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An interesting tidbit. It takes 17 hours for a radio signal to reach Voyager 2.

https://www.inverse.com/science/nas...ack-online-11.5-billion-miles-from-earth


In an incredible feat of remote engineering, NASA has fixed one of the most intrepid explorers in human history. Voyager 2, currently some 11.5 billion miles from Earth, is back online and resuming its mission to collect scientific data on the solar system and the interstellar space beyond.

By Passant Rabie

On Wednesday, February 5 at 10:00 p.m. Eastern, NASA's Voyager Twitter account gave out the good news: Voyager 2 is not only stable, but is back at its critical science mission.
"My twin is back to taking science data, and the team at @NASAJPL is evaluating the health of the instruments after their brief shutoff," the account tweeted.
Voyager 2 is sister craft to Voyager 1. Both have been traveling through the solar system — and now beyond it — for the last four decades. Together, they have transformed our understanding of our stellar neighborhood and are already revealing unprecedented information about the interstellar space beyond the Sun's sphere of influence.

In a statement, NASA confirmed that Voyager 2 is back in business.
"Mission operators report that Voyager 2 continues to be stable and that communications between the Earth and the spacecraft are good."
"The spacecraft has resumed taking science data, and the science teams are now evaluating the health of the instruments," the agency said.
The fix is no mean feat: It takes 17 hours one-way to communicate with Voyager 2 from Earth, which is the furthest away manmade object in space. That means a single information relay takes 34 hours.

What happened to Voyager 2?
The spacecraft had run into trouble on January 28, when NASA revealed that it had unexpectedly — and for unknown reasons — shut down. The world held its breath.
As Inverse reported at the time, Voyager 2 went black right before it was scheduled for a maneuver in which the spacecraft rotates 360 degrees in order to calibrate one of its instruments onboard.
But the spacecraft didn't make the move. As a result, two of its systems — both of which consume a lot of power — were running at the same time, according to a statement by NASA.
The likeliest problem was that the spacecraft was using up too much of its available power supply, which triggered protection software. The software automatically turns off Voyager 2’s science instruments when there is a power overload to save on power. It only has a finite supply, after all.
As of writing, NASA hasn't confirmed or denied whether that is what actually happened. Only time will tell whether the agency ever gets an answer to what went wrong. But for now, we can all rest assured that Voyager 2's mission is far from over yet. If all goes well, it should have another five years of life left, meaning five more years of data collection from an area of space we humans have no other way of studying.
34 hours for a single communication relay. Wow
remarkable, considering how old the equipment actually is on V2.
Originally Posted by Hawk_Driver
34 hours for a single communication relay. Wow

Pfft, that nothing. Some couples have longer periods than between speaking to each other. whistle
Lennie: Do any of you "scientific types" know or remember if "radio waves" travel at the speed of light - or not?
I am cornfused/can't remember.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Radio is speed of sound.
At least I thought so.
Electronic transmissions are S-o-L.
Originally Posted by Hawk_Driver
Radio is speed of sound.
At least I thought so.


Nyet
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Lennie: Do any of you "scientific types" know or remember if "radio waves" travel at the speed of light - or not?
I am cornfused/can't remember.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy


Yes they do.
Per wiki which everyone can source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_wave

"Speed, wavelength, and frequency

Radio waves in a vacuum travel at the speed of light.[6][7] When passing through a material medium, they are slowed according to that object's permeability and permittivity. Air is thin enough that in the Earth's atmosphere radio waves travel very close to the speed of light.

The wavelength is the distance from one peak of the wave's electric field (wave's peak/crest) to the next, and is inversely proportional to the frequency of the wave. The distance a radio wave travels in one second, in a vacuum, is 299,792,458 meters (983,571,056 ft) which is the wavelength of a 1 hertz radio signal. A 1 megahertz radio signal has a wavelength of 299.8 meters (984 ft).
"

It’s really incredible how durable voyager 2 is. Decades in the cold and radiation of space and it still works.

Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Lennie: Do any of you "scientific types" know or remember if "radio waves" travel at the speed of light - or not?
I am cornfused/can't remember.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy



I'm pretty sure radio transmission waves travel at the speed of light -- approx. 186,000 miles per sec.

If they traveled at the speed of sound -- approx.1,100 feet per sec, or 766 miles per hour -- they would definitely take a great deal longer measured in years not hours for just a single completed transmission.





One hell of an antenna. And the sunlight must be practically nothing out there
186,000 miles per sec for light and radio waves. Sound is approx 766 miles per hour.
I remember now. It collided with a probe from another system. Repaired itself part way, then spock fixed it. Or was it malevolent by then?
Even a bigger accomplishment than the pluto craft.
Originally Posted by kennyd
I remember now. It collided with a probe from another system. Repaired itself part way, then spock fixed it. Or was it malevolent by then?
Even a bigger accomplishment than the pluto craft.

Damn, I was just about to make the same reference, but you beat me to it. Yes, one Star Trek (Original Series) episode was based on that concept, and the first Star Trek movie was as well. In fact the first Star Trek movie was based on Voyager itself taking damage somewhere in deep space, then being repaired by a race of sentient robots (or something like that), but with all sorts of improvement (super intelligence and vast powers), and it's mission getting screwed up to where it wanted to return to earth in order to destroy it.
Originally Posted by Hawk_Driver
Radio is speed of sound.
At least I thought so.



LMAOROF thats a good one

Hmmm Certainly seems a handy coincidence, now that NASA is asking for more funding.
All they did was turn it off for two minutes, then turn it back on again.
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Lennie: Do any of you "scientific types" know or remember if "radio waves" travel at the speed of light - or not?
I am cornfused/can't remember.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy


In the vacuum of space, Radio waves travel at speed of light. Do a Google search

Radio waves are a type of electromagnetic radiation with wavelengths in the electromagnetic spectrum longer than infrared light. Radio waves have frequencies as high as 300 gigahertz (GHz) to as low as 30 hertz (Hz). At 300 GHz, the corresponding wavelength is 1 mm, and at 30 Hz is 10,000 km. Like all other electromagnetic waves, radio waves travel at the speed of light in vacuum. They are generated by electric charges undergoing acceleration, such as time varying electric currents. Naturally occurring radio waves are emitted by lightning and astronomical objects.
So decades ago they had the tech to make something that will communicate over a billion miles away in space.. and now in 2020 I can't get cell service 5 miles away from a cell tower..

Whatever.
Originally Posted by Musicianized
So decades ago they had the tech to make something that will communicate over a billion miles away in space.. and now in 2020 I can't get cell service 5 miles away from a cell tower..

Whatever.


Lol
Originally Posted by Musicianized
So decades ago they had the tech to make something that will communicate over a billion miles away in space.. and now in 2020 I can't get cell service 5 miles away from a cell tower..

Whatever.


lol, yes, we also used to say "We can put a man on the moon and bring him back, but we can't get a college basketball scoreboard to work for a full 1/2 of a game"

My newest amazement; we can put LED lights on a pickup truck that are guaranteed to last 25 years, but show me 3 new GM vehicles in a row that have all of them actually working!!!.
Originally Posted by kennyd
One hell of an antenna. And the sunlight must be practically nothing out there



The best available at the time...

[Linked Image]

Radio Shack, of course!
The Voyager probes do not rely on solar power - they are old-fashioned nuclear-powered probes!

They are each powered by three MHW-RTGs, with heat from nine RHUs (Radioisotope Heater Units).

