I was in Infectious Disease arena for many years. The ID docs I've talked to are very concerned. It's not like anything they've seen in their lifetime. It's most certainly the real deal. The only real event comparable is the Spanish Flu. However, the talking heads on TV, social media medical practitioner wannabees, and their ilk are throwing gas on the fire. It's not needed and counter-productive.
DJT has surrounded himself with experts. He's directing a pointed attack; testing facilities, test kits, pharmaceutical testing - fast tracking - compassionate use, military help with hospital ships, MASH, logistics, doing whatever humanly possible to get the economy back humming again -the Fed - stimulus, etc. This maximum effort will make Katrina look like a fart in the wind.
The world is watching. Indeed, I think this will be his finest hour.
I was in Infectious Disease arena for many years. The ID docs I've talked to are very concerned. It's not like anything they've seen in their lifetime. It's most certainly the real deal. The only real event comparable is the Spanish Flu. However, the talking heads on TV, social media medical practitioner wannabees, and their ilk are throwing gas on the fire. It's not needed and counter-productive.
DJT has surrounded himself with experts. He's directing a pointed attack; testing facilities, test kits, pharmaceutical testing - fast tracking - compassionate use, military help with hospital ships, MASH, logistics, doing whatever humanly possible to get the economy back humming again -the Fed - stimulus, etc. This maximum effort will make Katrina look like a fart in the wind.
The world is watching. Indeed, I think this will be his finest hour.
Yessir, Trump has the democrats’ backs to the wall.
I think it's a real problem, but it has been hyped up and politicized causing a lot of doubts. Anything that can kill innocent people, especially one that very well could have been developed in a lab in China, needs our attention. I only say this because the doctors and whistleblowers that started saying this early, either died unexpectedly or have disappeared. I think the infectious disease people in high places are also worried it will mutate into a worse disease like the SARS did when it jumped from chickens to people in a relatively short period.
I was in Infectious Disease arena for many years. The ID docs I've talked to are very concerned. It's not like anything they've seen in their lifetime. It's most certainly the real deal. The only real event comparable is the Spanish Flu. However, the talking heads on TV, social media medical practitioner wannabees, and their ilk are throwing gas on the fire. It's not needed and counter-productive.
DJT has surrounded himself with experts. He's directing a pointed attack; testing facilities, test kits, pharmaceutical testing - fast tracking - compassionate use, military help with hospital ships, MASH, logistics, doing whatever humanly possible to get the economy back humming again -the Fed - stimulus, etc. This maximum effort will make Katrina look like a fart in the wind.
The world is watching. Indeed, I think this will be his finest hour.
Ironic that one of our Presidents with the biggest presences and personalities may be bolstered by one of the smallest living things on the planet.
It’s not a hoax here in Washington. And I think it’s likely been here for awhile. Today my wife finally went to the Doctor to be tested for it. She was told to self quarantine until the test results come back. So here we are. Wild.
I was in Infectious Disease arena for many years. The ID docs I've talked to are very concerned. It's not like anything they've seen in their lifetime. It's most certainly the real deal. The only real event comparable is the Spanish Flu. However, the talking heads on TV, social media medical practitioner wannabees, and their ilk are throwing gas on the fire. It's not needed and counter-productive.
DJT has surrounded himself with experts. He's directing a pointed attack; testing facilities, test kits, pharmaceutical testing - fast tracking - compassionate use, military help with hospital ships, MASH, logistics, doing whatever humanly possible to get the economy back humming again -the Fed - stimulus, etc. This maximum effort will make Katrina look like a fart in the wind.
The world is watching. Indeed, I think this will be his finest hour.
After President Trump playing it down a bit in the very beginning, I believe he's done an excellent job of putting the correct assets in place, including swift movement of capital.
Part of his playing it down in the beginning could be due to the lies perpetrated by the Chins. To me, His continuing to call it the Chinese Coronavirus may be due to some residual anger with the Chins over their lying.
The haters and naysayers are buffoons, including that thief moron Biden.
Still no naysayers or conspiracy types that were so vocal and laughed about this so called bullscchhitt.
C’mon boys , let’s hear from you.
OK, I take the bait! No illness or life threatening disease should be taken with impudence! However, at this point in time it appears to be blown completely out of proportion. As I have mentioned.....so far this flu season, 25K + Americans have died from the flu or complications thereof! In the 2017-2018 flu season, American deaths were 80K. Yet, it was barely spoken about....let alone “crash” the markets, shut down all public venues, empty grocery stores, and cause wholesale panic. It’s absolutely horrendous to those that have contradicted the disease, and to those who have lost loved ones. However, so far, at least in America, it pales in comparison to the 2017-2018 flu season......and I hope it stays that way!
The question is if the reaction to it is correct. Is evaporating 1/3 of the nations wealth, soon to be double digit unemployment, thousands of businesses collapsed, years of recovery,.....worth this?
Still no naysayers or conspiracy types that were so vocal and laughed about this so called bullscchhitt.
C’mon boys , let’s hear from you.
OK, I take the bait! No illness or life threatening disease should be taken with impudence! However, at this point in time it appears to be blown completely out of proportion. As I have mentioned.....so far this flu season, 25K + Americans have died from the flu or complications thereof! In the 2017-2018 flu season, American deaths were 80K. Yet, it was barely spoken about....let alone “crash” the markets, shut down all public venues, empty grocery stores, and cause wholesale panic. It’s absolutely horrendous to those that have contradicted the disease, and to those who have lost loved ones. However, so far, at least in America, it pales in comparison to the 2017-2018 flu season......and I hope it stays that way!
There......Challenge Accepted! memtb
I think that the real concerns are the difference in nature of this virus and the seemingly exponential growth of the infection rate. Throw in the number of lockdowns we’re seeing and the news from places like Italy. From that, I don’t think it is overblown when were dealing with what appears to be such an unknown.
Comparing this to past epidemics seems rather moot at this point, to me, anyhow. We have no idea of how far and deep this thing can run but we’re sure gonna find out.. if lockdowns had not been imposed one might wonder just how bad it would have been here in a first world nation.
The “speculation “ is that this will be deeply devastating to sub Saharan Africa and big cities like Cairo.
.. so far this flu season, 25K + Americans have died from the flu or complications thereof! In 2017-2018 flu season, American deaths were 80K. Yet, it was barely spoken about....
Lots of people showing up in ERs just because they want a test. Zero symptoms. Yes, ask ANYONE who works at a hospital if this is happening.
Some people just suck. They are just phucin selfish and should be ashamed of themselves.
I talk to an ER doc everyday who works at the hospital with the most C19 in Michigan. Most people will easily survive this with Tylenol. Does it hurt certain groups like weak elderly and bad lungers, yes, maybe. But there are 80 year olds getting better all the time.
Our economy is phuced. God bless us that we have a proactive POTUS. Without Trump, this would be worse.
After President Trump playing it down a bit in the very beginning, I believe he's done an excellent job of putting the correct assets in place, including swift movement of capital.
Part of his playing it down in the beginning could be due to the lies perpetrated by the Chins. To me, His continuing to call it the Chinese Coronavirus may be due to some residual anger with the Chins over their lying.
The haters and naysayers are buffoons, including that thief moron Biden.
You can always be sure the Chicoms are lying if their lips are moving.
Also, buffoon, thief, and moron should always be paired with Biden....
All I know and have been told over the years is those who have been against globalism, free will travel and illegal immigration are racist, bigoted xenophobes that need to die.
Now Im being told to stay at home and mind my own business?
Import 100k Somalis to Albert Lea, now.
My challenge to the naysayers of the naysayers is, at this point, why should we (some of us) give a fugg?
Wife is a small town doc. Tonight she reported everybody is feeling pretty stressed, but that the people that were already "not emotionally well" to start with have started to lose it. One woman got upset when her regular doctor was not available, went out to her car and came back in swinging a claw hammer around. Security came over and removed her.
I'd guess that involuntary commitment was the outcome. The problem is that there is an extreme shortage of psychiatric beds available during day to day conditions.... I can't imagine a good outcome for people with poor judgement and impulse control even during average stress times.... Beware little old ladies packing hammers in their purse.
I'm not going to worry about it much. If it really is a pandemic then everyone not naturally immune will probably get it. If it's going to last for months and months I'd just as soon get it now before it mutates into something not near as mild as it is now. The 2nd wave of the Spanish Flu is what killed people quick. Mutation could easily happen for the worse.
Emotional stress contributes to corticosteriod production in the body which can reduce the effectiveness of one's resistance to antigens by lowering lymphocytes.
Worries never fixed anything thus people are their own worse enemy.
Worry types like to hang out together cause misery likes company.
Id wager a sugar cookie Planned Parenthood still offs more human life for reproductive rights in 2020 than a non-political, indiscriminate virus in the USA....
The important thing is are COVID contaminated organs allowed for sale or can they be safely used for furnace fuel?
That would be my question for the next DNC primary.
I posted this in a different thread a few days ago. I hope at least one person blowing this thing off reconsiders...
I’ve kind of kept my mouth shut on this but some people are going to look back on these threads with a lot of regret. Some won’t get that chance. I switched careers a couple years ago in large part because it would be safer for me and better for my family, and it was up until February 28th. I’m on day 17 of quarantine and hope to be done soon. My last 48hr shift prior to that won’t ever be forgotten. I just got off the phone with my best friend who’s seen some serious stuff in the last 14 years and he was shaken by what they are dealing with.
I called my wife the first night and told her things were going to get weird in America and they are. At this point all that’s left to find out is if it stays weird or gets catastrophic. If you think the choices that drs are having to make in Italy are different then are already being made here you might want to think again. King County, Washington, despite being a messed up place politically, has what many, myself included would call exceptional medical system. As in leads the world in cardiac arrest survival, CVA protocols, prehospital standards of care etc. Its getting hammered. Less capable systems are in deep trouble if they don’t stay very lucky.
I would doubt you could find a person who knows me in the real world that would say I’m an alarmist or easily spooked. I’ve seen this crap up close when it’s metastasized inside a facility of those most susceptible to it, horrific. All these restrictive measures grate at me on a personal level, but simply put they have a realistic chance of keeping our medical system from collapsing. Flattening the curve is vital to keeping the healthcare system functioning and keeping as many people alive as possible. Take this crap seriously, what’s coming isn’t cold/flu season as far as potential downside if it gets out of control.
Personally I feel there is zero chance that China’s statistics on Covid19 are even remotely accurate. I’ve spent enough time in Asia to know something this virulent that attacks the respiratory system would have far greater impact. 10 years from now I bet there will be a Amazon/Netflix miniseries along the lines of Chernobyl regarding what the communist regime is doing to suppress the truth.
Could,may,possibly,up to - We're better off looking at what is. Newsom comes out and says that California is going from 952 to 26,000,000 cases in 8 weeks? Right.
I took my wife to Bremerton today, to the Doctors office. I was amazed how few people and cars were out and about. We’re now quarantined at home waiting for the test results. Amazing how quickly this has ground us to a halt.
Prediction...Long drawn out process over the next 2-3 months. Unless something changes for the better, martial law will be put into place in heavily infected areas, if not the entire nation.
Prediction...Long drawn out process over the next 2-3 months. Unless something changes for the better, martial law will be put into place in heavily infected areas, if not the entire nation.
Somebody help me with the math. Potentially millions infected in the US but we're still at around 200k world wide, and it started in the most dense population in world? I can't seem to reconcile that.
Prediction...Long drawn out process over the next 2-3 months. Unless something changes for the better, martial law will be put into place in heavily infected areas, if not the entire nation.
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That governor of yours making noises yet?
Ours is.
Geno
Covering her ass lately as Oregon’s on-line unemployment filing system crashed hard this morning. Head of Social Services basically called her an idiot on the news offering as another example of Kate’s superior leadership “How is it Oregon is the only State that is losing money on Sports Betting, where every other State that has it is making a killing?”
As for COVID-19.....Katie is blaming Trump, of course. Lady needs a douche flush outta Oregon politics. 😎
Somebody help me with the math. Potentially millions infected in the US but we're still at around 200k world wide, and it started in the most dense population in world? I can't seem to reconcile that.
From the reports we've gotten, however misleading, it seems the Chinese had the capability and the will to lock down a major city. And relatively quickly, which as I recall from a month or so ago, was reason for some here to believe the Chinese knew what it was and where it came from.
Can you imagine the hoopla if the the City of Seattle, Kings County, the State of WA, or heaven forbid the Gov of the US of A had come in and shut down Seattle on first cases arising there? For an unknown illness? And further, before discovering what it was, how it seemed to be working, and where it came from, what would the outcry have been like if they had closed the State borders of WA, all flights in and out of the airports there, and then started doing the same whenever a case popped up anywhere in the US?
Numbers are going up here daily. More and more folks are exhibiting symptoms but not even being tested as some here have pointed out. It's now seemingly confirmed in every State in the Union.
Will it hit "millions" in the US? Seems to me that's what "THEY" are trying to avoid. You know, the government entities attempting to avoid all out chaos if this scheidt does get completely rampant in the population.
Yes, folks. Hate to tell you freedom lovers the bad news, but these measures are all about control.
For fuggs sake, just a few cases of the virus in the US a couple of weeks back and there was a run on every roll of TP in the country, every bottle of hand sanitizer, fisticuffs and hair pulling over the last of the bottled water on the shelves. Think what would happen if all of a sudden, 10% , 25% or more of the country came down with this stuff quickly.
Fuggers be in the hospitals, right up in the doctors' faces, with their pistols, sayin' "You save my momma first, I don't care about them other folks".
Shooting each other over the last can of tuna, or bag of Cheetos. And now the panic stricken are buying up guns and ammo. Oh joy, oh fuggin' joy.
If, and a big if, this self quarantine, shelter in place crap does its job, maybe we won't even hit the million mark. Maybe it gets a chance to die out peacefully. If it doesn't work, all bets are off.
ctsmith, have you ever worked with a highly infectious organism in a population of confined animals? (agriculture) Once diagnosed you attempt to separate all infected animals (euthanizing even), keep other groups of uninfected animals "quarantined", limit contact of workers and equipment between groups of animals, and if another group becomes infected those get isolated even further while being treated. Simple animal husbandry. Just what these "lock down" measures are attempting to do.
I hope this virus doesn't hit your area as hard as it has hit others, especially the highly susceptible folks in your family, should there be any.
Prediction...Long drawn out process over the next 2-3 months. Unless something changes for the better, martial law will be put into place in heavily infected areas, if not the entire nation.
😎
That governor of yours making noises yet?
Ours is.
Geno
Covering her ass lately as Oregon’s on-line unemployment filing system crashed hard this morning. Head of Social Services basically called her an idiot on the news offering as another example of Kate’s superior leadership “How is it Oregon is the only State that is losing money on Sports Betting, where every other State that has it is making a killing?”
As for COVID-19.....Katie is blaming Trump, of course. Lady needs a douche flush outta Oregon politics. 😎
What's your election laws like up there? Maybe Creepy Joe picks her for a running mate and she has to give up her job? Wouldn't that solve your problem, unless the Lt Gov is even worse than her (is that possible?)
Wishing your State the best, ours too.
Geno
PS tell mama you is skeert and don't wanna go out wit the sick folks no mo!
The initial panic and hysteria was media induced for political reasons. Now every level of government has gone batshitt crazy, orgasmic even, drunk with absolute power. The Constitution has been trashed, legislation and the courts marginalized. Mayors, governors are illegally assuming dictatorial powers. The economy is in free fall, in chaos. The corona virus itself has a lower morbidity rate than H1N1 or flu A. We know that a huge percentage of folks catching this are asymptomatic. They get it, get over it, and do even know it. This indicates that the lethality has been far overstated. I still say the underlying reason is to damage Trump, and return power to the dhimmicrats.
After President Trump playing it down a bit in the very beginning, I believe he's done an excellent job of putting the correct assets in place, including swift movement of capital.
Part of his playing it down in the beginning could be due to the lies perpetrated by the Chins. To me, His continuing to call it the Chinese Coronavirus may be due to some residual anger with the Chins over their lying.
The haters and naysayers are buffoons, including that thief moron Biden.
You can always be sure the Chicoms are lying if their lips are moving.
Also, buffoon, thief, and moron should always be paired with Biden....
It’s not a hoax here in Washington. And I think it’s likely been here for awhile. Today my wife finally went to the Doctor to be tested for it. She was told to self quarantine until the test results come back. So here we are. Wild.
I think it's likely been everywhere for a while.
Back in Nov-dec, locally a bunch of folks had a cough that just wouldn't go away for weeks, flu like symptoms but tests were always negative. [bleep] ran its course and folks got better
I once heard it said this way........a millionaire could lose a thousand dollars and it wouldn't mean much to him, whereas if a poor man lost that much, it would be a tragedy, from which they might not recover, The corona virus appears to be that way, with it not affecting some people too bad, yet killing others...............and if you get it, you don't know which group you're going to be in. So, I believe it is something to be concerned about, especially since if you get it, it's pretty much a roll of the dice as to what will happen.
I have said since the very beginning that we had no idea what was going to happen and we should take precautions, and there were those on here who were saying it was no worse than the cold or flu. Yet, right now, my family is quarantining ourselves pending the results of a test. At the age of 69, I'm in the most susceptible group of dying from it, at least age wise. To me, the corona virus is very real.
But I do believe it's been sensationalized off the scale by the lyin' media for political reasons.
At what point do you start to believe every word the media says?
They have been trying to destroy Trump since before he was elected.
They have been openly trying to destroy our economy since Obama left office, even to the point of weeks long panic mongering and outright lying about how bad the economy is... WAY before the virus came about.
I'll never trust anything the media says, or democrats say. Ever.
I’m not the tinfoil type. But believe the media is making this 10x worse than what needs to be.
We are learning, s you all will soon too, that LOTS of people have it. So everyone who comes in contact doesnt get it, and everyone who gets its doesnt get ill. And almost everyone who gets ill gets over it.
Some dont.
Its not something we should have collapsed the best economic engine in the history of the world over.
Still no naysayers or conspiracy types that were so vocal and laughed about this so called bullscchhitt.
C’mon boys , let’s hear from you.
OK, I take the bait! No illness or life threatening disease should be taken with impudence! However, at this point in time it appears to be blown completely out of proportion. As I have mentioned.....so far this flu season, 25K + Americans have died from the flu or complications thereof! In the 2017-2018 flu season, American deaths were 80K. Yet, it was barely spoken about....let alone “crash” the markets, shut down all public venues, empty grocery stores, and cause wholesale panic. It’s absolutely horrendous to those that have contradicted the disease, and to those who have lost loved ones. However, so far, at least in America, it pales in comparison to the 2017-2018 flu season......and I hope it stays that way!
Found out yesterday that a buddy of mine has it, he's in a hospital in Milwaukee in an induced coma while they treat him for it. So yes, I feel the virus is real. The panic however.... couple towns around here have issued a curfew, how does that help anything?!
Why not all this back with the ZeroBama was battlin H1n1?
Well, a couple things to think about:
If you recall, there was a strong vaccination program against H1N1. It didn't just crop up out of nowhere for the 2009-2010 season. There were a limited number of cases at the tail end of the 2008-2009 season that gave us time to prepare.
Secondly, the world, only 10 years ago, was not nearly as connected to social media as it is today. I'm not all that interested in looking at data, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that at present, the number of social media posts is an order of magnitude or more greater today.
And yes, I'm sure that having an MSM that is bound and determined to oust our president also figures into the equation.
But I do believe it's been sensationalized off the scale by the lyin' media for political reasons.
At what point do you start to believe every word the media says?
They have been trying to destroy Trump since before he was elected.
They have been openly trying to destroy our economy since Obama left office, even to the point of weeks long panic mongering and outright lying about how bad the economy is... WAY before the virus came about.
I'll never trust anything the media says, or democrats say. Ever.
Barry, the Left is always going to love a good panic, catastrophe, crisis, and anything else that they think they can use against conservatism. This is no different, because as you said they've been after Trump since he was elected. In their mind, there is nothing he can do that they will give him credit for. It's always going to be that way, and the corona virus is just another in a long line of things that they have used to use against Trump and Conservatives.
Their first priority is to destroy whoever stands in their way, then they might show some concern about what is happening. The politicize everything, and in many ways, so does the GOP. All politicians love a good crisis, as they see it first as an opportunity to further their agenda.
Overhyped and real. Fact is we’ve decided, rightly or wrongly, that we will torpedo the economy, real jobs, valuable business for the sake of protecting the elderly. I’m not making a judgement on this philosophical question, but wonder if we could have just locked down the susceptible group?
If our current crop of media doomsayers had been around in the 1940s we'd all be speaking German. Or Japanese. 200 dead and we blow up the country. They tried for 20 years to crush us and gain control of our lives using that bs Climate Change Global Warming story with made up [bleep]. That didn't work. But give them 200 dead Americans from a Chinese virus and we can literally stop this country cold, remove its wealth and enslave its citizens. Disgusting.
Too bad Flave ain’t around to give his perspective, lol. Boy things would have been interesting around here. He couldn’t have got banned at a worse time.
My take on it that most who post here think it is overblown and not going to affect them because they have self discipline and common sense not to put themselves or loved one at unnecessary risk. And most of us do.
But common sense is a rare commodity these days and most of the idiots out there have no clue how to function if Netflix stops streaming or the mall is closed. Those are the ones that are fueling the panic buying, and it is comforting to them to have a years supply of Charmin because they are utter and complete idiots. Students taking the Corona challenge by licking toilet seats, going on spring break, heading to the mall, and thinking they are too important to be inconvenienced. This is the segment of society that .gov mandates and directives are aimed at because they are morons and have no sense of responsibility. They could make this much, much worse than it currently is. And the sheep will stampede if they get a whiff of the wolf.
I work in the Health Care industry and daughter is an ER nurse at Duke, believe me the medical community sees the tsunamis that is coming. They are scared.
Me I am gonna continue to do what I always do. I already hate everybody except a few close friends and family and will limit my time, energies, and exposure to keeping them safe with the exception of the elderly population that cannot fend for themselves.
Too bad Flave ain’t around to give his perspective, lol. Boy things would have been interesting around here. He couldn’t have got banned at a worse time.
Or at a good time, depending upon one's point of view.
Wife has a close friend (they are godmothers to each other’s first born) who is a family practice MD. Her husband is an ER MD. They are very concerned. He is not going home after his shift....staying in a hotel near the hospital. She is staying home with their kids, says they are trying to make sure their kids come through this with at least one parent.
A few days ago I returned home in Montana after being up on the North Slope since Christmas. We built ice roads for oil exploration. The big plan was for four wells but due to a harsh winter, temperatures and equipment failures, the scope got cut back to three.
The roads, pads etc were nearly complete (95%) for the three wells, with first one about 3/4 done (drilling, not testing). Hundreds of Millions were spent on this. They announced yesterday that when well #1 is done, they're pulling out of the whole works. Employees on Slope will be extended, those off Slope in AK able to return after a delay and those outside of Alaska, SOL, go file unemployment.
Proportional response? Well, I suppose if you're loved ones get it or not ehh? Very prudent, if a little late, to take drastic steps that'll help curb the spread immensely, IMO. MAGA
I was in Infectious Disease arena for many years. The ID docs I've talked to are very concerned. It's not like anything they've seen in their lifetime. It's most certainly the real deal. The only real event comparable is the Spanish Flu. However, the talking heads on TV, social media medical practitioner wannabees, and their ilk are throwing gas on the fire. It's not needed and counter-productive.
DJT has surrounded himself with experts. He's directing a pointed attack; testing facilities, test kits, pharmaceutical testing - fast tracking - compassionate use, military help with hospital ships, MASH, logistics, doing whatever humanly possible to get the economy back humming again -the Fed - stimulus, etc. This maximum effort will make Katrina look like a fart in the wind.
The world is watching. Indeed, I think this will be his finest hour.
The truth is we don't know enough about it , all I have heard is there is a mild strain and a not so mild one. The place where we can get the scientific data needed will not allow our scientists and Doctors in to examine it. They have scrubbed clean all the "evidence" and are telling the world they conquered it. So what people fear is the unknown and the shameful media is feeding off it . May these bastards rot in hell media and the satanic Chinese.
The truth is we don't know enough about it , all I have heard is there is a mild strain and a not so mild one. The place where we can get the scientific data needed will not allow our scientists and Doctors in to examine it. They have scrubbed clean all the "evidence" and are telling the world they conquered it. So what people fear is the unknown and the shameful media is feeding off it . May these bastards rot in hell media and the satanic Chinese.
Too bad Flave ain’t around to give his perspective, lol. Boy things would have been interesting around here. He couldn’t have got banned at a worse time.
It’s not a hoax here in Washington. And I think it’s likely been here for awhile. Today my wife finally went to the Doctor to be tested for it. She was told to self quarantine until the test results come back. So here we are. Wild.
