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Posted By: deflave TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
I live and work in what could be described as the most liberal parts of Florida.

And I have to say, the support for Trump today, vs just a couple of years ago is incredible. People used to whisper about him when giving praise. Now it is outright full on love for our President. It is a given that law enforcement and military adore him. You wouldn't gamble speaking ill of him around any of those types. A short couple of years ago, I'd say it was 50/50.

The inter coastal water way and Biscayne Bay are littered with boats waving "TRUMP 2020" flags. Liberals that hate him stay quiet when his name is brought up. As opposed to just a couple years ago when they would scoff and laugh.

It really is incredible how well he has rallied the right in such a short amount of time.

Curious if others have seen similar in their respective areas.
Posted By: Gibby Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
The most I can get out of any liberal now I talk to is "we will agree to disagree" . They don't want to talk facts.
Posted By: akasparky Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Oh, is that what these headlines are about..?

Shots Fired At Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Resort In The Midst Of Impeachment Controversy
Posted By: jimy Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Trump won Pennsylvania 2016 by a narrow margin, but today his support is everywhere, signs and flags are flying proudly at homes and business alike !

His rallies here draw over flow crowds in the tens of thousands. He will win here no doubt !
Posted By: steve4102 Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
I live and work in what could be described as the most liberal parts of Florida.

And I have to say, the support for Trump today, vs just a couple of years ago is incredible. People used to whisper about him when giving praise. Now it is outright full on love for our President. It is a given that law enforcement and military adore him. You wouldn't gamble speaking ill of him around any of those types. A short couple of years ago, I'd say it was 50/50.

The inter coastal water way and Biscayne Bay are littered with boats waving "TRUMP 2020" flags. Liberals that hate him stay quiet when his name is brought up. As opposed to just a couple years ago when they would scoff and laugh.

It really is incredible how well he has rallied the right in such a short amount of time.

Curious if others have seen similar in their respective areas.

Good to hear, thanks for the lifter.
Posted By: TrueGrit Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
The GOP needs to mail every registered voter a Trump bumper sticker. ...even the dead one's. It just might send the liberals over the edge.
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky


Pretty sure that was just a case of Floridians being Floridians.
Posted By: akasparky Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Thanks for the info, just curious....
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by jimy
Trump won Pennsylvania 2016 by a narrow margin, but today his support is everywhere, signs and flags are flying proudly at homes and business alike !

His rallies here draw over flow crowds in the tens of thousands. He will win here no doubt !


My parents and niece visited last Thanksgiving and Trump was holding a rally just up the road.

They were able to make it and it was the highlight of their trip.

The BB&T was absolutely JAMMED. And this is in one of, if not the, most liberal counties in the state. And Thanksgiving week!

Incredible.
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky
Thanks for the info, just curious....


I'll know more tomorrow.

Will post here.
Posted By: akasparky Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by jimy
Trump won Pennsylvania 2016 by a narrow margin, but today his support is everywhere, signs and flags are flying proudly at homes and business alike !

His rallies here draw over flow crowds in the tens of thousands. He will win here no doubt !


My parents and niece visited last Thanksgiving and Trump was holding a rally just up the road.

They were able to make it and it was the highlight of their trip.

The BB&T was absolutely JAMMED. And this is in one of, if not the, most liberal counties in the state. And Thanksgiving week!

Incredible.


Wait, I thought you went to the BB&T for some Gawd forsaken rock concert or something.
Posted By: Whttail_in_MT Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
Iwork

I'm confused. I thought it was the wife that brought home the bacon, while you fried it up in a pan.
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky


Wait, I thought you went to the BB&T for some Gawd forsaken rock concert or something.


Fugk yeah.

Iron Maiden.

The Panthers play there also. We go whenever we can.
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT
Originally Posted by deflave
Iwork

I'm confused. I thought it was the wife that brought home the bacon, while you fried it up in a pan.


You're thinking of Dave.
Posted By: akasparky Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Oh what a tangled web you weave...
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky
Oh what a tangled web you weave...


My professional life is way worse.
Posted By: akasparky Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by akasparky


Wait, I thought you went to the BB&T for some Gawd forsaken rock concert or something.


Fugk yeah.

Iron Maiden.

The Panthers play there also. We go whenever we can.



So, like Trump opened for Iron Maiden or vice versa?
Posted By: rem141r Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
haven't seen it yet in the rural parts of PA i frequent. trump stuff was everywhere in 16. i hope there isn't complacency. the schitheads in pittsburgh, philly, harrisburg and state college will be out in droves.
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky



So, like Trump opened for Iron Maiden or vice versa?


Bro...

Please tell me you're not one of these people that never goes outside.
Posted By: kid0917 Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by rem141r
haven't seen it yet in the rural parts of PA i frequent. trump stuff was everywhere in 16. i hope there isn't complacency. the schitheads in pittsburgh, philly, harrisburg and state college will be out in droves.


and there are many newly dead voters now that always seem to vote D
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by rem141r
haven't seen it yet in the rural parts of PA i frequent. trump stuff was everywhere in 16. i hope there isn't complacency. the schitheads in pittsburgh, philly, harrisburg and state college will be out in droves.


Yard signs are something different.

I think it's too early for those frankly.
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
I'm pretty confident that Trump will win. What we REALLY need to go with it is for states to dump a bunch of their Dem congressmen.
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
I'm pretty confident that Trump will win. What we REALLY need to go with it is for states to dump a bunch of their Dem congressmen.


I predict that happening in 2022.
Posted By: 338Rem Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Trump has/is been building a better ground game than the Dims. The Dims underestimate him at their own peril and will continue to do so.
Posted By: akasparky Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT
Originally Posted by deflave
Iwork

I'm confused. I thought it was the wife that brought home the bacon, while you fried it up in a pan.


You're thinking of Dave.


You've burst my bubble, all this time I thought you just sat on a five gallon bucket beside a canal all day fision and plinkin' an occasional Iguana like all the other unemployed Miami types do..
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky


You've burst my bubble, all this time I thought you just sat on a five gallon bucket beside a canal all day fision and plinkin' an occasional Iguana like all the other unemployed Miami types do..


If you think you're disappointed, you should see my kids.
Posted By: chris_c Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
I live and work in what could be described as the most liberal parts of Florida.

And I have to say, the support for Trump today, vs just a couple of years ago is incredible. People used to whisper about him when giving praise. Now it is outright full on love for our President. It is a given that law enforcement and military adore him. You wouldn't gamble speaking ill of him around any of those types. A short couple of years ago, I'd say it was 50/50.

The inter coastal water way and Biscayne Bay are littered with boats waving "TRUMP 2020" flags. Liberals that hate him stay quiet when his name is brought up. As opposed to just a couple years ago when they would scoff and laugh.

It really is incredible how well he has rallied the right in such a short amount of time.

Curious if others have seen similar in their respective areas.


Golf carts up here are getting more trump signs each day
Posted By: TheKid Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
I live in the Oklahoma, the number of small town folks in my area who aren’t Trump supporters could probably be counted on one hand. Think I’ve see two Bernie stickers, both trucks belonged to old burned out dope smoker boomers. Dude down the street has an 8” tall decal the full width of his tailgate that says “Go Trump Go”. There’s people still rocking their Trump lawn signs from 16. I think we’ll go red here again.
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by TheKid
I live in the Oklahoma, the number of small town folks in my area who aren’t Trump supporters could probably be counted on one hand. Think I’ve see two Bernie stickers, both trucks belonged to old burned out dope smoker boomers. Dude down the street has an 8” tall decal the full width of his tailgate that says “Go Trump Go”. There’s people still rocking their Trump lawn signs from 16. I think we’ll go red here again.


