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One thing that has been pretty common the last few days is that Democratic Mayors and Governors have allowed the savages to destroy and steal property without penalty. The agreement that government will protect its citizens has grossly failed. One thing that I have found out overseas, is that humans need, and will find security. This is why ISIS was able to take over so much real estate so quickly. The Sunni populace felt that they could receive protection from ISIS, so they looked the other way on their tactics.

That got me to thinking. With the government failing so miserably in these Democrat cities,... who will the law abiding citizens do to create the security that they need?

The only thing I see is civilian militias. Thoughts?

I don't see it happening, for the most part, in the core metro city areas; wrong make up of people.

MM
Another option is mass migration from cities with large populations of minorities.
If the Antifa's go into the suburbs, I believe neighbors will work in cooperation for their collective security.

That's a citizen militia in the most basic sense.
“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
If the Antifa's go into the suburbs, I believe neighbors will work in cooperation for their collective security.

That's a citizen militia in the most basic sense.


Yep.
Originally Posted by RAS
Another option is mass migration from cities with large populations of minorities.


That has been happening for years. It is exactly why Boise went from being a fantastic small town where people left their doors unlocked and keys in their ignitions, to a place where literally a 1/2 million people from places like California, Seattle and Portland all flooded in from and ruined it. It is also why so many people who grew up in the valley left and never returned.

Boise City is now a leftist run city with a Democrat for a Mayor who was born in Boston. She is no friend to conservatives, Idahoans or Idaho values.

Now shootings, and crime are a common occurrence in Boise.
I'm not saddling up to drive 70 miles to Denver or Boulder to protect a bunch of people who brought this on themselves with their voting and political views.

If any of this chit made it's way to Loveland, Co, and especially if we were to ever see this chit in my little cul-de-sac with me and my neighbors, it'd be a whole different story. But that is extremely unlikely.

I am a patriot, but my loyalties lie with my family (1), and like minded individuals (2), if we are talking about domestic thugs.

If the conversation is about foreign invasion, I'd have any American's back.

I'd like to think none of this would happen in my lifetime though. (prepared if it does, however)
Good folks will organize/mobilize quickly if the filth heads outside the city limits.
Most people in KY will be cheering if Louisville gets leveled and turned into a parking lot. I can't see any militias forming for it.

Lexington, though, might get some help if Rupp Arena or the Sam's Club is threatened...
A lot of militias exist but not in democrat run cities.
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
If the Antifa's go into the suburbs, I believe neighbors will work in cooperation for their collective security.

That's a citizen militia in the most basic sense.



And they’ll prosecute those defending their homes while the Antifa's will go untouched.
Originally Posted by tpcollins
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
If the Antifa's go into the suburbs, I believe neighbors will work in cooperation for their collective security.

That's a citizen militia in the most basic sense.



And they’ll prosecute those defending their homes while the Antifa's will go untouched.



That would depend on locale. Michigan, with your governor, most certainly. I wouldn't want to look at a rioter cross eyed in Minnesota.
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
If the Antifa's go into the suburbs, I believe neighbors will work in cooperation for their collective security.

That's a citizen militia in the most basic sense.

The downside of this sort of thinking is the 'burbs are where the libs, dims, progressive, socialists are living. For the most part, these people think the rioters and looters are righting wrongs. These are the people who want to remove the Second Amendment, collect all of the firearms at whatever cost in lives it takes.
Originally Posted by RemModel8
Originally Posted by tpcollins
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
If the Antifa's go into the suburbs, I believe neighbors will work in cooperation for their collective security.

That's a citizen militia in the most basic sense.



And they’ll prosecute those defending their homes while the Antifa's will go untouched.



That would depend on locale. Michigan, with your governor, most certainly. I wouldn't want to look at a rioter cross eyed in Minnesota.


Not going to happen in Michigan regardless of what the b!tch half-whit thinks.
Expect military rule soon, followed by dictatorship. Paul Harvey called it long ago.
The riots will burn themselves out, half of em ain’t even Black. Those on public assistance will exhaust their limited resources and collapse under the same level of disfunctionalism that got em where they are in the first place.

