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Wild Earth Guardians lawsuit against the US Forest Circus... mad
I just read on my puter that there are more trees on earth than stars in the sky...is that right?
...and back to massive fuel load buildup and spectacular wildfires.
Originally Posted by Hubert
I just read on my puter that there are more trees on earth than stars in the sky...is that right?


Not an expert by any means but I have heard several times that there are more stars in the sky then grains of sand on earth. I haven't counted either so who knows!
Originally Posted by Hubert
I just read on my puter that there are more trees on earth than stars in the sky...is that right?


"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." Abraham Lincoln.

grin

L.W.
Originally Posted by TexasTBag
Originally Posted by Hubert
I just read on my puter that there are more trees on earth than stars in the sky...is that right?


Not an expert by any means but I have heard several times that there are more stars in the sky then grains of sand on earth. I haven't counted either so who knows!


nobody knows! useless to ask if anyone knows for sure.

we've been misled, mis-directed for so long, it might be a long time before we get back up on the road and out of the ditch.

clinton was not our friend when it came to the national forests, f&w refuges, BLM, etc.etc. i think he did like the National Park Service???
Originally Posted by Gus
Originally Posted by TexasTBag
Originally Posted by Hubert
I just read on my puter that there are more trees on earth than stars in the sky...is that right?


Not an expert by any means but I have heard several times that there are more stars in the sky then grains of sand on earth. I haven't counted either so who knows!


nobody knows! useless to ask if anyone knows for sure.

we've been misled, mis-directed for so long, it might be a long time before we get back up on the road and out of the ditch.

clinton was not our friend when it came to the national forests, f&w refuges, BLM, etc.etc. i think he did like the National Park Service???


Yeah i think he got a hummer in the Lincoln Memorial once.
Originally Posted by Kyhilljack
Originally Posted by Gus
Originally Posted by TexasTBag
Originally Posted by Hubert
I just read on my puter that there are more trees on earth than stars in the sky...is that right?


Not an expert by any means but I have heard several times that there are more stars in the sky then grains of sand on earth. I haven't counted either so who knows!


nobody knows! useless to ask if anyone knows for sure.

we've been misled, mis-directed for so long, it might be a long time before we get back up on the road and out of the ditch.

clinton was not our friend when it came to the national forests, f&w refuges, BLM, etc.etc. i think he did like the National Park Service???


Yeah i think he got a hummer in the Lincoln Memorial once.


i have been so often amazed and dismayed by our political leaders who reject, defy and transcend proven science in the name of politics.

i guess it has to be with winning the vote or some such?

what if a leader got elected that aligned with rational science?

i guess there'd be a riot of something likely like that?

heaven forbid practicing good science, when the voters object.
That is an insane ruling, which I didn't catch through the grapevine. All of Region 3? Holy efeuchk.
Originally Posted by Dave_Skinner
That is an insane ruling, which I didn't catch through the grapevine. All of Region 3? Holy efeuchk.



Look at all the people that store their winter firewood with those permits.

Not to mention Christmas tree permits.

They stopped all logging too.

Again.


The very definition of killing Multiple Use, in lieu of "special interest".
Does that mean you can’t cut firewood that’s already dead and on the ground?
Originally Posted by navlav8r
Does that mean you can’t cut firewood that’s already dead and on the ground?


probably the bicyclists don't want to see signs of logging/harvesting going on?

let the locals buy propane, natural gas, electricity, or just go without?
More spotted owl BS.... mad

Idiots.

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Media Statement

Updated: 9/24/2019

Media statement in relation to the recent court-ordered injunction in the case WildEarth Guardians vs. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, et al. CV-13-00151-TUC-RCC in U.S. District Court in Arizona concerning the Mexican Spotted Owl.

The Forest Service received an Order from the United States District Court for the District of Arizona stating that the agency’s “timber management actions in Region 3 national forests must cease,” pending formal consultation regarding the Mexican Spotted Owl.

Five National Forests in Arizona are not within the scope of the Order. To comply with the Court’s Order, we are ceasing timber management actions on all National Forests in New Mexico and on the Tonto National Forest in Arizona.

Such actions may include timber sales, stewardship contracts, planned prescribed fire activities, and the issuance and implementation of active and new commercial and personal-use forest product permits. Personal-use permits include firewood permitting and cutting. Timber management activities include many restoration-focused activities, thinning operations and hazardous fuels reduction projects designed to protect wildlife and communities from fire danger.

We will continue to work to meet our consultation responsibilities under the Court’s Order as quickly as possible, as we are fully committed to continuing efforts for the recovery of the Mexican Spotted owl. However, we also understand the hardship that the cessation of timber management actions may impose on local communities that rely on National Forest products for livelihood. Our thanks to the public and our partners for your understanding and patience. We will readily communicate any new developments as they occur.


https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/lincoln/home/?cid=FSEPRD666433
Originally Posted by Hubert
I just read on my puter that there are more trees on earth than stars in the sky...is that right?

No, it's probably not.


And.... the Mexican Spotted Owl.......gained entry illegally.
Originally Posted by cisco1


And.... the Mexican Spotted Owl.......gained entry illegally.



And we give it our National Forest lands.

And show it favoritism over US taxpayers.

Sound familiar?
Originally Posted by TexasTBag
Originally Posted by Hubert
I just read on my puter that there are more trees on earth than stars in the sky...is that right?


Not an expert by any means but I have heard several times that there are more stars in the sky then grains of sand on earth. I haven't counted either so who knows!



Sounds like there are more idiots in "WIld Earth Guardians" than both combined. This will really piss off people who need wood for heating.
Originally Posted by smokepole
This will really piss off people who need wood for heating.


It has.

Among others.
number of years ago i was in the forest in north central arizona. i saw rows of what appeared to be birdhouses. asked the dvm in my truck who worked for the state what those were for. spotted owls. i said i don't think they have ever been here. yeah but the houses are kind of to be ready in case they decide to move here.
kind of like people on the gooberment sugar tit.
Clinton appointee, senior (senile) judge. Imagine that.

The issue seems to be population counting, not enough money being spent having overpriced biologists wander around counting owls. One two three four five six etc.
Originally Posted by nighthawk
...and back to massive fuel load buildup and spectacular wildfires.



Beat me to it! The definition of lunacy in light of the massive infestation of Western Pine Beetle.
Did the Mesican Spotted Owl ask for asylum or just a "green card"?
need to send the owl back to mexico in my op. or just eat them
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