I think it's likely been everywhere for a while.
Back in Nov-dec, locally a bunch of folks had a cough that just wouldn't go away for weeks, flu like symptoms but tests were always negative. [bleep] ran its course and folks got better
That was the case with myself and wife the last week of Dec into Jan.
I think it's overblown by the media which seems to feel that they have finally found something to sink not only Trump but true conservatism. I have no issue with folk that feel otherwise.
The initial panic and hysteria was media induced for political reasons. Now every level of government has gone batshitt crazy, orgasmic even, drunk with absolute power. The Constitution has been trashed, legislation and the courts marginalized. Mayors, governors are illegally assuming dictatorial powers. The economy is in free fall, in chaos. The corona virus itself has a lower morbidity rate than H1N1 or flu A. We know that a huge percentage of folks catching this are asymptomatic. They get it, get over it, and do even know it. This indicates that the lethality has been far overstated. I still say the underlying reason is to damage Trump, and return power to the dhimmicrats.
If the campfire had been around in November of 41 there would been a ton of guys saying the Japanese aren’t gonna do anything...it’s all the media hyping it up..
I was in Infectious Disease arena for many years. The ID docs I've talked to are very concerned. It's not like anything they've seen in their lifetime. It's most certainly the real deal. The only real event comparable is the Spanish Flu. However, the talking heads on TV, social media medical practitioner wannabees, and their ilk are throwing gas on the fire. It's not needed and counter-productive.
DJT has surrounded himself with experts. He's directing a pointed attack; testing facilities, test kits, pharmaceutical testing - fast tracking - compassionate use, military help with hospital ships, MASH, logistics, doing whatever humanly possible to get the economy back humming again -the Fed - stimulus, etc. This maximum effort will make Katrina look like a fart in the wind.
The world is watching. Indeed, I think this will be his finest hour.
Agree completely. Trump needs our prayers; this poor man gets it from every angle. I think Pence is doing very well too. The news conferences with the inevitable strident, female “journalists” with their poking and probing questions, all of a critical nature, shows Trump has much more patience I would have under these circumstances.
As to the virus, one must assume it’s everywhere and thus self-isolation or social-distancing, whatever you want to call it, is the most important thing to do at the moment. Many folks just can not grasp the seriousness of the times.
If the campfire had been around in November of 41 there would been a ton of guys saying the Japanese aren’t gonna do anything...it’s all the media hyping it up..
Maybe just maybe, had the virus appeared in moments, killing 2000 Americans in a very limited area, in a matter of an hour or so.....those of us considering the media response to be “over sensationalized”, would see this far differently! If Issac Newton had proclaimed that “the sky was falling” when he got “beaned” (appled) beneath that apple tree.....he would have been labeled as “over reacting”! In stead, he discovered that ......the sky was falling, “only” under the apple tree! I guess we all have our perspective.....depending upon where we’re standing! memtb
It’s interesting in a morbid way that the two groups that seem generally dismissive are the ones most and least affected by it. Kids I understand because they’re kids and are being told it’s not as dangerous for them. Older people it’s inexplicable because the data is already pretty clear. It seems like many older people are dismissing it based solely on crankiness and distrust of the media. I get that, but is there no consideration that even a broken watch is right twice a day?
And in classic campfire fashion, the couple people who have spoken up with firsthand experience are being ignored or not believed in favor of people with zero experience but unshakable preconceived notions.
If the campfire had been around in November of 41 there would been a ton of guys saying the Japanese aren’t gonna do anything...it’s all the media hyping it up..
Sunshine and roses, lollipops and unicorns. Where is that thumbs up button.
I had my ass chewed this morning by an ultra, ultra liberal. He does not care what is happening in Italy, or in Iran, or in Korea. This is fugging America and it is not going to happen here. It is all fake news.
Fugging idiot is all bent out of shape because they cancelled March Madness, MLB, and NBA.
For some here, maybe most it won't sink in until it effects their own. Maybe some will even consider it OK with their elderly, but when it effects their spouse or one of their kids, they'll get it then...
It’s interesting in a morbid way that the two groups that seem generally dismissive are the ones most and least affected by it. Kids I understand because they’re kids and are being told it’s not as dangerous for them. Older people it’s inexplicable because the data is already pretty clear. It seems like many older people are dismissing it based solely on crankiness and distrust of the media. I get that, but is there no consideration that even a broken watch is right twice a day?
And in classic campfire fashion, the couple people who have spoken up with firsthand experience are being ignored or not believed in favor of people with zero experience but unshakable preconceived notions.
+1 that is the standard MO...People with experience get ignored
Just some more math to ponder.....in one 7 day period, during this flu season, it’s estimated that 429000 people/day got the flu. Where is the media during this “earth shattering” news! Oh, that’s right ......just another flu season! Perhaps “if”, everyone self- quarantined, businesses shut down, public gatherings stopped, travel stopped, the “sanitizing” of every possible contact surface ......we could reduce these flu numbers as well! memtb
I’ve been in a facility with a massive outbreak. I’m telling you, as an ultra conservative guy, this stuff is extremely dangerous. Guys I know who are in peak physical health are getting rocked by this stuff. Guys have spoke up in threads with family working in hospitals saying it’s really bad stuff. This isn’t the flu in its effects for lots of people.
Someone asked why aren’t people speaking out on social media? They are, but just aren’t your friends and you’re not seeing it or you are in a different part of the country where it hasn’t spread massively yet. I know the guy in the video and you can also see him as a commentator or one of the live pd type shows but for all first responders. It’s only a couple minutes long but some may get something out of it. He can’t go into a ton of detail though because of HIPPA.
A few days ago I returned home in Montana after being up on the North Slope since Christmas. We built ice roads for oil exploration. The big plan was for four wells but due to a harsh winter, temperatures and equipment failures, the scope got cut back to three.
The roads, pads etc were nearly complete (95%) for the three wells, with first one about 3/4 done (drilling, not testing). Hundreds of Millions were spent on this. They announced yesterday that when well #1 is done, they're pulling out of the whole works. Employees on Slope will be extended, those off Slope in AK able to return after a delay and those outside of Alaska, SOL, go file unemployment.
Proportional response? Well, I suppose if you're loved ones get it or not ehh? Very prudent, if a little late, to take drastic steps that'll help curb the spread immensely, IMO. MAGA
The price of oil may be another factor in the decision.
My point was more the warning signs were there, just like in 41, lots of people didn’t want to see them. And when it finally happened...
Doesn't the same argument work the other way? Coming Ice age Hole in the ozone SARS Swine Flu Global Warning AIDS ravaging the hetero community Y2K etc.
Lots of people saw our imminent deaths then as well. I'm not saying it isn't serious and I'm not saying it won't kill you. I will say the reaction is out of proportion, IMO.
Feel free to panic. Just don't look to include me. I have prepared as well as I can, through the years. Shrill screaming will not improve my situation. I've never mastered panic. Have fun.
Why not all this back with the ZeroBama was battlin H1n1?
Well, a couple things to think about:
If you recall, there was a strong vaccination program against H1N1. It didn't just crop up out of nowhere for the 2009-2010 season. There were a limited number of cases at the tail end of the 2008-2009 season that gave us time to prepare.
Secondly, the world, only 10 years ago, was not nearly as connected to social media as it is today. I'm not all that interested in looking at data, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that at present, the number of social media posts is an order of magnitude or more greater today.
And yes, I'm sure that having an MSM that is bound and determined to oust our president also figures into the equation.
Another thing to remember about H1N1 is that it was not a new virus. It was/is the same virus which swept the planet in 1918 and has been with us ever since. So there existed herd immunity to the disease.
SARS, MERS, "Bird Flu" are all serious diseases yes. But are so less contagious than C-19 that comparisons are invalid.
People speak of so many that have C-19 and never know it. Yes that is true. But they are still contagious for as much as two weeks and spreading it wherever they go. Some people suspect the infection rate vs exposure is low. I doubt that or we would not see a doubling of confirmed cases (sick people) every four days in every affected population.
Praying and hoping that quinine regimen proves efficacious.
It’s interesting in a morbid way that the two groups that seem generally dismissive are the ones most and least affected by it. Kids I understand because they’re kids and are being told it’s not as dangerous for them. Older people it’s inexplicable because the data is already pretty clear. It seems like many older people are dismissing it based solely on crankiness and distrust of the media. I get that, but is there no consideration that even a broken watch is right twice a day?
And in classic campfire fashion, the couple people who have spoken up with firsthand experience are being ignored or not believed in favor of people with zero experience but unshakable preconceived notions.
+1 that is the standard MO...People with experience get ignored
I know several health care providers, some are very concerned .....some not so much. People in the health care business are human, just like the rest of us. Some react in near panic, to some it’s another day in the office. memtb
My point was more the warning signs were there, just like in 41, lots of people didn’t want to see them. And when it finally happened...
Doesn't the same argument work the other way? Coming Ice age Hole in the ozone SARS Swine Flu Global Warning AIDS ravaging the hetero community Y2K etc.
Lots of people saw our imminent deaths then as well. I'm not saying it isn't serious and I'm not saying it won't kill you. I will say the reaction is out of proportion, IMO.
Feel free to panic. Just don't look to include me. I have prepared as well as I can, through the years. Shrill screaming will not improve my situation. I've never mastered panic. Have fun.
Panic here? no. Preparation? yes. Full pantry, new will? Yes. Hiding in a closet? No.
But I am grateful that authorities are taking steps to give me a better shot at adequate medical care when I do inevitably catch this virus. I would like to be around to enjoy the retirement I have prepared for.
My point was more the warning signs were there, just like in 41, lots of people didn’t want to see them. And when it finally happened...
Doesn't the same argument work the other way? Coming Ice age Hole in the ozone SARS Swine Flu Global Warning AIDS ravaging the hetero community Y2K etc.
Lots of people saw our imminent deaths then as well. I'm not saying it isn't serious and I'm not saying it won't kill you. I will say the reaction is out of proportion, IMO.
Feel free to panic. Just don't look to include me. I have prepared as well as I can, through the years. Shrill screaming will not improve my situation. I've never mastered panic. Have fun.
I’m not seeing panic, aside from the usual cable news suspects. What I am hearing is solid messaging to limit your contact with people who you don’t know for obviously good reasons...This stuff is factually very contagious. YMMV.
Feel free to walk amongst the people without worry. Having a positive outlook such as yours, will help improve your recovery time should you get it.
My point was more the warning signs were there, just like in 41, lots of people didn’t want to see them. And when it finally happened...
Doesn't the same argument work the other way? Coming Ice age Hole in the ozone SARS Swine Flu Global Warning AIDS ravaging the hetero community Y2K etc.
Lots of people saw our imminent deaths then as well. I'm not saying it isn't serious and I'm not saying it won't kill you. I will say the reaction is out of proportion, IMO.
Feel free to panic. Just don't look to include me. I have prepared as well as I can, through the years. Shrill screaming will not improve my situation. I've never mastered panic. Have fun.
I get what you’re saying 280, the media has cried wolf so many times no one believes them. But what if there is actually a wolf....
I’m not panicking personally, my family is at the lowest risk of it and we are well stocked. I’m trying to make it clear people should take it serious and make preparations accordingly if they have not already done so.
I know a significant number of people in West Michigan over the last few months that now believe they already had it. My self included. We had some really bad @#$% going around. The symptoms reported match those of COVID-19. Some of these folks work in the medical field. That bug was the worst I have had, if it got any worse, I was going to the hospital, couldn't breath ( not a normal flu or chest cold). I am in good shape no aliments 58, I could see how if you had any preconditions you are in a world of *&^%. One of my friends believes he had it and is now getting tested, as he can't get rid of his coughing. Reports of people coughing up blood. I may have had a really bad flu, but I will tell you I have had the flu many times, nothing like this. There is some bad ju ju out there. I hope to hell quinine works.
Agreed. Do what we can. Keep the blood pressure low. Rational thinking does not equal naysayer. Destroying the world's combined economies isn't helpful. How many deaths will that cause?
One thing that does appear to standout to me is that those who live relatively isolated and are pretty much away from the throngs are the least bothered or more unbelieving of the seriousness of the co virus.
To me, those that have the first hand knowledge of this thing should be heeded in their warnings.
As to the Political side of this, when has any potential large scale threat NOT had politics involved ?
Agreed. Do what we can. Keep the blood pressure low. Rational thinking does not equal naysayer. Destroying the world's combined economies isn't helpful. How many deaths will that cause?
I know a significant number of people in West Michigan over the last few months that now believe they already had it. My self included. We had some really bad @#$% going around. The symptoms reported match those of COVID-19. Some of these folks work in the medical field. That bug was the worst I have had, if it got any worse, I was going to the hospital, couldn't breath ( not a normal flu or chest cold). I am in good shape no aliments 58, I could see how if you had any preconditions you are in a world of *&^%. One of my friends believes he had it and is now getting tested, as he can't get rid of his coughing. Reports of people coughing up blood. I may have had a really bad flu, but I will tell you I have had the flu many times, nothing like this. There is some bad ju ju out there. I hope to hell quinine works.
Several people in our community had something like it too. A 90 year old said it was like nothing he’d ever experienced . Of course that doesn’t mean it was corona virus , but makes you wonder. Personally, I had a respiratory illness of some sort unlike ever. It was a little scary because I could definitely tell my breathing was hampered. Thankfully, I have strong lungs in the first place and generally am healthy.
One thing that does appear to standout to me is that those who live relatively isolated and are pretty much away from the throngs are the least bothered or more unbelieving of the seriousness of the co virus.
To me, those that have the first hand knowledge of this thing should be heeded in their warnings.
As to the Political side of this, when has any potential large scale threat NOT had politics involved ?
H1N1 and Obama. With me, it just might be what the MSM has done over the past 3+ years. When they scream that the sky is falling is generally when I step outside helmetless.
I know a significant number of people in West Michigan over the last few months that now believe they already had it. My self included. We had some really bad @#$% going around. The symptoms reported match those of COVID-19. Some of these folks work in the medical field. That bug was the worst I have had, if it got any worse, I was going to the hospital, couldn't breath ( not a normal flu or chest cold). I am in good shape no aliments 58, I could see how if you had any preconditions you are in a world of *&^%. One of my friends believes he had it and is now getting tested, as he can't get rid of his coughing. Reports of people coughing up blood. I may have had a really bad flu, but I will tell you I have had the flu many times, nothing like this. There is some bad ju ju out there. I hope to hell quinine works.
Several people in our community had something like it too. A 90 year old said it was like nothing he’d ever experienced . Of course that doesn’t mean it was corona virus , but makes you wonder. Personally, I had a respiratory illness of some sort unlike ever. It was a little scary because I could definitely tell my breathing was hampered. Thankfully, I have strong lungs in the first place and generally am healthy.
Same here, hit me Dec 26, woke with a high fever that was virtually gone late that night, dry cough/aches/pains persisted for weeks. Wife had same deal but is a smoker and hers got damn near pneumonia before she shook it. We are both mid 50's Who knows?
One thing that does appear to standout to me is that those who live relatively isolated and are pretty much away from the throngs are the least bothered or more unbelieving of the seriousness of the co virus.
To me, those that have the first hand knowledge of this thing should be heeded in their warnings.
As to the Political side of this, when has any potential large scale threat NOT had politics involved ?
Maybe having a brain trust like Andrew Cuomo report on it helped. Maybe telling the public N95 masks are not effective, then telling them they are reserved for the doctors in the same breath. If you talk slowly and with simple words it will be co..rr..ect. FY....
You can calmly deal with a crisis with facts and common sense or ignorance, emotions and hysterics.
Oh I just hear from my cousin that the all us airborne and navy SEALs units are being activated to go house to house to take all the guns from Americans. I heard they are accessing states hunting license data bases to help ID gun owners. And I saw on facebook DHS is ramping up their poison bullet factories again too.
One thing that does appear to standout to me is that those who live relatively isolated and are pretty much away from the throngs are the least bothered or more unbelieving of the seriousness of the co virus.
To me, those that have the first hand knowledge of this thing should be heeded in their warnings.
As to the Political side of this, when has any potential large scale threat NOT had politics involved ?
Maybe having a brain trust like Andrew Cuomo report on it helped. Maybe telling the public N95 masks are not effective, then telling them they are reserved for the doctors in the same breath. If you talk slowly and with simple words it will be co..rr..ect. FY....
There’s always misinformation to consider and seems to be plenty of it out there.
yep despite the media doing everything they can to cause chaos and hysteria. Listening to the POTUS briefing now and just bish slapped an idiot WAPO reporter trying to ramp up hysteria.
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by KC
The Sky is Falling !!!
The Sky is Falling !!!
The Sky is Falling !!!
yep
You can calmly deal with a crisis with facts and common sense or ignorance, emotions and hysterics.
Just a comment.
I’d say Trump and his team are using facts and common sense in dealing with this.
another thing to keep in mind is that Covid attacks the same people the flu does. A lot of those people will get Covid before they would have gotten the flu. The overall result may end up being few if any more deaths than a normal flu season.
BTW, my doctor is still seeing patients who THINK they have Covid. So far NONE of them have it.
another thing to keep in mind is that Covid attacks the same people the flu does. A lot of those people will get Covid before they would have gotten the flu. The overall result may end up being few if any more deaths than a normal flu season.
BTW, my doctor is still seeing patients who THINK they have Covid. So far NONE of them have it.
Somewhat surprised that that much testing for it is presently available.
The reason this is being taken so seriously is not just because of its potential for serious illness and death, but because it's contagious as hell.
Also, the virus can live on dry surfaces for 3 days. I think that's one of the biggest considerations.
I think this — the contagiousness— is the deal. Figure it’s going to be everywhere which is why the self-isolating is so very important to keep the infection curve flatter and the death rate lower.
Why not all this back with the ZeroBama was battlin H1n1?
I'm pretty much in this camp. and something about the whole deal still has a fishy smell to me. And the Liberals moto of never waste a crisis makes it far worse
"I work in a hospital, or I have a friend who works in a hospital, and they are doing their best to keep this under the radar." Well, at the one I work at things are pretty much normal, with the exception of extra cleaning precautions.
"Have you every worked with a population of confined animals, that have a contagious disease?" Well, that is irrelevant because we are not a world population of confined animals. Animals yes, but far from confined and staying home from the local Red Lobster and McDonalds will have no significent effect in containing the spread. Just today, two different flower garden parking lots were fairly full with the gals getting their spring plantings. Was out on the road for a couple hours....Must have passed and been passed by at least 10,000 cars. Confined?????....I think not....
"Damn kids and millennials don't care. They go around licking toilet seats." Ok a few licked toilet seats and you fell for the clickbait and think that is their norm. I work with mostly millennials and on the whole they are extremely concerned. We had a guy who was on a cruise, but they turned around and came back to Florida. He was tested when he got off the ship and was cleared. Returned home and two weeks later was tested again by the hospital and cleared to return to work. Some of the millennials thought he should not be allowed and they voiced their opinion they didn't want to work with him. I guess those damn millennials just don't care. They were told he was cleared to work.....
Here is some classic scare tactic BS: It is almost a given one of them is going to die......
Originally Posted by cra1948
Wife has a close friend (they are godmothers to each other’s first born) who is a family practice MD. Her husband is an ER MD. They are very concerned. He is not going home after his shift....staying in a hotel near the hospital. She is staying home with their kids, says they are trying to make sure their kids come through this with at least one parent.
"Fake news is everywhere." Yet now we are to believe all they say about Covid-19.
"This will be Trumps finest hour." Well, what other option does he have than to pull out all the jokers in the deck and play them?
What isn't bullsheeet:
Originally Posted by ctsmith
Somebody help me with the math. Potentially millions infected in the US but we're still at around 200k world wide, and it started in the most dense population in world? I can't seem to reconcile that.
Originally Posted by memtb
OK, I take the bait! No illness or life threatening disease should be taken with impudence! However, at this point in time it appears to be blown completely out of proportion. As I have mentioned.....so far this flu season, 25K + Americans have died from the flu or complications thereof! In the 2017-2018 flu season, American deaths were 80K. Yet, it was barely spoken about....let alone “crash” the markets, shut down all public venues, empty grocery stores, and cause wholesale panic. It’s absolutely horrendous to those that have contradicted the disease, and to those who have lost loved ones. However, so far, at least in America, it pales in comparison to the 2017-2018 flu season......and I hope it stays that way!
another thing to keep in mind is that Covid attacks the same people the flu does. A lot of those people will get Covid before they would have gotten the flu. The overall result may end up being few if any more deaths than a normal flu season.
BTW, my doctor is still seeing patients who THINK they have Covid. So far NONE of them have it.
Somewhat surprised that that much testing for it is presently available.
Most of the people coming in have their usual seasonal allergies and associated sinus infections. Only now, they think they have the 'Rona and are going to die because of all the hype.
another thing to keep in mind is that Covid attacks the same people the flu does. A lot of those people will get Covid before they would have gotten the flu. The overall result may end up being few if any more deaths than a normal flu season.
BTW, my doctor is still seeing patients who THINK they have Covid. So far NONE of them have it.
Somewhat surprised that that much testing for it is presently available.
Most of the people coming in have their usual seasonal allergies and associated sinus infections. Only now, they think they have the 'Rona and are going to die because of all the hype.
Understood, Tyrone but how do the doctors know it ain’t?
What I’m asking about is available testing and if you guys and your area has that available, and if so then your area has done well in the preparation stage and I hope that’s the case.
One thing that does appear to standout to me is that those who live relatively isolated and are pretty much away from the throngs are the least bothered or more unbelieving of the seriousness of the co virus.
To me, those that have the first hand knowledge of this thing should be heeded in their warnings.
As to the Political side of this, when has any potential large scale threat NOT had politics involved ?
Maybe having a brain trust like Andrew Cuomo report on it helped. Maybe telling the public N95 masks are not effective, then telling them they are reserved for the doctors in the same breath. If you talk slowly and with simple words it will be co..rr..ect. FY....
There’s always misinformation to consider and seems to be plenty of it out there.
You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. You need to be strong enough to pick a side.
Story .. younger brother got a co worker who's wife had a "symptom " employer sent her home and told her not to return unless given a clean test. They check and finally found a "test" at the cost of $300 . WTF ??
Understood, Tyrone but how do the doctors know it ain’t?
What I’m asking about is available testing and if you guys and your area has that available, and if so then your area has done well in the preparation stage and I hope that’s the case.
I'm not the doctor, but my guess is he goes by the symptoms.
Oh, yeah, and strep is ever-popular.
I've noted that people in MI disproportionately seem to think they've had it already. Who knows? We never will. The denominator in the equation will forever be unknown.
One thing that does appear to standout to me is that those who live relatively isolated and are pretty much away from the throngs are the least bothered or more unbelieving of the seriousness of the co virus.
To me, those that have the first hand knowledge of this thing should be heeded in their warnings.
As to the Political side of this, when has any potential large scale threat NOT had politics involved ?
Maybe having a brain trust like Andrew Cuomo report on it helped. Maybe telling the public N95 masks are not effective, then telling them they are reserved for the doctors in the same breath. If you talk slowly and with simple words it will be co..rr..ect. FY....
There’s always misinformation to consider and seems to be plenty of it out there.
You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. You need to be strong enough to pick a side.
Agreed. I’ve picked mine. Error on the side of caution of what’s unknown and yet to be seen.
Trump and his team seem to have a very genuine concern about the whole situation.
I do confess that were Obama in the driver’s seat, I might have a more jaundiced eye towards this so there is that.
Was at the Docs today....Major University Medical Center....
You have or recently had a cold or symptoms of a cold? No... Unusual aches or pains? No Dry cough? NO Fever? No Alright let's take your temperature....You're good, Doc will see you shortly....Go pee in the cup and leave it on the self...
Doc sees me....I'd like to shake your hand, but I'm sure you understand....At your age, are you worried much about the virus?....Not really.....Ok, just pay attention.....
It’s interesting in a morbid way that the two groups that seem generally dismissive are the ones most and least affected by it. Kids I understand because they’re kids and are being told it’s not as dangerous for them. Older people it’s inexplicable because the data is already pretty clear. It seems like many older people are dismissing it based solely on crankiness and distrust of the media. I get that, but is there no consideration that even a broken watch is right twice a day?
And in classic campfire fashion, the couple people who have spoken up with firsthand experience are being ignored or not believed in favor of people with zero experience but unshakable preconceived notions.
The ones who are "dismissive", are not dismissing the virus. They're (we're) dismissing the response. We've pretty well tanked the economy, added at least a trillion to the debt (tell me the little kids won't be affected by that), and trampled the he'll out of liberty and the constitution. No one knows if any of this is necessary, but it's happening nevertheless.
And as for people with first hand knowledge speaking up and being ignored, what do you want us to do? You had a bad illness. You survived. My God, lets burn it all down!
