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Posted By: Rock Chuck 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
A guy in Kirkland, WA. That makes a total of 1. That's minuscule compared to auto accidents, drug OD's, knifings, or the flu. While the number of cases is slowly growing, this is hardly a pandemic. It's just a media free for all.

CORONAVIRUS
Posted By: Tarquin Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
A guy in Kirkland, WA. That makes a total of 1. That's minuscule compared to auto accidents, drug OD's, knifings, or the flu. While the number of cases is slowly growing, this is hardly a pandemic. It's just a media free for all.

CORONAVIRUS


It depends. If the lethality rate is 23 times that of flu (and it's likely to be much higher in poor countries) and if it is every bit as contagious as flu (or more so) then, it could be a big deal. They say populations over 60 are most at risk, which means guys like a lot of us here.
Posted By: watch4bear Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
https://www.breitbart.com/health/20...-coronavirus-could-be-no-worse-than-flu/
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
There’s no reason to not take this seriously. There’s also no reason to freak out.

It would only be akin to an auto accident mortality rate for a world where 23 people own cars.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Did it say how old he was?


Imunocompromised?


I only ask because I have ad blocker........
Posted By: NDsnowman Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Can we blame the governor of Washington? Really no different than Trump being blamed for every bad thing that happens.
Posted By: slumlord Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Did it say how old he was?


Imunocompromised?


I only ask because I have ad blocker........



This:

A spokesperson for EvergreenHealth Medical Center, Kayse Dahl, said the person died in the facility in the Seattle suburb of Kirkland, but gave no other details.
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Did it say how old he was?


Imunocompromised?


I only ask because I have ad blocker........





It didn’t. I’ve read the patient referred to as a he and as a she. No other details appear to have been released.
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Trump and team is on discussing now.
Posted By: Tarquin Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
I think they said he was 60 and had pre-existing health problems, IIRC.
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
They’re referring to the patient who died as a woman.
Posted By: Tarquin Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20



That would be good news.
Here's the quote from Our President:

"She was a wonderful woman a medically high-risk patient in her late 50s."
Posted By: Tstorm1 Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Cautious and informed yes, panicked no.

Statistics...numbers that 90% or the time can be made to say 10% or less of what they actually mean. I don't think most of the countries reporting the stats are telling the whole story. Agree media is making a huge deal of this and the stock markets around the world are responding, but is it worse than the flu, measles, shingles, etc? If reports about the Korean Air stewardess are correct containment failed. For most of us that listened to our grandparents talk about disease and our parents didn't run us to the doctor for every sniffle I think we'll be fine.

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Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Did it say how old he was?


Imunocompromised?


I only ask because I have ad blocker........



In his 50's. The article I read didn't say how his health was otherwise.
Posted By: Squidge Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
More suspected cases in Kirkland Washington.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa-cdc-idUSKBN20N11E

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Officials from Washington said on Saturday that two of three confirmed coronavirus cases in the state had links to a long-term care facility in the city of Kirkland, and more than 50 other residents and staff of the facility could be symptomatic.

It was unclear whether a patient who died from coronavirus in Washington - reported earlier on Saturday - was connected to the facility. The death was of a male in his 50s with underlying health conditions, according to officials.

Jeff Duchin, a public health official in Seattle and King County, said that 27 residents and 25 staff members of long-term care facility Life Care had “some sort of symptoms.”


Posted By: jaguartx Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Whoa.
Posted By: Mannlicher Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Blown all out of proportion and reality by a media and dhimmicrat party that has weaponized the story to harm Trump.
Posted By: rem141r Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
25 years old. marathon runner, healthy as a horse. hasn't left his house in months. dead in 2 days.

that ought to get the ball rolling. now for a nap.
Posted By: Terryk Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
Blown all out of proportion and reality by a media and dhimmicrat party that has weaponized the story to harm Trump.



CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 32 million flu illnesses, 310,000 hospitalizations and 18,000 deaths from flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
Posted By: 700LH Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
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Flu deaths up in the new year: CDCFlu deaths are up more than 65% so far in 2020, with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reporting that 4,800 people had died and 87,000 people had been hospitalized.Feb 21, 2020


4,800 deaths this year where's the panic?