The only place I've seen ANY lawn ornament signs is Wilton Manors.

They love them some Pete Bootyjeg.

LOL.
Posted By: TheKid Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Those rich [bleep] have probably mowed since 2016 though
Posted By: EthanEdwards Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Kansas hasn't voted Dem in the Presidential race since LBJ.
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by TheKid
Those rich [bleep] have probably mowed since 2016 though


Can you try again please?
Posted By: thumbcocker Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by rem141r
haven't seen it yet in the rural parts of PA i frequent. trump stuff was everywhere in 16. i hope there isn't complacency. the schitheads in pittsburgh, philly, harrisburg and state college will be out in droves.

There are lots of Trump flags and signs in rural Pa. I see them everywhere.
Posted By: doctor_Encore Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by 338Rem
Trump has/is been building a better ground game than the Dims. The Dims underestimate him at their own peril and will continue to do so.


Let us no underestimate the Dems....they control social media.
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
Originally Posted by 338Rem
Trump has/is been building a better ground game than the Dims. The Dims underestimate him at their own peril and will continue to do so.


Let us no underestimate the Dems....they control social media.


Yet Trump continues to climb.

It's astounding. And speaks volumes about the American people.

If he wins 2020 (and I think he will) there is going to be a very strong message sent to the world.
Posted By: 338Rem Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
Originally Posted by 338Rem
Trump has/is been building a better ground game than the Dims. The Dims underestimate him at their own peril and will continue to do so.


Let us no underestimate the Dems....they control social media.


Trump did not get to the Presidency by underestimating anything. He is always many moves ahead of the Dems and press. Look at the last three years.
Posted By: muleshoe Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
Originally Posted by 338Rem
Trump has/is been building a better ground game than the Dims. The Dims underestimate him at their own peril and will continue to do so.


Let us no underestimate the Dems....they control social media.



They also do the best job cheating.
Posted By: ingwe Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave

Curious if others have seen similar in their respective areas.



Yes.
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
The morning talk show here is hosted by Jimmy Cefalo. You could easily paint him a liberal.

He repeatedly states on his show that if the dems don't stop their nonsense the right could turn violent. This is not a right wing nut job. He's very middle of the road on almost every issue.

Same for Joe Rogan. He's right on some things, left on others.

But he says it almost daily. If the dems don't stop this schit they're going to get themselves killed.

I don't recall any mainstream commentators saying anything similar. Ever.
Posted By: ingwe Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
I hope they are both right...


Seems like socialism always ends violently .
Posted By: kid0917 Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Cefalo....Cefalo.... wasn't he an NFL wide receiver who could run the 100 in only 22 seconds flat?
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by kid0917
Cefalo....Cefalo.... wasn't he an NFL wide receiver who could run the 100 in only 22 seconds flat?


Yes.
Posted By: akasparky Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave


Yet Trump continues to climb.

It's astounding. And speaks volumes about the American people.



Psychology Today sums it up like this,

Why Do People Follow Tyrants?
History repeats itself because of human nature.


Time and time again in history, and today even in workplaces and beyond, it seems that a certain personality type keeps cropping up in positions of power: the tyrant. They are strikingly similar—charismatic and charming but also calculating and cruel.

They tend to have a blend of narcissistic and antisocial personality disorder traits such as a lack of empathy, grandiosity, thirst for power and control, lying and deceit, indifference to conventional laws or rules or morality, and more. The noted psychoanalyst Otto Kernberg and others often coined this type the “malignant narcissist.”

While people often discuss the history of malignant behavior and records of sadism and the horrific aftermath of these tyrants, what is discussed less often is that these leaders do not and cannot rise in a vacuum; they come to power on the backs of the masses they ultimately disdain and discard at will. It’s the people who follow these bully dictator types that we need to examine and reflect on as well; why do people worship and enable these leaders? What is it in human nature that makes us vulnerable to this repeated cycle of cruelty and danger?

Here I focus on some of the voluntary reasons people follow tyrants, although clearly these types also excel at abuse and involuntary manipulation and coercion of people to their own ends, such as blackmail, outright threats, gaslighting, leverage and control through associated friends and family members, and more. But with surprising ease, people also can easily worship and follow tyrants willingly.

1. A craving for strong parental figures
One fundamental concern in human nature, that draws them to the idea of a higher authority or power, is the need for an idealized parental figure. Partly because while growing up, parents loom large as the overseers of your consciousness. Conversely, they can devastate you with their absence or cruelty.

They are the basis for your survival during childhood; and when things go awry with flawed parents or parental figures, for many, the craving for the support of a strong, perfect-seeming, powerful “parent” only increases. Unfortunately, this thirst for such a figure can obscure one to the truth that no such perfect figure exists; and a tyrannical leader can easily exploit and thrive off of this unquestioning worship.


2. Assuming the best in others/faith/naïve idealism
Sometimes, unfortunately, it’s our goodwill and faith in human kindness that can doom us to manipulation. In a healthy society, mutual trust is a cornerstone of community strength, in exchange for abiding by general moral rules of community support.

But sometimes that leaves us vulnerable to those who don’t play by the same rules we do. We assume that any human being will appreciate or exchange the same social contract of mutual respect and generosity and empathy and fairness that most of us try to strive for. But sadly, we underestimate the machinations of sociopaths who mimic and use this generosity while at their core, having no concern for others. We assume the best of each other, which works in many cases, but is also an Achilles heel to the cold exploitativeness of sociopathic behavior.

Complicating matters is that such behavior occurs on a spectrum; clear and obvious “rulebreakers” like serial killers are one thing, but what about those who still abide by certain social graces on the surface, while at their core just pursuing their self-interest to varying degrees? Where do we draw the line between paranoid mistrust and oblivious naiveté? This grey zone of trust is where sociopaths thrive.


3. Wish fulfillment and admiration of transgressive behavior and confidence
On some level, maybe we ourselves admire or envy the shark, even if we feel held back in our own lives for whatever reason from eating prey. Whether you are a secret shark lying in wait, seeing where you can bend the rules one day, or whether you envy what they win for themselves—confidence, power, or money—because you feel those are impossible goals for yourself, maybe you identify with and admire predatory behavior on some level.

Maybe on some level, you admire the dark side that you suppress within yourself or feel you couldn’t pursue due to other constraints, and you enjoy the apparent freedom with which those individuals break rules and achieve glory.


4. Drawn to superficial markers (money, looks, status)
Humans are sadly status-oriented creatures, partly due to evolutionary behavior. The animal with the brightest plumage, who beats their chest the loudest, who appears with certain desirable physical attributes, who presents themselves as special or unusual gets more mating attention. Even babies and children are drawn to certain faces perceived as “attractive.”

And particularly in our modern capitalist society, we are obsessed with markers of material superficial success: the clothes, the car, the name-brand degrees, the managerial titles, the fame and glamour, and more. On some level, we all fall for the simple gambit of admiring these markers, whatever they may be. Unfortunately, these markers usually have no correlation to morality or kindness or depth of human character. They are badges of entitlement for show, and we can’t help giving them credit.


5. Feeling weak or uncertain in our own lives
When people feel a lack of control in their own lives, they turn to fantasy figures or escapist outlets to regain a sense of power and ego strength. Sometimes they turn to religion and its all-powerful idealized figures, but more often, they turn to figureheads in their lives, be it celebrities, idols, and people who possess charisma and strength. These charismatic types are masters of outward confidence, self-assuredness, which is reassuring and infectious for those who feel unsteady or insecure in themselves.

When your relationship, economic situation, or happiness appears to be breaking down, it’s the allure of the person who seems to have it all together that draws you in and makes you hope for the same, even if it’s a phony promise.


