Sitting in camp fletching arrows, getting ready for antelope, deer, turkey on Friday. 4 fletch/offset proprietary designed... MERICA...

Kent

Why are you offsetting your fletching?

I tried it thinking of a drill bit and they fly fantastic, especially with the slick tricks.

Kent

Hmm...

Interesting.

giving me ideas about that method for some wood arrows I need to fletch. Have seen an article or so on the case for straight fletching.

Business idea...........................Trump 2020 red/white/blue vanes for you guys.

Geno

I have a slight right hectical on them, they spin with a broadhead. Broadhead have been crazy accurate out to 60, my eyes are getting cataracts so that's my max practice distance.

This fletching has worked on 3 bows so far.

Kent

Thanks Kent, I couldn't quite see the twist in the pics.

Still, I want to try the straight fletching. Kinda like trying a different powder or bullet combination.

But your "drill" bit method might induce some spin based on differential air speed over the fletching and vortices? Who knows. Maybe the coriolis force will influence it too. (haha)

Geno

I do think they spin more with less twist.

Kent

My nephew came in camp, last week we tuned his bow and I fletched 3 arrows for him, they shot great but his cable started to fray, he had another put on this week. Shot it at the pro shop until it stretched out then retuned. He picked up 6 more arrows, already fletched.

Just now he was shooting at 60 and the wind was pushing the arrows 4" right, the new arrows. I said try the 4 fletch, he did and the wind didn't push them... Exactly what I saw with mine.

A sample of 2, and our setups are tuned, so take it for what it is.

Kent

As a guy who just this last weekend watched his arrow sail just over a nice buck's back I'm paying attention.

First your bow and arrow must be in tune, most people say you tune the bow but it's really that the arrow must fly optimally, that means spine, if the spine of your arrow setup doesn't match your bow's energy, then you are under or over spined, no amount of bow tuning except poundage will help.

I bare shaft tune at 30 yards, set my rest until it flys straight, if it's a little out of spine you should get it straight vertical with a little high or low running nock keeping the rest square with the string/nock.

If you were out of tune your bow will be quite and more forgiving with vanes. Quick tune test.

Kent

How good are you at bow tuning?

My nephews bow was over spined a bit so i changed his tip from 100 to 125 grains and bingo, right in spine. Mine is correct with 100s.

The 4 fletch helps at extended range and seems to buck wind better.

Kent

Not good on the phone posting, auto correct is killing me.

Off to scout for the evening.

Kent

On another note before I head out... My menu containing all 4 food groups, yes cheezits have real cheese(dairy)... and my wife said I wouldn't eat healthy...

Kent

Very interesting Kent !

Good luck with your hunt.

I really was just posting a lighthearted post on the merica themed pattern, and the technical part a side issue.

It's been a busy hot summer working construction for this old man... just happy in the cooler country enjoying nature and a little solitude.

Kent

Have a great time pard....

Never messed with it much besides arrow spine, brace height, and nock point. Arrows seem to fly fairly well. I'm only shooting within 20 yards, traditional bow.

Did notice that arrows hit the target at an angle using my 45lb bow (same exact model as my 55lb) when using the arrows spined for the 55.

This season I'll work with what I've got and play with it next year. Figured I'd ask for hints on the bowhunting forum,

Don't want to hijack KRPs thread, so that's enough out of me.

Geno

Enjoy them groceries. Looks like you're on the Anti-Keto diet.

Geno

Blood red sun last evening, damn feral horses in camp again... taking a big chance eating behind my targets.

Kent

Hyjack all you want, this is an anti'worldgonnafallofitsownedgeeveryonedies thread.

Over spine is badder than under, back end tries to pass the front like a big trailer pulled by a small car down hill, it can't straighten out, hits sideways, no penetration.

Kent

Started out this summer with the 45 as I hadn't shot much for a year +. Injuries, no tags, moves, health issues, work around here and the bows just sat for a while. So I tried the 45 to strengthen up the back muscles some. I switched over to the 55 a few years back, when I drew an elk tag there in AZ, I just never got more arrows spined for the 45, as it wasn't getting much use anyway.

This year, not having shot for awhile, when I first started noticing the arrows hitting a bit cockeyed I wondered if it was the wind (usually blowing in the afternoon here), my form, or the bow. Then after a couple of weeks of just shooting for back exercise and not too concerned with groups I figured I'd give the 55 a try, see how my back handled it, after remembering the arrows were spined for 55-65lbs. Arrows flew much straighter, so I've just been practicing with that bow. So far, I'm really happy up to 15 yds and might (big might) risk a shot on a large body mulie at 20. Never considered myself much good beyond that anyway. I'm happy trying to get close anyway. Had to pass on a 28 yd shot at an antelope back in 2005 or so in Unit 15. Didn't bother me in the least.

I'll ask tuning questions after the fall seasons in the bowhunting forum. It'll give the folks a lot of time to criticize each other's methods over the winter.

Sent you a PM too.

Enjoy the cooler air.

Geno

This is how I explain spine...

Say you have a stick and it's cut at 5 feet, and different weight round rocks.

If you push on a rock the stick will bend to get the rock rolling then bend less as it gains speed, a small rock takes less bend than a large rock, the amount of initial energy also affects the bend at start. The same stick at 4 feet would bend less and at 6 feet more.