For the bored Millenial generation, this is the “cool” event of the year, Renegade has it right, they’ll go back to their parents house and post videos.

I do believe President Trump is missing a critical opportunity, even given a hostile MSM. He oughtta be out there in front of the cameras mouthing the appropriate platitudes ie “I understand the rage (even tho we know “rage” has little to do with it) gotta take action against the looting”.

I believe he is leading, but with a critical election coming up he’s gotta LOOK like he is. Heck if I were him my first stop would be Minneapolis, right now.
Trump is making a calculated move.


This might have secured him re-election.
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
The riots will burn themselves out, half of em ain’t even Black. Those on public assistance will exhaust their limited resources and collapse under the same level of disfunctionalism that got em where they are in the first place.

For the bored Millenial generation, this is the “cool” event of the year, Renegade has it right, they’ll go back to their parents house and post videos.

I do believe President Trump is missing a critical opportunity, even given a hostile MSM. He oughtta be out there in front of the cameras mouthing the appropriate platitudes ie “I understand the rage (even tho we know “rage” has little to do with it) gotta take action against the looting”.

I believe he is leading, but with a critical election coming up he’s gotta LOOK like he is. Heck if I were him my first stop would be Minneapolis, right now.


All good points, but he isn't that bright nor that interested. Besides, he has this election in his pocket, no matter what happens with the vote.
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
The riots will burn themselves out, half of em ain’t even Black. Those on public assistance will exhaust their limited resources and collapse under the same level of disfunctionalism that got em where they are in the first place.

For the bored Millenial generation, this is the “cool” event of the year, Renegade has it right, they’ll go back to their parents house and post videos.

I do believe President Trump is missing a critical opportunity, even given a hostile MSM. He oughtta be out there in front of the cameras mouthing the appropriate platitudes ie “I understand the rage (even tho we know “rage” has little to do with it) gotta take action against the looting”.

I believe he is leading, but with a critical election coming up he’s gotta LOOK like he is. Heck if I were him my first stop would be Minneapolis, right now.


And my second stop would be a well-prepared television address to the nation.
Originally Posted by agazain
Expect military rule soon, followed by dictatorship. Paul Harvey called it long ago.


I have no doubt that Trump is working towards that end, but old and fat as he is, I don't think he's quite capable of pulling that off himself. Might work for Jared however.
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
The riots will burn themselves out, half of em ain’t even Black. Those on public assistance will exhaust their limited resources and collapse under the same level of disfunctionalism that got em where they are in the first place.

For the bored Millenial generation, this is the “cool” event of the year, Renegade has it right, they’ll go back to their parents house and post videos.

I do believe President Trump is missing a critical opportunity, even given a hostile MSM. He oughtta be out there in front of the cameras mouthing the appropriate platitudes ie “I understand the rage (even tho we know “rage” has little to do with it) gotta take action against the looting”.

I believe he is leading, but with a critical election coming up he’s gotta LOOK like he is. Heck if I were him my first stop would be Minneapolis, right now.


And my second stop would be a well-prepared television address to the nation.


"well prepared?" that's asking rather a lot of the geezer, don't you think?
He and Melania could be up there chanting and throwing bricks every night with the antifa crowd, and he still wouldn't pull enough votes out of the major American cities to carry any of those precincts.

They were never gonna vote for him before this mess anyway. If I was him, I'd shrug my shoulders and say Fug 'em. But that's just me, I could be wrong.
Supposedly, here in backwater Spokane, a group of men were seen loading weapons and walking toward the riots and looting taking place here. The local NBC station made sure that he told everyone that they "had Proud Boys tattooed on their forearms." Good people are getting pushed to their limits - the protesters have gotten that they are demanding, with the exception of having the Minneapolis cop lynched, so why are they protesting?
Originally Posted by LeroyBeans
Originally Posted by agazain
Expect military rule soon, followed by dictatorship. Paul Harvey called it long ago.