6. Cowardice/passivity/false safety/survival
Some people would rather stay in the seeming safety of the sidelines, and let someone else run the show, perhaps due to fear of responsibility or retribution. This passivity can work to some extent in terms of hiding from initial attention or conflict, but it can be a dangerous way to enable tyrants to proceed unchecked.

It also allows a person to stay in a child role of sorts, and avoid ownership of their own problems as they let someone else take over. It’s a form of evasion that gives the tyrant more power, since no one is willing to confront or stop their transgression.


7. Power/popularity cliques/alignment with the ‘in’ crowd
There is a great appeal to aligning with others who also fall in line, who are in sync with the group in charge. From grade school onward, peer pressure is massive, to avoid being the “nerd” or “oddball” who doesn’t look smooth or confident. To some extent, this social pattern doesn’t change, even in adult society, although thankfully the range of acceptable confidence and avenues for self-fulfillment are much more diverse.

Unfortunately, certain career or social tracks remain narrowly defined, and the ones who align the best with the designated “norms” achieve more power and followers. Those followers enjoy basking in the glow of the successful leader’s approval and clique acceptance, even when the leader’s whims turn malicious or rely on putting others down.


8. Lack of critical thought/logic/education
It’s easier to be exploited by a confident tyrant when you don’t doubt or examine their statements or motivations with a critical eye. Unfortunately, many people seem fine with going along with the status quo, unwilling to stay informed or read about issues of importance or question items that don’t make logical sense.

They also don’t seem as skeptical or worried about too much power concentrated in the hands of any single individual, and what that can lead to. Or conversely, they are too cognitively rigid or overgeneralizing, leading to scapegoating and prejudice, which can easily be exploited.

Overall, there are understandably human tendencies, our foibles and insecurities and aspirations, that draw us to the boldness of the tyrant, but also leave us vulnerable to their ruthlessness, indifference, and exploitation. We need to maintain a healthy skepticism for any person who acts too good to be true, who never seems to doubt themselves, because ultimately, it’s normal to be flawed and unsure about life sometimes, to push forward through mistakes and confusion, and to forgive those who are still growing, changing. Overconfidence can be alluring but is ultimately a tactic, even a dangerous one. We cannot heedlessly follow tyrants.
Posted By: doubletap Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by muleshoe
Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
Originally Posted by 338Rem
Trump has/is been building a better ground game than the Dims. The Dims underestimate him at their own peril and will continue to do so.


Let us no underestimate the Dems....they control social media.



They also do the best job cheating.

So true. There are precincts in Philadelphia that didn’t have one Trump vote. Given the average intelligence in those precincts, there would have been some Trump votes just by accident.
Posted By: kid0917 Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by doubletap
Originally Posted by muleshoe
Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
Originally Posted by 338Rem
Trump has/is been building a better ground game than the Dims. The Dims underestimate him at their own peril and will continue to do so.


Let us no underestimate the Dems....they control social media.



They also do the best job cheating.

So true. There are precincts in Philadelphia that didn’t have one Trump vote. Given the average intelligence in those precincts, there would have been some Trump votes just by accident.


ROFL!
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Not here.

Although the ones that supported him initially are much more galvanized in their support.



Posted By: jwp475 Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Trump has been one of the greatest presidents of all time for America. That is why the Marxist l mean left hate him
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by deflave


Yet Trump continues to climb.

It's astounding. And speaks volumes about the American people.



Psychology Today sums it up like this,

Why Do People Follow Tyrants?
History repeats itself because of human nature.


Time and time again in history, and today even in workplaces and beyond, it seems that a certain personality type keeps cropping up in positions of power: the tyrant. They are strikingly similar—charismatic and charming but also calculating and cruel.

They tend to have a blend of narcissistic and antisocial personality disorder traits such as a lack of empathy, grandiosity, thirst for power and control, lying and deceit, indifference to conventional laws or rules or morality, and more. The noted psychoanalyst Otto Kernberg and others often coined this type the “malignant narcissist.”

While people often discuss the history of malignant behavior and records of sadism and the horrific aftermath of these tyrants, what is discussed less often is that these leaders do not and cannot rise in a vacuum; they come to power on the backs of the masses they ultimately disdain and discard at will. It’s the people who follow these bully dictator types that we need to examine and reflect on as well; why do people worship and enable these leaders? What is it in human nature that makes us vulnerable to this repeated cycle of cruelty and danger?

Here I focus on some of the voluntary reasons people follow tyrants, although clearly these types also excel at abuse and involuntary manipulation and coercion of people to their own ends, such as blackmail, outright threats, gaslighting, leverage and control through associated friends and family members, and more. But with surprising ease, people also can easily worship and follow tyrants willingly.

1. A craving for strong parental figures
One fundamental concern in human nature, that draws them to the idea of a higher authority or power, is the need for an idealized parental figure. Partly because while growing up, parents loom large as the overseers of your consciousness. Conversely, they can devastate you with their absence or cruelty.

They are the basis for your survival during childhood; and when things go awry with flawed parents or parental figures, for many, the craving for the support of a strong, perfect-seeming, powerful “parent” only increases. Unfortunately, this thirst for such a figure can obscure one to the truth that no such perfect figure exists; and a tyrannical leader can easily exploit and thrive off of this unquestioning worship.


2. Assuming the best in others/faith/naïve idealism
Sometimes, unfortunately, it’s our goodwill and faith in human kindness that can doom us to manipulation. In a healthy society, mutual trust is a cornerstone of community strength, in exchange for abiding by general moral rules of community support.

But sometimes that leaves us vulnerable to those who don’t play by the same rules we do. We assume that any human being will appreciate or exchange the same social contract of mutual respect and generosity and empathy and fairness that most of us try to strive for. But sadly, we underestimate the machinations of sociopaths who mimic and use this generosity while at their core, having no concern for others. We assume the best of each other, which works in many cases, but is also an Achilles heel to the cold exploitativeness of sociopathic behavior.

Complicating matters is that such behavior occurs on a spectrum; clear and obvious “rulebreakers” like serial killers are one thing, but what about those who still abide by certain social graces on the surface, while at their core just pursuing their self-interest to varying degrees? Where do we draw the line between paranoid mistrust and oblivious naiveté? This grey zone of trust is where sociopaths thrive.


3. Wish fulfillment and admiration of transgressive behavior and confidence
On some level, maybe we ourselves admire or envy the shark, even if we feel held back in our own lives for whatever reason from eating prey. Whether you are a secret shark lying in wait, seeing where you can bend the rules one day, or whether you envy what they win for themselves—confidence, power, or money—because you feel those are impossible goals for yourself, maybe you identify with and admire predatory behavior on some level.

Maybe on some level, you admire the dark side that you suppress within yourself or feel you couldn’t pursue due to other constraints, and you enjoy the apparent freedom with which those individuals break rules and achieve glory.


4. Drawn to superficial markers (money, looks, status)
Humans are sadly status-oriented creatures, partly due to evolutionary behavior. The animal with the brightest plumage, who beats their chest the loudest, who appears with certain desirable physical attributes, who presents themselves as special or unusual gets more mating attention. Even babies and children are drawn to certain faces perceived as “attractive.”

And particularly in our modern capitalist society, we are obsessed with markers of material superficial success: the clothes, the car, the name-brand degrees, the managerial titles, the fame and glamour, and more. On some level, we all fall for the simple gambit of admiring these markers, whatever they may be. Unfortunately, these markers usually have no correlation to morality or kindness or depth of human character. They are badges of entitlement for show, and we can’t help giving them credit.


