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Posted By: luv2safari Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
The Dems are playing their only hand well. It centers around the traitor Bolton's testifying or not. The public wants witnesses overwhelmingly. The Republicans don't want Bolton to spill the beans. The Dems don't want Hunter Biden anywhere near a microphone, let alone in front of the Senate and America and Under Oath.

With no witnesses being called the Dems can cry foul, and the GOP has no defense for the "foul".

Trump stepped on his dick the day he let Bolton onto the team. Bolton was the swamp dog sent there to topple Trump. The military/industrial complex needs war dogs like Bolton and Hillary. They need to get rid of Trump once and for all.
Posted By: RickyD Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Bolton is no plant for the demoncraps. He's just an angry old man and a real azzhole when he doesn't get his way.

Neither should the Senate retry the House's debacle. The Senates duty is to try the articles of impeachment the House sent. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted By: Raeford Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
I'm telling you this is Kavanaugh 2.0, something new will drop within 2-3 days by either CNN,WAPO, NYT or PMSNBC.
Demon Strategery!
Posted By: 1bigdude Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
I do not trust Cheif Justice Roberts as far as I can piss. Remember who fugged the nation with ObamaCare
Posted By: BLG Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Witnesses are a huge no win for our side. Bolton will testify, and Hunter will plead the 5th.

Net loss for Trump. No joy, no witnesses. Phu ck the demonrats "fairness"



Clyde
Posted By: Valsdad Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Originally Posted by luv2safari
The Dems are playing their only hand well. It centers around the traitor Bolton's testifying or not. The public wants witnesses overwhelmingly. The Republicans don't want Bolton to spill the beans. The Dems don't want Hunter Biden anywhere near a microphone, let alone in front of the Senate and America and Under Oath.

With no witnesses being called the Dems can cry foul, and the GOP has no defense for the "foul".

Trump stepped on his dick the day he let Bolton onto the team. Bolton was the swamp dog sent there to topple Trump. The military/industrial complex needs war dogs like Bolton and Hillary. They need to get rid of Trump once and for all.


And it's possible with no witnesses Trump is acquitted and both sides get a "win" to tell their respective constituents about.

Dems cry "foul",

Repubs say "see, no crime committed".

On to the electioneering. Money for the coffers, sheep to fleece.

Geno
Posted By: Burleyboy Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
If Bolton had his way he would have started more wars than Hitler. That and his mustache is why I call him little Hitler. A swamp creature for sure.

Bb
Posted By: tpcollins Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Originally Posted by 1bigdude
I do not trust Cheif Justice Roberts as far as I can piss. Remember who fugged the nation with ObamaCare



Me neither. The SCOTUS has 4 Conservatives, 4 Liberals, and one Coin Toss.
Posted By: Anaconda Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Points to consider.
We (the public) have not seen Bolton’s book.
Every news source is reporting what it says, but how do they know what Boltons book says ?.
An anonymous source “leeked” it to the New York times, and they published it.
The only thing less reliable than a leek from an anonymous source, is the new York Times.
Posted By: nealglen37 Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Many ways to look at this. This may hurt Biden enough to let Bernie win the primary.............at the end of the day we will have a black and white choice in November.
Posted By: poboy Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Everything that has happened in the last 5 years goes right back to obama.
There's a witness for you. "I can't remember." "I don't recall.." "Doesn't ring a bell."
Posted By: deerstalker Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Originally Posted by poboy
Everything that has happened in the last 5 years goes right back to obama.
There's a witness for you. "I can't remember." "I don't recall.." "Doesn't ring a bell."

Add " that's rascist"
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
There are no beans to spill. Even if Trump mentioned that to Bolton it is not grounds for impeachment, much less conviction.
Posted By: 257heaven Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
The democrats and the mainstream media hated Bolton until he was fired and they thought he might turn on Trump. They considered Bolton their enemy.


Posted By: 257heaven Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Originally Posted by 1bigdude
I do not trust Cheif Justice Roberts as far as I can piss. Remember who fugged the nation with ObamaCare


Roberts can be overruled on anything with 51 votes in the Senate. Just not sure if McConnell has 51 votes at this point.
Posted By: EthanEdwards Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
F u c k Bolton. He's already said he'd lie. Nothing he says is credible. If he says something contrary to what Trump says, Bolton's the liar even if he hadn't already admitted he'd lie. Why? Because Trump is the President of the United States and Bolton's just some pogue.
Posted By: 257heaven Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Originally Posted by Anaconda
Points to consider.
We (the public) have not seen Bolton’s book.
Every news source is reporting what it says, but how do they know what Boltons book says ?.
An anonymous source “leeked” it to the New York times, and they published it.
The only thing less reliable than a leek from an anonymous source, is the new York Times.