The Multihundred-Watt radioisotope thermoelectric generators (MHW RTG) is a type of US radioisotope thermoelectric generator (RTG) developed for the Voyager spacecrafts, Voyager 1 and Voyager 2.
Each RTG had a total weight of 37.7 kg including about 4.5 kg of Pu-238. It uses 24 pressed plutonium-238 oxide spheres and provides enough heat to generate approximately 157 watts of electrical power initially - halving every 87.7 years.
Collectively, the RTGs supplied each Voyager spacecraft with 470 watts at launch.
An RHU contains a Pu-238 fuel pellet about the size of a pencil eraser and outputs about 1 Watt of heat. (The entire RHU is about the size of a C-cell battery.)
Absolutely correct, Blackbat. Thanks.

One reason why the Voyager missions will last only a few more years is available power from the RTGs. The other is pure distance. Voyager transmits at only 25 watts, about the power of a refrigerator lightbulb. At two billion miles plus the signal at our end is incredibly weak. It takes huge dish antennas to even detect it, and today's computer power to "read" the signal. Not long from now, the signal will be too weak to detect. Voyager is moving away from us at 46,000 miles per hour, and its distance from us also varies with where around the sun the Earth happens to be.
Originally Posted by Lennie


By Passant Rabie


What a name. In school you just know he was called Piss-ant Rabies.
BayouRover and Joken2: Thank you both for the clarification/answers. They were much appreciated.
And now I know - I just couldn't remember or imagine radio waves attaining that speed - however that happens.
Thanks again.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Originally Posted by Musicianized
So decades ago they had the tech to make something that will communicate over a billion miles away in space.. and now in 2020 I can't get cell service 5 miles away from a cell tower..

Whatever.



So...you have Consumer Cellular also. smirk
Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by Musicianized
So decades ago they had the tech to make something that will communicate over a billion miles away in space.. and now in 2020 I can't get cell service 5 miles away from a cell tower..

Whatever.



So...you have Consumer Cellular also. smirk


Even better.. Sprint
I wonder if they can even use a solar panel that far out. How can a 40 year old battery still be working, and if they are, why can't I get one for my truck?
Originally Posted by reivertom
I wonder if they can even use a solar panel that far out. How can a 40 year old battery still be working, and if they are, why can't I get one for my truck?

Because the type of battery they use in space probes would be lethal to be anywhere near for any significant length of time, unless it were encased in lead. It would be like constantly getting an X-Ray, otherwise.
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
It’s really incredible how durable voyager 2 is. Decades in the cold and radiation of space and it still works.



Interstellar warming. That's our fault too.

Osky
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by reivertom
I wonder if they can even use a solar panel that far out. How can a 40 year old battery still be working, and if they are, why can't I get one for my truck?

Because the type of battery they use in space probes would be lethal to be anywhere near for any significant length of time, unless it were encased in lead. It would be like constantly getting an X-Ray, otherwise.

I'd risk it if it lasted more than 5 years.
Aliens probably gonna exterminate us all ...

Being forced to watch TV westerns from the 50,s and 60,s and Gilligans Island reruns 24/7 for decades....

And now The View and Masked Singer are heading their way also.....
Originally Posted by renegade50
Aliens probably gonna exterminate us all ...

Being forced to watch TV westerns from the 50,s and 60,s and Gilligans Island reruns 24/7 for decades....

And now The View and Masked Singer are heading their way also.....

That was once an argument for the position that we were likely the only intelligent life in our galaxy. The premise was that, if there was intelligent life somewhere out there, they would have picked up all our TV and radio signals, and responded back by now. But it turns out that's not a good argument, because apparently those signals corrupt so quickly that, before reaching even the nearest star, they'd be indistinguishable from background noise.
Originally Posted by reivertom
I wonder if they can even use a solar panel that far out. How can a 40 year old battery still be working, and if they are, why can't I get one for my truck?



If you’ll bother to read just 6 posts back (I know that’s a whole lot to ask) but a member named Blackbat (and it’s even on the same page as you)
He explains the use of “Multihundred-Watt radioisotope thermoelectric generators (MHW RTG)” type system.

He goes on further in detail.