I have no doubt that Trump is working towards that end, but old and fat as he is, I don't think he's quite capable of pulling that off himself. Might work for Jared however.



You are absolutely clueless. The risk of totalitarian rule is not coming from the right here.
recliner/chips&dips
Originally Posted by TnBigBore
Originally Posted by LeroyBeans
Originally Posted by agazain
Expect military rule soon, followed by dictatorship. Paul Harvey called it long ago.


I have no doubt that Trump is working towards that end, but old and fat as he is, I don't think he's quite capable of pulling that off himself. Might work for Jared however.



You are absolutely clueless. The risk of totalitarian rule is not coming from the right here.


Absolutely it is, but in this, I think Trump will fail. But it may be a bit closer than it should be.
Originally Posted by tpcollins
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
If the Antifa's go into the suburbs, I believe neighbors will work in cooperation for their collective security.

That's a citizen militia in the most basic sense.



And they’ll prosecute those defending their homes while the Antifa's will go untouched.


+1

...and I'll add to that by saying that the citizen militias would immediately be labeled domestic terrorist groups and members prosecuted as such, while any member of ANTIFA would not so much as receive a citation.

The rule of law is dead in this country.

Until we begin to try, convict, and without delay, publicly execute folks for treason and sedition in this country, including many of the politicians currently in federal, state, and local offices, this Bolshevik Revolution will be successful. We need to make being a socialist and/or a communist a crime against the common good, and strictly enforce it.

Senator Joseph McCarthey was right.
Originally Posted by J23
Originally Posted by tpcollins
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
If the Antifa's go into the suburbs, I believe neighbors will work in cooperation for their collective security.

That's a citizen militia in the most basic sense.



And they’ll prosecute those defending their homes while the Antifa's will go untouched.


+1

...and I'll add to that by saying that the citizen militias would immediately be labeled domestic terrorist groups and members prosecuted as such, while any member of ANTIFA would not so much as receive a citation.

The rule of law is dead in this country.

Until we begin to try, convict, and without delay, publicly execute folks for treason and sedition in this country, including many of the politicians currently in federal, state, and local offices, this Bolshevik Revolution will be successful. We need to make being a socialist and/or a communist a crime against the common good, and strictly enforce it.


So, back to the days of vigilantes and late night lynchings, etc. You ever notice those guys never came out on the good-guy side in all those Hollywood movies. But what the hell, this is the real world, where might is right and Ef The Constitution.


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Senator Joseph McCarthey was right.


Joe McCarthey (sic) was never right. That you would say otherwise is another telling, fascist benchmark for 24hrfascism.
Originally Posted by LeroyBeans


I have no doubt that Trump is working towards that end, but old and fat as he is, I don't think he's quite capable of pulling that off himself.



Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

"well prepared?" that's asking rather a lot of the geezer, don't you think?


So LeRoy exposes the Left's latest personal attack on Trump. First they tried misogynist and that didn't fly, then mentally unsound, which with Biden really afflicted they had to back off that. Now they are going with "Old and fat". I gotta laugh that Nancy Pelosi unveiled this with her "morbidly obese" shot. Really? Talk about leaving the door open. How about a few Nancy jokes about alcoholism, plastic surgery, incoherent speech of a stroke victim, and the Marie Antoinette home interview?
Hell, the Michigan Militia was one of the biggest, well trained, & over zealous in the east, possibly the nation. Where are they now? Laying low perhaps?

They could have lost interest & be a thing of the past, for at one time it was reported that they were constantly being infiltrated &/or harassed by the law.
Originally Posted by LeroyBeans
Originally Posted by J23
Originally Posted by tpcollins
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
If the Antifa's go into the suburbs, I believe neighbors will work in cooperation for their collective security.

That's a citizen militia in the most basic sense.



And they’ll prosecute those defending their homes while the Antifa's will go untouched.