5. Feeling weak or uncertain in our own lives
When people feel a lack of control in their own lives, they turn to fantasy figures or escapist outlets to regain a sense of power and ego strength. Sometimes they turn to religion and its all-powerful idealized figures, but more often, they turn to figureheads in their lives, be it celebrities, idols, and people who possess charisma and strength. These charismatic types are masters of outward confidence, self-assuredness, which is reassuring and infectious for those who feel unsteady or insecure in themselves.

When your relationship, economic situation, or happiness appears to be breaking down, it’s the allure of the person who seems to have it all together that draws you in and makes you hope for the same, even if it’s a phony promise.


6. Cowardice/passivity/false safety/survival
Some people would rather stay in the seeming safety of the sidelines, and let someone else run the show, perhaps due to fear of responsibility or retribution. This passivity can work to some extent in terms of hiding from initial attention or conflict, but it can be a dangerous way to enable tyrants to proceed unchecked.

It also allows a person to stay in a child role of sorts, and avoid ownership of their own problems as they let someone else take over. It’s a form of evasion that gives the tyrant more power, since no one is willing to confront or stop their transgression.


7. Power/popularity cliques/alignment with the ‘in’ crowd
There is a great appeal to aligning with others who also fall in line, who are in sync with the group in charge. From grade school onward, peer pressure is massive, to avoid being the “nerd” or “oddball” who doesn’t look smooth or confident. To some extent, this social pattern doesn’t change, even in adult society, although thankfully the range of acceptable confidence and avenues for self-fulfillment are much more diverse.

Unfortunately, certain career or social tracks remain narrowly defined, and the ones who align the best with the designated “norms” achieve more power and followers. Those followers enjoy basking in the glow of the successful leader’s approval and clique acceptance, even when the leader’s whims turn malicious or rely on putting others down.


8. Lack of critical thought/logic/education
It’s easier to be exploited by a confident tyrant when you don’t doubt or examine their statements or motivations with a critical eye. Unfortunately, many people seem fine with going along with the status quo, unwilling to stay informed or read about issues of importance or question items that don’t make logical sense.

They also don’t seem as skeptical or worried about too much power concentrated in the hands of any single individual, and what that can lead to. Or conversely, they are too cognitively rigid or overgeneralizing, leading to scapegoating and prejudice, which can easily be exploited.

Overall, there are understandably human tendencies, our foibles and insecurities and aspirations, that draw us to the boldness of the tyrant, but also leave us vulnerable to their ruthlessness, indifference, and exploitation. We need to maintain a healthy skepticism for any person who acts too good to be true, who never seems to doubt themselves, because ultimately, it’s normal to be flawed and unsure about life sometimes, to push forward through mistakes and confusion, and to forgive those who are still growing, changing. Overconfidence can be alluring but is ultimately a tactic, even a dangerous one. We cannot heedlessly follow tyrants.


If you think Donald Trump is tyrant you're a fugking moron.
Posted By: Hastings Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
As to the Psychology Today article. Were you relating that description toward Trump supporters? Or more appropriately toward the sycophant support of the likes of Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton?
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Not here.

Although the ones that supported him initially are much more galvanized in their support.





Yeah that's a weird place.

Politically speaking.
Posted By: muleshoe Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by deflave


Yet Trump continues to climb.

It's astounding. And speaks volumes about the American people.



Psychology Today sums it up like this,

Why Do People Follow Tyrants?
History repeats itself because of human nature.


Time and time again in history, and today even in workplaces and beyond, it seems that a certain personality type keeps cropping up in positions of power: the tyrant. They are strikingly similar—charismatic and charming but also calculating and cruel.

They tend to have a blend of narcissistic and antisocial personality disorder traits such as a lack of empathy, grandiosity, thirst for power and control, lying and deceit, indifference to conventional laws or rules or morality, and more. The noted psychoanalyst Otto Kernberg and others often coined this type the “malignant narcissist.”

While people often discuss the history of malignant behavior and records of sadism and the horrific aftermath of these tyrants, what is discussed less often is that these leaders do not and cannot rise in a vacuum; they come to power on the backs of the masses they ultimately disdain and discard at will. It’s the people who follow these bully dictator types that we need to examine and reflect on as well; why do people worship and enable these leaders? What is it in human nature that makes us vulnerable to this repeated cycle of cruelty and danger?

Here I focus on some of the voluntary reasons people follow tyrants, although clearly these types also excel at abuse and involuntary manipulation and coercion of people to their own ends, such as blackmail, outright threats, gaslighting, leverage and control through associated friends and family members, and more. But with surprising ease, people also can easily worship and follow tyrants willingly.

1. A craving for strong parental figures
One fundamental concern in human nature, that draws them to the idea of a higher authority or power, is the need for an idealized parental figure. Partly because while growing up, parents loom large as the overseers of your consciousness. Conversely, they can devastate you with their absence or cruelty.

They are the basis for your survival during childhood; and when things go awry with flawed parents or parental figures, for many, the craving for the support of a strong, perfect-seeming, powerful “parent” only increases. Unfortunately, this thirst for such a figure can obscure one to the truth that no such perfect figure exists; and a tyrannical leader can easily exploit and thrive off of this unquestioning worship.


2. Assuming the best in others/faith/naïve idealism
Sometimes, unfortunately, it’s our goodwill and faith in human kindness that can doom us to manipulation. In a healthy society, mutual trust is a cornerstone of community strength, in exchange for abiding by general moral rules of community support.

But sometimes that leaves us vulnerable to those who don’t play by the same rules we do. We assume that any human being will appreciate or exchange the same social contract of mutual respect and generosity and empathy and fairness that most of us try to strive for. But sadly, we underestimate the machinations of sociopaths who mimic and use this generosity while at their core, having no concern for others. We assume the best of each other, which works in many cases, but is also an Achilles heel to the cold exploitativeness of sociopathic behavior.

Complicating matters is that such behavior occurs on a spectrum; clear and obvious “rulebreakers” like serial killers are one thing, but what about those who still abide by certain social graces on the surface, while at their core just pursuing their self-interest to varying degrees? Where do we draw the line between paranoid mistrust and oblivious naiveté? This grey zone of trust is where sociopaths thrive.


3. Wish fulfillment and admiration of transgressive behavior and confidence
On some level, maybe we ourselves admire or envy the shark, even if we feel held back in our own lives for whatever reason from eating prey. Whether you are a secret shark lying in wait, seeing where you can bend the rules one day, or whether you envy what they win for themselves—confidence, power, or money—because you feel those are impossible goals for yourself, maybe you identify with and admire predatory behavior on some level.

Maybe on some level, you admire the dark side that you suppress within yourself or feel you couldn’t pursue due to other constraints, and you enjoy the apparent freedom with which those individuals break rules and achieve glory.


4. Drawn to superficial markers (money, looks, status)
Humans are sadly status-oriented creatures, partly due to evolutionary behavior. The animal with the brightest plumage, who beats their chest the loudest, who appears with certain desirable physical attributes, who presents themselves as special or unusual gets more mating attention. Even babies and children are drawn to certain faces perceived as “attractive.”

And particularly in our modern capitalist society, we are obsessed with markers of material superficial success: the clothes, the car, the name-brand degrees, the managerial titles, the fame and glamour, and more. On some level, we all fall for the simple gambit of admiring these markers, whatever they may be. Unfortunately, these markers usually have no correlation to morality or kindness or depth of human character. They are badges of entitlement for show, and we can’t help giving them credit.


5. Feeling weak or uncertain in our own lives
When people feel a lack of control in their own lives, they turn to fantasy figures or escapist outlets to regain a sense of power and ego strength. Sometimes they turn to religion and its all-powerful idealized figures, but more often, they turn to figureheads in their lives, be it celebrities, idols, and people who possess charisma and strength. These charismatic types are masters of outward confidence, self-assuredness, which is reassuring and infectious for those who feel unsteady or insecure in themselves.