It’s interesting in a morbid way that the two groups that seem generally dismissive are the ones most and least affected by it. Kids I understand because they’re kids and are being told it’s not as dangerous for them. Older people it’s inexplicable because the data is already pretty clear. It seems like many older people are dismissing it based solely on crankiness and distrust of the media. I get that, but is there no consideration that even a broken watch is right twice a day?
And in classic campfire fashion, the couple people who have spoken up with firsthand experience are being ignored or not believed in favor of people with zero experience but unshakable preconceived notions.
The ones who are "dismissive", are not dismissing the virus. They're (we're) dismissing the response. We've pretty well tanked the economy, added at least a trillion to the debt (tell me the little kids won't be affected by that), and trampled the he'll out of liberty and the constitution. No one knows if any of this is necessary, but it's happening nevertheless.
And as for people with first hand knowledge speaking up and being ignored, what do you want us to do? You had a bad illness. You survived. My God, lets burn it all down!
Are you saying, specifically, that it’s here but just let it ride?
I posted yesterday that as a business owner I was following their suggested protocol.
We are very severely limiting our contact with customers[many of those are medical and or medical related].
But I am also using my brain and not seeing where this level of hype is warranted. That may change, IDK exactly what to believe and the MSM is only driving me to think it's 70% hype/30% real. Can't help how I feel.
While more X100,000's are going to die this year from Cancer, MS, diabetes, parkinsons, etc and they get little more than a prayers sent from the campfire and then forgotten until the next request .... And an extra trillion is nowhere to be found....
Yet here we get the old folks bogie....self quarantine, which for the most part is complete BS....while the mail is being delivered-remember it can last for 3 days on a hard surface, but the mail goes around the world-,people are filling their gas tanks, going to the grocery store, having dinner with friends, getting haircuts, taking walks, must have been at least 100 out and about in the local park when I walked the Dog yesterday. Yea we are a confined population under quarantine....But hey, stay out the local restaurant, because it is exponential....joke.....
It’s interesting in a morbid way that the two groups that seem generally dismissive are the ones most and least affected by it. Kids I understand because they’re kids and are being told it’s not as dangerous for them. Older people it’s inexplicable because the data is already pretty clear. It seems like many older people are dismissing it based solely on crankiness and distrust of the media. I get that, but is there no consideration that even a broken watch is right twice a day?
And in classic campfire fashion, the couple people who have spoken up with firsthand experience are being ignored or not believed in favor of people with zero experience but unshakable preconceived notions.
The ones who are "dismissive", are not dismissing the virus. They're (we're) dismissing the response. We've pretty well tanked the economy, added at least a trillion to the debt (tell me the little kids won't be affected by that), and trampled the he'll out of liberty and the constitution. No one knows if any of this is necessary, but it's happening nevertheless.
And as for people with first hand knowledge speaking up and being ignored, what do you want us to do? You had a bad illness. You survived. My God, lets burn it all down!
Are you saying, specifically, that it’s here but just let it ride?
What response would you have given ?
I'm saying it's here. It will always be here. It will probably mutate. It will kill a bunch of people whose immune system can't deal with it. Either this year or next year, if something else doesn't get them first.
Every person dies. In all kinds of ways. Even if we could have saved every fatality so far, they will still die of something. You might as well get used to the idea.
Tanking the economy to maybe save a bunch of people who probably aren't long for this world anyway is a fool's errand. But we've pissed away a lot of folks 401ks. We've saddled future generations with at least another trillion in debt. And we might probably have kept some folks alive for a little longer.
Before you get all preachy about it would be different when it affects me personally, I'm in a high risk category. I've also been told that my job is "essential", so I don't have the option of sitting at home. Even if I did, I wouldn't want to. I have no intention of spending my (potentially) last few days, or months, or decades, cowering in fear.
I also have a three year old grand daughter. I'm more worried about leaving her with a [bleep] economy than we've enjoyed. If this gets me, I've had a good life. If it doesn't, I'll enjoy whatever time I have left having a better life. Unless the politicians f uck it all up.
"Have you every worked with a population of confined animals, that have a contagious disease?" Well, that is irrelevant because we are not a world population of confined animals. Animals yes, but far from confined and staying home from the local Red Lobster and McDonalds will have no significent effect in containing the spread. Just today, two different flower garden parking lots were fairly full with the gals getting their spring plantings. Was out on the road for a couple hours....Must have passed and been passed by at least 10,000 cars. Confined?????....I think not...
I think you missed my point. Which is minimizing the contact by isolating and spreading out time with infected parts of the population. No one has mentioned infectious units. A person (animal) has to be exposed to enough infectious units in order for the disease to progress to a harmful state. Makes sense that the more one animal (human) is exposed to other animals, who are possibly infected, they would likely pick up a higher load of infectious units. Well, it makes sense to me anyway, as someone who worked with infectious diseases.
Ask our rancher folks here if they move healthy animals away from unhealthy animals, even in a fairly "unconfined" space such as a pasture. And move any showing signs of disease elsewhere, away from the herd.
Basically, that's what is being attempted here by the "authorities". The garden ladies are much less likely (but not 100%) to contact one or more carriers than 17000 fans at a hockey game.............or even 250 customers at the Red Lobster in an evening. Should an infected person go to the Red Lobster, do you honesty think the bus person and wait staff will do a thorough job of cleaning where that person went over the course of their fine dining experience? However, an infected person has much less chance of contaminating a whole restaurant if they just stop the car and the staff hands a meal to them through the car window.
Again, I hope you and the pups are enjoying the spring. Ours hasn't come yet. 17F again this morning
While more X100,000's are going to die this year from Cancer, MS, diabetes, parkinsons, etc and they get little more than a prayers sent from the campfire and then forgotten until the next request .... And an extra trillion is nowhere to be found....
Yet here we get the old folks bogie....self quarantine, which for the most part is complete BS....while the mail is being delivered-remember it can last for 3 days on a hard surface, but the mail goes around the world-,people are filling their gas tanks, going to the grocery store, having dinner with friends, getting haircuts, taking walks, must have been at least 100 out and about in the local park when I walked the Dog yesterday. Yea we are a confined population under quarantine....But hey, stay out the local restaurant, because it is exponential....joke.....
Americans got the idea in their head during the 60s that instructions from the government were little more than weak suggestions. It may very well be the death of many who were young and frivolous during that time.
Have heard a handful of “naysayers,” but many more non-alarmists and pragmatists.
So is this were i can say it all again?
It is a cold virus. Odds are, most will come in contact with it eventually.
Many colds lead to viral bronchitis or pneumonitis. This one leads to severe viral pneumonitis in some persons. To GI distress in others. Or both. And others, just a vague viral syndrome or nothing at all. Understand, you’ve ALL been thru this before, MANY times.
Like every year, some barely know they had it, some get sick, and some do die of COMPLICATIONS of the illness..
This happens EVERY virus season.
Like most respiratory viruses, it hits the elderly, the immunocompromised, those with respiratory diseases the hardest. The rare, relatively well person, will also have a bad outcome. Not new. If you read carefully, MOST of them also had health risks, too. It does not mean “We’re all gonna die!!!”
This season’s cold virus is an exceptionally bad one, yes. Multiples of bad if in the high risk group. Yes, that’s bad. 3,4,5x as bad - it’s not perfectly known. On a ventilator-bad, yes. May not have enough ventilators-bad, yes. It is NOT, however, small pox or ebola. Some of you survived polio. Keep it in perspective.
Prevention = hygiene. Always been the case. “Social distancing” is an extension of that. I.e. limit the density of the virus persons encounter, and lessen the density of people interacting and sharing spit, air, surfaces. Always been true, and now more urgent.
There. Have tried to offer informed context without jargon and speculation. I call it “a cold” to keep it in perspective. It is not the boogie man. It is not the movie “The Happening.” Don’t like it? Not exciting enough? You can get all the hot air and panic you want on Tv and social media, then. The wing-flapping clucking hens who are all suddenly medical experts, watching cnn then turning to type on social media, will continue to do what they do.
I'm not sure what to make of it. My attitude is probably 60% naysayer / just being hyped and 40% should take it seriously. I have a loved one in my home with underlying health issues so we're treating is pretty darn seriously, despite my doubts.
I know one thing with certainty. If this is real, the media is 100% to blame for ALL of the skepticism. They've been lying for so long that at least 1/2 of the country doesn't believe anything they say anymore.
Geno: I understand what you are trying to tell me. Where we disagree, would be I think the numbers of those who are not restricted, and are potentially contagious, will eliminate any chance of having a significant flattening of the so called curve. More so, if the virus is as virulent as reported. Combine it with with the fact most who do contact it will survive and go on, and it will be with us next year and for many after that, then for now it is something we will have to learn to live and die with and from. However, I doubt it will be a killer of exponential proportions
Idaho: Americans long before the 60’s, had it in their mind instructions from the government should always be looked at with critical evaluation and assessment.
And unfortunately for those of us from the 60’s, many now pushing 80, there are many things that will soon be the death of us. It’s the way of it.....you just run the race, none win it...you telling us we were young and frivolous and equating it to covid, is little more than another of your fool errands..... ,
It's more infectious than the common flu. But it will turn out to be less deadly than the common flu when all the #s are in. Death rate in the USA 4.06% March 8 (22 deaths of 541 cases) 3.69% March 9 (26 of 704) 3.01% March 10 (30 of 994) 2.95% March 11 (38 of 1,295) 2.52% March 12 (42 of 1,695) 2.27% March 13 (49 of 2,247) 1.93% March 14 (57 of 2,954) 1.84% March 15 (68 of 3,680)
Story .. younger brother got a co worker who's wife had a "symptom " employer sent her home and told her not to return unless given a clean test. They check and finally found a "test" at the cost of $300 . WTF ??
Would we expect it to be free, or for someone else to pay for it?
Geno: I understand what you are trying to tell me. Where we disagree, would be I think the numbers of those who are not restricted, and are potentially contagious, will eliminate any chance of having a significant flattening of the so called curve. More so, if the virus is as virulent as reported. Combine it with with the fact most who do contact it will survive and go on, and it will be with us next year and for many after that, then for now it is something we will have to learn to live and die with and from. However, I doubt it will be a killer of exponential proportions
Idaho: Americans long before the 60’s, had it in their mind instructions from the government should always be looked at with critical evaluation and assessment.
And unfortunately for those of us from the 60’s, many now pushing 80, there are many things that will soon be the death of us. It’s the way of it.....you just run the race, none win it...you telling us we were young and frivolous and equating it to covid, is little more than another of your fool errands..... ,
Before the 60s, Americans typically held authority in high regard. WW I and WW II would have turned out much different had that not been the case.
That changed drastically during the 60s, primarily due to Socialist provocateurs.
Just some more math to ponder.....in one 7 day period, during this flu season, it’s estimated that 429000 people/day got the flu. Where is the media during this “earth shattering” news! Oh, that’s right ......just another flu season! Perhaps “if”, everyone self- quarantined, businesses shut down, public gatherings stopped, travel stopped, the “sanitizing” of every possible contact surface ......we could reduce these flu numbers as well! memtb
And "the flu" does not hospitalize 20% of those diagnosed, nor kill 50% of those hospitalized. Nor does the number of those diagnosed with the flu double every four days.
If one does not consider that a signiticant difference, there is little hope.
Geno: I understand what you are trying to tell me. Where we disagree, would be I think the numbers of those who are not restricted, and are potentially contagious, will eliminate any chance of having a significant flattening of the so called curve. More so, if the virus is as virulent as reported. Combine it with with the fact most who do contact it will survive and go on, and it will be with us next year and for many after that, then for now it is something we will have to learn to live and die with and from. However, I doubt it will be a killer of exponential proportions
Idaho: Americans long before the 60’s, had it in their mind instructions from the government should always be looked at with critical evaluation and assessment.
And unfortunately for those of us from the 60’s, many now pushing 80, there are many things that will soon be the death of us. It’s the way of it.....you just run the race, none win it...you telling us we were young and frivolous and equating it to covid, is little more than another of your fool errands..... ,
Before the 60s, Americans typically held authority in high regard. WW I and WW II would have turned out much different had that not been the case.
That changed drastically during the 60s, primarily due to Socialist provocateurs.
I’m not the tinfoil type. But believe the media is making this 10x worse than what needs to be.
Wrong. The media is making it 100,000 X worse.
Pretty much everyone that comes in contact with it can/will get it, no immunity.
For the naysayers:
The problem is hospital beds (and mortality rate). The U.S has +/- 2.77beds/1,000 people...for comparison, Italy has 3.18, s Korea has 12.27, Japan has 13.05 (I assume a positive from the SARS outbreak)
Say 1,000 people get the virus, 150 need hospital care (15%), 50 need ICU (5%). there aren't enough hospital beds to even cover the ICU patients.
With good care, Covid 19 is 10-20 times as deadly at the flu, with no care 30 times as deadly?, 50 times as deadly? Italy will be a barometer.
If 100M people get the coronavirus (herd immunity for Covid 19 is unknown but estimates range from 29-74%. So, 100M is on the low side), and care is good, the numbers say 600K - 1.2M will die from it. Without good care (which we will not have in the U.S. in the event of a widespread epidemic), I am thinking those numbers will be higher.
It doesn't just kill old people either...those on blood pressure medication (any of you?) are at high risk...5%
Our immune system CAN overcome it. Not everyone’s will and that’s sad. The world will not end however.
Immune systems really kicked ass on, say, Cancer and Ebola , eh ?
Grins
Didn’t know we were talking about cancer and Ebola. Typical liberal tactic though. Now go buy all the toilet paper you can fit in your trunk .
As a reminder we were talking about immune systems that you brought up, not me. Question for you.
Cancer a virus?
Yours seems to be a typical liberal tactic to slip off and defer from the original focus. Well played.
We are talking about corona virus as the title of the thread states
As a gentle reminder to you, it was you that said our immune systems would overcome this virus. You took it to the immune system arena but now have backed off a little bit on that?
If our “immune systems are so strong as to overcome and negate this threat, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you fill in the blanks to your ongoing statements about that.
It’s interesting in a morbid way that the two groups that seem generally dismissive are the ones most and least affected by it. Kids I understand because they’re kids and are being told it’s not as dangerous for them. Older people it’s inexplicable because the data is already pretty clear. It seems like many older people are dismissing it based solely on crankiness and distrust of the media. I get that, but is there no consideration that even a broken watch is right twice a day?
And in classic campfire fashion, the couple people who have spoken up with firsthand experience are being ignored or not believed in favor of people with zero experience but unshakable preconceived notions.
The ones who are "dismissive", are not dismissing the virus. They're (we're) dismissing the response. We've pretty well tanked the economy, added at least a trillion to the debt (tell me the little kids won't be affected by that), and trampled the he'll out of liberty and the constitution. No one knows if any of this is necessary, but it's happening nevertheless.
And as for people with first hand knowledge speaking up and being ignored, what do you want us to do? You had a bad illness. You survived. My God, lets burn it all down!
Are you saying, specifically, that it’s here but just let it ride?
What response would you have given ?
I'm saying it's here. It will always be here. It will probably mutate. It will kill a bunch of people whose immune system can't deal with it. Either this year or next year, if something else doesn't get them first.
Every person dies. In all kinds of ways. Even if we could have saved every fatality so far, they will still die of something. You might as well get used to the idea.
Tanking the economy to maybe save a bunch of people who probably aren't long for this world anyway is a fool's errand. But we've pissed away a lot of folks 401ks. We've saddled future generations with at least another trillion in debt. And we might probably have kept some folks alive for a little longer.
Before you get all preachy about it would be different when it affects me personally, I'm in a high risk category. I've also been told that my job is "essential", so I don't have the option of sitting at home. Even if I did, I wouldn't want to. I have no intention of spending my (potentially) last few days, or months, or decades, cowering in fear.
I also have a three year old grand daughter. I'm more worried about leaving her with a [bleep] economy than we've enjoyed. If this gets me, I've had a good life. If it doesn't, I'll enjoy whatever time I have left having a better life. Unless the politicians f uck it all up.
Ain’t anyone “preaching “ here, Dassa. You do what you think is right and I sincerely wish you well being that you’re in the high risk category.
I see posts here saying some people in the medical community don’t think this is a big deal. My experience is just the opposite. Through coincidence of timing my wife and I are each dealing with medical issues that are urgent but not life threatening. All of our providers and all of their team members are now treating this extremely seriously. Some of our contacts moved to telemedicine this week. I expect that is the wave of the future when this virus is history.
I see posts here saying some people in the medical community don’t think this is a big deal. My experience is just the opposite. Through coincidence of timing my wife and I are each dealing with medical issues that are urgent but not life threatening. All of our providers and all of their team members are now treating this extremely seriously. Some of our contacts moved to telemedicine this week. I expect that is the wave of the future when this virus is history.
I,too, believe that it will set future treatment protocols and methods. Hopefully they’ll be in the right directions.
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
Geno: I understand what you are trying to tell me. Combine it with with the fact most who do contact it will survive and go on, and it will be with us next year and for many after that, then for now it is something we will have to learn to live and die with and from. However, I doubt it will be a killer of exponential proportions
I certainly hope you're the correct one Battue.
I do hope the measures being take flatten the curve some. I'm not so sure the economic events occurring are the direct result of the measures. More so, I think it's the panic syndrome humans seem to be so fond of. Perhaps other species too, when one sees those videos of African herd animals, thousands of them fleeing one lioness.
Enjoy your afternoon and the rest of this interesting set of circumstances.
Wife has a close friend (they are godmothers to each other’s first born) who is a family practice MD. Her husband is an ER MD. They are very concerned. He is not going home after his shift....staying in a hotel near the hospital. She is staying home with their kids, says they are trying to make sure their kids come through this with at least one parent.
This is hard to contemplate. My heart is with them.
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
And "the flu" does not hospitalize 20% of those diagnosed, nor kill 50% of those hospitalized. Nor does the number of those diagnosed with the flu double every four days.
If one does not consider that a signiticant difference, there is little hope.
Please enlighten us to the source of your “facts.” That would be a 10% death rate...
My father walked into the hospital January, 8 years ago at age 90 with pneumonia. He rolled out in a hearse 10 days later. When he was admitting, the nurse said, "This hospital is full of old people with pneumonia"
If COVID-19 is 10X as contagious, it is possible the annual 60,000 flu and pneumonia deaths could increase to the point of hospital overflow. That could get on the radar of the 3,000,000 deaths we have each year.
"A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin
If just one extra person dies, the liberal media will be there.
Times like this demand well thought, measured reactions. Unfortunately it seems our representatives our blindfolded swinging wildly at an economic pinata. They're knocking the [bleep] out it and money's flying out of it in every direction, none of which seems to have a chance of helping even in the short term, and the long term damage we're doing will make the pain we suffer from the outbreak look mild.
No doubt, this is very serious, and obviously some tough measures have to be taken, but you don't burn your house to the ground to get rid of a cock roach infestation, and that is EXACTLY what we are doing right now. If the feds actually shut the entire country down for 14 days, it WILL become 30. At that point all bets are off. I'll be heading to the hills with as much ammo and food as I can and taking any necessary measures needed to protect my family. Anyone that thinks you can turn our economy off like a light switch for 30 days, and then just turn it back on and everything s back to normal is an idiot. We're talking a socio/economic reset and more than likely an entirely new form of society and governance. I don't think we're going to like the new structure forced upon us.
Why not all this back with the ZeroBama was battlin H1n1?
That’s where I’m at. Where were all of you when 30-60,000 Americans died of the flu the past two years.
^^^This^^^
Only a little over 200 Americans have died so far. It’s the Flu, maybe a highly contagious one, but does not seem to be as deadly as the Fake News Media is making it out to be.
Times like this demand well thought, measured reactions. Unfortunately it seems our representatives our blindfolded swinging wildly at an economic pinata. They're knocking the [bleep] out it and money's flying out of it in every direction, none of which seems to have a chance of helping even in the short term, and the long term damage we're doing will make the pain we suffer from the outbreak look mild.
No doubt, this is very serious, and obviously some tough measures have to be taken, but you don't burn your house to the ground to get rid of a cock roach infestation, and that is EXACTLY what we are doing right now. If the feds actually shut the entire country down for 14 days, it WILL become 30. At that point all bets are off. I'll be heading to the hills with as much ammo and food as I can and taking any necessary measures needed to protect my family. Anyone that thinks you can turn our economy off like a light switch for 30 days, and then just turn it back on and everything s back to normal is an idiot. We're talking a socio/economic reset and more than likely an entirely new form of society and governance. I don't think we're going to like the new structure forced upon us.
World economy and not just ours.
Wait till this stuff hits Africa, Philippines, Indonesia.
Times like this demand well thought, measured reactions. Unfortunately it seems our representatives our blindfolded swinging wildly at an economic pinata. They're knocking the [bleep] out it and money's flying out of it in every direction, none of which seems to have a chance of helping even in the short term, and the long term damage we're doing will make the pain we suffer from the outbreak look mild.
No doubt, this is very serious, and obviously some tough measures have to be taken, but you don't burn your house to the ground to get rid of a cock roach infestation, and that is EXACTLY what we are doing right now. If the feds actually shut the entire country down for 14 days, it WILL become 30. At that point all bets are off. I'll be heading to the hills with as much ammo and food as I can and taking any necessary measures needed to protect my family. Anyone that thinks you can turn our economy off like a light switch for 30 days, and then just turn it back on and everything s back to normal is an idiot. We're talking a socio/economic reset and more than likely an entirely new form of society and governance. I don't think we're going to like the new structure forced upon us.
World economy and not just ours.
Wait till this stuff hits Africa, Philippines, Indonesia.
Hoping it doesn’t and that this is short lived.
When/if this mess is over and we're still a sovereign country with a rational President (Trump) I hope he takes it to China with both barrels and beats them back into the Ming dynasty. He should make sure their economy and military is neutered for generations.
Times like this demand well thought, measured reactions. Unfortunately it seems our representatives our blindfolded swinging wildly at an economic pinata. They're knocking the [bleep] out it and money's flying out of it in every direction, none of which seems to have a chance of helping even in the short term, and the long term damage we're doing will make the pain we suffer from the outbreak look mild.
No doubt, this is very serious, and obviously some tough measures have to be taken, but you don't burn your house to the ground to get rid of a cock roach infestation, and that is EXACTLY what we are doing right now. If the feds actually shut the entire country down for 14 days, it WILL become 30. At that point all bets are off. I'll be heading to the hills with as much ammo and food as I can and taking any necessary measures needed to protect my family. Anyone that thinks you can turn our economy off like a light switch for 30 days, and then just turn it back on and everything s back to normal is an idiot. We're talking a socio/economic reset and more than likely an entirely new form of society and governance. I don't think we're going to like the new structure forced upon us.
World economy and not just ours.
Wait till this stuff hits Africa, Philippines, Indonesia.
Hoping it doesn’t and that this is short lived.
When/if this mess is over and we're still a sovereign country with a rational President (Trump) I hope he takes it to China with both barrels and beats them back into the Ming dynasty. He should make sure their economy and military is neutered for generations.
Jm, I think it’s a little late for China punitive to have long term effects. Whether we like it or not they’re a major world power economic and military wise. They have many other world portals to draw from and they’ll use them. The EU will bend to their will, economically.
There’s something at the foundation of our humanity that secretly yearns for an apocalypse, despite it not being in our best interests. This is as old as our species.
Everyone just needs to stop long enough for us to figure out where the disease is, so we can deal with it. We’ll all be better off, the less we freak out.
The media is not helping the situation. Everyone need to step back and breathe.
This is a last ditch hail mary power play by the global new world order elites. They are losing and backed into a corner, and as we all know a cornered desperate animal is very dangerous.
Why not all this back with the ZeroBama was battlin H1n1?
That’s where I’m at. Where were all of you when 30-60,000 Americans died of the flu the past two years.
^^^This^^^
Only a little over 200 Americans have died so far. It’s the Flu, maybe a highly contagious one, but does not seem to be as deadly as the Fake News Media is making it out to be.
It’s not the flu and it’s a mistake to compare SARS-COV-2 to the flu.
This is a last ditch hail mary power play by the global new world order elites. They are losing and backed into a corner, and as we all know a cornered desperate animal is very dangerous.
There’s certainly an element of this in some of the messaging coming from the media and China, but this disease needs to be taken seriously, especially in the immediate present and future.
Why not all this back with the ZeroBama was battlin H1n1?
That’s where I’m at. Where were all of you when 30-60,000 Americans died of the flu the past two years.
^^^This^^^
Only a little over 200 Americans have died so far. It’s the Flu, maybe a highly contagious one, but does not seem to be as deadly as the Fake News Media is making it out to be.
It’s not the flu and it’s a mistake to compare SARS-COV-2 to the flu.
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Does that make the fatalities irrelevant? Those lives lost too soon are of no consequence? It is wrong to strive to slow that same loss of life in America?