+1

...and I'll add to that by saying that the citizen militias would immediately be labeled domestic terrorist groups and members prosecuted as such, while any member of ANTIFA would not so much as receive a citation.

The rule of law is dead in this country.

Until we begin to try, convict, and without delay, publicly execute folks for treason and sedition in this country, including many of the politicians currently in federal, state, and local offices, this Bolshevik Revolution will be successful. We need to make being a socialist and/or a communist a crime against the common good, and strictly enforce it.


So, back to the days of vigilantes and late night lynchings, etc. You ever notice those guys never came out on the good-guy side in all those Hollywood movies. But what the hell, this is the real world, where might is right and Ef The Constitution.


Quote
Senator Joseph McCarthey was right.


Joe McCarthey (sic) was never right. That you would say otherwise is another telling, fascist benchmark for 24hrfascism.




Son, you have it entirely backwards. These mobs are the lynchers, they are the ones who have no respect for individuals and private property. I hope you get it figured out, before it's too late.
If we’re gonna form militias, we ought to put them on the Texas borders to keep out all the white liberals running from California and other blue states.
"That has been happening for years. It is exactly why Boise went from being a fantastic small town where people left their doors unlocked and keys in their ignitions, to a place where literally a 1/2 million people from places like California, Seattle and Portland all flooded in from and ruined it. It is also why so many people who grew up in the valley left and never returned.
Boise City is now a leftist run city with a Democrat for a Mayor who was born in Boston. She is no friend to conservatives, Idahoans or Idaho values.
Now shootings, and crime are a common occurrence in Boise."



I lived in Newport Washington for 8 months, back in the seventies. Just across the Pend Orielle River from Idaho and I spent a lot of time in Idaho.
I remember seeing so many bumper stickers, "DON'T CALIFORNICATE IDAHO."

And they meant it. People who moved up to that area from California, if they rode around with California plates for even a week they got their windows broken or tires slashed. I was from Georgia, I was OK.

I guess the guerrilla movement against Californication didn't work.
Originally Posted by gunzo
Hell, the Michigan Militia was one of the biggest, well trained, & over zealous in the east, possibly the nation. Where are they now? Laying low perhaps?

They could have lost interest & be a thing of the past, for at one time it was reported that they were constantly being infiltrated &/or harassed by the law.

Ya... that's it.
Trust me, there have long been groups who recognize the possible need for mutual assistance. If they are prudent, they are pretty circumspect about it.
Originally Posted by J23
Originally Posted by tpcollins
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
If the Antifa's go into the suburbs, I believe neighbors will work in cooperation for their collective security.

That's a citizen militia in the most basic sense.



And they’ll prosecute those defending their homes while the Antifa's will go untouched.


+1

...and I'll add to that by saying that the citizen militias would immediately be labeled domestic terrorist groups and members prosecuted as such, while any member of ANTIFA would not so much as receive a citation.

The rule of law is dead in this country.

Until we begin to try, convict, and without delay, publicly execute folks for treason and sedition in this country, including many of the politicians currently in federal, state, and local offices, this Bolshevik Revolution will be successful. We need to make being a socialist and/or a communist a crime against the common good, and strictly enforce it.

Senator Joseph McCarthey was right.


This is the type of militia I refer to. This is a citizen militia. The unorganized citizen militia.

[Linked Image from i1.wp.com]

These are the homeowners who will defend their homes and loved ones when anarchists come into residential neighborhoods with their bricks and Molotov cocktails.
Originally Posted by auk1124
Most people in KY will be cheering if Louisville gets leveled and turned into a parking lot. I can't see any militias forming for it.

Lexington, though, might get some help if Rupp Arena or the Sam's Club is threatened...