When your relationship, economic situation, or happiness appears to be breaking down, it’s the allure of the person who seems to have it all together that draws you in and makes you hope for the same, even if it’s a phony promise.


6. Cowardice/passivity/false safety/survival
Some people would rather stay in the seeming safety of the sidelines, and let someone else run the show, perhaps due to fear of responsibility or retribution. This passivity can work to some extent in terms of hiding from initial attention or conflict, but it can be a dangerous way to enable tyrants to proceed unchecked.

It also allows a person to stay in a child role of sorts, and avoid ownership of their own problems as they let someone else take over. It’s a form of evasion that gives the tyrant more power, since no one is willing to confront or stop their transgression.


7. Power/popularity cliques/alignment with the ‘in’ crowd
There is a great appeal to aligning with others who also fall in line, who are in sync with the group in charge. From grade school onward, peer pressure is massive, to avoid being the “nerd” or “oddball” who doesn’t look smooth or confident. To some extent, this social pattern doesn’t change, even in adult society, although thankfully the range of acceptable confidence and avenues for self-fulfillment are much more diverse.

Unfortunately, certain career or social tracks remain narrowly defined, and the ones who align the best with the designated “norms” achieve more power and followers. Those followers enjoy basking in the glow of the successful leader’s approval and clique acceptance, even when the leader’s whims turn malicious or rely on putting others down.


8. Lack of critical thought/logic/education
It’s easier to be exploited by a confident tyrant when you don’t doubt or examine their statements or motivations with a critical eye. Unfortunately, many people seem fine with going along with the status quo, unwilling to stay informed or read about issues of importance or question items that don’t make logical sense.

They also don’t seem as skeptical or worried about too much power concentrated in the hands of any single individual, and what that can lead to. Or conversely, they are too cognitively rigid or overgeneralizing, leading to scapegoating and prejudice, which can easily be exploited.

Overall, there are understandably human tendencies, our foibles and insecurities and aspirations, that draw us to the boldness of the tyrant, but also leave us vulnerable to their ruthlessness, indifference, and exploitation. We need to maintain a healthy skepticism for any person who acts too good to be true, who never seems to doubt themselves, because ultimately, it’s normal to be flawed and unsure about life sometimes, to push forward through mistakes and confusion, and to forgive those who are still growing, changing. Overconfidence can be alluring but is ultimately a tactic, even a dangerous one. We cannot heedlessly follow tyrants.


If you think Donald Trump is tyrant you're a fugking moron.




This.
Posted By: akasparky Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by Hastings
As to the Psychology Today article. Were you relating that description toward Trump supporters? Or more appropriately toward the sycophant support of the likes of Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton?


Where ever it may fit and that's if it fits anywhere for you. Just a professionals point of view.
Posted By: jimy Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
There is a man that lives off the northbound lanes of interstate 79, just north of the Grove city exits he has had a Trump for president sign next to his house since early 2016, it is huge, I'm guessing 45 feet by 80 or 90 feet, it is fantastic !
Posted By: MontanaMan Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
I live and work in what could be described as the most liberal parts of Florida.

And I have to say, the support for Trump today, vs just a couple of years ago is incredible. People used to whisper about him when giving praise. Now it is outright full on love for our President. It is a given that law enforcement and military adore him. You wouldn't gamble speaking ill of him around any of those types. A short couple of years ago, I'd say it was 50/50.

The inter coastal water way and Biscayne Bay are littered with boats waving "TRUMP 2020" flags. Liberals that hate him stay quiet when his name is brought up. As opposed to just a couple years ago when they would scoff and laugh.

It really is incredible how well he has rallied the right in such a short amount of time.

Curious if others have seen similar in their respective areas.



I agree with that assessment but unless we can take back the House, which I see as very highly doubtful, he will continue to be hamstrung & harassed by the Demons & the media & the war on the country will not abate.

Holding the Senate will be an absolute must, but likely not a given & even if it remains as it is now, the 3 or 4 GOP votes than can never be fully counted on are a problems for ever major vote.

MM
Posted By: kid0917 Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by jimy
There is a man that lives off the northbound lanes of interstate 79, just north of the Grove city exits he has had a Trump for president sign next to his house since early 2016, it is huge, I'm guessing 45 feet by 80 or 90 feet, it is fantastic !


reminds me of a John Cougar song
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by Hastings
As to the Psychology Today article. Were you relating that description toward Trump supporters? Or more appropriately toward the sycophant support of the likes of Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton?


Where ever it may fit and that's if it fits anywhere for you. Just a professionals point of view.


LMAO.
Posted By: Osky Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Being a breed I'd just like to say this president is the best one the Americans have elected in my lifetime.
You beat us for the country, so be it. You have elected someone who wants to at least keep America strong and independent.
This is good.

Oaky
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by Osky
Being a breed I'd just like to say this president is the best one the Americans have elected in my lifetime.
You beat us for the country, so be it. You have elected someone who wants to at least keep America strong and independent.
This is good.

Oaky


Thank you.
Posted By: Springcove Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Flave you have Maiden tickets??? You lucky bastard. They’re not even playing in Utah on this tour. Enjoy.

Trump 2020 MAGA!!!
Posted By: akasparky Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave

If you think Donald Trump is tyrant you're a fugking moron.


Well that went right over your head.
Look in the mirror, I was more so thinking the tyrant here was YOU and the Psychology Today study described why so many follow your threads....
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by Springcove
Flave you have Maiden tickets??? You lucky bastard. They’re not even playing in Utah on this tour. Enjoy.

Trump 2020 MAGA!!!


I did.

We went last year.

But I do have tickets to Seinfeld at the end of the month.

Oh! George and the destroyers play here on March 7th. You KNOW I'm going to that. LOL.
Posted By: 280shooter Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky



A Connecticut lefty import. FAIL
Posted By: Springcove Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Springcove
Flave you have Maiden tickets??? You lucky bastard. They’re not even playing in Utah on this tour. Enjoy.

Trump 2020 MAGA!!!


I did.

We went last year.

But I do have tickets to Seinfeld at the end of the month.

Oh! George and the destroyers play here on March 7th. You KNOW I'm going to that. LOL.



Got to see them on Book of Souls but not this time. Enjoy.
Posted By: huntinaz Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
I would say in this blue county in AZ support for Trump doesn’t seem any more vocal. But the constant reactionary and obnoxious bad noise from the left has died down a lot
Posted By: CashisKing Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by 338Rem
Trump has/is been building a better ground game than the Dims. The Dims underestimate him at their own peril and will continue to do so.


I didn't really understand the whole Trump and Twitter thing in the beginning (I don't Tweet and ain't very bright), but after a while I realized it was just another Trump game for gaming the gamers...

He walked smack dab into the middle of Liberal Twitter Party 110% UNINVITED... sits down in his comfy chair and tweets like a madman just for the fugg of it.

Damn that makes me smile...
Posted By: EthanEdwards Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by CashisKing
Originally Posted by 338Rem
Trump has/is been building a better ground game than the Dims. The Dims underestimate him at their own peril and will continue to do so.


I didn't really understand the whole Trump and Twitter thing in the beginning (I don't Tweet and ain't very bright), but after a while I realized it was just another Trump game for gaming the gamers...

He walked smack dab into the middle of Liberal Twitter Party 110% UNINVITED... sits down in his comfy chair and tweets like a madman just for the fugg of it.