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Does that make the fatalities irrelevant? Those lives lost too soon are of no consequence? It is wrong to strive to slow that same loss of life in America?
We have many, many at risk, health compromised people here in the USA and this is gonna slam them hard if the social distancing and isolation doesn’t get observed.
And "the flu" does not hospitalize 20% of those diagnosed, nor kill 50% of those hospitalized. Nor does the number of those diagnosed with the flu double every four days.
If one does not consider that a signiticant difference, there is little hope.
Please enlighten us to the source of your “facts.” That would be a 10% death rate...
And "the flu" does not hospitalize 20% of those diagnosed, nor kill 50% of those hospitalized. Nor does the number of those diagnosed with the flu double every four days.
If one does not consider that a signiticant difference, there is little hope.
Please enlighten us to the source of your “facts.” That would be a 10% death rate...
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Does that make the fatalities irrelevant? Those lives lost too soon are of no consequence? It is wrong to strive to slow that same loss of life in America?
The younger folks have no regard for the old farts who gave them the richest country on earth and highest standard of living in the history of mankind and ask them to avoid the crowds or bars a couple of weeks and, well.... sheesh.
And "the flu" does not hospitalize 20% of those diagnosed, nor kill 50% of those hospitalized. Nor does the number of those diagnosed with the flu double every four days.
If one does not consider that a signiticant difference, there is little hope.
Please enlighten us to the source of your “facts.” That would be a 10% death rate...
Italy Coronavirus Cases: 47,021 Deaths: 4,032 Recovered: 5,129 Looks pretty darned close to 10% to me.
Confirmed cases. With the shortage of test kits available the actual number infected would be much higher than confirmed cases they list. Therefore death rate would be much less than 10%.
Cable news makes money from one source. Advertisers. Cost of advertising rises in correlation with the number of viewers. Sensationalism brings viewership up. The media has every reason to blow this out of proportion. Couple that with their undying hatred for Trump and desperation to unseat him in an election year and you have what we're seeing now. A dangerous situation being used to push an agenda. No doubt about it, measures need taken, but crashing the global economy seems a pretty extreme measures to save even a few hundred thousand lives
Confirmed cases. With the shortage of test kits available the actual number infected would be much higher than confirmed cases they list. Therefore death rate would be much less than 10%.
Cable news makes money from one source. Advertisers. Cost of advertising rises in correlation with the number of viewers. Sensationalism brings viewership up. The media has every reason to blow this out of proportion. Couple that with their undying hatred for Trump and desperation to unseat him in an election year and you have what we're seeing now. A dangerous situation being used to push an agenda. No doubt about it, measures need taken, but crashing the global economy seems a pretty extreme measures to save even a few hundred thousand lives
I wonder why People with AIDS weren't quarantined and sequestered when it was discovered to be incurable, fatal, and at that time was confined in a very careless and identified population. While I'm sure sneezing doesn't readily spread aids it was known to be contagious and readily transmissible. In 2018 there were about 38,000,000 infected people worldwide who are recruiting way over a million new cases a year. And this is a disease that kills without very expensive lifelong treatment. Treatment which only arrests symptoms and leaves the patient feeling good enough to get out without restriction and spread the joy. This corona thing I guess doesn't bring stigma on a protected group and is being used as a basis to destroy a world economy even though over 90 % will survive just fine and by the time it's over the human race will be immune and probably richer if we wouldn't up our national mortgage to mollify a bunch of scaredy cat people.
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Does that make the fatalities irrelevant? Those lives lost too soon are of no consequence? It is wrong to strive to slow that same loss of life in America?
One life lost to disease, illness, drugs, etc. is too many. However, the “criminality” of it all, is the response to this virus coupled with the Russian started “oil-war”. These two things together, have “tanked” the world economy, and conveniently just prior to the US presidential election! The “hypocrisy” of the media’s actions on this event , are very relevant when hundreds of thousands (worldwide) die annually to the flu, tuberculosis, and assorted other diseases and yet are barely mentioned in the press. memtb
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Does that make the fatalities irrelevant? Those lives lost too soon are of no consequence? It is wrong to strive to slow that same loss of life in America?
One life lost to disease, illness, drugs, etc. is too many. However, the “criminality” of it all, is the response to this virus coupled with the Russian started “oil-war”. These two things together, have “tanked” the world economy, and conveniently just prior to the US presidential election! The “hypocrisy” of the media’s actions on this event , are very relevant when hundreds of thousands (worldwide) die annually to the flu, tuberculosis, and assorted other diseases and yet are barely mentioned in the press. memtb
How would you have responded to the virus if you were in trump’s position? What actions would you have taken ?
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
They were already on the doorstep and the Corona virus gave them a good kick in the a ss .
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
They were already on the doorstep and the Corona virus gave them a good kick in the a ss .
Your point?
I guess their immune system failed them or it didn’t get the message that a virus was upon them.
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
They were already on the doorstep and the Corona virus gave them a good kick in the a ss .
Your point?
I guess their immune system failed them or it didn’t get the message that a virus was upon them.
Are you that dumb? Why should the Corona virus get all the blame if they were about to die in 2 months without getting it?
I’m not the tinfoil type. But believe the media is making this 10x worse than what needs to be.
I’m in this camp, it’s not wide spread like they say and not worthy of such panicking, it’s not on every state but people are scared like it’s walking around on its own infecting people, too many movies I guess.
I’m not the tinfoil type. But believe the media is making this 10x worse than what needs to be.
I’m in this camp, it’s not wide spread like they say and not worthy of such panicking, it’s not on every state but people are scared like it’s walking around on its own infecting people, too many movies I guess.
I wonder why People with AIDS weren't quarantined and sequestered when it was discovered to be incurable, fatal, and at that time was confined in a very careless and identified population. While I'm sure sneezing doesn't readily spread aids it was known to be contagious and readily transmissible. In 2018 there were about 38,000,000 infected people worldwide who are recruiting way over a million new cases a year. And this is a disease that kills without very expensive lifelong treatment. Treatment which only arrests symptoms and leaves the patient feeling good enough to get out without restriction and spread the joy. This corona thing I guess doesn't bring stigma on a protected group and is being used as a basis to destroy a world economy even though over 90 % will survive just fine and by the time it's over the human race will be immune and probably richer if we wouldn't up our national mortgage to mollify a bunch of scaredy cat people.
That holds true to some extent in our country, at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic.
Not so in other parts of the world where it was/is spread by everyday folks doing everyday things.
It’s generally accepted that the Covid-19 (Coronavirus) is real and dangerous! We can debate whether it is truly near Apocalyptic Proportions or “overhyped” by the press. We also know the recommended health practices that will help reduce your risk of contracting the disease. One thing rarely mentioned, if ever is .....the effect of stress on the body’s immune system. Perhaps if we could reduce our fears and anxieties....it would be one more weapon in our arsenal to fight this disease. Once you’ve done all that you can do......you can’t panic over that which of you have no control. This is what the MayoClinic has to say about stress and the human immune system. memtb
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Does that make the fatalities irrelevant? Those lives lost too soon are of no consequence? It is wrong to strive to slow that same loss of life in America?
Death is inevitable.....our understanding of death isn’t. However if we understand the virus and are able to identify those that are most susceptible to it we are better able to target the most vulnerable groups. By targeting the most vulnerable and providing them with the tools needed to combat it (by not contracting it) we prove that those lives are anything but “irrelevant” and that they are of great consequence to us. The efforts that have gone into saving lives and preventing its spread have shown how much we value every life, from the unborn to the elderly at the end of their life, every life is a gift from God.
Highlighting the truth behind the statistics does NOT diminish those deaths but it does show the truth about those deaths that were merely a statistic until broken down. The facts as outlined above are significant indicators that this virus isn’t the fatal blow to society as we know it. It doesn’t appear to severely affect healthy adults and it appears to have even LESS impact on the young. That’s a GOOD THING! Since most every fatality had significant underlying medical issues and the average age of the victims were several years past the average life expectancy it shows that this virus doesn’t seem to stand up to a healthy immune system. It’s quite literally the type of disease that thins the herd by preying on the weak. These are the most fragile of fragile patients and the truth is that if there wasn’t a worldwide panic currently underway their death would be expected and “normal”. That is in no way meant to diminish the loss of the loved ones nor is it intended as an insult, it’s simply the truth about nature doing what nature does.
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Does that make the fatalities irrelevant? Those lives lost too soon are of no consequence? It is wrong to strive to slow that same loss of life in America?
Death is inevitable.....our understanding of death isn’t. However if we understand the virus and are able to identify those that are most susceptible to it we are better able to target the most vulnerable groups. By targeting the most vulnerable and providing them with the tools needed to combat it (by not contracting it) we prove that those lives are anything but “irrelevant” and that they are of great consequence to us. The efforts that have gone into saving lives and preventing its spread have shown how much we value every life, from the unborn to the elderly at the end of their life, every life is a gift from God.
Highlighting the truth behind the statistics does NOT diminish those deaths but it does show the truth about those deaths that were merely a statistic until broken down. The facts as outlined above are significant indicators that this virus isn’t the fatal blow to society as we know it. It doesn’t appear to severely affect healthy adults and it appears to have even LESS impact on the young. That’s a GOOD THING! Since most every fatality had significant underlying medical issues and the average age of the victims were several years past the average life expectancy it shows that this virus doesn’t seem to stand up to a healthy immune system. It’s quite literally the type of disease that thins the herd by preying on the weak. These are the most fragile of fragile patients and the truth is that if there wasn’t a worldwide panic currently underway their death would be expected and “normal”. That is in no way meant to diminish the loss of the loved ones nor is it intended as an insult, it’s simply the truth about nature doing what nature does.
Damn good post. Old Toot says we can’t talk about immune systems though . That doesn’t jive with CNN 🤣
Having lived through a number of deadly epidemics like measles, mumps, etc. I was a naysayer. I have reformed. The county is doing a good job of picking up bodies. They work like major speed bumps until they get flattened down a bit. But I had to kill three zombies to get out of the driveway this morning. So while this corvid thing is nothing to sneeze at it sure ain't doomsday. But I could be wrong, 14 infected in the entire state so it's spreading like wildfire.
Gotta crawl under the bed and whimper now. And hug all my Charmin so I can "bear" it.
Having lived through a number of deadly epidemics like measles, mumps, etc. I was a naysayer. I have reformes. The county is doing a good job of picking up bodies. They work like major speed bumps until they get flattened down a bit. But I had to kill three zombies to get out of the driveway this morning. So while this corvid thing is nothing to sneeze at it sure ain't doomsday. But I could be wrong, 19 infected in the entire state so it's spreading like wildfire.
Gotta crawl under the bed and whimper now. And hug all my Charmin so I can bear it.
Don't forget your Purell and a few bags of rice and beans.
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
They were already on the doorstep and the Corona virus gave them a good kick in the a ss .
Your point?
I guess their immune system failed them or it didn’t get the message that a virus was upon them.
Are you that dumb? Why should the Corona virus get all the blame if they were about to die in 2 months without getting it?
Me dumb ?
I guess you’re a doctor and even knew these people personally.
You need to go walk around nursing homes and hospitals and hospice groups and put a tag on the sick and elderly letting them know just how long they have left on earth being the all seeing all knowing clairvoyant that you are.
Please demonstrate, right here at The Campfire, how smart you are.
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Does that make the fatalities irrelevant? Those lives lost too soon are of no consequence? It is wrong to strive to slow that same loss of life in America?
Death is inevitable.....our understanding of death isn’t. However if we understand the virus and are able to identify those that are most susceptible to it we are better able to target the most vulnerable groups. By targeting the most vulnerable and providing them with the tools needed to combat it (by not contracting it) we prove that those lives are anything but “irrelevant” and that they are of great consequence to us. The efforts that have gone into saving lives and preventing its spread have shown how much we value every life, from the unborn to the elderly at the end of their life, every life is a gift from God.
Highlighting the truth behind the statistics does NOT diminish those deaths but it does show the truth about those deaths that were merely a statistic until broken down. The facts as outlined above are significant indicators that this virus isn’t the fatal blow to society as we know it. It doesn’t appear to severely affect healthy adults and it appears to have even LESS impact on the young. That’s a GOOD THING! Since most every fatality had significant underlying medical issues and the average age of the victims were several years past the average life expectancy it shows that this virus doesn’t seem to stand up to a healthy immune system. It’s quite literally the type of disease that thins the herd by preying on the weak. These are the most fragile of fragile patients and the truth is that if there wasn’t a worldwide panic currently underway their death would be expected and “normal”. That is in no way meant to diminish the loss of the loved ones nor is it intended as an insult, it’s simply the truth about nature doing what nature does.
Damn good post. Old Toot says we can’t talk about immune systems though . That doesn’t jive with CNN 🤣
I believe that it’s you trying to distance yourself from the “immune “ issues and your refusal to acknowledge your rather stupid statements here on this thread and I’m being kind to you.
There’s been much good info as it relates to how this virus vs immune works or doesn’t work.
Got a call early this morning from a dear friend. His wife passed away earlier this morning, she had been in failing health.
Upon getting her to the Emergency Room he was made to leave and told to wait outside the hospital and they took his cell phone number. He went to the parking garage and waited for hours and got the text that she had passed. He called me from the parking garage.
He was not allowed to enter the hospital to see her and spend final private moments with his life’s partner.
As of an hour ago the funeral home can’t tell the family anything related to what the service for her might hold.
I write this in case others here may possibly have a similar situation and as to what you might expect should the worst come to pass.
Here's what bothers me the most..............go back to when Obama was trying to get Obamacare passed, and remember when it was being said that under his program certain sick people who weren't going to get any better would just be allowed to die, rather than having money kept being spent on them just to keep them alive. Conservatives everywhere got all pizzed off about that, and made a really big deal out it..........as we should have.
Now, think about what some of you are saying now about this..........well, old people are going to die anyway, it's just a matter of time, so does it really matter if they get corona or not. So, it was wrong for Obama to want to turn Aunt Martha's ventilator off because it was costing the government money, but it's okay for her to get corona and die, because only the strong survive. What's the difference?
Here's what bothers me the most..............go back to when Obama was trying to get Obamacare passed, and remember when it was being said that under his program certain sick people who weren't going to get any better would just be allowed to die, rather than having money kept being spent on them just to keep them alive. Conservatives everywhere got all pizzed off about that, and made a really big deal out it..........as we should have.
Now, think about what some of you are saying now about this..........well, old people are going to die anyway, it's just a matter of time, so does it really matter if they get corona or not. So, it was wrong for Obama to want to turn Aunt Martha's ventilator off because it was costing the government money, but it's okay for her to get corona and die, because only the strong survive. What's the difference?
The difference is that Corona isn't a group of bureaucrats picking the losers. The difference is that ZeroCare removes personal choice on healthcare spending. If a billionaire wants to spend the entire billion keeping alive for the next week, ZeroCare wouldn't allow that.
We are all going to die someday. I don't think we should be forced to live our lives keeping someone alive for an extra week. However, the sick should be allowed to do whatever they see fit to keep themselves alive. It's all about rights. It's not a right if it requires someone else to do something they don't want to do.
Now, think about what some of you are saying now about this..........well, old people are going to die anyway, it's just a matter of time, so does it really matter if they get corona or not....
Not that it doesn't matter at all, but it matters less to some that those much nearer their natural expiry date, matter less in the prospective future big picture.
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Does that make the fatalities irrelevant? Those lives lost too soon are of no consequence? It is wrong to strive to slow that same loss of life in America?
Death is inevitable.....our understanding of death isn’t. However if we understand the virus and are able to identify those that are most susceptible to it we are better able to target the most vulnerable groups. By targeting the most vulnerable and providing them with the tools needed to combat it (by not contracting it) we prove that those lives are anything but “irrelevant” and that they are of great consequence to us. The efforts that have gone into saving lives and preventing its spread have shown how much we value every life, from the unborn to the elderly at the end of their life, every life is a gift from God.
Highlighting the truth behind the statistics does NOT diminish those deaths but it does show the truth about those deaths that were merely a statistic until broken down. The facts as outlined above are significant indicators that this virus isn’t the fatal blow to society as we know it. It doesn’t appear to severely affect healthy adults and it appears to have even LESS impact on the young. That’s a GOOD THING! Since most every fatality had significant underlying medical issues and the average age of the victims were several years past the average life expectancy it shows that this virus doesn’t seem to stand up to a healthy immune system. It’s quite literally the type of disease that thins the herd by preying on the weak. These are the most fragile of fragile patients and the truth is that if there wasn’t a worldwide panic currently underway their death would be expected and “normal”. That is in no way meant to diminish the loss of the loved ones nor is it intended as an insult, it’s simply the truth about nature doing what nature does.
Damn good post. Old Toot says we can’t talk about immune systems though . That doesn’t jive with CNN 🤣
I believe that it’s you trying to distance yourself from the “immune “ issues and your refusal to acknowledge your rather stupid statements here on this thread and I’m being kind to you.
There’s been much good info as it relates to how this virus vs immune works or doesn’t work.
If it hits my fam i figure we lose a couple young a couple medium and most of the old.
Most of em mine.
Its just wait and see.
Might all skate through fine. Am just prepping myself emotionally in case they dont.
To hold it together for the others when chit happens. Death doesnt bother me, but i gotta make sure it doesnt catch me off guard and add to instability ....for the kids sake
There’s been some pretty hot exchanges between some here who think that this whole Co virus thing is a hoax and those who think it is real and deadly.
I’m in the second group.
So, who here will step up - now - and call it all a bunch of Bullscchhitt ?
We have raised our response level from "she's right mate" to "she'll be right mate"...though I did hear a "what...you are [bleep] me" just yesterday.
Victoria is closing non essential business and schools on Tuesday and looking at closing all interstate travel, my daughter will be back home tomorrow for the duration.
We will be right though as we can always wander out and get a couple of killers from a local farmer.
Has anyone noticed that this would be an excellent time for an aggressive nation to expand their territory?
Got a call early this morning from a dear friend. His wife passed away earlier this morning, she had been in failing health.
Upon getting her to the Emergency Room he was made to leave and told to wait outside the hospital and they took his cell phone number. He went to the parking garage and waited for hours and got the text that she had passed. He called me from the parking garage.
He was not allowed to enter the hospital to see her and spend final private moments with his life’s partner.
As of an hour ago the funeral home can’t tell the family anything related to what the service for her might hold.
I write this in case others here may possibly have a similar situation and as to what you might expect should the worst come to pass.
My gosh, what a sad day 😕. I hope he had family around.
There’s been some pretty hot exchanges between some here who think that this whole Co virus thing is a hoax and those who think it is real and deadly.
I’m in the second group.
So, who here will step up - now - and call it all a bunch of Bullscchhitt ?
We have raised our response level from "she's right mate" to "she'll be right mate"...though I did hear a "what...you are [bleep] me" just yesterday.
Victoria is closing non essential business and schools on Tuesday and looking at closing all interstate travel, my daughter will be back home tomorrow for the duration.
We will be right though as we can always wander out and get a couple of killers from a local farmer.
Has anyone noticed that this would be an excellent time for an aggressive nation to expand their territory?
Just now I’ve noticed that our favorite Australian is back 🙂
I wonder why People with AIDS weren't quarantined and sequestered when it was discovered to be incurable, fatal, and at that time was confined in a very careless and identified population. While I'm sure sneezing doesn't readily spread aids it was known to be contagious and readily transmissible. In 2018 there were about 38,000,000 infected people worldwide who are recruiting way over a million new cases a year. And this is a disease that kills without very expensive lifelong treatment. Treatment which only arrests symptoms and leaves the patient feeling good enough to get out without restriction and spread the joy. This corona thing I guess doesn't bring stigma on a protected group and is being used as a basis to destroy a world economy even though over 90 % will survive just fine and by the time it's over the human race will be immune and probably richer if we wouldn't up our national mortgage to mollify a bunch of scaredy cat people.
The reason the guys were not quarantined for aids is that it took quite a long time to figure out the first symptom, "that constant pounding in their a s s"
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Does that make the fatalities irrelevant? Those lives lost too soon are of no consequence? It is wrong to strive to slow that same loss of life in America?
Death is inevitable.....our understanding of death isn’t. However if we understand the virus and are able to identify those that are most susceptible to it we are better able to target the most vulnerable groups. By targeting the most vulnerable and providing them with the tools needed to combat it (by not contracting it) we prove that those lives are anything but “irrelevant” and that they are of great consequence to us. The efforts that have gone into saving lives and preventing its spread have shown how much we value every life, from the unborn to the elderly at the end of their life, every life is a gift from God.
Highlighting the truth behind the statistics does NOT diminish those deaths but it does show the truth about those deaths that were merely a statistic until broken down. The facts as outlined above are significant indicators that this virus isn’t the fatal blow to society as we know it. It doesn’t appear to severely affect healthy adults and it appears to have even LESS impact on the young. That’s a GOOD THING! Since most every fatality had significant underlying medical issues and the average age of the victims were several years past the average life expectancy it shows that this virus doesn’t seem to stand up to a healthy immune system. It’s quite literally the type of disease that thins the herd by preying on the weak. These are the most fragile of fragile patients and the truth is that if there wasn’t a worldwide panic currently underway their death would be expected and “normal”. That is in no way meant to diminish the loss of the loved ones nor is it intended as an insult, it’s simply the truth about nature doing what nature does.
Damn good post. Old Toot says we can’t talk about immune systems though . That doesn’t jive with CNN 🤣
I believe that it’s you trying to distance yourself from the “immune “ issues and your refusal to acknowledge your rather stupid statements here on this thread and I’m being kind to you.
There’s been much good info as it relates to how this virus vs immune works or doesn’t work.
Got a call early this morning from a dear friend. His wife passed away earlier this morning, she had been in failing health.
Upon getting her to the Emergency Room he was made to leave and told to wait outside the hospital and they took his cell phone number. He went to the parking garage and waited for hours and got the text that she had passed. He called me from the parking garage.
He was not allowed to enter the hospital to see her and spend final private moments with his life’s partner.
As of an hour ago the funeral home can’t tell the family anything related to what the service for her might hold.
I write this in case others here may possibly have a similar situation and as to what you might expect should the worst come to pass.
My gosh, what a sad day 😕. I hope he had family around.
Birdie the funeral parlors are apparently holding all of the deceased on cold storage for the time being. What this family and others are electing to do is cremation. In this process the immediate family is given time to view and spend direct time with their deceased loved one before cremation occurs.
Once cremation is complete, the ashes are placed in a urn and given to the family. From there it seems that Priest, Ministers, etc. are performing graveside services for immediate family or the families elect to simply hold the ashes for a later Memorial Service after this threat has been considered to have passed and crowds can reconvene.
My friends have elected to do the hold and then Memorial Service route.
There’s been some pretty hot exchanges between some here who think that this whole Co virus thing is a hoax and those who think it is real and deadly.
I’m in the second group.
So, who here will step up - now - and call it all a bunch of Bullscchhitt ?
We have raised our response level from "she's right mate" to "she'll be right mate"...though I did hear a "what...you are [bleep] me" just yesterday.
Victoria is closing non essential business and schools on Tuesday and looking at closing all interstate travel, my daughter will be back home tomorrow for the duration.
We will be right though as we can always wander out and get a couple of killers from a local farmer.
Has anyone noticed that this would be an excellent time for an aggressive nation to expand their territory?
Good to see you back, Man
Your last paragraph,,,,,,h’mmmm. Food for thought.
There’s been some pretty hot exchanges between some here who think that this whole Co virus thing is a hoax and those who think it is real and deadly.
I’m in the second group.
So, who here will step up - now - and call it all a bunch of Bullscchhitt ?
We have raised our response level from "she's right mate" to "she'll be right mate"...though I did hear a "what...you are [bleep] me" just yesterday.
Victoria is closing non essential business and schools on Tuesday and looking at closing all interstate travel, my daughter will be back home tomorrow for the duration.
We will be right though as we can always wander out and get a couple of killers from a local farmer.
Has anyone noticed that this would be an excellent time for an aggressive nation to expand their territory?
OAN just reported a few minutes ago that Oz has 7 deaths now. Being a nation with a favourable outdoor climate and declining smoking habits, I am starting to wonder if a nations general health may be a bigger factor than currently portrayed? I also saw reported that Italy's deaths (by comparison) are mostly elderly men with smoking and respiratory issues being the most susceptible.
1. This is madness. Where we used to have half the folks in this country act as men, most are now just hysterical women.
2. Trump and many of the worthless world leaders have decided on a multi-trillion dollar "solution" (world wide depression) to a multi-billion dollar problem.
3. The actions taken and mandated will cause many more deaths than the Kung Flu ever will. Most people (like many in this thread) can think neither in terms of trade-offs nor in terms of 2nd & 3rd order effects.
1. This is madness. Where we used to have half the folks in this country act as men, most are now just hysterical women.
2. Trump and many of the worthless world leaders have decided on a multi-trillion dollar "solution" (world wide depression) to a multi-billion dollar problem.