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So far, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC.


https://abcnews.go.com/Health/1300-people-died-flu-year/story?id=67754182
Posted By: dye7barrel Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Bummer all the way around.
Posted By: chlinstructor Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
Blown all out of proportion and reality by a media and dhimmicrat party that has weaponized the story to harm Trump.


Yep
Posted By: TBREW401 Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
One-- so far--
Posted By: kid0917 Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Originally Posted by rem141r
25 years old. marathon runner, healthy as a horse. hasn't left his house in months. dead in 2 days.

that ought to get the ball rolling. now for a nap.


??? quien es?
Posted By: Oldelkhunter Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
A guy in Kirkland, WA. That makes a total of 1. That's minuscule compared to auto accidents, drug OD's, knifings, or the flu. While the number of cases is slowly growing, this is hardly a pandemic. It's just a media free for all.

CORONAVIRUS


It depends. If the lethality rate is 23 times that of flu (and it's likely to be much higher in poor countries) and if it is every bit as contagious as flu (or more so) then, it could be a big deal. They say populations over 60 are most at risk, which means guys like a lot of us here.


23x that is a bald faced lie.
327 Million people in this country.

1 corona death.

Must be time to shut the place down.
Posted By: kid0917 Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter


23x that is a bald faced lie.


I thought it was "bold-faced"
could be wrong though
Posted By: OAM Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Originally Posted by rem141r
25 years old. marathon runner, healthy as a horse. hasn't left his house in months. dead in 2 days.

that ought to get the ball rolling. now for a nap.

Hasnt left the house in months? How healthy could he be? At the very least I would question mental health.
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
A guy in Kirkland, WA. That makes a total of 1. That's minuscule compared to auto accidents, drug OD's, knifings, or the flu. While the number of cases is slowly growing, this is hardly a pandemic. It's just a media free for all.

CORONAVIRUS


It depends. If the lethality rate is 23 times that of flu (and it's likely to be much higher in poor countries) and if it is every bit as contagious as flu (or more so) then, it could be a big deal. They say populations over 60 are most at risk, which means guys like a lot of us here.


Best we can tell, same populations at risk for the regular flu are at risk for Corona.

Keep in mind, at 23x number is likely inflated. People with mild cases are much less likely to head to the hospital and get tested.
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
A guy in Kirkland, WA. That makes a total of 1. That's minuscule compared to auto accidents, drug OD's, knifings, or the flu. While the number of cases is slowly growing, this is hardly a pandemic. It's just a media free for all.

CORONAVIRUS


It depends. If the lethality rate is 23 times that of flu (and it's likely to be much higher in poor countries) and if it is every bit as contagious as flu (or more so) then, it could be a big deal. They say populations over 60 are most at risk, which means guys like a lot of us here.


23x that is a bald faced lie.
Actually, the death rate from corona has been about 3.3% so far for known cases. The CDC has reported between 32 and 45 million cases of the flu in the US since Oct and 18 to 46000 deaths. Using the midpoint of those estimates comes out to a death rate of .08%. That makes the rate for corona about 40x higher. Those numbers are readily verifiable on the web.
Posted By: Squidge Re: 1st US corona death - 02/29/20
There is still alot to learn about this new virus, the more we know the better prepared we will be.

More details on the situation in Kirkland.

https://arstechnica.com/science/202...the-us-first-possible-outbreak-reported/

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Health officials in Washington state reported three grim new features of the coronavirus situation in the US Saturday. They reported the country’s first death, the first case in a healthcare worker, and the first possible outbreak.

In a press briefing held by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, health officer at Public Health of Seattle and King County, announced that there are three new presumptive cases of COVID-19 in the county, including the person who died. All of the cases appear to be from undetected spread of the new coronavirus in the community. The cases were identified because the state just recently gained the ability to do its own testing.

Two of the cases are linked to a long-term care facility called Life Care in Kirkland, Washington, east of Seattle. One of the cases is in a healthcare worker at the facility, a woman in her 40s who is said to be in “satisfactory” condition. She has no known travel outside of the US. The other is a resident of the facility, a woman in her 70s. She is in serious condition.