Lt Col Vindman's twin brother is apparently the anon source. And it won't stop until the Republicans in the Senate fold and give up the farm. And I believe they will do that.
Posted By: 257heaven Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Originally Posted by jorgeI
There are no beans to spill. Even if Trump mentioned that to Bolton it is not grounds for impeachment, much less conviction.


Dems are just trying to sway public opinion to get Trump defeated. I don't believe they think they can get 67 votes.

And in the process, they're getting soundbites to try to take back the Senate. If that happens.....the ship is sunk whether Trump wins or loses.
Posted By: acy Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
One of my first questions for Bolton would be "Specifically when were the Ukrainians advised that military aid was being withheld pending Ukraine taking some action politically favorable to Trump?" I suspect that he couldn't answer that question.
Posted By: JPro Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
I think they are gunning for Senate seats in the long game, knowing that the short game is just throwing everything at the wall to see if a handful of things might stick just enough.......
Posted By: watch4bear Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Strange; ma wants acquittal

https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...th-an-elephant-in-the-senate-john-bolton
Posted By: reivertom Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
The house had their time to call anybody they wanted. It's not the Senate's job to do their job. The House got to call 17 witnesses against Trump, and the Republicans got to call ZERO. They could have called Bolton at any time. This is just another gotcha tactic from a bunch of political hacks on the Left. I say tell them to pound sand and wrap this dog and pony show up.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Originally Posted by Burleyboy
If Bolton had his way he would have started more wars than Hitler. That and his mustache is why I call him little Hitler. A swamp creature for sure.

Bb


Deep state cabal.

We will see if God is in control in this and leads Trump or not.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Originally Posted by reivertom
The house had their time to call anybody they wanted. It's not the Senate's job to do their job. The House got to call 17 witnesses against Trump, and the Republicans got to call ZERO.I say tell them to pound sand and wrap this dog and pony show up.


Dim basturds didnt want to go near a real trial in court with their skeletons. They couldnt call for Bolton and go to court to try and get him.
Posted By: 79S Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Originally Posted by luv2safari
The Dems are playing their only hand well. It centers around the traitor Bolton's testifying or not. The public wants witnesses overwhelmingly. The Republicans don't want Bolton to spill the beans. The Dems don't want Hunter Biden anywhere near a microphone, let alone in front of the Senate and America and Under Oath.

With no witnesses being called the Dems can cry foul, and the GOP has no defense for the "foul".

Trump stepped on his dick the day he let Bolton onto the team. Bolton was the swamp dog sent there to topple Trump. The military/industrial complex needs war dogs like Bolton and Hillary. They need to get rid of Trump once and for all.


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Posted By: jaguartx Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Originally Posted by watch4bear


She doesnt want to be tried by Trump and Barr as a traitor for China. Shes floating the message she wants to deal.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
I attributed Trump's pick of Bolton to being on psychedelic drugs that day. I have no idea why he chose that MIC warmonger. He has never been anything but that.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/28/20
Originally Posted by Anaconda
Points to consider.
We (the public) have not seen Bolton’s book.
Every news source is reporting what it says, but how do they know what Boltons book says ?.
An anonymous source “leeked” it to the New York times, and they published it.
The only thing less reliable than a leek from an anonymous source, is the new York Times.

Yep, AP would not stand by the rumors Bolton supposedly said. However, we dont know what the cabal has on Bolton either.

It shouldn't matter. Even if Trump said that, it's not a crime.
Posted By: luv2safari Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/29/20
Originally Posted by jorgeI
There are no beans to spill. Even if Trump mentioned that to Bolton it is not grounds for impeachment, much less conviction.



You're correct, jorge, but the public has now been brainwashed to believe international arm twisting by our President is some kind of a crime. I think...guess...that Bolton felt he had a way to slap Trump back, even though the country suffers. I also think Bolton is nuts and getting worse.
Posted By: Squidge Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/29/20
It has become a no win situation for Senate Republicans, anything short of complete transparency with what Bolton knows will be viewed as being complicit in a cover up of bad behavior. In my humble opinion, it would be better to put the evidence on the table, and then debate if impeachement is warranted or not. At this point not calling any witnesses, not seeking any documents that are being witheld, and cutting the trial short will be viewed as white washing the allegations that have been made and it won't bode well come November. One thing is for certain, more information will keep dripping out and it's not likely to be favorable.
Posted By: arky65 Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/29/20
As long as I can remember the R's are always on defense. Seems, they do not know how to play offense. ????
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/29/20
Originally Posted by 257heaven
Originally Posted by 1bigdude
I do not trust Cheif Justice Roberts as far as I can piss. Remember who fugged the nation with ObamaCare


Roberts can be overruled on anything with 51 votes in the Senate. Just not sure if McConnell has 51 votes at this point.