Damn that makes me smile...
It's very likely Trump has professionals hired who tweet for him. Everything is very calculated. To me, that makes the whole thing even funnier.
Posted By: BamBam Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by jimy
Trump won Pennsylvania 2016 by a narrow margin, but today his support is everywhere, signs and flags are flying proudly at homes and business alike !

His rallies here draw over flow crowds in the tens of thousands. He will win here no doubt !


Without a doubt! Bucks County Pennsylvania .it’s absolutely amazing the amount of Trump Flags being flown on trucks, houses. People Openly support him where they used to whisper his name :-)And this is not the most conservative county in Pennsylvania. Things are definitely changing!
Posted By: EthanEdwards Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
One wonders if Trump will win Virginia.
Posted By: widrahthaar Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
South Central Wisconsin is pretty damn liberal and there’s plenty of Trump support around here. A lot of vocal anti Trump
People too. Not a lot different than 2016. I think he’ll still take Wisconsin and the nation.

I do think that there is a percentage of younger voters that are a bit jaded because we had too unrealistic of expectations going into his first term. For example he’s lost some support over his weaker stance on the second amendment than what he had originally campaigned. I don’t think it’ll hurt him too much though especially with the clustefück of candidates the dems are running.
Posted By: DigitalDan Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
We have a wad of Yankee immigrants in my neighborhood, many of which are Dims. Having a donkey bumper sticker is fair close to a capital offense.
Posted By: Osky Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
It's simple. The democratic side beats you down, tells you they are smarter, demands more of your hard earned money as they blame you for the worlds ills.
The president says stand up, be strong, be proud, live your own life because it belongs to you.
I am tired of politicians apologizing in my stead for my country being as strong as we have built it.
I like the guy.

Osky
Posted By: kid0917 Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
One wonders if Trump will win Virginia.


I wish I had your mindset.
I am committed as a resistance fighter the rest of my life.
Posted By: DMc Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Addressing the original OP question.

Yes, absolutely. And the Democruds (which includes the MSM) continually parading nauseating political slugs in front of our faces is stoking our fire. They seem to miss the fact that Trump was elected because he was a non-politician.

This country is fed up! It's going to be a slaughter.
Posted By: boatammo Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
I wear my MAGA hat every day every wear I go . I get the odd dirty look but as of yet never a negative comment. When and if I ever do I will just ignore it as I don't acknowledge that dim voters deserve to be recognized as people. But what really pleases me is how many Young people say how much they like the hat. I get lots of that!
Posted By: 45_100 Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Since the democrats impeached Trump, I think his support has increased. I think a lot of people finally realized this is about overturning the last election, not a debate about the issues. Democrats have admitted they don't think they can trust the American people to make the right decision when it comes to elections.
Posted By: ldholton Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Sure hope everyone is correct about winning big.. never dearmed Obama would get a second term .
Posted By: GreatWaputi Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
I saw a Trump 2020 bumper sticker on a Prius last weekend if that's any measure.
Posted By: Cretch Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
The morning talk show here is hosted by Jimmy Cefalo. You could easily paint him a liberal.

He repeatedly states on his show that if the dems don't stop their nonsense the right could turn violent. This is not a right wing nut job. He's very middle of the road on almost every issue.

Same for Joe Rogan. He's right on some things, left on others.

But he says it almost daily. If the dems don't stop this schit they're going to get themselves killed.

I don't recall any mainstream commentators saying anything similar. Ever.


Unfortunately that may be what it is going to take to get this BS to stop.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
I live and work in what could be described as the most liberal parts of Florida.

And I have to say, the support for Trump today, vs just a couple of years ago is incredible. People used to whisper about him when giving praise. Now it is outright full on love for our President. It is a given that law enforcement and military adore him. You wouldn't gamble speaking ill of him around any of those types. A short couple of years ago, I'd say it was 50/50.

The inter coastal water way and Biscayne Bay are littered with boats waving "TRUMP 2020" flags. Liberals that hate him stay quiet when his name is brought up. As opposed to just a couple years ago when they would scoff and laugh.

It really is incredible how well he has rallied the right in such a short amount of time.

Curious if others have seen similar in their respective areas.


Thanks for that good news, Col Travis. Still, I dare you to wear a MAGA cap in public.

Of course, I wouldnt ask you to do something I wouldn't. I wear mine all the time out in public and have for 3 years.
To answer your question, most days I get people saying they like my cap. Of course, I dont live in as wonderful a place as you do. smile

I'm 10 miles from good coyote, deer, dove, quail, hog, javelins, and rabbit hunting. 50 from duck and sandhill hunting.

Surely you wouldnt be concerned about causing any problems wearing one in public. grin
Posted By: jaguartx Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky


Deep state letting Trump know they are gunning for him.

GOD bless Trump.
Posted By: WayneShaw Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
There was a thread here a day or two ago with a video about how Google can sway voters. The numbers were astounding. Add to Google, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube (Google) and just about every broadcast news outlet, that is a lot of power. Then don't discount what shenanigans the left will pull on voter fraud, vote counting, the electoral college, etc. I pray he wins.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
Originally Posted by 338Rem
Trump has/is been building a better ground game than the Dims. The Dims underestimate him at their own peril and will continue to do so.


Let us no underestimate the Dems....they control social media.


Yet Trump continues to climb.

It's astounding. And speaks volumes about the American people.

If he wins 2020 (and I think he will) there is going to be a very strong message sent to the world.


Yeah. It will mean Putin screwed the US again. wink
Posted By: jaguartx Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by Hastings
As to the Psychology Today article. Were you relating that description toward Trump supporters? Or more appropriately toward the sycophant support of the likes of Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton?


Where ever it may fit and that's if it fits anywhere for you. Just a professionals point of view.


Pukes are trying to paint Trump as a deranged King and Trumpers as idiots, as usual.

It's another case of the left accusing the right of their own actions.

Some of you ought to Google Mike Rothschilds tweets about Trump. Hes supposed to be a really sharp leftest writer. He's a freaking nut job going crazy over Trumps draining of the world's swamp, as I'd Piglosi and Nadless and Shifty.


Posted By: jaguartx Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by deflave

If you think Donald Trump is tyrant you're a fugking moron.


Well that went right over your head.
Look in the mirror, I was more so thinking the tyrant here was YOU and the Psychology Today study described why so many follow your threads....


Deflave is no tyrant. We come to him for the quality of his tongue lashings.
Posted By: scratcherky Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
The Dems are Trump's greatest supporters and can not see they keep digging their hole deeper and deeper. The Dems will get Trump reelected in 2020.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by boatammo
I wear my MAGA hat every day every wear I go . I get the odd dirty look but as of yet never a negative comment. When and if I ever do I will just ignore it as I don't acknowledge that dim voters deserve to be recognized as people. But what really pleases me is how many Young people say how much they like the hat. I get lots of that!


Same here, boat. Great news. I did have an unfriendly bleck chick cashier at HEB act a little snarky. I asked the mgr if she was feeling ok that day. He asked why and I said she was nice before until I wore my MAGA cap. Gee, I hope she got to feeling mobetter after he checked on her. smile
Posted By: jaguartx Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by WayneShaw
There was a thread here a day or two ago with a video about how Google can sway voters. The numbers were astounding. Add to Google, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube (Google) and just about every broadcast news outlet, that is a lot of power. Then don't discount what shenanigans the left will pull on voter fraud, vote counting, the electoral college, etc. I pray he wins.


Yeah, that lieberal college professor reported that to theCongress. Afterwards, he was interviewed by 6 states Atty General. Last June or July. One told him he figured he, Dr Epstein, would be dead in a few months from an accident. Dec 24 his wife was run over by a cement truck. She died Dec 27.

Dr Epistein has subsequently proclaimed to the world, and in particular to Google, he is not depressed or suicidal.