3. The actions taken and mandated will cause many more deaths than the Kung Flu ever will. Most people (like many in this thread) can think neither in terms of trade-offs nor in terms of 2nd & 3rd order effects.
Are you sayin that they’re ALL cases of bad choices in life ?
Typical Jewish debate tactic. You ask a question, they pretend they didn't understand it, and that you'd asked something entirely different.
Arguing with them is always a waste of time Tyrone, a Jew cannot be parted from his opinions. You must part them from your company.
Consider us parted, Sticks.
Strange. I didn’t know that I’m Jewish.
By the way, turd, did you have a question or just little snippets of your stupid assed, assumative, lack of smarts. Had you the simple capacity to read and retain you’d have seen that I answered Brother Tyrone’s question in full.
Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Does that make the fatalities irrelevant? Those lives lost too soon are of no consequence? It is wrong to strive to slow that same loss of life in America?
Death is inevitable.....our understanding of death isn’t. However if we understand the virus and are able to identify those that are most susceptible to it we are better able to target the most vulnerable groups. By targeting the most vulnerable and providing them with the tools needed to combat it (by not contracting it) we prove that those lives are anything but “irrelevant” and that they are of great consequence to us. The efforts that have gone into saving lives and preventing its spread have shown how much we value every life, from the unborn to the elderly at the end of their life, every life is a gift from God.
Highlighting the truth behind the statistics does NOT diminish those deaths but it does show the truth about those deaths that were merely a statistic until broken down. The facts as outlined above are significant indicators that this virus isn’t the fatal blow to society as we know it. It doesn’t appear to severely affect healthy adults and it appears to have even LESS impact on the young. That’s a GOOD THING! Since most every fatality had significant underlying medical issues and the average age of the victims were several years past the average life expectancy it shows that this virus doesn’t seem to stand up to a healthy immune system. It’s quite literally the type of disease that thins the herd by preying on the weak. These are the most fragile of fragile patients and the truth is that if there wasn’t a worldwide panic currently underway their death would be expected and “normal”. That is in no way meant to diminish the loss of the loved ones nor is it intended as an insult, it’s simply the truth about nature doing what nature does.
Damn good post. Old Toot says we can’t talk about immune systems though . That doesn’t jive with CNN 🤣
I believe that it’s you trying to distance yourself from the “immune “ issues and your refusal to acknowledge your rather stupid statements here on this thread and I’m being kind to you.
There’s been much good info as it relates to how this virus vs immune works or doesn’t work.
[quote=Kyhilljack][quote=colorado bob]Death count in Italy today was 627. I think yesterday was 375 & that was the highest to date. Give it a couple of weeks------we'll make those numbers look mall.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions,0.8% of the total deaths, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Does that make the fatalities irrelevant? Those lives lost too soon are of no consequence? It is wrong to strive to slow that same loss of life in America?
Death is inevitable.....our understanding of death isn’t. However if we understand the virus and are able to identify those that are most susceptible to it we are better able to target the most vulnerable groups. By targeting the most vulnerable and providing them with the tools needed to combat it (by not contracting it) we prove that those lives are anything but “irrelevant” and that they are of great consequence to us. The efforts that have gone into saving lives and preventing its spread have shown how much we value every life, from the unborn to the elderly at the end of their life, every life is a gift from God.
Highlighting the truth behind the statistics does NOT diminish those deaths but it does show the truth about those deaths that were merely a statistic until broken down. The facts as outlined above are significant indicators that this virus isn’t the fatal blow to society as we know it. It doesn’t appear to severely affect healthy adults and it appears to have even LESS impact on the young. That’s a GOOD THING! Since most every fatality had significant underlying medical issues and the average age of the victims were several years past the average life expectancy it shows that this virus doesn’t seem to stand up to a healthy immune system. It’s quite literally the type of disease that thins the herd by preying on the weak. These are the most fragile of fragile patients and the truth is that if there wasn’t a worldwide panic currently underway their death would be expected and “normal”. That is in no way meant to diminish the loss of the loved ones nor is it intended as an insult, it’s simply the truth about nature doing what nature does
I believe that it’s you trying to distance yourself from the “immune “ issues and your refusal to acknowledge your rather stupid statements here on this thread and I’m being kind to you.
There’s been much good info as it relates to how this virus vs immune works or doesn’t work.
Bufoon
Says the clown and noted Immunologist.
Tell us more, Doctor.
You're a waste of time
In hindsight I can see where liking you would be a waste of time.
1. This is madness. Where we used to have half the folks in this country act as men, most are now just hysterical women.
2. Trump and many of the worthless world leaders have decided on a multi-trillion dollar "solution" (world wide depression) to a multi-billion dollar problem.
3. The actions taken and mandated will cause many more deaths than the Kung Flu ever will. Most people (like many in this thread) can think neither in terms of trade-offs nor in terms of 2nd & 3rd order effects.
Might have something to do with valid concerns for an aging population and folks who have pre-existing conditions.
But,,,,listening to some of you guys, the fuggers were gonna die anyhow so what’s the fuss about.
Right ?
Thanks for providing an example of hysteria and lack of understanding of trade-offs and 2nd and 3rd order effects. Never was a boomer hater, but you may make me a believer.
You can believe what the fugg you want to believe. It ain’t no skin off of anyone’s ass but yours.
It would appear that the hysteria comes from your end of the stick. Hysterical people accuse others of being so because they don’t accept the bs they’d put forth.
Then living with yourself must be an immensely tough gig.
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
But,,,,listening to some of you guys, the fuggers were gonna die anyhow so what’s the fuss about.
Hospitals in Italy are prioritizing C19 patient care by taking ventilators away from those over 60. preferring to use resources to save younger lives.
Your last paragraph, I hadn’t read that but it’s not too surprising. Choices will have to be made . A bad situation getting worse. Hoping that it’s minimal here if it has to be effected.
Makes you wanna say, Damn . But that never helped anything.
Why not just have those that are older and at risk shelter in place? Personally I see nothing wrong with that plan and I'm 62 and have emphysema. The country needs to function as close to normal as possible and there's nothing normal about what is happening. The US of A was already deeply in debt this China virus will or has bankrupt the US.
Americans gonna be Americans, the only folks in agreement with mass shelter in place are over the fatal age of this virus.
Nobody feels responsible for overweight, out of shape boomers. We have all been raised to look out for number one, legacy is a b*tch.
Could be that the older, over the fatal age gang has considerably more experience and smarts than the younger punks who think that they know it all.
It ain’t just boomers that are obese and out of shape. Go to Walmart for a reference point. There’s your legacy for you.
Keep telling yourself that. Or, maybe, don't expect the entire population to compensate for you?
The hysterical ones have raised the indifferent ones.
Your indifference vs experience and intelligence is a losing game. Might take you a while to learn that after you get past the know it all stages of your life.
I’ve asked no one to compensate for me. You assume much yet comprehend so little. But, you’ll learn if you live long enough.
Americans gonna be Americans, the only folks in agreement with mass shelter in place are over the fatal age of this virus.
Nobody feels responsible for overweight, out of shape boomers. We have all been raised to look out for number one, legacy is a b*tch.
Could be that the older, over the fatal age gang has considerably more experience and smarts than the younger punks who think that they know it all.
It ain’t just boomers that are obese and out of shape. Go to Walmart for a reference point. There’s your legacy for you.
Keep telling yourself that. Or, maybe, don't expect the entire population to compensate for you?
The hysterical ones have raised the indifferent ones.
Your indifference vs experience and intelligence is a losing game. Might take you a while to learn that after you get past the know it all stages of your life.
I’ve asked no one to compensate for me. You assume much yet comprehend so little. But, you’ll learn if you live long enough.
You assume that it is only myself that is indifferent, just look to the beaches in Cali, the parks in NYC, or any spring break destination soon to be crowded with Americans enjoying life instead of cowering in fear.
Also, as an aside, the current losing game appears to be obesity and age. Are you intelligent enough to be healthy?
Americans gonna be Americans, the only folks in agreement with mass shelter in place are over the fatal age of this virus.
Nobody feels responsible for overweight, out of shape boomers. We have all been raised to look out for number one, legacy is a b*tch.
Could be that the older, over the fatal age gang has considerably more experience and smarts than the younger punks who think that they know it all.
It ain’t just boomers that are obese and out of shape. Go to Walmart for a reference point. There’s your legacy for you.
Keep telling yourself that. Or, maybe, don't expect the entire population to compensate for you?
The hysterical ones have raised the indifferent ones.
Your indifference vs experience and intelligence is a losing game. Might take you a while to learn that after you get past the know it all stages of your life.
I’ve asked no one to compensate for me. You assume much yet comprehend so little. But, you’ll learn if you live long enough.
You assume that it is only myself that is indifferent, just look to the beaches in Cali, the parks in NYC, or any spring break destination soon to be crowded with Americans enjoying life instead of cowering in fear.
Also, as an aside, the current losing game appears to be obesity and age. Are you intelligent enough to be healthy?
Yep, the young who’ve never been touched by hurt, lick on airplane toilet seats, sneeze and spit on supermarket produce,,,yeah, I see what you mean.
I’m quite healthy and blessed to be so and I appreciate you asking. Smart enough to get by, too.
We never know what’s around the next corner or over the next hill even if we’ve traveled that same road many times.
Lt. Governor Dan Patrick of Texas was just on Tucker Carlson, and made some very interesting, and my opinion, accurate assessments about this situation. I believe that he is “very” realistically stating what should be obvious to all. He is very worried about the future of his grandchildren, as we all should be, if we allow the American economy to be completely destroyed by how we are handling this. He agrees that what we are doing presently is proper.....but, can’t continue very long. This is my opinion, not what Dan Patrick said! It “will” if it hasn’t already, put the economic future of America in peril. Leaving our children and great grandchildren living in an impoverished, 3rd world nation economy.... is not what I want this generations legacy to be! I’m not that selfish! memtb
Why not just have those that are older and at risk shelter in place? Personally I see nothing wrong with that plan and I'm 62 and have emphysema. The country needs to function as close to normal as possible and there's nothing normal about what is happening. The US of A was already deeply in debt this China virus will or has bankrupt the US.
Because some of us have been declared essential industry and are not allowed to be absent until we actually get the crap and have a fever.
42 weeks of accrued vacation, and I am stuck at work. definition of irony?
Lt. Governor Dan Patrick of Texas was just on Tucker Carlson, and made some very interesting, and my opinion, accurate assessments about this situation. I believe that he is “very” realistically stating what should be obvious to all. He is very worried about the future of his grandchildren, as we all should be, if we allow the American economy to be completely destroyed by how we are handling this. He agrees that what we are doing presently is proper.....but, can’t continue very long. This is my opinion, not what Dan Patrick said! It “will” if it hasn’t already, put the economic future of America in peril. Leaving our children and great grandchildren living in an impoverished, 3rd world nation economy.... is not what I want this generations legacy to be! I’m not that selfish! memtb
He agrees that what we are presently doing is proper.
Why not just have those that are older and at risk shelter in place? Personally I see nothing wrong with that plan and I'm 62 and have emphysema. The country needs to function as close to normal as possible and there's nothing normal about what is happening. The US of A was already deeply in debt this China virus will or has bankrupt the US.
The hoax is how it is way blown out of proportion to actual fatality of the disease.No one knows what that is because almost every death is attributed to Covid.Know one knows what preventative measures really work as that is blown out of proportion also.Then there is Sweden that handled the disease by doing nothing.If this was a non election year would it amounted to anything?I doubt it.It is a Politically motivated Pandemic.JMHO,Huntz
The hoax is how it is way blown out of proportion to actual fatality of the disease.No one knows what that is because almost every death is attributed to Covid.Know one knows what preventative measures really work as that is blown out of proportion also.Then there is Sweden that handled the disease by doing nothing.If this was a non election year would it amounted to anything?I doubt it.It is a Politically motivated Pandemic.JMHO,Huntz
I am a service tech, and work in mask and gloves these days. I just had to be tested myself, results in a few days. Concidering that I have already lost one relative to this damn virus, I have no doubt it's real. He left behind a wife and child.
Too bad Flave ain’t around to give his perspective, lol. Boy things would have been interesting around here. He couldn’t have got banned at a worse time.
Or at a good time, depending upon one's point of view.
Were I here I could have told you what a ginormous pussy you are.
Typical. The zeitgeist created by the media with "covid-19" is just the same as all the other BS propaganda campaigns like "America is systemically racist" and "man-made climate change is catastrophic" and a dozen others currently running right now. They are all matters of faith, i.e. the evidence never lines up with the claims, so you have to BELIEVE. Then the believers vs non-believers argue in perpetuity. While this happens, policies are pushed, money changes hands, people still live and die, and freedom and wealth are slowly usurped a little bit more by the leaders of the burgeoning collective.
If everybody knew what the people working in hospitals knew, they wouldn't think it's a hoax.
The truth of the matter is, news of the situation isn't being exaggerated,...it's being minimized.
Yep my wife is a Nurse Manager in a very busy local hospital, part of her duties is overseeing the ICU nursing staff. My Cousin is a Critical Care Doc at a large hospital. I am a deputy fire chief and also occasionally pull an EMS shift with the regional EMS company so I know MANY hospital employees and a vast majority including the ones mentioned above are very anti-mask, anti shutdown! They acknowledge that this is a serious virus(as are many such as flu, pneumonia etc) to those with the associated comorbidities, BUT that the vast majority of those infected will either be asymptomatic or recover after minor illness. Virus is real but way overblown!!
Spent Monday in the ER with my wife. I went through security after they told me what room she was in and the cop said he had to take my temp. He couldn't find his temp gun so he told me to go on in.
Doc came in to speak with her and he had his mask under his chin, halfway through he apologized and put his mask on properly.
I'm not saying it isn't a serious issue but I just can't wait til the election is over
Typical. The zeitgeist created by the media with "covid-19" is just the same as all the other BS propaganda campaigns like "America is systemically racist" and "man-made climate change is catastrophic" and a dozen others currently running right now. They are all matters of faith, i.e. the evidence never lines up with the claims, so you have to BELIEVE. Then the believers vs non-believers argue in perpetuity. While this happens, policies are pushed, money changes hands, people still live and die, and freedom and wealth are slowly usurped a little bit more by the leaders of the burgeoning collective.
Covid is the new religion.
Please allow me to kick every sumbich in the nuts that calls it covid-19. Trump has it right. It's the Chinese virus.
Typical. The zeitgeist created by the media with "covid-19" is just the same as all the other BS propaganda campaigns like "America is systemically racist" and "man-made climate change is catastrophic" and a dozen others currently running right now. They are all matters of faith, i.e. the evidence never lines up with the claims, so you have to BELIEVE. Then the believers vs non-believers argue in perpetuity. While this happens, policies are pushed, money changes hands, people still live and die, and freedom and wealth are slowly usurped a little bit more by the leaders of the burgeoning collective.
Covid is the new religion.
Please allow me to kick every sumbich in the nuts that calls it covid-19. Trump has it right. It's the Chinese virus.
Something they cooked up in a lab without a doubt. You don't disappear Drs there and refuse to hand over the DNA if that were not the case. My 30ish Dr says it is slightly more infectious then the Flue and a little more deadly in certain individuals that are high risk. I think it is way overblown, the H1N1 under Obongo was probably deadlier. That said , I see peoples anger directed at Trump and not at the CHINESE POS government who put this on us.
It's real and can be very deadly if you are over 65 and have comorbidities. Under 65, you are more likely to die of poisoning than from coronavirus (per CDC statistics).
It's real and can be very deadly if you are over 65 and have comorbidities. Under 65, you are more likely to die of poisoning than from coronavirus (per CDC statistics).
I think that the real concerns are the difference in nature of this virus and the seemingly exponential growth of the infection rate. Throw in the number of lockdowns we’re seeing and the news from places like Italy. From that, I don’t think it is overblown when were dealing with what appears to be such an unknown.
Comparing this to past epidemics seems rather moot at this point, to me, anyhow. We have no idea of how far and deep this thing can run but we’re sure gonna find out.. if lockdowns had not been imposed one might wonder just how bad it would have been here in a first world nation.
The “speculation “ is that this will be deeply devastating to sub Saharan Africa and big cities like Cairo.
Typical. The zeitgeist created by the media with "covid-19" is just the same as all the other BS propaganda campaigns like "America is systemically racist" and "man-made climate change is catastrophic" and a dozen others currently running right now. They are all matters of faith, i.e. the evidence never lines up with the claims, so you have to BELIEVE. Then the believers vs non-believers argue in perpetuity. While this happens, policies are pushed, money changes hands, people still live and die, and freedom and wealth are slowly usurped a little bit more by the leaders of the burgeoning collective.
Covid is the new religion.
Please allow me to kick every sumbich in the nuts that calls it covid-19. Trump has it right. It's the Chinese virus.
Something they cooked up in a lab without a doubt. You don't disappear Drs there and refuse to hand over the DNA if that were not the case. My 30ish Dr says it is slightly more infectious then the Flue and a little more deadly in certain individuals that are high risk. I think it is way overblown, the H1N1 under Obongo was probably deadlier. That said , I see peoples anger directed at Trump and not at the CHINESE POS government who put this on us.
Thank you.
I've got people telling me how much "calmer" it was under Z-Ro. No schit, Sherlock. They're employing anarchy to try to overthrow a duly elected President. And YOUR ex-President is part of that.
For some here, maybe most it won't sink in until it effects their own. Maybe some will even consider it OK with their elderly, but when it effects their spouse or one of their kids, they'll get it then...
Thank you.I've got people telling me how much "calmer" it was under Z-Ro. No schit, Sherlock. They're employing anarchy to try to overthrow a duly elected President. And YOUR ex-President is part of that.
You and I know this. How do we convince the willfully ignorant? The very idea that Obama's VP the mentally impaired Biden can be a serious contender is quite an indictment of half + of the country if the polls are anywhere near accurate. The worst thing about a Democrat being elected is that Obama ends up on the supreme court. Book it.
Thank you.I've got people telling me how much "calmer" it was under Z-Ro. No schit, Sherlock. They're employing anarchy to try to overthrow a duly elected President. And YOUR ex-President is part of that.
You and I know this. How do we convince the willfully ignorant? The very idea that Obama's VP the mentally impaired Biden can be a serious contender is quite an indictment of half + of the country if the polls are anywhere near accurate. The worst thing about a Democrat being elected is that Obama ends up on the supreme court. Book it.
I, for one, don't. I think the Silent Majority is a lot bigger group of voters than any of the "polls" give it credit, including the newest commie network, Faux.
As a matter of fact, if I hear any of those commies on Faux further canonize Lewis, I'm gonna put on my blackface and start doing my Louie Armstrong schtick in Walmart.
Thank you.I've got people telling me how much "calmer" it was under Z-Ro. No schit, Sherlock. They're employing anarchy to try to overthrow a duly elected President. And YOUR ex-President is part of that.
You and I know this. How do we convince the willfully ignorant? The very idea that Obama's VP the mentally impaired Biden can be a serious contender is quite an indictment of half + of the country if the polls are anywhere near accurate. The worst thing about a Democrat being elected is that Obama ends up on the supreme court. Book it.
Why is it that if you don’t wring your hands and weep and cry out for complete and total isolation, your a virus denier all of a sudden?
Facts:
Covid 19 is a new virus introduced into the human population to which there was no previous exposure. Maybe previous exposure to one of the other more benign strains of corona viruses might give some people better protection, but that is conjecture. New virulent viruses can be rough on the population. Just ask the Incas after Pissarro showed up.
Next, it was CHINA that bungled the virus response first, followed by Italy.
China could have isolated this in Wuhan and they botched that. Once it was out of Wuhan, the world was phouced.
Italy’s healthcare system was overwhelmed so severely that panic started in the Western world. Had Italy not sheet the bed on this, the rest of the world would have had a more measured, rational response.
So don’t get pissed at Trump. He didn’t make the virus, screw the bat, or let it out of China. He’s advocated for effective treatment and is smart enough to understand that short of a vaccine that shows up within months, this will run through the world no matter what measures are taken. The only thing that is happening now is a steady march toward universal exposure and herd immunity. It’s just a matter of how slow or fast that occurs.
Why is it that if you don’t wring your hands and weep and cry out for complete and total isolation, your a virus denier all of a sudden?
Facts:
Covid 19 is a new virus introduced into the human population to which there was no previous exposure. Maybe previous exposure to one of the other more benign strains of corona viruses might give some people better protection, but that is conjecture. New virulent viruses can be rough on the population. Just ask the Incas after Pissarro showed up.
Next, it was CHINA that bungled the virus response first, followed by Italy.
China could have isolated this in Wuhan and they botched that. Once it was out of Wuhan, the world was phouced.
Italy’s healthcare system was overwhelmed so severely that panic started in the Western world. Had Italy not sheet the bed on this, the rest of the world would have had a more measured, rational response.
So don’t get pissed at Trump. He didn’t make the virus, screw the bat, or let it out of China. He’s advocated for effective treatment and is smart enough to understand that short of a vaccine that shows up within months, this will run through the world no matter what measures are taken. The only thing that is happening now is a steady march toward universal exposure and herd immunity. It’s just a matter of how slow or fast that occurs.
hatari, you're nailing it. It's funny to watch, all this number tallying. How many new cases yesterday, as opposed to the day before that.. and the day before that.. and the day before that. Bulshit! Has anybody heard anybody talk about the number of flu infections or morbidity due to THE FLU? I haven't.
The Chinese virus is running its course through the population. PERIOD. Like it or not, herd immunity will eventually stick its head up and win out (if it hasn't already), no matter what the fear mongering dumbasses on lamestream media throw out there day after day, night after night. Vaccine or no Vaccine.
Thank you.I've got people telling me how much "calmer" it was under Z-Ro. No schit, Sherlock. They're employing anarchy to try to overthrow a duly elected President. And YOUR ex-President is part of that.
You and I know this. How do we convince the willfully ignorant? The very idea that Obama's VP the mentally impaired Biden can be a serious contender is quite an indictment of half + of the country if the polls are anywhere near accurate. The worst thing about a Democrat being elected is that Obama ends up on the supreme court. Book it.
To bad 150K+ have died for no reason. Fauci knew the cure in 2005, it was public in the NIH journal. HCQ! Look at the extremely low dead rate in the countries which used it.
Damn good post. Old Toot says we can’t talk about immune systems though . That doesn’t jive with CNN 🤣
I believe that it’s you trying to distance yourself from the “immune “ issues and your refusal to acknowledge your rather stupid statements here on this thread and I’m being kind to you.
There’s been much good info as it relates to how this virus vs immune works or doesn’t work.
To bad 150K+ have died for no reason. Fauci knew the cure in 2005, it was public in the NIH journal. HCQ! Look at the extremely low dead rate in the countries which used it.
I agree with the sentiment, but not the numbers. The numbers of "COVID 19 deaths" are HIGHLY inflated.
They don't want a cure, they are still fighting it tooth and nail. The powers that be do not want this to go away.
Why is it that if you don’t wring your hands and weep and cry out for complete and total isolation, your a virus denier all of a sudden?
Facts:
Covid 19 is a new virus introduced into the human population to which there was no previous exposure. Maybe previous exposure to one of the other more benign strains of corona viruses might give some people better protection, but that is conjecture. New virulent viruses can be rough on the population. Just ask the Incas after Pissarro showed up.
Next, it was CHINA that bungled the virus response first, followed by Italy.
China could have isolated this in Wuhan and they botched that. Once it was out of Wuhan, the world was phouced.
Italy’s healthcare system was overwhelmed so severely that panic started in the Western world. Had Italy not sheet the bed on this, the rest of the world would have had a more measured, rational response.
So don’t get pissed at Trump. He didn’t make the virus, screw the bat, or let it out of China. He’s advocated for effective treatment and is smart enough to understand that short of a vaccine that shows up within months, this will run through the world no matter what measures are taken. The only thing that is happening now is a steady march toward universal exposure and herd immunity. It’s just a matter of how slow or fast that occurs.
The US is testing hundreds of thousand of people a day. At a rate much higher than just a few months ago. And the covtards go crazy about the number of positive cases ??!!
The only thing exponential are the number of tests being administered.
Damn good post. Old Toot says we can’t talk about immune systems though . That doesn’t jive with CNN 🤣
I believe that it’s you trying to distance yourself from the “immune “ issues and your refusal to acknowledge your rather stupid statements here on this thread and I’m being kind to you.
There’s been much good info as it relates to how this virus vs immune works or doesn’t work.
I agree. People I thought were acquaintances are not. People I thought were folks I looked up to aren't. Folks I underestimated are now getting reevaluated....
Insecurities are at the foremost based on what I have observed.
I said F it, and am running my charter business full speed. Haven’t missed a day and am on track to have my best year. Even got into it with the mayor when he paid a visit to my boat saying what I was doing was essentially wrong.
