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US Firms Tried To Get Own Medical Equipment Out of China but Chinese Kept It All for Themselves

China should be on its knees expressing remorse for the virus that emanated from its shores and infected the entire world.

But that is not what they did. The Trump administration claims that, rather than groveling for forgiveness that they do not deserve, they hoarded personal protective equipment.

These are the things like N95 masks that American hospitals desperately need but which China stopped American companies with factories on its soil from exporting, the New York Post reported.

A senior White House official said the measures were part of a play by China to “corner the world market” on PPE.

Now the Trump administration is considering working “through the United Nations” or lodging a complaint with the European Court of Human Rights.

“In criminal law, compare this to the levels that we have for murder,” Trump campaign senior legal adviser Jenna Ellis said.

“People are dying. When you have intentional, cold-blooded, premeditated action like you have with China, this would be considered first-degree murder.”

The White House was informed by executives from 3M and Honeywell that China had started blocking the export of booties, gloves, N95 respirators and other PPE in January.

Simultaneously, the regime imported nearly 2.5 billion pieces of “epidemic prevention and control materials” from Jan. 24 to Feb. 29.

“Data from China’s own customs agency points to an attempt to corner the world market in PPE like gloves, goggles, and masks through massive increased purchases — even as China, the world’s largest PPE manufacturer, was restricting exports,” the White House official said.

Faced with a shortage of masks, President Donald Trump used the Defense Production Act to force 3M to make N95 respirator masks for the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

That had to be done because China was hoarding the supplies, according to U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission founding member Michael Wessell.

“We understand that China has engaged in policies to try and not only develop its own capabilities, but to do so at expense of producers around the world,” Wessell said.

“At a time when demand was rising to deal with the crisis, China was marshaling all of the products for its own use,” he added.

“Some of China’s actions are probably illegal, but to bring cases when you’re in the middle of the crisis does little good for the patients who are in the hospital on ventilators — and might not have been there had they had access to PPE.”

Wessell is correct, but the broader point to keep in mind is that this is the status quo when you deal with communists.

If you choose to manufacture in a communist nation, you should never believe that you have control of your product.

Communism has no room for the individual. Everything is done for the state.

It is time that these American companies take notice and consider bringing their manufacturing back home to create American jobs and protect our nation’s security.

Never again should the well-being of our citizens be at the mercy of a nation that is not our friend.


https://www.westernjournal.com/us-firms-tried-get-med-equipment-china-chinese-kept/
My understanding is that Americans don't own their companies in chinksville, they are partnerships. As such the products they produce belongs to the chinese.
We reaped exactly what we sowed. Thanks Bill Corksucker Clinton and Obama.
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
My understanding is that Americans don't own their companies in chinksville, they are partnerships. As such the products they produce belongs to the chinese.


Do you know more than senior legal advisors in the Trump administration?

If not,then your comment is nothing more than internet drivel.
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
My understanding is that Americans don't own their companies in chinksville, they are partnerships. As such the products they produce belongs to the chinese.


So why would we bother making stuff there if that is the case? I think they have to share technology of said products which is total horsechitt.
Originally Posted by hanco
We reaped exactly what we sowed. Thanks Bill Corksucker Clinton and Obama.

Quoted for truth.
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
My understanding is that Americans don't own their companies in chinksville, they are partnerships. As such the products they produce belongs to the chinese.

US companies can own 49% but the Chinese Government owns the remainder.
the company I worked for built one retirement facility in China. had all the assurances of long term cooperation and operation from the ChiComs. within one year of completion they took it over and gave us the door. 12 million dollar lesson.
Originally Posted by hanco
We reaped exactly what we sowed. Thanks Bill Corksucker Clinton and Obama.



You left out GW

Good Read

In Short it no manufacturer can expect long term success in China
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
My understanding is that Americans don't own their companies in chinksville, they are partnerships. As such the products they produce belongs to the chinese.

US companies can own 49% but the Chinese Government owns the remainder.


That's not accurate.

China has strong-armed companies into handing over trade secrets in exchange for market access.Only in some sectors will China let foreign firms operate through joint ventures,in which Chinese partners have the majority stake.
Originally Posted by rte
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
My understanding is that Americans don't own their companies in chinksville, they are partnerships. As such the products they produce belongs to the chinese.

US companies can own 49% but the Chinese Government owns the remainder.


That's not accurate.

China has strong-armed companies into handing over trade secrets in exchange for market access.Only in some sectors will China let foreign firms operate through joint ventures,in which Chinese partners have the majority stake.