The Deep State Cabal does it's best to take care of its puppets like Zero and the Clinton's.
Posted By: CashisKing Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by deflave

If you think Donald Trump is tyrant you're a fugking moron.


... why so many follow your threads....


I follow for the free bread crumbs just like Hansel and Gretel... but those fugging birds... and iquanas (...or is that iguani).
Posted By: local_dirt Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by rem141r
haven't seen it yet in the rural parts of PA i frequent. trump stuff was everywhere in 16. i hope there isn't complacency. the schitheads in pittsburgh, philly, harrisburg and state college will be out in droves.


Yard signs are something different.

I think it's too early for those frankly.




Only seen a few yard signs for local races, so far.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT
Originally Posted by deflave
Iwork

I'm confused. I thought it was the wife that brought home the bacon, while you fried it up in a pan.


You're thinking of Dave.


You've burst my bubble, all this time I thought you just sat on a five gallon bucket beside a canal all day fision and plinkin' an occasional Iguana like all the other unemployed Miami types do..




We're all unemployed down here. And have no AC. Or hot water.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by TheKid
I live in the Oklahoma, the number of small town folks in my area who aren’t Trump supporters could probably be counted on one hand. Think I’ve see two Bernie stickers, both trucks belonged to old burned out dope smoker boomers. Dude down the street has an 8” tall decal the full width of his tailgate that says “Go Trump Go”. There’s people still rocking their Trump lawn signs from 16. I think we’ll go red here again.


The only place I've seen ANY lawn ornament signs is Wilton Manors.

They love them some Pete Bootyjeg.

LOL.




Wilton Manors is full of single agenda LGBT voters. They all want to live on top of each other.. literally.
Posted By: Hastings Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by Hastings
As to the Psychology Today article. Were you relating that description toward Trump supporters? Or more appropriately toward the sycophant support of the likes of Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton?
Where ever it may fit and that's if it fits anywhere for you. Just a professionals point of view.
What do you personally think of the average Trump supporter? You know, the usual white middle class living out away from the east or west coast. Are they the kind that would feel good about and fall for tyranny? After all West Virginia, Nebraska Oklahoma,Wyoming and a lot more went overwhelmingly for Trump. I think actually over 2600 counties voted for Trump and less than 500 for Ms.Clinton. What in the voters psychological makeup was driving that vote? Your opinion, if I may be so bold to ask?
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
I live and work in what could be described as the most liberal parts of Florida.

And I have to say, the support for Trump today, vs just a couple of years ago is incredible. People used to whisper about him when giving praise. Now it is outright full on love for our President. It is a given that law enforcement and military adore him. You wouldn't gamble speaking ill of him around any of those types. A short couple of years ago, I'd say it was 50/50.

The inter coastal water way and Biscayne Bay are littered with boats waving "TRUMP 2020" flags. Liberals that hate him stay quiet when his name is brought up. As opposed to just a couple years ago when they would scoff and laugh.

It really is incredible how well he has rallied the right in such a short amount of time.

Curious if others have seen similar in their respective areas.



Doesn't seem to be any difference in the liberal cesspool of Whitefish. They'd vote for anything or anyone that worshipped at the idol of liberal coksuckery.
Posted By: deflave Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by jaguartx


Thanks for that good news, Col Travis. Still, I dare you to wear a MAGA cap in public.

Of course, I wouldnt ask you to do something I wouldn't. I wear mine all the time out in public and have for 3 years.
To answer your question, most days I get people saying they like my cap. Of course, I dont live in as wonderful a place as you do. smile

I'm 10 miles from good coyote, deer, dove, quail, hog, javelins, and rabbit hunting. 50 from duck and sandhill hunting.

Surely you wouldnt be concerned about causing any problems wearing one in public. grin


That's kind of an idiotic thing to say.

I have a family of five and I don't live in Bum Fugk Nowhere.

Not to mention your statements on here do more to damage Trump than wearing that fugking hat could ever make up for.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by deflave
The morning talk show here is hosted by Jimmy Cefalo. You could easily paint him a liberal.

He repeatedly states on his show that if the dems don't stop their nonsense the right could turn violent. This is not a right wing nut job. He's very middle of the road on almost every issue.

Same for Joe Rogan. He's right on some things, left on others.

But he says it almost daily. If the dems don't stop this schit they're going to get themselves killed.

I don't recall any mainstream commentators saying anything similar. Ever.




Jimmy will surprise you sometimes. He'll be totally all in right wing on something, then he'll turn around and come across will some bullschit like you mentioned.

Too many helmet to helmets, maybe.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by kid0917
Originally Posted by doubletap
Originally Posted by muleshoe
Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
Originally Posted by 338Rem
Trump has/is been building a better ground game than the Dims. The Dims underestimate him at their own peril and will continue to do so.


Let us no underestimate the Dems....they control social media.



They also do the best job cheating.

So true. There are precincts in Philadelphia that didn’t have one Trump vote. Given the average intelligence in those precincts, there would have been some Trump votes just by accident.


ROFL!




That's fuggin hilarious. smile
Posted By: 35 Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
We were in Marathon and Key West last week.
It sure appears to be Trump Country down there !!
Posted By: local_dirt Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/01/20
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by deflave
I live and work in what could be described as the most liberal parts of Florida.

And I have to say, the support for Trump today, vs just a couple of years ago is incredible. People used to whisper about him when giving praise. Now it is outright full on love for our President. It is a given that law enforcement and military adore him. You wouldn't gamble speaking ill of him around any of those types. A short couple of years ago, I'd say it was 50/50.

The inter coastal water way and Biscayne Bay are littered with boats waving "TRUMP 2020" flags. Liberals that hate him stay quiet when his name is brought up. As opposed to just a couple years ago when they would scoff and laugh.

It really is incredible how well he has rallied the right in such a short amount of time.

Curious if others have seen similar in their respective areas.


Thanks for that good news, Col Travis. Still, I dare you to wear a MAGA cap in public.

Of course, I wouldnt ask you to do something I wouldn't. I wear mine all the time out in public and have for 3 years.
To answer your question, most days I get people saying they like my cap. Of course, I dont live in as wonderful a place as you do. smile

I'm 10 miles from good coyote, deer, dove, quail, hog, javelins, and rabbit hunting. 50 from duck and sandhill hunting.

Surely you wouldnt be concerned about causing any problems wearing one in public. grin




My neighbor is flying a YUGE Trump 2020 flag under his Stars & Stripes.

No reports of vandalism by the commies across the street at the school yet (Teachers, admins, parents)..
Posted By: stevelyn Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/02/20
Although Alaska has more than its fair share of the free schitt crowd, it'll still very likely go to Trump.

The D'craps have nothing to offer other than their Marxist class warfare, treasonous d-baggery and sowing seeds of hate and discontent.

They can't argue against the booming economy, the tax cuts that created it and gave us all more disposable income, the record low unemployment across all demographics, but especially noticeable in the so-called minority populations. They can't argue against the strong foreign policy and military victories achieved at minimal risks. The reaching out to hostile countries and opening dialogue with them. The spankin' new replacement for NAFTA and hopefully a meaningful forthcoming fair-trade agreement with China.

Most importantly of all, he has positively changed the judiciary from the district level up, for a long time to come. The only loose ends that need tied up is for the Bolshevik cuhnt RBG to take her place in hell to make room for a decent SCOTUS justice for the next 20-25 years or more.

Not to mention the border wall that seems to be quietly proceeding.

Trump 2020 KAG!
Posted By: ltppowell Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/02/20
The most conservative candidate that the liberals give us will always get our vote.
Posted By: kingston Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/02/20
Originally Posted by jimy
There is a man that lives off the northbound lanes of interstate 79, just north of the Grove city exits he has had a Trump for president sign next to his house since early 2016, it is huge, I'm guessing 45 feet by 80 or 90 feet, it is fantastic !