Amazing how folks tossed in the towel and lined up at the trough taking every dime of bailout money they could get their hands on. Definitely made me look at people differently.
Still don't know anyone who has died from the China flu. I know someone who tested positive for the China flu and got sick with flu like symptoms, and 5 or 6 other people that tested positive that never got sick. It's all BS folks, and the believer's are shiet eaters.
Still don't know anyone who has died from the China flu. I know someone who tested positive for the China flu and got sick with flu like symptoms, and 5 or 6 other people that tested positive that never got sick. It's all BS folks, and the believer's are shiet eaters.
I still don't know anybody that can confirm they had it.
I think it is sad those who have succumbed to this virus but the BS panic news surrounding it is more bothersome. A family I am working for right now(foundation repairs) just lost their grandfather recently to Covid. His body was quarantined for fourteen days before they could cremate him. WTF!
I think it is sad those who have succumbed to this virus but the BS panic news surrounding it is more bothersome. A family I am working for right now(foundation repairs) just lost their grandfather recently to Covid. His body was quarantined for fourteen days before they could cremate him. WTF!
CDC web page says presently this is the least number of hospitalizations for pneumonia, influenza like illness and china flu. Even with the inflated numbers, the hospitalizations for this broad range of illness is less than last fall. So right now we are better off than last fall flu season. I guess they ran out of hypochondriacs. Of course this will bump up when fall allergies kick in. More china flu bounties to be collected under seasonal allergies. My wife's hospital has been testing for months, and they only had 2 positives, and they did not know they were sick. They did collect a load of money with multiple drive through testing centers, and require testing before a procedure. Of course none of the staff is tested. Patients are screened, medical staff is not screened.
You have a right to be a denier. But the facts say differently.
You also have the right to buy into the politicization of a natural phenomenon. You have the right the right to believe inflated numbers. You have the right to ignore the fact that while the number of cases is naturally increasing, the death rate is not. You have the right to ignore the fact that medicine and healthcare has a better handle on treatment now than they did in March.
You have the right to be unsure about goals to mitigate this pandemic. You have the right to pray and hope for an effective vaccine tomorrow and likewise have the right not to understand the problems involved in getting 8 BILLION people vaccinated. You have the right to be selfish and just want to get in line and get the vaccine yourself and to hell with anyone else..
You have the right to focus solely on the vaccine effort rather than an effective treatment that will mitigate symptoms and morbidity that could be delivered to just those serious ill and save lives immediately and change social behavior all around the plant and return us to normalcy. You have the right not to understand that such a treatment only needs a few million doses to positively affect the human condition instead of BILLIONS.
You have the right (unfortunately) to use this natural disaster as a political weapon against your political enemies. You exercise that freely.
You and Flave are each exercising your rights. However, if the Leftists had their way, only one of these opinions would ever be heard.
You have a right to be a denier. But the facts say differently.
You also have the right to buy into the politicization of a natural phenomenon. You have the right the right to believe inflated numbers. You have the right to ignore the fact that while the number of cases is naturally increasing, the death rate is not. You have the right to ignore the fact that medicine and healthcare has a better handle on treatment now than they did in March.
You have the right to be unsure about goals to mitigate this pandemic. You have the tight to pray and hope for an effective vaccine tomorrow and likewise have the right not to understand the problems involved in getting 8 BILLION people vaccinated. You have the right to be selfish and just want to get in line and get the vaccine yourself and to hell with anyone else..
You have the right to focus solely on the vaccine effort rather than an effective treatment that will mitigate symptoms and morbidity that could be delivered to just those serious ill and save lives immediately and change social behavior all around the plant and return us to normalcy. You have the right not to understand that such a treatment only needs a few million doses to positively affect the human condition instead of BILLIONS.
You have the right (unfortunately) to use this natural disaster as a political weapon against your political enemies. You exercise that freely.
You and Flave are each exercising your rights. However, if the Leftists had their way, only one of these opinions would ever be heard.
Good post, we're in the fight of our lives trying to keep our freedom and rights.
You have a right to be a denier. But the facts say differently.
You also have the right to buy into the politicization of a natural phenomenon. You have the right the right to believe inflated numbers. You have the right to ignore the fact that while the number of cases is naturally increasing, the death rate is not. You have the right to ignore the fact that medicine and healthcare has a better handle on treatment now than they did in March.
You have the right to be unsure about goals to mitigate this pandemic. You have the right to pray and hope for an effective vaccine tomorrow and likewise have the right not to understand the problems involved in getting 8 BILLION people vaccinated. You have the right to be selfish and just want to get in line and get the vaccine yourself and to hell with anyone else..
You have the right to focus solely on the vaccine effort rather than an effective treatment that will mitigate symptoms and morbidity that could be delivered to just those serious ill and save lives immediately and change social behavior all around the plant and return us to normalcy. You have the right not to understand that such a treatment only needs a few million doses to positively affect the human condition instead of BILLIONS.
You have the right (unfortunately) to use this natural disaster as a political weapon against your political enemies. You exercise that freely.
You and Flave are each exercising your rights. However, if the Leftists had their way, only one of these opinions would ever be heard.
1. This is madness. Where we used to have half the folks in this country act as men, most are now just hysterical women.
2. Trump and many of the worthless world leaders have decided on a multi-trillion dollar "solution" (world wide depression) to a multi-billion dollar problem.
3. The actions taken and mandated will cause many more deaths than the Kung Flu ever will. Most people (like many in this thread) can think neither in terms of trade-offs nor in terms of 2nd & 3rd order effects.
One more thing I have 3 RN,s in the family, all working. All say it is real. There hospitals are not overwhelmed yet
But many in the state are. Some patients being shipped hundreds of mile to an open bed.
And school teachers think the government running education is great. And military members think following orders is honorable. And pharmaceutical companies think that people should take lots of pills. And climate scientists think that the coastal cities are all under water now due to catastrophic global warming.
I've got several relatives that are nurses, and have interacted professionally and privately with dozens of doctors, forming long-lasting relationships with several. They are not any more immune to the propaganda than the rest. They do what they are told, and if they don't, they lose their jobs or their license to practice. They call no shots, and make no decisions. It's all a matter of "approved procedure."
My wife is in the medical field, and she, along with all her little doctor buddies, think the hysteria, fear mongering and over-reaction of the liberal news along with leftist politicians & medical pundits is the biggest "hoax" perpetrated on us since Greta Thunberg.
Overflowing hospitals? My neighbor is an anesthesiologist and for the first time in his 20 year career, he has no work.
Some area hospitals have even discussed laying off nurses.
My wife is in the medical field, and she, along with all her little doctor buddies, think the hysteria, fear mongering and over-reaction of the liberal news along with leftist politicians & medical pundits is the biggest "hoax" perpetrated on us since Greta Thunberg.
Overflowing hospitals? My neighbor is an anesthesiologist and for the first time in his 20 year career, he has no work.
Some area hospitals have even discussed laying off nurses.
Hospital the wife works at has quietly furloughed about 35 nurses and bunch of non medical staff since the "pandemic" started. In their whole health system they have laid off a greater number and have even closed sone satellite physician offices......overwelmed they are not!!!
Well, well. Now where did all the chest beating foot stompers go to?
No one ?
Aw, c'mon, man....
You mean all the chest beaters who post, "I cant wait 'til ANTIFA comes to my neighborhood so I can stomp some skulls," to, "Those commies better watch it. When does the real shooting start?" Those guys? The ones who wrap themselves in the American flag and carry the Constitution & Bill of Rights in their shirt pockets?
They're snuggled up in their basements under protective COVID tin-foil wrap. Seems like a bunch of 'em who hide bravely behind their keyboards are afraid to go into Kroger's without their face-mask and Purell sanitizer full body rubdowns.
You have a right to be a denier. But the facts say differently.
So here's your chance to present the facts to us as to why we that see this as a political tool are wrong. Let's see these facts you are talking about. No you likely won't do that. People like you only want to insult those that disagree with you and spread lies and fear. So I'm calling you out to come here and prove me wrong.
One more thing I have 3 RN,s in the family, all working. All say it is real.
Real what?
A real disease? Who is "denying" that?
Real bad for a small fraction of the populace? Who's denying that?
What is it that you're arguing about?
Is it your position that COVID 19 will spell the end of the human race without a quick vaccine? Remember, the 3 RN's in your family are seeing and treating only the most ill of millions who have contracted Covid. Same as those who work in prison corrections only see the worst of society. So for them them, the most severe cases are "real"?
So why don't you and I go over to this site that tracks COVID deaths and cases:
Day to day this thing jumps around like an EKG, which tells us that reporting and tabulating are not accurate day to day. However, from this you can see the weekly low and high and get a trend. Georgia had 2 deaths on Aug 3rd and 79 on August 4th then 13 on August 9.
Let's go back to the peak of the shutdown and peak of the "crisis". Georgia had 8 deaths April 25 and 84 April 27th.
You can deduce two things from this graph. 1.) the lock down didn't make much of difference and wearing masks hasn't made much of difference. If you will accept the opinion of the ER docs who agree that most deaths happen within about 3 weeks after exposure, we are reporting about the same numbers as April. 2.) The virus has had 4 MONTHS to spread since then. A much greater number of people have been exposed to this, but a lower percentage of infected people are dying.
Let me explain what is "real".
This virus is out there, and it's not going away any time soon. You can try and keep yourself safe from it, and your success will be at best temporary. Unless you have a Cold War era fallout shelter that you plan to hide in for the next decade, chances are, you're going get exposed. Just like the chicken pox in the old days. You can run, but you can't hide forever. Maybe New Zealand or some other island will let you immigrate and you can sequester there. Otherwise, mask or no mask, lock down or open society, COVID is has your name and is looking for you.
The denying going on here is those of you that deny that you and everybody else are somehow completely safe if you stay home, if you wear a mask, if you stay 6' away from every other human and they do the same. Does it help some? That is debatable on the individual level and folly on the societal level. At the very best, it takes a 24 month event and will make it 48+ month event. At best. Other denial that goes on is that people can hide behind closed doors, masks (bandanas? Ha!) and social distance and be fully protected. This thing is either highly contagious, or it's not. Which is it? If it is, you can run but you can't hide. If it's not, then all these measures are a farce. That's "real".
As for cases and fatalities, we're gonna get them one way r another. This is a disease. It jumped from bats to humans. New disease, no previous human exposure. With that, you better expect it will hit hard. Nothing you or I or Dr. Foucci can do to change that.
One more thing I have 3 RN,s in the family, all working. All say it is real.
Real what?
A real disease? Who is "denying" that?
I AM. I have dug and dug for around 40 hours over the last several months looking for VERIFIED EVIDENCE and ISOLATED DEFINITIVE VIRUS MARKERS in any number of actual patients for a SEPARATE AND NOVEL CORONAVIRUS that is labeled "covid 19". What I have found is that those things don't exist. What I have found is tests that can't possibly test for some particular strain of coronavirus and can't test for any specific viral antibodies that are prone to give both false negatives and false positives at such a rate that testing becomes pointless. What I have found is a narrative twisted back and forth weekly, and statistics made from whole cloth, and fearmongering and panic and endless streams of BS just like this thread, but what I haven't found are conclusive evidences for each of the steps taken in this farce. What I have found most of all is utter ignorance about viruses and the medical industrial complex and about how much politics warps "science" at every level. People are lying, and people are going along with lies. That's what "covid 19" is.
There are likely many thousands of distinct viruses in each of our bodies right now, most of them in various states of inactivity. So the presence of any one virus or any particular group of viruses does not mean anything in regard to "infection". That isn't the standard.
No one seems to know the standard, but they are sure willing to make claims. A simple thought experiment solves this. Remove the endless "covid" fearmongering everywhere. Has anything changed? NO. Statistically, there are no more people dying this year of various respiratory illnesses anywhere than there were last year. It's just that simple.
Why not all this back with the ZeroBama was battlin H1n1?
Funny thing on the H1N1, I don’t remember Fauci doing pressers on that outbreak and stating how bad it was.
It’s just a flu, that hits old folks harder than others. I believe the CDC’s numbers are overstated. I’m just trying to live as normally as I can now, but I’m in CA which is playing politics with the virus I’m not going to live in fear of this overblown epidemic, if it’s really an epidemic at all.
Why not all this back with the ZeroBama was battlin H1n1?
Funny thing on the H1N1, I don’t remember Fauci doing pressers on that outbreak and stating how bad it was.
It’s just a flu, that hits old folks harder than others. I believe the CDC’s numbers are overstated. I’m just trying to live as normally as I can now, but I’m in CA which is playing politics with the virus I’m not going to live in fear of this overblown epidemic, if it’s really an epidemic at all.
The COVID-19 hoax hasn't met the CDC's definition of an epidemic for quite a while even with all the inflated (fake) numbers.
Why is it that if you don’t wring your hands and weep and cry out for complete and total isolation, your a virus denier all of a sudden?
Facts:
Covid 19 is a new virus introduced into the human population to which there was no previous exposure. Maybe previous exposure to one of the other more benign strains of corona viruses might give some people better protection, but that is conjecture. New virulent viruses can be rough on the population. Just ask the Incas after Pissarro showed up.
Next, it was CHINA that bungled the virus response first, followed by Italy.
China could have isolated this in Wuhan and they botched that. Once it was out of Wuhan, the world was phouced.
Italy’s healthcare system was overwhelmed so severely that panic started in the Western world. Had Italy not sheet the bed on this, the rest of the world would have had a more measured, rational response.
So don’t get pissed at Trump. He didn’t make the virus, screw the bat, or let it out of China. He’s advocated for effective treatment and is smart enough to understand that short of a vaccine that shows up within months, this will run through the world no matter what measures are taken. The only thing that is happening now is a steady march toward universal exposure and herd immunity. It’s just a matter of how slow or fast that occurs.
hatari, you're nailing it. It's funny to watch, all this number tallying. How many new cases yesterday, as opposed to the day before that.. and the day before that.. and the day before that. Bulshit! Has anybody heard anybody talk about the number of flu infections or morbidity due to THE FLU? I haven't.
The Chinese virus is running its course through the population. PERIOD. Like it or not, herd immunity will eventually stick its head up and win out (if it hasn't already), no matter what the fear mongering dumbasses on lamestream media throw out there day after day, night after night. Vaccine or no Vaccine.
And they damn sure don't want herd immunity because then their power ends.
The question is if the reaction to it is correct. Is evaporating 1/3 of the nations wealth, soon to be double digit unemployment, thousands of businesses collapsed, years of recovery,.....worth this?
.. so far this flu season, 25K + Americans have died from the flu or complications thereof! In 2017-2018 flu season, American deaths were 80K. Yet, it was barely spoken about....
25K/80,000K is treated like a cool statistic
217 deaths due to C19 a national melodrama.
Over 40% of CV-19 deaths have been in nursing homes. The average life span on admission ot a nursing home is 6 months. Nearly 700,000 die in nursing homes every year.
.. so far this flu season, 25K + Americans have died from the flu or complications thereof! In 2017-2018 flu season, American deaths were 80K. Yet, it was barely spoken about....
25K/80,000K is treated like a cool statistic
217 deaths due to C19 a national melodrama.
Over 40% of CV-19 deaths have been in nursing homes. The average life span on admission ot a nursing home is 6 months. Nearly 700,000 die in nursing homes every year.
Why is it that if you don’t wring your hands and weep and cry out for complete and total isolation, your a virus denier all of a sudden?
Facts:
Covid 19 is a new virus introduced into the human population to which there was no previous exposure. Maybe previous exposure to one of the other more benign strains of corona viruses might give some people better protection, but that is conjecture. New virulent viruses can be rough on the population. Just ask the Incas after Pissarro showed up.
Next, it was CHINA that bungled the virus response first, followed by Italy.
China could have isolated this in Wuhan and they botched that. Once it was out of Wuhan, the world was phouced.
Italy’s healthcare system was overwhelmed so severely that panic started in the Western world. Had Italy not sheet the bed on this, the rest of the world would have had a more measured, rational response.
So don’t get pissed at Trump. He didn’t make the virus, screw the bat, or let it out of China. He’s advocated for effective treatment and is smart enough to understand that short of a vaccine that shows up within months, this will run through the world no matter what measures are taken. The only thing that is happening now is a steady march toward universal exposure and herd immunity. It’s just a matter of how slow or fast that occurs.
hatari, you're nailing it. It's funny to watch, all this number tallying. How many new cases yesterday, as opposed to the day before that.. and the day before that.. and the day before that. Bulshit! Has anybody heard anybody talk about the number of flu infections or morbidity due to THE FLU? I haven't.
The Chinese virus is running its course through the population. PERIOD. Like it or not, herd immunity will eventually stick its head up and win out (if it hasn't already), no matter what the fear mongering dumbasses on lamestream media throw out there day after day, night after night. Vaccine or no Vaccine.
And they damn sure don't want herd immunity because then their power ends.
Herd immunity is another farce. How many people need to walk around with umbrellas before you don't get wet when it rains?
Does anyone think that accurate CV-19 information or data might be being deliberately obfuscated by elected or appointed officials of the government or industry?
The question is if the reaction to it is correct. Is evaporating 1/3 of the nations wealth, soon to be double digit unemployment, thousands of businesses collapsed, years of recovery,.....worth this?
No.
The "cure" has been worse than the disease since about two weeks in. And no, not all medical people take it "seriously," if by seriously you mean "shutdown."
Why is it that if you don’t wring your hands and weep and cry out for complete and total isolation, your a virus denier all of a sudden?
Facts:
Covid 19 is a new virus introduced into the human population to which there was no previous exposure. Maybe previous exposure to one of the other more benign strains of corona viruses might give some people better protection, but that is conjecture. New virulent viruses can be rough on the population. Just ask the Incas after Pissarro showed up.
Next, it was CHINA that bungled the virus response first, followed by Italy.
China could have isolated this in Wuhan and they botched that. Once it was out of Wuhan, the world was phouced.
Italy’s healthcare system was overwhelmed so severely that panic started in the Western world. Had Italy not sheet the bed on this, the rest of the world would have had a more measured, rational response.
So don’t get pissed at Trump. He didn’t make the virus, screw the bat, or let it out of China. He’s advocated for effective treatment and is smart enough to understand that short of a vaccine that shows up within months, this will run through the world no matter what measures are taken. The only thing that is happening now is a steady march toward universal exposure and herd immunity. It’s just a matter of how slow or fast that occurs.
hatari, you're nailing it. It's funny to watch, all this number tallying. How many new cases yesterday, as opposed to the day before that.. and the day before that.. and the day before that. Bulshit! Has anybody heard anybody talk about the number of flu infections or morbidity due to THE FLU? I haven't.
The Chinese virus is running its course through the population. PERIOD. Like it or not, herd immunity will eventually stick its head up and win out (if it hasn't already), no matter what the fear mongering dumbasses on lamestream media throw out there day after day, night after night. Vaccine or no Vaccine.
And they damn sure don't want herd immunity because then their power ends.
Thats correct. Where did you serve? Many hospitals in southern California are very full.
Full of??????
During normal times hospitals are not empty waiting for a disaster. ICUs generally stay 80-85% occupied OR hospitals lose money and CLOSE. Small market hospitals face just that.
Add a global pandemic, and it is easy to see 10-15% increase. As long as hospitals are not over capacity, it is actually good and profitable.
Once again, increase in positive tests has not caused an increase in hospitalizations or deaths.
Chief of Maintenance. CW4. I also wore many other hats. Designed the armor we added to the Guntrucks. At 57 years old it was not my job to go
on convoys every day. I also layed out areas to load trucks, the Engines did the work. If you don,t believe or not thats your business. I was in a Artillery unit in
Vietnam from 1966 to 1967. Iraq 2003 to 2004. A place called Balad. It was the main supply distribution center for Iraq. At the time I was 8 years older than the
Chief of Maintenance. CW4. I also wore many other hats. Designed the armor we added to the Guntrucks. At 57 years old it was not my job to go
on convoys every day. I also layed out areas to load trucks, the Engines did the work. If you don,t believe or not thats your business. I was in a Artillery unit in
Vietnam from 1966 to 1967. Iraq 2003 to 2004. A place called Balad. It was the main supply distribution center for Iraq. At the time I was 8 years older than the
Tooter Old Fruiter pm'ed me and said he is emailing Al GORE to get his professional opinion on Corona mania . He may buy a sack of carbon credits from Mr Gore if the price is right.
Around the border between NM and Texas the town there have been sending folks to Lubbock for everything .
The Daughter in law works at a hospital and when this crap started they closed done the place for everything but this.
They had 2 floors set aside for them as well as the ER.
They had,at the time of the doom spell 7 folks there.
Had fewer folks at hospital for all of the other ailments.
They had the regular dummies that just wanted to get drugs.
The place let go a bunch of folks,now they claim they need money.
The Daughter and her Husband work at a hospital around Waco and they had the same thing done there.
A lot of them are not going to come back.
The little hospital here in the county did the same thing and they gave the floor nurses a chance to work the ER. Some tried it one shift and they went home saying they would rather get the lay off money.
So far as i know only 1 person has died in county.
Yep i think they made a larger deal that they should have out of this thing.
Finally, I actually have a friend with Covid 19....he is weathering it well, and I hate to say I'm glad I know SOMEBODY that has it.....so I am reassured its not a total scam...
My cousin got it. He had to quarantine for 14 days with his wife and 3 boys 13 and younger. He lost taste and smell. They all survived and are no worse off. Life is back to normal etc, etc. I finally know someone who has had it and lived.
Well, Ladies , it’s early this morning and I’ve gotta make an early, long run today to snatch some lips on speckled trout and redfish and so I thought that I might should check in on the Covid Naysayers Dummy Brigade and see how y’all dumb fuggs are doing.
You Naysayers must be feeling rather stupid about right now , eh? Heh !
Let’s see:
Herd Immunity yet ? Check Schools delayed openings? Check Many college classes now online onl? Check Possible pro sports delayed? Check College football season on the ropes and delayed or cancelled ? Check Phase 2 extended? Check Mask required in many public places with fines for not? Check Isolation, hygiene and distancing still heavily advised? Check Covid cases still climbing? Check Death rates still climbing? Check Still no vaccine for the disease? Check Mail in voting for whole States widely available? Check
These and many, many more items apply,,,too many to continue listing cause I gotta go fishing.
Looks like The Tootster and Duck 911 were spot on correct with our clearly stated concerns.
Looks like you Naysayers are looking even more stupid than you could possibly ever be were that even ever thought to be possible BUT y’all exceeded those expectations !!!
I’ll check back in later down the road to correct the Naysayers “brain trust “ as necessary. Meanwhile, you bunch of Idiots keep a tight line on your emotions.
Chief of Maintenance. CW4. I also wore many other hats. Designed the armor we added to the Guntrucks. At 57 years old it was not my job to go
on convoys every day. I also layed out areas to load trucks, the Engines did the work. If you don,t believe or not thats your business. I was in a Artillery unit in
Vietnam from 1966 to 1967. Iraq 2003 to 2004. A place called Balad. It was the main supply distribution center for Iraq. At the time I was 8 years older than the
Well, Ladies , it’s early this morning and I’ve gotta make an early, long run today to snatch some lips on speckled trout and redfish and so I thought that I might should check in on the Covid Naysayers Dummy Brigade and see how y’all dumb fuggs are doing.
You Naysayers must be feeling rather stupid about right now , eh? Heh !
Let’s see:
Herd Immunity yet ? Check Schools delayed openings? Check Many college classes now online onl? Check Possible pro sports delayed? Check College football season on the ropes and delayed or cancelled ? Check Phase 2 extended? Check Mask required in many public places with fines for not? Check Isolation, hygiene and distancing still heavily advised? Check Covid cases still climbing? Check Death rates still climbing? Check Still no vaccine for the disease? Check Mail in voting for whole States widely available? Check
These and many, many more items apply,,,too many to continue listing cause I gotta go fishing.
Looks like The Tootster and Duck 911 were spot on correct with our clearly stated concerns.
Looks like you Naysayers are looking even more stupid than you could possibly ever be were that even ever thought to be possible BUT y’all exceeded those expectations !!!
I’ll check back in later down the road to correct the Naysayers “brain trust “ as necessary. Meanwhile, you bunch of Idiots keep a tight line on your emotions.
The Tootster
How many people do you personally know that have died from the China virus? All that really matters is what's happening in my world, no family and no friends have died from the China virus. Tight lines and hopefully you won't catch the China flu. Common sense isn't very common any more.
Chief of Maintenance. CW4. I also wore many other hats. Designed the armor we added to the Guntrucks. At 57 years old it was not my job to go
on convoys every day. I also layed out areas to load trucks, the Engines did the work. If you don,t believe or not thats your business. I was in a Artillery unit in
Vietnam from 1966 to 1967. Iraq 2003 to 2004. A place called Balad. It was the main supply distribution center for Iraq. At the time I was 8 years older than the
Bn Commander.