That would leave Mayor Fischer plenty of room for his damned bicycle lanes, wouldn't it? I agree, I doubt anyone would much GAS if Louisville was burned down to the dirt..
Add Nashville, and definitely Memphis to the list of potential BBQ parties! "Urban Renewal" starts with a 5 gallon can of Diesel fuel and a railroad flare. Better than gasoline- - - - -it burns hotter and it's harder to put out!
Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Add Nashville, and definitely Memphis to the list of potential BBQ parties! "Urban Renewal" starts with a 5 gallon can of Diesel fuel and a railroad flare. Better than gasoline- - - - -it burns hotter and it's harder to put out!



Memphis has been pretty quiet, likely not enough WHITE SJW's there. Sorry, I know that will cause Manlicker to call me a liberal.
I sense a feeling of empowerment among these white Antifa rioters, and their black inner city partners. They have taken over one city after another, with few arrests and few repercussions. Like that actress gal who was married to Clint Eastwood said the other day, "If they want a race war we will give them one. And we will win."

Well, these rioter boys are going to be in for a sad surprise if they move out into the suburbs, or God Forbid out into the countryside.
They will find a well armed population that won't take their crap even for a minute. They will find that they are outnumbered and outgunned.
Originally Posted by RAS
One thing that has been pretty common the last few days is that Democratic Mayors and Governors have allowed the savages to destroy and steal property without penalty. The agreement that government will protect its citizens has grossly failed. One thing that I have found out overseas, is that humans need, and will find security. This is why ISIS was able to take over so much real estate so quickly. The Sunni populace felt that they could receive protection from ISIS, so they looked the other way on their tactics.

That got me to thinking. With the government failing so miserably in these Democrat cities,... who will the law abiding citizens do to create the security that they need?

The only thing I see is civilian militias. Thoughts?


The bad guys arrived in Klamath Falls, Oregon. They were turned away from their maliciousness by the armed locals. Hopefully this will make the national news and encourage others to save their own towns and cities.
I can't believe the number of eunuchs in Minnesota. Actually I can.
Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by RAS
One thing that has been pretty common the last few days is that Democratic Mayors and Governors have allowed the savages to destroy and steal property without penalty. The agreement that government will protect its citizens has grossly failed. One thing that I have found out overseas, is that humans need, and will find security. This is why ISIS was able to take over so much real estate so quickly. The Sunni populace felt that they could receive protection from ISIS, so they looked the other way on their tactics.

That got me to thinking. With the government failing so miserably in these Democrat cities,... who will the law abiding citizens do to create the security that they need?

The only thing I see is civilian militias. Thoughts?


The bad guys arrived in Klamath Falls, Oregon. They were turned away from their maliciousness by the armed locals. Hopefully this will make the national news and encourage others to save their own towns and cities.


I kind of expect to see a groundswell of citizens providing for their own security.

Everyone expected some level of rioting after this incident in MN, but things are now gone way beyond.

People are seeing that the LE are being restricted by the mayors, and the police will not come to help.

This is a 2A moment in our history.
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by RAS
One thing that has been pretty common the last few days is that Democratic Mayors and Governors have allowed the savages to destroy and steal property without penalty. The agreement that government will protect its citizens has grossly failed. One thing that I have found out overseas, is that humans need, and will find security. This is why ISIS was able to take over so much real estate so quickly. The Sunni populace felt that they could receive protection from ISIS, so they looked the other way on their tactics.

That got me to thinking. With the government failing so miserably in these Democrat cities,... who will the law abiding citizens do to create the security that they need?

The only thing I see is civilian militias. Thoughts?


The bad guys arrived in Klamath Falls, Oregon. They were turned away from their maliciousness by the armed locals. Hopefully this will make the national news and encourage others to save their own towns and cities.


I kind of expect to see a groundswell of citizens providing for their own security.

Everyone expected some level of rioting after this incident in MN, but things are now gone well beyond.

People are seeing that the LE are being restricted by the mayors, and the police will not come to help.

This is a 2A moment in our history.