Yesterday in Massachusetts, I saw a kid in his early 20’s at the grocery store wearing a bright red MAKE AMERICA GREAT sweatshirt. I did a double take and gave him a thumbs up!
Posted By: Idaho_Shooter Re: TRUMP 2016 vs 2020 - 02/02/20
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by deflave


Yet Trump continues to climb.

It's astounding. And speaks volumes about the American people.



Psychology Today sums it up like this,

Why Do People Follow Tyrants?
History repeats itself because of human nature.


Time and time again in history, and today even in workplaces and beyond, it seems that a certain personality type keeps cropping up in positions of power: the tyrant. They are strikingly similar—charismatic and charming but also calculating and cruel.

They tend to have a blend of narcissistic and antisocial personality disorder traits such as a lack of empathy, grandiosity, thirst for power and control, lying and deceit, indifference to conventional laws or rules or morality, and more. The noted psychoanalyst Otto Kernberg and others often coined this type the “malignant narcissist.”

While people often discuss the history of malignant behavior and records of sadism and the horrific aftermath of these tyrants, what is discussed less often is that these leaders do not and cannot rise in a vacuum; they come to power on the backs of the masses they ultimately disdain and discard at will. It’s the people who follow these bully dictator types that we need to examine and reflect on as well; why do people worship and enable these leaders? What is it in human nature that makes us vulnerable to this repeated cycle of cruelty and danger?

Here I focus on some of the voluntary reasons people follow tyrants, although clearly these types also excel at abuse and involuntary manipulation and coercion of people to their own ends, such as blackmail, outright threats, gaslighting, leverage and control through associated friends and family members, and more. But with surprising ease, people also can easily worship and follow tyrants willingly.

1. A craving for strong parental figures
One fundamental concern in human nature, that draws them to the idea of a higher authority or power, is the need for an idealized parental figure. Partly because while growing up, parents loom large as the overseers of your consciousness. Conversely, they can devastate you with their absence or cruelty.

They are the basis for your survival during childhood; and when things go awry with flawed parents or parental figures, for many, the craving for the support of a strong, perfect-seeming, powerful “parent” only increases. Unfortunately, this thirst for such a figure can obscure one to the truth that no such perfect figure exists; and a tyrannical leader can easily exploit and thrive off of this unquestioning worship.


2. Assuming the best in others/faith/naïve idealism
Sometimes, unfortunately, it’s our goodwill and faith in human kindness that can doom us to manipulation. In a healthy society, mutual trust is a cornerstone of community strength, in exchange for abiding by general moral rules of community support.

But sometimes that leaves us vulnerable to those who don’t play by the same rules we do. We assume that any human being will appreciate or exchange the same social contract of mutual respect and generosity and empathy and fairness that most of us try to strive for. But sadly, we underestimate the machinations of sociopaths who mimic and use this generosity while at their core, having no concern for others. We assume the best of each other, which works in many cases, but is also an Achilles heel to the cold exploitativeness of sociopathic behavior.

Complicating matters is that such behavior occurs on a spectrum; clear and obvious “rulebreakers” like serial killers are one thing, but what about those who still abide by certain social graces on the surface, while at their core just pursuing their self-interest to varying degrees? Where do we draw the line between paranoid mistrust and oblivious naiveté? This grey zone of trust is where sociopaths thrive.


3. Wish fulfillment and admiration of transgressive behavior and confidence
On some level, maybe we ourselves admire or envy the shark, even if we feel held back in our own lives for whatever reason from eating prey. Whether you are a secret shark lying in wait, seeing where you can bend the rules one day, or whether you envy what they win for themselves—confidence, power, or money—because you feel those are impossible goals for yourself, maybe you identify with and admire predatory behavior on some level.

Maybe on some level, you admire the dark side that you suppress within yourself or feel you couldn’t pursue due to other constraints, and you enjoy the apparent freedom with which those individuals break rules and achieve glory.


4. Drawn to superficial markers (money, looks, status)
Humans are sadly status-oriented creatures, partly due to evolutionary behavior. The animal with the brightest plumage, who beats their chest the loudest, who appears with certain desirable physical attributes, who presents themselves as special or unusual gets more mating attention. Even babies and children are drawn to certain faces perceived as “attractive.”

And particularly in our modern capitalist society, we are obsessed with markers of material superficial success: the clothes, the car, the name-brand degrees, the managerial titles, the fame and glamour, and more. On some level, we all fall for the simple gambit of admiring these markers, whatever they may be. Unfortunately, these markers usually have no correlation to morality or kindness or depth of human character. They are badges of entitlement for show, and we can’t help giving them credit.


5. Feeling weak or uncertain in our own lives
When people feel a lack of control in their own lives, they turn to fantasy figures or escapist outlets to regain a sense of power and ego strength. Sometimes they turn to religion and its all-powerful idealized figures, but more often, they turn to figureheads in their lives, be it celebrities, idols, and people who possess charisma and strength. These charismatic types are masters of outward confidence, self-assuredness, which is reassuring and infectious for those who feel unsteady or insecure in themselves.

When your relationship, economic situation, or happiness appears to be breaking down, it’s the allure of the person who seems to have it all together that draws you in and makes you hope for the same, even if it’s a phony promise.


6. Cowardice/passivity/false safety/survival
Some people would rather stay in the seeming safety of the sidelines, and let someone else run the show, perhaps due to fear of responsibility or retribution. This passivity can work to some extent in terms of hiding from initial attention or conflict, but it can be a dangerous way to enable tyrants to proceed unchecked.

It also allows a person to stay in a child role of sorts, and avoid ownership of their own problems as they let someone else take over. It’s a form of evasion that gives the tyrant more power, since no one is willing to confront or stop their transgression.


7. Power/popularity cliques/alignment with the ‘in’ crowd
There is a great appeal to aligning with others who also fall in line, who are in sync with the group in charge. From grade school onward, peer pressure is massive, to avoid being the “nerd” or “oddball” who doesn’t look smooth or confident. To some extent, this social pattern doesn’t change, even in adult society, although thankfully the range of acceptable confidence and avenues for self-fulfillment are much more diverse.

Unfortunately, certain career or social tracks remain narrowly defined, and the ones who align the best with the designated “norms” achieve more power and followers. Those followers enjoy basking in the glow of the successful leader’s approval and clique acceptance, even when the leader’s whims turn malicious or rely on putting others down.


8. Lack of critical thought/logic/education
It’s easier to be exploited by a confident tyrant when you don’t doubt or examine their statements or motivations with a critical eye. Unfortunately, many people seem fine with going along with the status quo, unwilling to stay informed or read about issues of importance or question items that don’t make logical sense.

They also don’t seem as skeptical or worried about too much power concentrated in the hands of any single individual, and what that can lead to. Or conversely, they are too cognitively rigid or overgeneralizing, leading to scapegoating and prejudice, which can easily be exploited.

Overall, there are understandably human tendencies, our foibles and insecurities and aspirations, that draw us to the boldness of the tyrant, but also leave us vulnerable to their ruthlessness, indifference, and exploitation. We need to maintain a healthy skepticism for any person who acts too good to be true, who never seems to doubt themselves, because ultimately, it’s normal to be flawed and unsure about life sometimes, to push forward through mistakes and confusion, and to forgive those who are still growing, changing. Overconfidence can be alluring but is ultimately a tactic, even a dangerous one. We cannot heedlessly follow tyrants.


Oh, so that is how Obama got elected.
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