Yeah sure.
And the hospitals are overrun.
LOL
You stupidassed alcoholic drunkard. You’re so fugged that you don’t even know who you’re supposed to be talking to. Pull an all-nighter, did you?
Your fuggin brain is shot. Makes you the consummate “Covtard”. You are hilarious, Sheriff !!!
Still on my way down to the marsh to fish. My boat and podnah driving his truck. So glad that I checked back in to see yet more stupidity from the Naysayers Posse (aka, Dingleberries).
Well, Ladies , it’s early this morning and I’ve gotta make an early, long run today to snatch some lips on speckled trout and redfish and so I thought that I might should check in on the Covid Naysayers Dummy Brigade and see how y’all dumb fuggs are doing.
You Naysayers must be feeling rather stupid about right now , eh? Heh !
Let’s see:
Herd Immunity yet ? Check Schools delayed openings? Check Many college classes now online onl? Check Possible pro sports delayed? Check College football season on the ropes and delayed or cancelled ? Check Phase 2 extended? Check Mask required in many public places with fines for not? Check Isolation, hygiene and distancing still heavily advised? Check Covid cases still climbing? Check Death rates still climbing? Check Still no vaccine for the disease? Check Mail in voting for whole States widely available? Check
These and many, many more items apply,,,too many to continue listing cause I gotta go fishing.
Looks like The Tootster and Duck 911 were spot on correct with our clearly stated concerns.
Looks like you Naysayers are looking even more stupid than you could possibly ever be were that even ever thought to be possible BUT y’all exceeded those expectations !!!
I’ll check back in later down the road to correct the Naysayers “brain trust “ as necessary. Meanwhile, you bunch of Idiots keep a tight line on your emotions.
The Tootster
How many people do you personally know that have died from the China virus? All that really matters is what's happening in my world, no family and no friends have died from the China virus. Tight lines and hopefully you won't catch the China flu. Common sense isn't very common any more.
Three now. Parents of friends in nursing homes who were otherwise healthy but handicapped with RA and one that was in assisted living where he was able to come and go.
First cousin’s husband who has now had 3 blood clots break through on him, one while having in surgery having the clot filter installed and has another large clot behind his knee.
My nephew who is a recently graduated MD had it but came through it okay to date but one of his clinical partners, MD, is still on a ventilator with a family decision having to be made pretty soon in the near future. I don’t know that doctor.
Other than those, just other anecdotal ones of distant acquaintances.
Thanks for the wishes on the fishing trip, it should be a good one.
It's like magically noone is dying from is around here anymore. Hell we have less than 700 hospitalizations in the state. I still don't think it warrants masks or any for of shutdown
You have the kiss of death around your campfire. We're blessed not to know anyone thats in a nursing home. We knew someone who died in 2009 from H1N1 she was our closest neighbor her kids put her in a nursing home instead of looking after her.
Well, Ladies , it’s early this morning and I’ve gotta make an early, long run today to snatch some lips on speckled trout and redfish and so I thought that I might should check in on the Covid Naysayers Dummy Brigade and see how y’all dumb fuggs are doing.
You Naysayers must be feeling rather stupid about right now , eh? Heh !
Let’s see:
Herd Immunity yet ? Check Schools delayed openings? Check Many college classes now online onl? Check Possible pro sports delayed? Check College football season on the ropes and delayed or cancelled ? Check Phase 2 extended? Check Mask required in many public places with fines for not? Check Isolation, hygiene and distancing still heavily advised? Check Covid cases still climbing? Check Death rates still climbing? Check Still no vaccine for the disease? Check Mail in voting for whole States widely available? Check
These and many, many more items apply,,,too many to continue listing cause I gotta go fishing.
Looks like The Tootster and Duck 911 were spot on correct with our clearly stated concerns.
Looks like you Naysayers are looking even more stupid than you could possibly ever be were that even ever thought to be possible BUT y’all exceeded those expectations !!!
I’ll check back in later down the road to correct the Naysayers “brain trust “ as necessary. Meanwhile, you bunch of Idiots keep a tight line on your emotions.
Chief of Maintenance. CW4. I also wore many other hats. Designed the armor we added to the Guntrucks. At 57 years old it was not my job to go
on convoys every day. I also layed out areas to load trucks, the Engines did the work. If you don,t believe or not thats your business. I was in a Artillery unit in
Vietnam from 1966 to 1967. Iraq 2003 to 2004. A place called Balad. It was the main supply distribution center for Iraq. At the time I was 8 years older than the
Bn Commander.
Yeah sure.
And the hospitals are overrun.
LOL
You stupidassed alcoholic drunkard. You’re so fugged that you don’t even know who you’re supposed to be talking to. Pull an all-nighter, did you?
Your fuggin brain is shot. Makes you the consummate “Covtard”. You are hilarious, Sheriff !!!
Still on my way down to the marsh to fish. My boat and podnah driving his truck. So glad that I checked back in to see yet more stupidity from the Naysayers Posse (aka, Dingleberries).
Congratulations on going fishing.
LOL
That’s impressive as the Duck taking his breaks from reloading.
Well, Ladies , it’s early this morning and I’ve gotta make an early, long run today to snatch some lips on speckled trout and redfish and so I thought that I might should check in on the Covid Naysayers Dummy Brigade and see how y’all dumb fuggs are doing.
You Naysayers must be feeling rather stupid about right now , eh? Heh !
Let’s see:
Herd Immunity yet ? Check Schools delayed openings? Check Many college classes now online onl? Check Possible pro sports delayed? Check College football season on the ropes and delayed or cancelled ? Check Phase 2 extended? Check Mask required in many public places with fines for not? Check Isolation, hygiene and distancing still heavily advised? Check Covid cases still climbing? Check Death rates still climbing? Check Still no vaccine for the disease? Check Mail in voting for whole States widely available? Check
These and many, many more items apply,,,too many to continue listing cause I gotta go fishing.
Looks like The Tootster and Duck 911 were spot on correct with our clearly stated concerns.
Looks like you Naysayers are looking even more stupid than you could possibly ever be were that even ever thought to be possible BUT y’all exceeded those expectations !!!
I’ll check back in later down the road to correct the Naysayers “brain trust “ as necessary. Meanwhile, you bunch of Idiots keep a tight line on your emotions.
The Tootster
Coot and The Duck.
What a team.
LOL
The 2021 Nadler Impeachment team is seeking new members.
Must have own clown suit and excel at sucking... anything.
We have a large extended family; mostly in the northwest but with members all over the US and Canada. Oldest member is 94 and the youngest is three. Some urban some rural. I know of no one who has been diagnosed with covid-19. It probably is not a hoax but it is certainly the most hyped virus since HIV. GD
How dare Toots go fishing in the midst of this pandemic.
Possibilities: Truck breaks down, boat breaks down Fuel for truck, fuel for boat All of the above are possible scenarios where Toots would be forced to interact with strangers/carriers. The horror!!
We have a large extended family; mostly in the northwest but with members all over the US and Canada. Oldest member is 94 and the youngest is three. Some urban some rural. I know of no one who has been diagnosed with covid-19. It probably is not a hoax but it is certainly the most hyped virus since HIV. GD
How dare Toots go fishing in the midst of this pandemic.
Possibilities: Truck breaks down, boat breaks down Fuel for truck, fuel for boat All of the above are possible scenarios where Toots would be forced to interact with strangers/carriers. The horror!!
Its ok. He will be wearing mask on his mouth, bra on his head , rubber gloves on hands and feet, and a rubber in his arse just to be safe.
Well, Ladies, back from the fishing trip and what a trip it was. Limited out on specs and reds yesterday and again today also along with 11 keeper Flounders. Wound up with 12, one gallon Zip lock bags of boneless filets . Hot as hell but The tides and winds were perfect.
On the way home I told my podnah that I was probably gonna sell my Triton Bass rig and just keep my 14’ skiff, only the second time I’ve used the big boat this whole year. He asked how much, I told him 22k$ for everything except my rods and tackle box. He said “I’ll take it”. Went to his place first and uncoupled the rig, went on down to my place and got all the paperwork, went to town to the bank we both use and transferred the 22k$ from his account to my account, gal there notarized all the paper work and that’s that ! Hell of a trip and were going back next week for a rematch. His boat, my truck.
Now,,,,,back to the thread subject,,,,,what happened to all of the Loudmothed Covid Naysayers here ?
Judgement time, Girls. If any of you big talking Idiots has any integrity at all, please step forth, act like a man and publicly apologize for your ongoing stupidity. You can do it.
Apparently you don’t support President Trump on actions for this pandemic and prefer talking out of both sides of your two faced mouths.
Uhhh....so you are calling the people that are not afraid of this cold bug.....ladies?
You should check for a gas leak.
Nothing said about “fear”, Jimbo. You’re cold trailing,,,again.
Your President thinks it’s real enough, quite obviously so, but not folks like yourself who claims to support him.
Strange, Jimbo. I never saw fear out of him at all.
Trump knows it’s BS but if he comes out and says it he’ll lose the covtard vote. Seeing as that’s the majority of the country it would not be politically expedient
The Duck o' Death took several odd approaches too.
As do the Naysayers, Jimbo. Denial of reality is a very odd approach, indeed.
Please call your congressman or the White House and express your tightly held views of all of the falsehoods about the covid. Thell’em that President Trump don’t know scchitt about this whole thing.
Uhhh....so you are calling the people that are not afraid of this cold bug.....ladies?
You should check for a gas leak.
Nothing said about “fear”, Jimbo. You’re cold trailing,,,again.
Your President thinks it’s real enough, quite obviously so, but not folks like yourself who claims to support him.
Strange, Jimbo. I never saw fear out of him at all.
Trump knows it’s BS but if he comes out and says it he’ll lose the covtard vote. Seeing as that’s the majority of the country it would not be politically expedient
Ahhhh, yes, it finally comes forth. The classic conservative EXCUSE reply.
Well, Ladies, back from the fishing trip and what a trip it was. Limited out on specs and reds yesterday and again today also along with 11 keeper Flounders. Wound up with 12, one gallon Zip lock bags of boneless filets . Hot as hell but The tides and winds were perfect.
On the way home I blew my podnah, and said that I was probably gonna sell my giant ass rig and just keep my 14’ plug, only the second time I’ve used the big plug this whole year. He asked how much, I told him 22$ for everything except my lube and dilldo box. He said “I’ll take it”. Went to his place first and uncoupled the dilldo, went on down to my place and got all the lube, went to town on the hole we both use and transferred the money shot from his account to my account, gurl there sampled all the fluids and that’s that ! Hell of a trip and we're going back next week for a rematch. His nut, my lube.
Well, Ladies, back from the fishing trip and what a trip it was. Limited out on specs and reds yesterday and again today also along with 11 keeper Flounders. Wound up with 12, one gallon Zip lock bags of boneless filets . Hot as hell but The tides and winds were perfect.
On the way home I blew my podnah, and said that I was probably gonna sell my giant ass rig and just keep my 14’ plug, only the second time I’ve used the big plug this whole year. He asked how much, I told him 22$ for everything except my lube and dilldo box. He said “I’ll take it”. Went to his place first and uncoupled the dilldo, went on down to my place and got all the lube, went to town on the hole we both use and transferred the money shot from his account to my account, gurl there sampled all the fluids and that’s that ! Hell of a trip and we're going back next week for a rematch. His nut, my lube.
Enter Sheriff Flave’s main dingleberry!!!!
How ya doing, fubar? Anymore big lies about these “courtesy hospital visits “ you’re so well known for?
Well, Ladies, back from the fishing trip and what a trip it was. Limited out on specs and reds yesterday and again today also along with 11 keeper Flounders. Wound up with 12, one gallon Zip lock bags of boneless filets . Hot as hell but The tides and winds were perfect.
On the way home I blew my podnah, and said that I was probably gonna sell my giant ass rig and just keep my 14’ plug, only the second time I’ve used the big plug this whole year. He asked how much, I told him 22$ for everything except my lube and dilldo box. He said “I’ll take it”. Went to his place first and uncoupled the dilldo, went on down to my place and got all the lube, went to town on the hole we both use and transferred the money shot from his account to my account, gurl there sampled all the fluids and that’s that ! Hell of a trip and we're going back next week for a rematch. His nut, my lube.
Enter Sheriff Flave’s main dingleberry!!!!
How ya doing, fubar? Anymore big lies about these “courtesy hospital visits “ you’re so well known for?
Lmao at your dumbass. Yet Again .
That's circle jerk gang, right?
Don't be confused, hard (so to speak) as it is for ya.
Well, Ladies, back from the fishing trip and what a trip it was. Limited out on specs and reds yesterday and again today also along with 11 keeper Flounders. Wound up with 12, one gallon Zip lock bags of boneless filets . Hot as hell but The tides and winds were perfect.
On the way home I blew my podnah, and said that I was probably gonna sell my giant ass rig and just keep my 14’ plug, only the second time I’ve used the big plug this whole year. He asked how much, I told him 22$ for everything except my lube and dilldo box. He said “I’ll take it”. Went to his place first and uncoupled the dilldo, went on down to my place and got all the lube, went to town on the hole we both use and transferred the money shot from his account to my account, gurl there sampled all the fluids and that’s that ! Hell of a trip and we're going back next week for a rematch. His nut, my lube.
Enter Sheriff Flave’s main dingleberry!!!!
How ya doing, fubar? Anymore big lies about these “courtesy hospital visits “ you’re so well known for?
Lmao at your dumbass. Yet Again .
That's circle jerk gang, right?
Don't be confused, hard (so to speak) as it is for ya.
Well, Ladies, back from the fishing trip and what a trip it was. Limited out on specs and reds yesterday and again today also along with 11 keeper Flounders. Wound up with 12, one gallon Zip lock bags of boneless filets . Hot as hell but The tides and winds were perfect.
On the way home I blew my podnah, and said that I was probably gonna sell my giant ass rig and just keep my 14’ plug, only the second time I’ve used the big plug this whole year. He asked how much, I told him 22$ for everything except my lube and dilldo box. He said “I’ll take it”. Went to his place first and uncoupled the dilldo, went on down to my place and got all the lube, went to town on the hole we both use and transferred the money shot from his account to my account, gurl there sampled all the fluids and that’s that ! Hell of a trip and we're going back next week for a rematch. His nut, my lube.
Enter Sheriff Flave’s main dingleberry!!!!
How ya doing, fubar? Anymore big lies about these “courtesy hospital visits “ you’re so well known for?
Lmao at your dumbass. Yet Again .
That's circle jerk gang, right?
Don't be confused, hard (so to speak) as it is for ya.
Well, Ladies, back from the fishing trip and what a trip it was. Limited out on specs and reds yesterday and again today also along with 11 keeper Flounders. Wound up with 12, one gallon Zip lock bags of boneless filets . Hot as hell but The tides and winds were perfect.
On the way home I blew my podnah, and said that I was probably gonna sell my giant ass rig and just keep my 14’ plug, only the second time I’ve used the big plug this whole year. He asked how much, I told him 22$ for everything except my lube and dilldo box. He said “I’ll take it”. Went to his place first and uncoupled the dilldo, went on down to my place and got all the lube, went to town on the hole we both use and transferred the money shot from his account to my account, gurl there sampled all the fluids and that’s that ! Hell of a trip and we're going back next week for a rematch. His nut, my lube.
Enter Sheriff Flave’s main dingleberry!!!!
How ya doing, fubar? Anymore big lies about these “courtesy hospital visits “ you’re so well known for?
Lmao at your dumbass. Yet Again .
That's circle jerk gang, right?
Don't be confused, hard (so to speak) as it is for ya.
Well, Ladies, back from the fishing trip and what a trip it was. Limited out on specs and reds yesterday and again today also along with 11 keeper Flounders. Wound up with 12, one gallon Zip lock bags of boneless filets . Hot as hell but The tides and winds were perfect.
On the way home I blew my podnah, and said that I was probably gonna sell my giant ass rig and just keep my 14’ plug, only the second time I’ve used the big plug this whole year. He asked how much, I told him 22$ for everything except my lube and dilldo box. He said “I’ll take it”. Went to his place first and uncoupled the dilldo, went on down to my place and got all the lube, went to town on the hole we both use and transferred the money shot from his account to my account, gurl there sampled all the fluids and that’s that ! Hell of a trip and we're going back next week for a rematch. His nut, my lube.
Enter Sheriff Flave’s main dingleberry!!!!
How ya doing, fubar? Anymore big lies about these “courtesy hospital visits “ you’re so well known for?
Lmao at your dumbass. Yet Again .
That's circle jerk gang, right?
Don't be confused, hard (so to speak) as it is for ya.
I'm *not* judging.
Cool story, bro.
Hopin things tasted as good as you described em.
Always good to hear from you, fubar. Always.
Tryin ta hook you up.
60,000 'fire members.
Play the odds.
Some of em must be blind and can't smell so good.
And apparently lost their “sense of tastes”.
If you get lucky, we can revisit the issue of disabilities.
Like I said you’re a dumbass and you prove it with every post.
You are a Covitard. Congratulations.
WinterCovid it is you and those like you who are the Covtards being in denial that it’s real and then in your two faced fashion and out the other side of your mouths claims to support our President. Can’t have it both ways, poo poo.
Either our President and his team are right and you fuggs support him - OR - President Trump and his team are wrong on this whole matter and you do not support him. It appears that you fuggs don’t support MY President.
Hey, Ladies,,,gotta run and put the corn out for my deer before dark and I’m tired and wore down from the two day fishing trip.
I’ll check back in on you lying bunch of fuggs tomorrow.
Meanwhile, please, please,,,,try to muster up some semblance of integrity, however meager it might be to apologize and admit that you’re wrong.
Man up.
Why are you feeding deer in the middle of the summer? Apparently you think they can't take care of themselves? Just like you think we can't take care of ourselves? What kind of science denier are you? Don't you believe in Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection? Maybe you're afraid it will be you next? Wouldn't that would be a great contribution to the Ecosystem? Helping the old and weak die?
Therefore let us declare that Covid is good. Kills Old Coots dead so the rest of us can enjoy more earthly resources. Three cheers for Old Coots! God rest his soul.
Browneye is a pootersnooter and cockksucker for sure. But for God's sake give up the ,,,,,, crap. It just doesn't look good. If you have to do it use periods...... like that (IMO).
There you go again, posting after you smoke that weed. Dulls the senses, you know. You really must up your game or Soros with start to withhold checks.
I believe it is no worse than most other flues and certainly not as bad as Spanish flue was.
Hyped for political and financial reasons beyond belief. Lies told, fraud committed, false positives, all kinds of “statistical” BS that doesn’t hold up to critical analysis, media and pharmic interests in collusion with anti Trump idiots.... the list goes on.
The mortality rate- mostly involving the physically and mentally compromised - is around 3 per 10,000 population. Serious for that .03%, but not for the human race. Just a weeding.
Wolves killing only the old and ill is far more believable!
I can't imagine being so scared of catching the China flu that you give up living. Live free or die, what part of that don't the liberals understand? When you can't think for yourself life would really suck.
Hey, Ladies,,,gotta run and put the corn out for my deer before dark and I’m tired and wore down from the two day fishing trip. I’ll check back in on you lying bunch of fuggs tomorrow. Meanwhile, please, please,,,,try to muster up some semblance of integrity, however meager it might be to apologize and admit that you’re wrong. Man up.
LOL
I like Toot too. I still think there is a gas leak.....
Hey, Ladies,,,gotta run and put the corn out for my deer before dark and I’m tired and wore down from the two day fishing trip. I’ll check back in on you lying bunch of fuggs tomorrow. Meanwhile, please, please,,,,try to muster up some semblance of integrity, however meager it might be to apologize and admit that you’re wrong. Man up.
LOL
I like Toot too. I still think there is a gas leak.....
Hey, Ladies,,,gotta run and put the corn out for my deer before dark and I’m tired and wore down from the two day fishing trip. I’ll check back in on you lying bunch of fuggs tomorrow. Meanwhile, please, please,,,,try to muster up some semblance of integrity, however meager it might be to apologize and admit that you’re wrong. Man up.
LOL
I like Toot too. I still think there is a gas leak.....
The Corona smoked out what 2016 couldn’t.
THAT^^^^
Afreaking'men ....
I've watched a bunch of men who I thought were mentally strong reduced to folks like Old Toot or at least the way he acts on here. It's been painful to watch.
When something really does happen, they gonna crawl into a hole and suck thumbs....
Hey, Ladies,,,gotta run and put the corn out for my deer before dark and I’m tired and wore down from the two day fishing trip. I’ll check back in on you lying bunch of fuggs tomorrow. Meanwhile, please, please,,,,try to muster up some semblance of integrity, however meager it might be to apologize and admit that you’re wrong. Man up.
LOL
I like Toot too. I still think there is a gas leak.....
The Corona smoked out what 2016 couldn’t.
THAT^^^^
Afreaking'men ....
I've watched a bunch of men who I thought were mentally strong reduced to folks like Old Toot or at least the way he acts on here. It's been painful to watch.
When something really does happen, they gonna crawl into a hole and suck thumbs....
Get past the “pain”, Pope Gregory, as quickly as you can, please. It makes you sound so. Weak.
It’s been a while since I laughed this much at grown men who love to dish it but run and hide under the sofa when it comes to taking it. I’ll bet those nannies on each other’s buddy lists have the PMs flying. A fuggin riot !!
Watching some here run in circles with one foot nailed to the floor and their hair on fire...a beautiful thing, I tell ya.
Thanks for the laughs, Ladies. It’s been fun.
Gotta go to the deer camp for a few days to do a little more work. Bringing a one gallon ziplock full of speckled trout filets, my big cast iron pot and two gallons of peanut oil and corn meal . One cronie will make his reknowed potato salad, another his world famous red beans with smoked sausage and lastly, another will make his signature homemade garlic bread using New Orleans French bread.
I’ll check back in on the Covid brain trust further down the line.
Only virus in history that the public must be tested to know they are sick.
Seriously real.
LOL. I hadn't thought of it that way, but you are correct. In this state, the fatality rate is about 1% of confirmed/probable cases, and that doesn't include all of the people who had it and didn't get tested (e.g. before testing was available, or who wouldn't get tested over a minor symptom such as a sore throat). The fatalities were largely people who were compromised. I don't see many people sweating this. North Wyoming has even less concern. There were about 20% wearing masks in Yellowstone and the Tetons last month (excluding some lobbies and stores where masks were required), including many with California license plates.
Tooty is headed for the deer lease armed w/ cast iron and trout which proves that he is right about the plague and is a manly man. What is extra funny is that the only pm i received about this thread was from him.
Well, Ladies , it’s early this morning and I’ve gotta make an early, long run today to snatch some lips on speckled trout and redfish and so I thought that I might should check in on the Covid Naysayers Dummy Brigade and see how y’all dumb fuggs are doing.
You Naysayers must be feeling rather stupid about right now , eh? Heh !
Let’s see:
Herd Immunity yet ? Check Schools delayed openings? Check Many college classes now online onl? Check Possible pro sports delayed? Check College football season on the ropes and delayed or cancelled ? Check Phase 2 extended? Check Mask required in many public places with fines for not? Check Isolation, hygiene and distancing still heavily advised? Check Covid cases still climbing? Check Death rates still climbing? Check Still no vaccine for the disease? Check Mail in voting for whole States widely available? Check
These and many, many more items apply,,,too many to continue listing cause I gotta go fishing.
Looks like The Tootster and Duck 911 were spot on correct with our clearly stated concerns.
Looks like you Naysayers are looking even more stupid than you could possibly ever be were that even ever thought to be possible BUT y’all exceeded those expectations !!!
I’ll check back in later down the road to correct the Naysayers “brain trust “ as necessary. Meanwhile, you bunch of Idiots keep a tight line on your emotions.
The Tootster
Let’s see:
Postal deliveries getting later and later. Check Payments being delayed. Check. Rural schools with poor internet connections at a learning crisis. Check. Sporting goods shipments of guns and ammo further delayed. Check More cancellations of Sporting related conventions cancelled. Check Empty venues for all sporting events. Check. Virtual Crowds created for televised events. Check.
Ladies,,,the list keeps growing and yet you of little integrity still Naysay.
Cleanse yourselves and confess, come clean and you’ll be better for it.
Well, Ladies , it’s early this morning and I’ve gotta make an early, long run today to snatch some lips on speckled trout and redfish and so I thought that I might should check in on the Covid Naysayers Dummy Brigade and see how y’all dumb fuggs are doing.
You Naysayers must be feeling rather stupid about right now , eh? Heh !