So 3 factors, length of stick, size of rock and energy pushing.

You buy an arrow from a chart and have it cut to x length, now you are left with front weight and energy.

You add a field tip/broadhead, 100, 125, whatever you decide but hopefully charted you arrow for, and you have the poundage you set the bow at.

All arrows bend when the energy is released, you want it to bend optimally, so it flys the best.

Easiest way to affect spine once the arrows are cut and bow poundage is set is head weight, if you are in spine then change one of the three you have to change another to be back in spine.

Kent

Like barrel harmonics, tuning is arrow harmonics and few bow shooters have their arrows tuned to their bow.

My buddy that has an elk hunt in a few weeks came over to shoot. Pro shop paper tuned and his sights wouldn't go high enough for a 20 pin. He shot poorly and I had him shoot a bare shaft, it flew completely sideways nock high... I admit I said WTF?

Looked at his bow with an arrow nocked and his loop was 3/8s high from square... but it paper tuned.

Eye balled center and square, couple bare shaft shots and small adjustments and he was shooting great, bow went from clanking to quiet. He would have hunted with it like that.

Kent

Seen 2 muley bucks in a unit I can't hunt and 1 good antelope buck a mile off in the wide open headed north. All water holes are dry in the normal areas I hunt, no animals, no tracks... plan b...

Kent

There's something you don't see everyday Claude... what's that Maude?... elk chit in the sand dunes...

Kent

Sat watching a herd with a good antelope buck where others lived 1000 years ago.

Kent

That's a really good antelope buck between the trees 1000 yards off, does below.

Hiked a mile in, 2 muley does and a spike were on a ridge watching something on the other side, figured it was my herd and it was. Slowly moved to 700 yards when 3 cow elk and their calves went through the antelope and blew them out.

Interesting morning.

Kent

Hiked to those same trees and he's laid down at 416 yards, I'd make a sneak if I knew where the does were, can't see them.

Kent

Yep, there's a doe 100 yards from him... waiting game.

Kent

Nothing like classing antelope through heat waves... winds changing, bought time to leave.

Kent

Well a truck a mile off moved them back to me but they crossed over 130 yards, close on a mile by 4 mile grassland but to far for a bow shot.

They still never knew I was there.

Kent

Exelente Kent,

keep after 'em.

Geno

Will do Geno,

Seen a hunter with a rifle, thought WTF, looked it up and there's a limited opportunity cow elk hunt going on in this area where they don't want permanent herds just winter. Guess that's who ran those elk around.

Kent

Yikes,

that kind f thing always gets my hair standing up a bit, knowing there's someone out there rifle hunting while I'm trying to put on a stalk and stay in cover.........where the rifle person can't see what's moving.

Stay safe.

Geno

Interesting.......

Growing up, the oldtimers had their own language I guess you'd call it, maybe it was very localized because some terms are not used anywhere else.

Large open grassland areas in pinion/juniper country was called a Seneca. Native word maybe, I can't find a reference... don't think it's from senega or cienega but maybe a bastardization.

Anyway I like hunting these high fairly hidden Senecas, yesterday morning the antelope were missing but I glassed for a couple hours seeing only a couple coyotes, right before I left I caught movement on a far edge and it was 3 muley bucks, 2 big ones, moving from a lower zone to bed up high... made the morning worth it.

Saturday evening was windy, I glassed some new area then decided to find a waterhole I thought I remembered being off the beaten path. Found some landmarks I remembered, kinda. By the time I found it it was 6pm, thinking I would sit the water till dark. Unfortunately for me to see the stock pond my vehicle was exposed, I should have backed around a rise but I was 1/2 mile out. Started hiking in and glassed up a huge lope buck near the tank bobbing his head and trashing a juniper... chit... had a doe and fawn with him. I tried to sneak in using junipers as cover but they knew I was there and left well before I got close.

Back home working for 3 days then I'll return for the rest of the season. I don't expect to get one but I love the action of archery antelope, to bad it's decades between drawing tags here, will probably be my last one.

Kent

This is very nice. gives me some idea too, well done.

Back at it, 6 more days to go.

Came back and there's water everywhere now, monsoon geared up and dumped while I was gone.

Still the antelope are out, got to 318 yards then the wind changed.

My 7 year old granddaughter made her Ugly 'Ol Pappy a cake to take hunting, it was good.

Kent

Nice Kent. I'll be heading to the Texas panhandle for pronghorn in a few weeks.

Good luck Ed, been on a littler buck for 3 miles, glassed him up a mile out, played cat and mouse, got to within 189 yards bit he knew I was there, he just finally said enough and high tailed it.

Kent

Kent,

I think it is from cienega, which literally is a swamp or wetland, but think about arizona, any wetter spot is going to be grassy. people got used to calling a grassy spot a cienega. then look at old time arizonans language, a mix of texas, mormon and mexican accents. it's a wonder its still called english.

Texan is for rodeoing, Mexican is for whenever... mostly bad words, apache/navajo is telling a story... gotta speak minnesotan/nort dakotan/ canadian when doing buisness with snowbirds.

I'm mostly deaf so ignore everyone now, too much trouble trying to figure their chit out.

Kent