Unfortunately, the government will let people fry for protecting their home and family. They obviously don't care to protect it and have allowed it to carry on. You don't think they won't come after people for protecting themselves and property? That of course shouldn't stop anyone, but if you look at Minnesota, it apparently has. Of course they are about the most liberal [bleep] state that I can think of.
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Originally Posted by J23
Originally Posted by tpcollins
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
If the Antifa's go into the suburbs, I believe neighbors will work in cooperation for their collective security.

That's a citizen militia in the most basic sense.


And they’ll prosecute those defending their homes while the Antifa's will go untouched.


+1

...and I'll add to that by saying that the citizen militias would immediately be labeled domestic terrorist groups and members prosecuted as such, while any member of ANTIFA would not so much as receive a citation.

The rule of law is dead in this country.

Until we begin to try, convict, and without delay, publicly execute folks for treason and sedition in this country, including many of the politicians currently in federal, state, and local offices, this Bolshevik Revolution will be successful. We need to make being a socialist and/or a communist a crime against the common good, and strictly enforce it.

Senator Joseph McCarthey was right.


This is the type of militia I refer to. This is a citizen militia. The unorganized citizen militia.

[Linked Image from i1.wp.com]

These are the homeowners who will defend their homes and loved ones when anarchists come into residential neighborhoods with their bricks and Molotov cocktails.


I sure wish I had saved that pic of Terry Lee, and I don't mean the one of his cat.

And yes, old Joe was spot on with his concern over the Commies Infiltrating the USA, on Stalin's dime. We would not be where we are today if Joe could have gotten the subversives rooted out of the media, and our Ivy League universities.
Joe was right.
Decades later, it was revealed just how many communists were
active in the US.

2 small cities and I town within 40 miles of here had protests yesterday.
Signs, yelling, marching.

Just good old American protests.
Even in Cumberland Md!

In Holidaysburg, people were standing along the sidewalk armed
to the teeth. No problems. Wise move. Those are rich rednecks,
doctors, lawyers, Indian chiefs... they have guns, influence, insurance!

I heard there is a recruitment call for protesters tomorrow.
Dam shame that.
These kids that are justifiably protesting a police misdeeds
might find themselves the pawns in a much bigger game.
If the shooting starts, they will be the ones on the ground.
The instigators will be driving out of town.

For the most part the rioters keep their activities in the business districts and most of their mayhem is done at night.

I think we're still a long way from the violence reaching into residential areas,..at least is many residential areas.

People will get shot in residential areas. People start to get very nervous if a mob forms in their front yard,..and one 30 round mag can make a mess of a mob very quickly.

Those riot knotheads aren't Rhodes Scholars, but they know where they can go and where they can't.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
For the most part the rioters keep their activities in the business districts and most of their mayhem is done at night.

I think we're still a long way from the violence reaching into residential areas,..at least is many residential areas.

People will get shot in residential areas. People start to get very nervous if a mob forms in their front yard,..and one 30 round mag can make a mess of a mob very quickly.

Those riot knotheads aren't Rhodes Scholars, but they know where they can go and where they can't.



Exactly. I suspect they have a little "orientation class" for these rent a riot idiots before their first rodeo and mansplain to them how not to get killed.

Is it any wonder why the left wants to disarm America so badly? We would all be at their mercy, fighting these mobs with garden tools like in Braveheart.
Bristoe's right and the reason, "so far" one of these hasn't spread to residential areas.

What is going on & what has happened in the past is one issue. "If" these things were to spread & go there, we have definitely got a whole new ball game on our hands. THAT, would be serious IMO.
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
I don't see it happening, for the most part, in the core metro city areas; wrong make up of people.

MM

This. But try burning down a business or house( mine included) in small town montana, and the protesters will be shot. Different breed of people. A good percentage of country people won't be pushed.
'"A good percentage of country people won't be pushed"

Some folks don't even have an inkling, much less a clue of what that statement says.
I don't see it happening, there is a standard here. Animal mobs destroy and burn and the government stands by. If real citizens were to organize citizens' militias and confront the rioters, it would be all out war, and who do you think the government will be fighting against then?
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