So thorough, he even educated the guy on here from NASA.
Pretty hard to smack the side of the cabinet from that distance. Amazing that communication is even possible over such a span.
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by reivertom
I wonder if they can even use a solar panel that far out. How can a 40 year old battery still be working, and if they are, why can't I get one for my truck?



If you’ll bother to read just 6 posts back (I know that’s a whole lot to ask) but a member named Blackbat (and it’s even on the same page as you)
He explains the use of “Multihundred-Watt radioisotope thermoelectric generators (MHW RTG)” type system.

He goes on further in detail.

So thorough, he even educated the guy on here from NASA.



I still want one. I keep getting lousy batteries these days. :^)


PS it was more like 15 posts back.......take you shoes off to count next time. It wasn't any trouble at all, I just didn't see it.
If I had those batteries they still corrode the inside of my maglite after 30 days.

So much for being prepared.
Originally Posted by 1minute
Pretty hard to smack the side of the cabinet from that distance. Amazing that communication is even possible over such a span.


Yet the first space launches were ran with computers less powerful than a modern iPhone.
Originally Posted by kennyd
I remember now. It collided with a probe from another system. Repaired itself part way, then spock fixed it. Or was it malevolent by then? Even a bigger accomplishment than the pluto craft.


Correct. And this was the result:

The MIGHTY V-GINY

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
Originally Posted by reivertom
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by reivertom
I wonder if they can even use a solar panel that far out. How can a 40 year old battery still be working, and if they are, why can't I get one for my truck?



If you’ll bother to read just 6 posts back (I know that’s a whole lot to ask) but a member named Blackbat (and it’s even on the same page as you)
He explains the use of “Multihundred-Watt radioisotope thermoelectric generators (MHW RTG)” type system.

He goes on further in detail.

So thorough, he even educated the guy on here from NASA.



I still want one. I keep getting lousy batteries these days. :^)


PS it was more like 15 posts back.......take you shoes off to count next time. It wasn't any trouble at all, I just didn't see it.

I need one for my beard trimmer ...
Wonder if they come in AA????
At what point does V'Ger start wending it's way back towards earth?
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
At what point does V'Ger start wending it's way back towards earth?


Never. It's headed for the stars.
Some day some aliens will find it floating around out there and laugh at the primitive technology...
Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
At what point does V'Ger start wending it's way back towards earth?


Never. It's headed for the stars.

Not a Star Trek fan, are you?
Originally Posted by bobski
remarkable, considering how old the equipment actually is on V2.
No kidding.... Wow...
That "aliens watching TV shows" and coming for us has no bearing in reality.

We've been transmitting TV signals for less than a century. There are very few stars of any kind within 100 light years of us - which is as far as those signals have gotten. And none of those stars have habitable planets as far as we know. The nearest intelligent species out there is at least thousands if not millions - or billions - of light years away. Unless they have developed means of travel we cannot even imagine at thousands of times the speed of light, there is simply no way for them to ever get here. Or know that there'd be a reason to start the trip, for that matter.
Originally Posted by Hawk_Driver
34 hours for a single communication relay. Wow

They must be using Verizon Wireless
RockyRaab- "The nearest intelligent species out there is at least thousands if not millions - or billions - of light years away"

Rocky- according to WIKI- the closest possibly inhabitable planet is Proxima Centauri and 'only' 4.5 light years away. Close....in space terms but considering the original Voyager traveling at the hard to image speeds is maybe 14.5 billion miles away or so ( guess on my part) that is a long way from a light year's 6 trillion.

Something I learned while looking that up was that Voyager 1 was evidently meant to send info back to the northern hemisphere while V2 was to the southern. Makes sense but I hadn't even considered.....
The better description would be "Earth-like." Meaning that planet might be capable of supporting life as we know it. "Life" does not mean intelligent beings, however. Slime mold qualifies as life, as do bacteria. We have seen no signs of intelligent life anywhere - so far. Even odd signals that might hint at other than natural sources come from millions of light years away - and therefore were generated millions of years ago.
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