The cases likely represent the start of an outbreak at the facility, which has approximately 108 residents and 180 staff. So far, 27 residents and 25 staff have reported some COVID-19 symptoms, Dr. Duchin said.

An outbreak of COVID-19 at a nursing home is particularly alarming since the data on the disease so far has clearly shown that the people most at risk of getting infected and having life-threatening disease are the elderly and people with underlying health conditions—such as cardiovascular disease, lung conditions, and diabetes.
Posted By: Steve Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Tarquin

It depends. If the lethality rate is 23 times that of flu (and it's likely to be much higher in poor countries) and if it is every bit as contagious as flu (or more so) then, it could be a big deal. They say populations over 60 are most at risk, which means guys like a lot of us here.


23x that is a bald faced lie.


No. He's about right. Average lethality rate for influenza is .1%. So far Covid19 is ~2.5%. That's 25x. Now the Covid numbers are probably lower than that due as many cases are probably unreported and they didn't die. But it's certainly more lethal.
Posted By: Musicianized Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
A guy in Kirkland, WA. That makes a total of 1. That's minuscule compared to auto accidents, drug OD's, knifings, or the flu. While the number of cases is slowly growing, this is hardly a pandemic. It's just a media free for all.

CORONAVIRUS


It depends. If the lethality rate is 23 times that of flu (and it's likely to be much higher in poor countries) and if it is every bit as contagious as flu (or more so) then, it could be a big deal. They say populations over 60 are most at risk, which means guys like a lot of us here.


23x that is a bald faced lie.


.01 vs 2.3 Sorry it's not a lie at all now apologize
Posted By: Scott_Thornley Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Tarquin

It depends. If the lethality rate is 23 times that of flu (and it's likely to be much higher in poor countries) and if it is every bit as contagious as flu (or more so) then, it could be a big deal. They say populations over 60 are most at risk, which means guys like a lot of us here.


23x that is a bald faced lie.


No. He's about right. Average lethality rate for influenza is .1%. So far Covid19 is ~2.5%. That's 25x. Now the Covid numbers are probably lower than that due as many cases are probably unreported and they didn't die. But it's certainly more lethal.


Hey! Stop trying to tank the stock mark so that Trump loses in November!!
Posted By: Steve Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by Scott_Thornley
Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Tarquin

It depends. If the lethality rate is 23 times that of flu (and it's likely to be much higher in poor countries) and if it is every bit as contagious as flu (or more so) then, it could be a big deal. They say populations over 60 are most at risk, which means guys like a lot of us here.


23x that is a bald faced lie.


No. He's about right. Average lethality rate for influenza is .1%. So far Covid19 is ~2.5%. That's 25x. Now the Covid numbers are probably lower than that due as many cases are probably unreported and they didn't die. But it's certainly more lethal.


Hey! Stop trying to tank the stock mark so that Trump loses in November!!


laugh
Posted By: Steve Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Posted By: OldmanoftheSea Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by kid0917
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter


23x that is a bald faced lie.


I thought it was "bold-faced"
could be wrong though

You just might be...

Thought I think I have heard both.

"Bald faced" not bothering to hide the fact that even you don't believe what you are saying?

I am probably wrong on that last bit..
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Anybody else feel like the US govt has been lying to us about the virus in the USA?

A guy dies from it in Wash. state on Friday, who just Thursday said they did not have cases. Now the nursing home is full of it and they have known that they were exhibiting unusual symptoms across the facility for nearly a week. A high-school kid has had symptoms for at least a week, and has gone to school off and on, but just now they decide that he is positive. 140 health care workers are under quarantine from UC Davis, which supposedly is one of the best containment facilities in the nation and was prewarned about the incoming patient transfer. 8400 travelers remain under attention in Cali alone, but all have been allowed to return directly from China and wander around their hometowns with no forced quarantine.

This virus is already spreading across the west coast via community transmission, and it will continue to spread. There is no longer containment possible in the United States. So now we will all get to see what the real Rnaught and death rates turn out to be.

"No testing, nothing to report, no official problem"--seems to be the mantra of lying govts everywhere.

PS-the governor of NYS just said that it is "inevitable" that NY will have a case soon. Want to make a bet that they already have a positive test and will announce it late Sunday afternoon, as though it showed up out of nowhere?
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Originally Posted by kid0917
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter


23x that is a bald faced lie.