I can tell you that the company I worked for (since retired) bought a Chinese company and were only allowed a 49% share of it. The Chi Coms kept the rest.
It's called Patriotism when we put America first but criminal when China does it. LOL

Screw them, they'll screw us given the chance.
Our government doesn’t take majority ownership like is done in China.
Like I said in another thread. The chinee own lots of real property here. Send in the IRS. IRS doesn’t have any qualms about taking a citizens property. Should bother em then! Hell turn em loose on the chinee. Take there schidt here.
Originally Posted by rte
US Firms Tried To Get Own Medical Equipment Out of China but Chinese Kept It All for Themselves

China should be on its knees expressing remorse for the virus that emanated from its shores and infected the entire world.

But that is not what they did. The Trump administration claims that, rather than groveling for forgiveness that they do not deserve, they hoarded personal protective equipment.

These are the things like N95 masks that American hospitals desperately need but which China stopped American companies with factories on its soil from exporting, the New York Post reported.

A senior White House official said the measures were part of a play by China to “corner the world market” on PPE.

Now the Trump administration is considering working “through the United Nations” or lodging a complaint with the European Court of Human Rights.

“In criminal law, compare this to the levels that we have for murder,” Trump campaign senior legal adviser Jenna Ellis said.

“People are dying. When you have intentional, cold-blooded, premeditated action like you have with China, this would be considered first-degree murder.”

The White House was informed by executives from 3M and Honeywell that China had started blocking the export of booties, gloves, N95 respirators and other PPE in January.

Simultaneously, the regime imported nearly 2.5 billion pieces of “epidemic prevention and control materials” from Jan. 24 to Feb. 29.

“Data from China’s own customs agency points to an attempt to corner the world market in PPE like gloves, goggles, and masks through massive increased purchases — even as China, the world’s largest PPE manufacturer, was restricting exports,” the White House official said.

Faced with a shortage of masks, President Donald Trump used the Defense Production Act to force 3M to make N95 respirator masks for the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

That had to be done because China was hoarding the supplies, according to U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission founding member Michael Wessell.

“We understand that China has engaged in policies to try and not only develop its own capabilities, but to do so at expense of producers around the world,” Wessell said.

“At a time when demand was rising to deal with the crisis, China was marshaling all of the products for its own use,” he added.

“Some of China’s actions are probably illegal, but to bring cases when you’re in the middle of the crisis does little good for the patients who are in the hospital on ventilators — and might not have been there had they had access to PPE.”

Wessell is correct, but the broader point to keep in mind is that this is the status quo when you deal with communists.

If you choose to manufacture in a communist nation, you should never believe that you have control of your product.

Communism has no room for the individual. Everything is done for the state.

It is time that these American companies take notice and consider bringing their manufacturing back home to create American jobs and protect our nation’s security.

Never again should the well-being of our citizens be at the mercy of a nation that is not our friend.


https://www.westernjournal.com/us-firms-tried-get-med-equipment-china-chinese-kept/


Bit like America keeping the locally made masks in US hands.
We had Chinese based companies sending bulk supplies (masks, gloves etc) out of Australia, otherwise bought on the open market. I don't know the extent but our government put a stop to that. We've always had a problem with baby formula being bulk bought here and sent to China but the government never seem to do much about that.
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
My understanding is that Americans don't own their companies in chinksville, they are partnerships. As such the products they produce belongs to the chinese.


There are no such things as private property rights in China.

The company I work for spent half a billion dollars building a large facility in China. It was understood from the get go that they do not own it, the Chinese government does. If something is physically located in China, whether it's a building, medical equipment, medical supplies, or YOU then the Chinese government will take it if they want to and there is absolutely nothing that you can do about it other than beg for it back.

That's just the way communism works. If they weren't that way then they wouldn't be communist.
And yet 3M is still exporting PPE, such a strong and fine American company.
Remember when Commies were bad?
Question is, did they do this because they wanted to use the equipment, or wanted to keep us from using it.
The entire transitioning of manufacturing to China was simply an ostensible means to get our trade into their hands.
Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
My understanding is that Americans don't own their companies in chinksville, they are partnerships. As such the products they produce belongs to the chinese.


There are no such things as private property rights in China.

The company I work for spent half a billion dollars building a large facility in China. It was understood from the get go that they do not own it, the Chinese government does. If something is physically located in China, whether it's a building, medical equipment, medical supplies, or YOU then the Chinese government will take it if they want to and there is absolutely nothing that you can do about it other than beg for it back.

That's just the way communism works. If they weren't that way then they wouldn't be communist.

Thanks for the info.
The son of a friend of mine is a robotics technician that made frequent trips to an auto parts manufacturing facility in chinksville. I've heard of the problems he's encountered dealing with them. My son was a manufacturing process engineer for a company that produces medical equipment and components for joint replacement parts. The company is in direct competition with chinese manufacturers. They have a good clientele list of doctors who demand stuff be made in the U.S. due to the poor quality of chinksville manufactured surgical equipment.
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