Let’s see:
Herd Immunity yet ? Check Schools delayed openings? Check Many college classes now online onl? Check Possible pro sports delayed? Check College football season on the ropes and delayed or cancelled ? Check Phase 2 extended? Check Mask required in many public places with fines for not? Check Isolation, hygiene and distancing still heavily advised? Check Covid cases still climbing? Check Death rates still climbing? Check Still no vaccine for the disease? Check Mail in voting for whole States widely available? Check
These and many, many more items apply,,,too many to continue listing cause I gotta go fishing.
Looks like The Tootster and Duck 911 were spot on correct with our clearly stated concerns.
Looks like you Naysayers are looking even more stupid than you could possibly ever be were that even ever thought to be possible BUT y’all exceeded those expectations !!!
I’ll check back in later down the road to correct the Naysayers “brain trust “ as necessary. Meanwhile, you bunch of Idiots keep a tight line on your emotions.
The Tootster
Let’s see:
Postal deliveries getting later and later. Check Payments being delayed. Check. Rural schools with poor internet connections at a learning crisis. Check. Sporting goods shipments of guns and ammo further delayed. Check More cancellations of Sporting related conventions cancelled. Check Empty venues for all sporting events. Check. Virtual Crowds created for televised events. Check.
Ladies,,,the list keeps growing and yet you of little integrity still Naysay.
Cleanse yourselves and confess, come clean and you’ll be better for it.
The Tootster
Mystery solved... you ARE Hillary's Sockpuppet.
Check list and sad face were the final clue needed.
Well, Ladies , it’s early this morning and I’ve gotta make an early, long run today to snatch some lips on speckled trout and redfish and so I thought that I might should check in on the Covid Naysayers Dummy Brigade and see how y’all dumb fuggs are doing.
You Naysayers must be feeling rather stupid about right now , eh? Heh !
Let’s see:
Herd Immunity yet ? Check Schools delayed openings? Check Many college classes now online onl? Check Possible pro sports delayed? Check College football season on the ropes and delayed or cancelled ? Check Phase 2 extended? Check Mask required in many public places with fines for not? Check Isolation, hygiene and distancing still heavily advised? Check Covid cases still climbing? Check Death rates still climbing? Check Still no vaccine for the disease? Check Mail in voting for whole States widely available? Check
These and many, many more items apply,,,too many to continue listing cause I gotta go fishing.
Looks like The Tootster and Duck 911 were spot on correct with our clearly stated concerns.
Looks like you Naysayers are looking even more stupid than you could possibly ever be were that even ever thought to be possible BUT y’all exceeded those expectations !!!
I’ll check back in later down the road to correct the Naysayers “brain trust “ as necessary. Meanwhile, you bunch of Idiots keep a tight line on your emotions.
The Tootster
Let’s see:
Postal deliveries getting later and later. Check Payments being delayed. Check. Rural schools with poor internet connections at a learning crisis. Check. Sporting goods shipments of guns and ammo further delayed. Check More cancellations of Sporting related conventions cancelled. Check Empty venues for all sporting events. Check. Virtual Crowds created for televised events. Check.
Ladies,,,the list keeps growing and yet you of little integrity still Naysay.
Cleanse yourselves and confess, come clean and you’ll be better for it.
The Tootster
Mystery solved... you ARE Hillary's Sockpuppet.
Check list and sad face were the final clue needed.
Welcome to the Fire... Madam Not President
Could you possibly get anymore inane, sophomoric and stupid ?
Yes, you can, Queenie. Yes you can.
You are a prime , grade A dingleberry attached to the sheriff’s nether regions .
Well, Ladies , it’s early this morning and I’ve gotta make an early, long run today to snatch some lips on speckled trout and redfish and so I thought that I might should check in on the Covid Naysayers Dummy Brigade and see how y’all dumb fuggs are doing.
You Naysayers must be feeling rather stupid about right now , eh? Heh !
Let’s see:
Herd Immunity yet ? Check Schools delayed openings? Check Many college classes now online onl? Check Possible pro sports delayed? Check College football season on the ropes and delayed or cancelled ? Check Phase 2 extended? Check Mask required in many public places with fines for not? Check Isolation, hygiene and distancing still heavily advised? Check Covid cases still climbing? Check Death rates still climbing? Check Still no vaccine for the disease? Check Mail in voting for whole States widely available? Check
These and many, many more items apply,,,too many to continue listing cause I gotta go fishing.
Looks like The Tootster and Duck 911 were spot on correct with our clearly stated concerns.
Looks like you Naysayers are looking even more stupid than you could possibly ever be were that even ever thought to be possible BUT y’all exceeded those expectations !!!
I’ll check back in later down the road to correct the Naysayers “brain trust “ as necessary. Meanwhile, you bunch of Idiots keep a tight line on your emotions.
The Tootster
Let’s see:
Postal deliveries getting later and later. Check Payments being delayed. Check. Rural schools with poor internet connections at a learning crisis. Check. Sporting goods shipments of guns and ammo further delayed. Check More cancellations of Sporting related conventions cancelled. Check Empty venues for all sporting events. Check. Virtual Crowds created for televised events. Check.
Ladies,,,the list keeps growing and yet you of little integrity still Naysay.
Cleanse yourselves and confess, come clean and you’ll be better for it.
The Tootster
Mystery solved... you ARE Hillary's Sockpuppet.
Check list and sad face were the final clue needed.
Welcome to the Fire... Madam Not President
Could you possibly get anymore inane, sophomoric and stupid ?
Yes, you can, Queenie. Yes you can.
You are a prime , grade A dingleberry attached to the sheriff’s nether regions .
I am trying to understand if I am witnessing a break down or not.
What the fugg are you even doing man?
Its a bad look. Jmho.
He's kinda like a guy eating a big pile of dog chit to prove it is edible, tasty and not actually dog chit.
Best I can figure.
You’re needing some buddies about now.
I'm OK... crawfish ain't too scary.
You’re just wore down and mentally depleted from all of that shadow boxing and sparring with the fool in the mirror.
I’ll bet you kicked her ass.
Weak... try again.
Your continual despair is palpable, Queenie.
The true nature of my despair is my guaranteed death within the next 4 hours from the Coronavirus... or a king cobra strike... and yet you mock my fear
He's kinda like a guy eating a big pile of dog chit to prove it is edible, tasty and not actually dog chit.
Best I can figure.
You’re needing some buddies about now.
I'm OK... crawfish ain't too scary.
You’re just wore down and mentally depleted from all of that shadow boxing and sparring with the fool in the mirror.
I’ll bet you kicked her ass.
Weak... try again.
Your continual despair is palpable, Queenie.
The true nature of my despair is my guaranteed death within the next 4 hours from the Coronavirus... or a king cobra strike... and yet you mock my fear
Abstain and absent yourself at any time Big Jim.[/quote
You’re needing some buddies about now.
I'm OK... crawfish ain't too scary.
You’re just wore down and mentally depleted from all of that shadow boxing and sparring with the fool in the mirror.
I’ll bet you kicked her ass.
Weak... try again.
Your continual despair is palpable, Queenie.
The true nature of my despair is my guaranteed death within the next 4 hours from the Coronavirus... or a king cobra strike... and yet you mock my fear
Abstain and absent yourself at any time Big Jim.[/quote
You’re needing some buddies about now.
I'm OK... crawfish ain't too scary.
You’re just wore down and mentally depleted from all of that shadow boxing and sparring with the fool in the mirror.
I’ll bet you kicked her ass.
Weak... try again.
Your continual despair is palpable, Queenie.
The true nature of my despair is my guaranteed death within the next 4 hours from the Coronavirus... or a king cobra strike... and yet you mock my fear
You’re babbling.
Again.
It's the damn mask...
For once in your whole tenure here you told the truth.
The true nature of my despair is my guaranteed death within the next 4 hours from the Coronavirus... or a king cobra strike... and yet you mock my fear
India snakes kill 46,000 a year Lack of anti-venom in rural areas and difficulty accessing health centres are among a number of factor contributing to 46,000 deaths every year. May 16, 2016 NEW DELHI // Chirag Roy set off for the nearby Indian village of Kollara after receiving a call that fateful morning.
A spectacled cobra had been spotted in the neighbouring village, one kilometre away. Would he be able to come immediately?
As the resident naturalist at Svasara Resorts, in the Tadoba Tiger Reserve in eastern Maharashtra, Roy had wanted to rescue the snake. But that morning on March 1, he was bitten by the cobra and died on the way to hospital.
“The villagers had a tendency to kill any snake they saw,” said Ratika Sinha, Svasara’s executive director, adding that Roy often received such phone calls. “He was a very passionate herpetologist, and he tried to rescue the snakes instead.”
Roughly 46,000 people die of snakebites in India every year, according to the American Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene, accounting for nearly half of the 100,000 annual snakebite deaths the world over.
But most of these deaths are entirely avoidable, said Gerry Martin, a Bengaluru-based conservationist who works to reduce snakebite mortality.
A colleague had followed Roy that day, leaving Svasara minutes later after assembling a kit to rescue the snake. By the time he reached Kollara, Roy had been bitten by the cobra.
He was not bleeding, but he knew what had happened. “I need to go to a hospital,” Roy told his colleague.
The nearest government hospital was 14 kilometres away, and the doctors there failed to see the urgency of Roy’s condition. By the time he was given a shot of anti-venom, it was clear he needed further medical attention as he could not breathe and was vomiting.
An ambulance was parked at the hospital but its attendants were nowhere to be found.
Another van was commandeered, but the journey to the city of Nagpur took two hours. Roy died on the way, at the age of 30.
Roy’s death was quite unusual, Mr Martin said.
“Snakebite in this country doesn’t usually affect people of the middle and upper middle class. It’s a poor man’s affliction, it’s a farmer’s affliction.”
The infrastructure to deal quickly and effectively with snakebites is often inadequate in rural areas. Roads to the nearest hospital may be bad or non-existent, so ambulances may struggle to get victims to health centres. In remote hospitals, stocks of anti-venom can run low.
But the real problem, Mr Martin said, is a lack of awareness.
Covid just killed a local guy a couple years older than my dad. Mid 70's.
Another friend of my dad's got it and he said it messed him up pretty good.
My grandpa died 45 years ago at a fairly young age from pneumonia so I worry.
My mother-85, father-86 are a bit worrisome to me but they really aren't worried themselves. Mom's been a fairly heavy smoker since 18 and is still grocery shopping and dining out regular. Friday at work and here comes dad strolling in, asked what he was doing 'just out running errands'
Covid just killed a local guy a couple years older than my dad. Mid 70's.
Another friend of my dad's got it and he said it messed him up pretty good.
My grandpa died 45 years ago at a fairly young age from pneumonia so I worry.
Two hunting club members didn’t show for this past weekend. Both have it and one is a heavy diabetic and is in the hospital.
The other one is at home. Talked to him this morning. Told me he’d never felt this bad . Docs told him to stay home and if breathing problems start then get to the hospital asap. His wife is with her brother in Mississippi and he’s dying of cancer. She can’t come home and he can’t go to his bil’s funeral should he pass soon.
Raeford, you asked earlier, no, we don’t wear masks at the hunting lease . We won’t have another work session for quite a while it appears.
How many weeks until you and Doctor Duck declare yourselves “survivors?”
LMAO
Survivors so far and now becoming sacrificial Front Liners. Grins
Have you been tested for the China flu? Seems like an awful lot of people you know are coming down with the China virus, you might be a super carrier or something.
How many weeks until you and Doctor Duck declare yourselves “survivors?”
LMAO
Survivors so far and now becoming sacrificial Front Liners. Grins
Have you been tested for the China flu? Seems like an awful lot of people you know are coming down with the China virus, you might be a super carrier or something.
No one in my immediate area or association has had except for the two Gents at the deer camp last weekend and all of us were closely intermingled there over the 2 days. One works at the court house and is in contact with many people on a daily basis.
Others affected are and have been relatively distant .
Forgot to mention, another bodacious fishing trip to the marsh. Limited out on specs and reds again but only 4 keeper flounder.
That’s it for my fishing for a while. My podnah that bought my Triton bass rig is hauling it to his camp on the north end of Toledo Bend this weekend where it will there reside in perpetuity.
No mask were worn for the duration of the trip, preferring to ‘walk on the wild side ‘ and tempt fate. That,,we did.
Forgot to mention, another bodacious fishing trip to the marsh. Limited out on specs and reds again but only 4 keeper flounder.
That’s it for my fishing for a while. My podnah that bought my Triton bass rig is hauling it to his camp on the north end of Toledo Bend this weekend where it will there reside in perpetuity.
No mask were worn for the duration of the trip, preferring to ‘walk on the wild side ‘ and tempt fate. That,,we did.
You should have done better
Regardless, COVID is no more dangerous than the flu or going somewhere in your vehicle
You and several others have bought into the hype hook, line, and sinker
Forgot to mention, another bodacious fishing trip to the marsh. Limited out on specs and reds again but only 4 keeper flounder.
That’s it for my fishing for a while. My podnah that bought my Triton bass rig is hauling it to his camp on the north end of Toledo Bend this weekend where it will there reside in perpetuity.
No mask were worn for the duration of the trip, preferring to ‘walk on the wild side ‘ and tempt fate. That,,we did.
You should have done better
Regardless, COVID is no more dangerous than the flu or going somewhere in your vehicle
You and several others have bought into the hype hook, line, and sinker
Forgot to mention, another bodacious fishing trip to the marsh. Limited out on specs and reds again but only 4 keeper flounder.
That’s it for my fishing for a while. My podnah that bought my Triton bass rig is hauling it to his camp on the north end of Toledo Bend this weekend where it will there reside in perpetuity.
No mask were worn for the duration of the trip, preferring to ‘walk on the wild side ‘ and tempt fate. That,,we did.
You should have done better
Regardless, COVID is no more dangerous than the flu or going somewhere in your vehicle
You and several others have bought into the hype hook, line, and sinker
Forgot to mention, another bodacious fishing trip to the marsh. Limited out on specs and reds again but only 4 keeper flounder.
That’s it for my fishing for a while. My podnah that bought my Triton bass rig is hauling it to his camp on the north end of Toledo Bend this weekend where it will there reside in perpetuity.
No mask were worn for the duration of the trip, preferring to ‘walk on the wild side ‘ and tempt fate. That,,we did.
You should have done better
Regardless, COVID is no more dangerous than the flu or going somewhere in your vehicle
You and several others have bought into the hype hook, line, and sinker
Exponential!
Very poignant and moving post.
Thank you, Bob.
You’re welcome, Cock sucker
Bob you’d probably be a pretty good guy did you give up being a practitioner of the sodomic arts and your fascination with all things concerning the lower parts of the human anatomy. Those are very telling characteristics of your demeanor and being. A pattern has emerged and become consistent to even the most unpracticed eye .
Forgot to mention, another bodacious fishing trip to the marsh. Limited out on specs and reds again but only 4 keeper flounder.
That’s it for my fishing for a while. My podnah that bought my Triton bass rig is hauling it to his camp on the north end of Toledo Bend this weekend where it will there reside in perpetuity.
No mask were worn for the duration of the trip, preferring to ‘walk on the wild side ‘ and tempt fate. That,,we did.
You should have done better
Regardless, COVID is no more dangerous than the flu or going somewhere in your vehicle
You and several others have bought into the hype hook, line, and sinker
Exponential!
Very poignant and moving post.
Thank you, Bob.
You’re welcome, Cock sucker
Bob you’d probably be a pretty good guy did you give up being a practitioner of the sodomic arts and your fascination with all things concerning the lower parts of the human anatomy. Those are very telling characteristics of your demeanor and being. A pattern has emerged and become consistent to even the most unpracticed eye .
Just friendly advice from one who cares.
Fancy words won't change the fact you are a blabbering idiot
Forgot to mention, another bodacious fishing trip to the marsh. Limited out on specs and reds again but only 4 keeper flounder.
That’s it for my fishing for a while. My podnah that bought my Triton bass rig is hauling it to his camp on the north end of Toledo Bend this weekend where it will there reside in perpetuity.
No mask were worn for the duration of the trip, preferring to ‘walk on the wild side ‘ and tempt fate. That,,we did.
You should have done better
Regardless, COVID is no more dangerous than the flu or going somewhere in your vehicle
You and several others have bought into the hype hook, line, and sinker
Exponential!
Very poignant and moving post.
Thank you, Bob.
You’re welcome, Cock sucker
Bob you’d probably be a pretty good guy did you give up being a practitioner of the sodomic arts and your fascination with all things concerning the lower parts of the human anatomy. Those are very telling characteristics of your demeanor and being. A pattern has emerged and become consistent to even the most unpracticed eye .
Just friendly advice from one who cares.
Fancy words won't change the fact you are a blabbering idiot
Nor does it change your inclinations already mentioned as well as your obvious perplexities with the English language.
Try and have a sodomic free day today. Just once. You can do it.
I know there are no icu beds in macon, columbus, atlanta, patients out in halls on gurney with tents over them looking like E.T. when he was dying. Friends wife had a stroke and had to be holicoptered to Charleston last week.
I know there are no icu beds in macon, columbus, atlanta, patients out in halls on gurney with tents over them looking like E.T. when he was dying. Friends wife had a stroke and had to be holicoptered to Charleston last week.
Killery, I believe that the Naysayers are running low on steam about now.
It'll dry by burning time, don't tell anyone but I didn't wear a mask while cutting/splitting.
You’re stretching the bounds of elasticity with that.
Went to a memorial service this morning for the wife of a good friend who died in March. Roman Catholic mass. Had to have a mask and hand sanitizer used upon entering and observe distancing while seated.
The priest wore no mask during the service for voice clarity but come time for Communion he put a mask on. The partakers of Communion observed distancing to the Altar area and back to seating.
The Priest served the Host Bread barehanded, no rubber gloves. Go figger that.
It'll dry by burning time, don't tell anyone but I didn't wear a mask while cutting/splitting.
You’re stretching the bounds of elasticity with that.
Went to a memorial service this morning for the wife of a good friend who died in March. Roman Catholic mass. Had to have a mask and hand sanitizer used upon entering and observe distancing while seated.
The priest wore no mask during the service for voice clarity but come time for Communion he put a mask on. The partakers of Communion observed distancing to the Altar area and back to seating.
The Priest served the Host Bread barehanded, no rubber gloves. Go figger that.
Makes perfect sense, for people that think hydroxychloroquine isn't as safe as dying.
Wearing a mask is like throwing a handful of marbles at a chain link fence and expecting some them not to go thru the fence. Mask provides no eye protection.
I know there are no icu beds in macon, columbus, atlanta, patients out in halls on gurney with tents over them looking like E.T. when he was dying. Friends wife had a stroke and had to be holicoptered to Charleston last week.
Killery, I believe that the Naysayers are running low on steam about now.
I think he's full of crap, I was in Meadows Regional Medical Center in Vidiala, GA having surgery a week ago tomorrow and it didn't look anything like what he said. My wife was even allowed in my recovery room, it's sure nice to hear a voice you recognize when you wake up.
From the article: "Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective dose is smaller than one aerosol particle.
The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history.
(From Words from the Publisher: "We pledge to publish all letters, guest commentaries, or studies refuting [Rancourt's] general premise that this mask-wearing culture and shaming could be more harmful than helpful. Please send your feedback to [email protected].") [UPDATE: August 12, 2020 Still No Evidence Justifying Mandatory Masks] "
Whole thing is political bullchit - just to show how fast/far the gov't can control the sheeple..... I will NOT NOT NOT comply.... PERIOD.
How much more of your freedoms are you willing to give up in a fruitless effort to have zero new cases?
Especially when the measures being taken such as mandatory wearing of worthless paper masks????????????
Many states are still being held hostage by power hungry guv'ners (all Demons, by the way) by keeping those states in a "state of emergency"...............when does it end?
With a "vaccine" or an "inocculation" that at best, will be 50% effective? How much good will that really do?
When is enough, enough?
More people died when the Zero was POTUS from S1N1 than from C-19......................where was the self righteous outrage then?
Yes, C-19 is real, but badly overblown & politicized for a single purpose.
It'll dry by burning time, don't tell anyone but I didn't wear a mask while cutting/splitting.
You’re stretching the bounds of elasticity with that.
Went to a memorial service this morning for the wife of a good friend who died in March. Roman Catholic mass. Had to have a mask and hand sanitizer used upon entering and observe distancing while seated.
The priest wore no mask during the service for voice clarity but come time for Communion he put a mask on. The partakers of Communion observed distancing to the Altar area and back to seating.
The Priest served the Host Bread barehanded, no rubber gloves. Go figger that.
It's called virtue signaling.
People know the mask doesn't do a damn thing, but they still wear it to pretend like they care.
I identify those people as not only liars... but also stupid.
How much more of your freedoms are you willing to give up in a fruitless effort to have zero new cases?
Especially when the measures being taken such as mandatory wearing of worthless paper masks????????????
Many states are still being held hostage by power hungry guv'ners (all Demons, by the way) by keeping those states in a "state of emergency"...............when does it end?
With a "vaccine" or an "inocculation" that at best, will be 50% effective? How much good will that really do?
When is enough, enough?
More people died when the Zero was POTUS from S1N1 than from C-19......................where was the self righteous outrage then?
Yes, C-19 is real, but badly overblown & politicized for a single purpose.
It'll dry by burning time, don't tell anyone but I didn't wear a mask while cutting/splitting.
You’re stretching the bounds of elasticity with that.
Went to a memorial service this morning for the wife of a good friend who died in March. Roman Catholic mass. Had to have a mask and hand sanitizer used upon entering and observe distancing while seated.
The priest wore no mask during the service for voice clarity but come time for Communion he put a mask on. The partakers of Communion observed distancing to the Altar area and back to seating.
The Priest served the Host Bread barehanded, no rubber gloves. Go figger that.
It's called virtue signaling.
People know the mask doesn't do a damn thing, but they still wear it to pretend like they care.
I identify those people as not only liars... but also stupid.
I know there are no icu beds in macon, columbus, atlanta, patients out in halls on gurney with tents over them looking like E.T. when he was dying. Friends wife had a stroke and had to be holicoptered to Charleston last week.
I know 10 docs in Columbus GA who are literally out of work. This is horse crap.
Statistics updated again. Unless you are over seventy the survival rate is 99+% Over seventy 94.6%. It will keep getting lower with all the "new reported cases"
Not quite a hoax, but a well managed snow job.
I would bet, if you look at testing for any disease/virus they take a similar evolution.. That is just immunoresponse dynamics of a large population.
We were led by the MSM to panic and injure the economy but also force business to evolve and create opportunities for strife...
Well, Ladies , it’s early this morning and I’ve gotta make an early, long run today to snatch some lips on speckled trout and redfish and so I thought that I might should check in on the Covid Naysayers Dummy Brigade and see how y’all dumb fuggs are doing.
You Naysayers must be feeling rather stupid about right now , eh? Heh !
Let’s see:
Herd Immunity yet ? Check Schools delayed openings? Check Many college classes now online onl? Check Possible pro sports delayed? Check College football season on the ropes and delayed or cancelled ? Check Phase 2 extended? Check Mask required in many public places with fines for not? Check Isolation, hygiene and distancing still heavily advised? Check Covid cases still climbing? Check Death rates still climbing? Check Still no vaccine for the disease? Check Mail in voting for whole States widely available? Check
These and many, many more items apply,,,too many to continue listing cause I gotta go fishing.
Looks like The Tootster and Duck 911 were spot on correct with our clearly stated concerns.
Looks like you Naysayers are looking even more stupid than you could possibly ever be were that even ever thought to be possible BUT y’all exceeded those expectations !!!
I’ll check back in later down the road to correct the Naysayers “brain trust “ as necessary. Meanwhile, you bunch of Idiots keep a tight line on your emotions.
Well, Ladies , it’s early this morning and I’ve gotta make an early, long run today to snatch some lips on speckled trout and redfish and so I thought that I might should check in on the Covid Naysayers Dummy Brigade and see how y’all dumb fuggs are doing.
You Naysayers must be feeling rather stupid about right now , eh? Heh !
Let’s see:
Herd Immunity yet ? Check Schools delayed openings? Check Many college classes now online onl? Check Possible pro sports delayed? Check College football season on the ropes and delayed or cancelled ? Check Phase 2 extended? Check Mask required in many public places with fines for not? Check Isolation, hygiene and distancing still heavily advised? Check Covid cases still climbing? Check Death rates still climbing? Check Still no vaccine for the disease? Check Mail in voting for whole States widely available? Check
These and many, many more items apply,,,too many to continue listing cause I gotta go fishing.
Looks like The Tootster and Duck 911 were spot on correct with our clearly stated concerns.
Looks like you Naysayers are looking even more stupid than you could possibly ever be were that even ever thought to be possible BUT y’all exceeded those expectations !!!
I’ll check back in later down the road to correct the Naysayers “brain trust “ as necessary. Meanwhile, you bunch of Idiots keep a tight line on your emotions.
memtb
memtb
it sure ain't doomsday. But I could be wrong, 14 infected in the entire state so it's spreading like wildfire. 
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