I thought it was "bold-faced"
could be wrong though

You just might be...

Thought I think I have heard both.

"Bald faced" not bothering to hide the fact that even you don't believe what you are saying?

I am probably wrong on that last bit..

Stolen from the web:

They're both correct; they just happen to have two slightly different meanings. A bald-faced lie -- or barefaced, as it's often called in England -- means one that is undisguised and clearly untrue. A bold-faced lie, on the other hand, is one that is impudent or disrespectful
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Anybody else feel like the US govt has been lying to us about the virus in the USA?

A guy dies from it in Wash. state on Friday, who just Thursday said they did not have cases. Now the nursing home is full of it and they have known that they were exhibiting unusual symptoms across the facility for nearly a week. A high-school kid has had symptoms for at least a week, and has gone to school off and on, but just now they decide that he is positive. 140 health care workers are under quarantine from UC Davis, which supposedly is one of the best containment facilities in the nation and was prewarned about the incoming patient transfer. 8400 travelers remain under attention in Cali alone, but all have been allowed to return directly from China and wander around their hometowns with no forced quarantine.

This virus is already spreading across the west coast via community transmission, and it will continue to spread. There is no longer containment possible in the United States. So now we will all get to see what the real Rnaught and death rates turn out to be.

"No testing, nothing to report, no official problem"--seems to be the mantra of lying govts everywhere.

PS-the governor of NYS just said that it is "inevitable" that NY will have a case soon. Want to make a bet that they already have a positive test and will announce it late Sunday afternoon, as though it showed up out of nowhere?



DD, the genetic test's are not very sensitive. They have about a 30% false negative rate. This the main reason the Chinese went to using chest x-rays and symptoms for the diagnostic criteria, so they would release fewer infected people back into the general population.
Posted By: TimberRunner Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Lots have the corona virus. Y'all have probably had it many times before. We don't know the infectious rate, because no one is tested for it.

Don't listen to the idiot propagandists trying to make you scared of your shadow.
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by TimberRunner
Lots have the corona virus. Y'all have probably had it many times before. We don't know the infectious rate, because no one is tested for it.

Don't listen to the idiot propagandists trying to make you scared of your shadow.


So we've had the COVID19 version of a corona virus??? Don't be stupid.
Posted By: Squidge Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
New case in Illinois.

https://wgntv.com/news/illinois-health-officials-announce-new-case-of-coronavirus/

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The Illinois Department of Health announced Saturday that one Illinois resident has tested positive for coronavirus.

The positive test results will have to be confirmed by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lab. The patient is hospitalized in isolation and CDC protocols have been implemented.

Officials are working to identify and monitor individuals who were in contact with the patient in an effort to reduce the risk of additional transmission. The state will request that the CDC deploys a team to support these efforts.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
A guy in Kirkland, WA. That makes a total of 1. That's minuscule compared to auto accidents, drug OD's, knifings, or the flu. While the number of cases is slowly growing, this is hardly a pandemic. It's just a media free for all.

CORONAVIRUS


It depends. If the lethality rate is 23 times that of flu (and it's likely to be much higher in poor countries) and if it is every bit as contagious as flu (or more so) then, it could be a big deal. They say populations over 60 are most at risk, which means guys like a lot of us here.


Best we can tell, same populations at risk for the regular flu are at risk for Corona.

Keep in mind, at 23x number is likely inflated. People with mild cases are much less likely to head to the hospital and get tested.


Yeah, like the Chinese ex eye dr. Old and feeble. Dead.
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=022420

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30026-1/fulltext


Key Findings From the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention Report


72 314 Cases (as of February 11, 2020)

Confirmed cases: 44 672 (62%)

Suspected cases: 16 186 (22%)

Diagnosed cases: 10 567 (15%)

Asymptomatic cases: 889 (1%)

Age distribution (N = 44 672)

≥80 years: 3% (1408 cases)

30-79 years: 87% (38 680 cases)

20-29 years: 8% (3619 cases)

10-19 years: 1% (549 cases)

<10 years: 1% (416 cases)

Spectrum of disease (N = 44 415)

