the sort of fraud we see in the MeToo movement and the racial hate hoax plague spread to "gun control"? Due process, anybody? Who, by the way, are these "mental health experts" who will determine whether somebody deserves his second amendment rights? Should we have them for our other rights? Are these the same experts, for example, who for centuries told us that homosexuality is a "personality disorder" or the ones who now insist we must not only accept it but praise it, embrace it, promote it? Mental health, of course, is settled science of the highest and most reliable order . . . right up there with the Piltdown Man and man-made global cooling, warming, change, or whatever.
Oh, yes, folks, but lest you think otherwise, there is something out there worthy of a "red flag"--but it's not being discussed at all.
All over the West, not just in the USA, we have created in the past three or four decades a vile, toxic culture that leads to the sorts of murderous sprees we have seen, for example, in Norway, New Zealand, and, of course, the USA. Radicalization via Internet? Sure, but it goes much deeper than that. It goes deeper than porno and vile video games.
There is a pervasive rot spread by Hollywood, the universities, and the media, both new and legacy. It tells us we must welcome endless waves of dirt-poor aliens, who enter our country illegally, and ply them with free health care, voting rights, housing, and free schooling. We must sing the praises of single mothers; promote abortion up to the moment of birth and even beyond. Judeo-Christian values, institutions, and traditions are ripe for ridicule and destruction, and, of course, deservedly so! Western history, after all, is just an endless catalog of racism, imperialism, genocide, patriarchy, and assault on the very earth. Gaia weeps because of the white man!
Man. Men. Male. These are now foul words and concepts. There is an ongoing war, yes, war, against men and what it means to be male, in our decrepit universities, in the decaying industry known as Hollywood (notice that white men have virtually disappeared from TV commercials?) and in the media. Instead, for example, of celebrating the amazing accomplishment of American men landing on the moon, the WaPo harangues us with nonsense that the Soviet moon program was much more diverse and, of course, it sent the first woman into space and the first non-white into space. Don't you dare think, much less say, "Yes, but the object was to get to the moon first."
We see, as I have written before, young men alienated from their culture, told by their intellectual betters than they are all rapists and murderers and racists and just plain "TOXIC!" University orientation programs seek to deprogram the male out of young men students. Hollywood tells them they are murderers and clowns, that the future is female, and, besides, women can kick your ass, buddy! These men find the universities, the entertainment industry, the media, and the work environment hostile. Many retreat into delusional and dangerous corners of the Internet, and link up with others like them. They have no historical context for what is happening as the schools are garbage and no longer teach history, or Western philosophy, or the great accomplishments of the West; they pick up scattered and often insane ideas from weird web sites that promote dark conspiracy theories. Yes, they are radicalized by the Internet but the roots go deeper.
We are destroying Western Civilization and the result is bloody massacre.
That's your "red flag." Posted by DiploMad
Combining Judaeo with Christian is oxymoronic. They are like oil and water.
I know I don't want someone like Peter Strok or Jim Comey deciding whether a conservative like me is eligible for my rights. I am going to write my representatives in a few minutes and remind them how fair our Federal law enforcement are about justice.
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