It takes 67 votes (or 2/3 of those voting) to convict, not 51.
Posted By: steve4102 Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/29/20
The Democrats have planned this from day one.

The knew about Bolton's book way back during the House investigations. They did not call him for a reason.

The Democrats Know that they will not get a conviction, but anyone with more than two brain cells left to rub together already knows this.

This is about discrediting President Trump and at the same time discrediting "certain" targeted Republican Senators.

The democrats played this perfectly. The Republicans in the Senate are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

If Republicans "block" Bolton's testimony, then Plan (A) goes into affect.
(A), Millions of Democrat campaign Dollars will be funneled into the States of their 4-6 Targeted Republican Senators. The campaign slogan and narrative will be that Republican Senator ____ cannot be trusted and voted to Block "Crucial" evidence and testimony in the Impeachment Trial. This Senator is engaged in a "Cover-up" and etc.etc.etc. Then Presto a Democrat victory in 2020.

If the Republicans vote to allow Bolton to testify, then plan (B) goes into affect.
(B), We all know how well Republican voters stick together no matter what, right. They don't. They look for any reason to refuse to vote for "the lesser of two evils". Millions of Republican voters will be so pissed if they vote allow Bolton to testify, they will refuse to vote for that sumbitch out of spite and Presto another Democrat Senator. The Democrats know that the Republicans will eat their own for just about any reason and this is a big one.

Whether Bolton testifies of not, whether he hammers Trump, or exonerates Trump matters not. It's all about the Vote, not the Testimony.

They know that RBG is not long for this world. They need the Senate and this is one of their plans to take it back.

It will prolly work too, as Republicans are to stupid and short sided to see the Big Picture and to stupid to know when they have been played.



Posted By: steve4102 Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/29/20
This is what this is all about.

The United States Senate elections will be held on November 3, 2020. Thirty-four of the 100 Senate seats are up for reelection.

The GOP will have to defend more Senate seats than Democrats. As of now, there will be 22 Republican Senate seats on the line, while Democrats will only need to protect 12 seats.


Republicans up for reelection in 2020:

Alaska: Dan Sullivan (Intent unknown) Current age: 53

Arizona: Martha McSally (Running) Current age: 52

Arkansas: Tom Cotton (Running) Current age: 40

Colorado: Cory Gardner (Running) Current age: 43

Georgia: David Perdue (Running) Current age: 68

Idaho: John Risch (Intent unknown) Current age: 74

Iowa: Joni Ernst (Running) Current age: 47

Kansas: Pat Roberts (Retiring) Current age: 81

Kentucky: Mitch McConnell (Running) Current age: 75

Louisiana: Bill Cassidy (Intent unknown) Current age: 60

Maine: Susan Collins (Running) Current age: 66

Mississippi: Cindy Hyde-Smith (Intent unknown) Current age: 59

Montana: Steve Daines (Intent unknown) Current age: 55

Nebraska: Ben Sasse (Intent unknown) Current age: 45

North Carolina: Thom Tillis (Running) Current age: 57

Oklahoma: Jim Inhofe (Intent unknown) Current age: 83

South Carolina: Lindsey Graham (Running) Current age: 63

South Dakota: Mike Rounds (Intent unknown) Current age: 63

Tennessee: Lamar Alexander (Retiring) Current age: 77


Texas: John Cornyn (Running) Current age: 65

West Virginia: Shelley Moore Capito (Intent unknown) Current age: 64

Wyoming: Mike Enzi (Intent unknown) Current age: 73


The Democrats have a very, very good chance of picking up enough seats to take control of the Senate.
Posted By: 45_100 Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/29/20
I agree the democrats know they will not remove Trump from office and they know they will not keep him from being re-elected. The plan now is to hold onto the house and take the Senate. That will mean no more constitutional judicial appointments and Trump won't get anything through Congress for the next four years.
Posted By: 257heaven Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/29/20
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by 257heaven
Originally Posted by 1bigdude
I do not trust Cheif Justice Roberts as far as I can piss. Remember who fugged the nation with ObamaCare


Roberts can be overruled on anything with 51 votes in the Senate. Just not sure if McConnell has 51 votes at this point.


It takes 67 votes (or 2/3 of those voting) to convict, not 51.


Right. But it only takes 51 votes to overrule the Chief Justice.
Posted By: mtnsnake Re: Dems Play Hand - 01/29/20
Democrats will never let another republican be elected as a President again.
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