Mild: 81% (36 160 cases)

Severe: 14% (6168 cases)

Critical: 5% (2087 cases)

Case-fatality rate

2.3% (1023 of 44 672 confirmed cases)

14.8% in patients aged ≥80 years (208 of 1408)

8.0% in patients aged 70-79 years (312 of 3918)

49.0% in critical cases (1023 of 2087)

Health care personnel infected

3.8% (1716 of 44 672)

63% in Wuhan (1080 of 1716)

14.8% cases classified as severe or critical (247 of 1668)

5 deaths
Posted By: Tstorm1 Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Just used the can of Lysol and realized on the label its effective against "Human Coronavirus". Now, what's the difference between "human coronavirus" and the strain being talked about?
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
https://www.lysol.com/healthy-home/understanding-coronavirus/
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
There are lots of coronaviruses. I doubt that Lysol has tested their stuff on the new one but it could work just fine.

Back to the death rate of corona vs flu. The huge majority of deaths have been in the Chinese cities where pollution is very bad and most of the adults smoke. Their lungs have to be a mess. I suspect (and I'm no doctor or scientist) that if the same people were in the US with the cleaner air and a much reduced smoking rate, the death rate would be lower, maybe close to what the flu rate is. It'll be interesting to see how it all washes out.
Posted By: Esox357 Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Any word confirming this is a bioweapon? Doubt it would ever come out if it were.
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Here's a study evaluating the effectiveness of case isolation and contact tracing.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(20)30074-7/fulltext


Skipping to the end...

"Our study indicates that in most plausible outbreak scenarios, case isolation and contact tracing alone is insufficient to control outbreaks, and that in some scenarios even near perfect contact tracing will still be insufficient, and further interventions would be required to achieve control. Rapid and effective contact tracing can reduce the initial number of cases, which would make the outbreak easier to control overall. Effective contact tracing and isolation could contribute to reducing the overall size of an outbreak or bringing it under control over a longer time period."
Posted By: alwaysoutdoors Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
As the world turns
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by Esox357
Any word confirming this is a bioweapon? Doubt it would ever come out if it were.


https://www.newscientist.com/articl...milar-to-the-covid-19-virus-7-years-ago/
Posted By: Armednfree Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
I'm not worried about me in this. I worry about my wife who has COPD.
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-spread-after-recovery.html
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
How long can corona viruses live outside the body and what kills them.

https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext
Posted By: Squidge Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Good information Kingston. Thank you!
Posted By: Squidge Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Time to brush up on good hygiene protocols, washing hands, not touching your face, avoiding large crowds. See 3/9 and 6/9.

https://mobile.twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970271318503426

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The team at the @seattleflustudy have sequenced the genome the #COVID19 community case reported yesterday from Snohomish County, WA, and have posted the sequence publicly to http://gisaid.org. There are some enormous implications here. 1/9


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This case, WA2, is on a branch in the evolutionary tree that descends directly from WA1, the first reported case in the USA sampled Jan 19, also from Snohomish County, viewable here: https://nextstrain.org/ncov?f_division=Washington 2/9


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This strongly suggests that there has been cryptic transmission in Washington State for the past 6 weeks. 3/9


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It's possible that this genetic similarity is a coincidence and these are separate introductions. However, I believe this is highly unlikely. The WA1 case had a variant at site 18060. This variant is only present in 2/59 viruses from China. 4/9


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I'd assess the p-value for this coincidence at 2/59=0.03 and so is statistically significant. Additionally, these two cases are geographically proximal, both residing in Snohomish County. 5/9


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I believe we're facing an already substantial outbreak in Washington State that was not detected until now due to narrow case definition requiring direct travel to China. 6/9


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An update, because I see people overly speculating on total outbreak size. Our best current expectation is a few hundred current infections. Expect more analyses tomorrow.


Posted By: 16bore Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
If you filled a Super Soaker with the corona virus, is it an assault weapon?
Posted By: K22 Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
SARS...….…….2004
AVIAN...………..2008
SWINE...……….2010
MERS...………..2012
EBOLA.....……..2014
ZIKA...………….2016
EBOLA.....…… 2018
CORONA..…….2020. Common denominator??? All election years.
Posted By: Esox357 Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
All from China, minus Ebola. Heard a case that a dog contracted it?
Posted By: rost495 Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
what ya gonna do to stop it?

Sky has not fallen.

What ya gonna do if it does fall?

I'd have liked to thought that there would be less freak out types around the fire, but I may be wrong.

Deal with it if and when it shows. In the meantime nothing you or I do will change that.

And if you aren't dealing with good hygiene to start with you will have the flu etc... much more often. And its chances.

Bottom line carry on like you SHOULD, day to day.

Including having that 2-6 month stash of food, water etc....just in case, but which like my carry gun, will likely never ever be used.
Posted By: Squidge Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by rost495
what ya gonna do to stop it?

Sky has not fallen.


Probably not a lot that can be done top stop it at this point and the sky has not fallen, best we can do at this point is to educate ourselves about this virus so we can minimize spreading it to those most at risk. I worry about my parents who live in Washington state and are in their upper seventies. Knowledge is power.

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Transparency, even if the information is negative, paradoxically engenders trust. We are not children. We can assimilate information without running into the street screaming. Hiding information from people who must make decisions about work, travel, &c. leads to mistrust.
Posted By: Dutch Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by Squidge
Time to brush up on good hygiene protocols, washing hands, not touching your face, avoiding large crowds. See 3/9 and 6/9.




I'm not a frequent flyer, but had to this past week. Normally, in an airport bathroom, I guess about half the people don't wash their hands afterwards. found it very interesting that I did not see a single person rush out of the bathrooms without washing their hands last week. And not a quick rinse and run, either. Lots of soap being used. People are changing their hygiene practices, which is encouraging.
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by rost495
what ya gonna do to stop it?

Sky has not fallen.

What ya gonna do if it does fall?

I'd have liked to thought that there would be less freak out types around the fire, but I may be wrong.

Deal with it if and when it shows. In the meantime nothing you or I do will change that.

And if you aren't dealing with good hygiene to start with you will have the flu etc... much more often. And its chances.

Bottom line carry on like you SHOULD, day to day.

Including having that 2-6 month stash of food, water etc....just in case, but which like my carry gun, will likely never ever be used.


Of course. BUT, you certainly do realize that very few (including around the 'Fire) are actually prepared for anything beyond the next couple of days. So in that sense, this is a very good opportunity to encourage proper prior preparation for any crisis event.

AND, for those not prepared, in a response like a city-wide quarantine, this would absolutely be the sky falling, as they very likely would struggle to survive beyond 3 days without any supplies. So from a community-based response perspective, COVID-19will create some sort of major problem somewhere. If a little "pre-panic" can be encouraged, then hopefully people will wake up and prepare before it is too late for them. A more-prepared populace is never a bad thing, as it allows for higher-levels of survival and lessens govt dependence.
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
ILI = "influenza-like illness" but return negative results on all influenza testing

There has been a small but distinct uptick in ILI cases in the USA since December, peaking quite higher now in large cities like Chicago. These are people who report to health care for what seems like the flu but yet do not test positive for influenza.

There is a very good chance that the uptick could be COVID-19 that was not being tested for anywhere. If so, then COVID-19 has been circulating in the wild for this late winter already, and that would explain the worse "flu season" that has happened this year including twice as many deaths as normal.
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by K22
SARS...….…….2004
AVIAN...………..2008
SWINE...……….2010
MERS...………..2012
EBOLA.....……..2014
ZIKA...………….2016
EBOLA.....…… 2018
CORONA..…….2020. Common denominator??? All election years.



Aren’t you the anti-vaxxer?
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by Esox357
All from China, minus Ebola. Heard a case that a dog contracted it?


https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202002/28/P2020022800013.htm


Detection of low level of COVID-19 virus in pet dog
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A spokesman for the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department (AFCD) said today (February 28) that a pet dog had been tested weak positive to COVID-19 virus.

The AFCD received a referral from the Department of Health on February 26 that a dog of a patient infected with COVID-19 disease virus will be handed over to the AFCD. Staff of the AFCD picked up the dog from a residential flat at Tai Hang in the evening on the same day and sent the dog to the animal keeping facility at the Hong Kong Port of Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macao Bridge. Oral, nasal and rectal samples were collected for testing of COVID-19 virus. The nasal and oral cavity samples were tested weak positive to COVID-19 virus. The dog does not have any relevant symptoms.

The above dog is the only dog under quarantine at animal keeping facility at the Hong Kong Port of Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macao Bridge at the moment. There are no other animals using the said facility. Staff of the department will step up cleansing and disinfection of the animal keeping facility.

At present, the AFCD does not have evidence that pet animals can be infected with COVID-19 virus or can be a source of infection to people. The Department will conduct close monitoring of the above dog and collect further samples for testing to confirm if the dog has really been infected with the virus or this is a result of environmental contamination of the dog's mouth and nose. Repeated tests will be conducted for the dog and it will only be returned when the test result is negative.

The spokesman said that to ensure public and animal health, the department strongly advise mammalian pets of patients confirmed to have been infected with COVID-19 virus to be put under quarantine by the AFCD. The pets will be delivered to the designated animal keeping facilities of the AFCD for quarantine and veterinary surveillance for 14 days. Samples will be collected for testing of COVID-19 virus as appropriate.

The spokesman reminded the pet owners to maintain a good habit of hygiene, and wash their hands thoroughly with soap or alcohol sanitiser after contacting pets. Pet owners shall wear masks while going out. If there are any changes in the health condition of the pets, advice from veterinarians should be sought as soon as possible.

Ends/Friday, February 28, 2020
Issued at HKT 0:55
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Originally Posted by Squidge

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Transparency, even if the information is negative, paradoxically engenders trust. We are not children. We can assimilate information without running into the street screaming. Hiding information from people who must make decisions about work, travel, &c. leads to mistrust.



Exactly.

Further, if one wants the scoop, read and assimilate original source material. Don’t rely on the media to do it for you.
Posted By: nighthawk Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Heard a preacher on TV say we're deep into the end times (and I should send him my money). Radio news just said the pope is staying home with "cold like symptoms." It's a sign - We're doomed!

Forgot to add And it's all Trump's fault. Just ask Nancy.
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
Pope's been sick for a few days with a viral condition. They haven't not named what yet.
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/01/20
It would be pretty crazy if the Pope succumbed to COVID19.
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/02/20
A week old, but a good article.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/03/20
North Carolina via WA

https://www.wkrg.com/health/coronav...-positive-for-coronavirus-governor-says/
Posted By: Raeford Re: 1st US corona death - 03/03/20
Stocked up on TP[high quality] yesterday, whew!
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/05/20
Great animated graphic illustrating the geometric spread of corona virus in a South Korea.

Watch the graphic change over time. It spans January 20 — March 5 (today).

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wik...h_Korea_over_Time.gif#mw-jump-to-license

[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/05/20
In the first month (January 20–February 104), The following day, cases in South Korea nearly doubled to 204. Since then, in the two weeks bringing us to today, the number of cases exploded to 6088.


Wikipedia is proving to be a great source. They are also one of my favorite charities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_South_Korea
Posted By: Raeford Re: 1st US corona death - 03/05/20
Anyone know what percentage of S. Korea would be considered third world[by our standards]?
Posted By: kingston Re: 1st US corona death - 03/05/20
None.

South Korea is officially a First World nation.
Posted By: Raeford Re: 1st US corona death - 03/05/20
Originally Posted by kingston
None.

South Korea is officially a First World nation.


Interesting, I would have thought that some of it would still be old world-ish.
Posted By: Greyghost Re: 1st US corona death - 03/05/20
BS, most have been around for years and not in the U.S. but for those that did you have the years all wrong and had nothing to do with election cycles.

Just more of your made up spread of fake propaganda...


2002–04 SARS outbreak

Avian has been around since 1887 in different strains, Most recently 1995 to 2015

Swine was 1918 - 1920, and 2009 - 2010

MERS mid 2012, but not in the U.S. until late 2014

EBOLA was late 2013, only 4 cases in the U.S. in late 2014

ZEKA was 1952, wasn't until early 2015-2016 that it arrived in North America

Current EBOLA limited to Africa Late 2018 to Present

Corona or COVID-19, was in 2019


Phil
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