That further confirms that his behavior was resistive, not assaultive.

That further confirms that his behavior was resistive, not assaultive.

That further confirms that his behavior was resistive, not assaultive.

Definitely a death sentence offense, the fine upstanding officer had every possible reason to kill that man can't ya see that?

Ridiculous. There's no reason to suggest he intended to cause permanent harm, let alone death. He employed a control tactic after multiple failed efforts to secure him in the squad car. They were waiting for someone to come, either EMS, a larger vehicle that would be easier to force him into, or both, and he needed to be kept from running off till that arrived. They had been exhausted in their efforts to get him in the car, and couldn't keep fighting with him. The alternative to what he did was to let him run off. Cops aren't superhuman, and cannot continue to struggle with a huge, powerful, guy like that, ramped up with drugs as he was, indefinitely.

[ The alternative to what he did was to let him run off.

Imagine, if Floyd would have just "obeyed a lawful command"

I think you mean THIS video doesn’t show assaultive behavior on the part of Floyd.

And what does that matter?

Ridiculous. There's no reason to suggest he intended to cause permanent harm, let alone death. He employed a control tactic after multiple failed efforts to secure him in the squad car. They were waiting for someone to come, either EMS, a larger vehicle that would be easier to force him into, or both, and he needed to be kept from running off till that arrived. They had been exhausted in their efforts to get him in the car, and couldn't keep fighting with him. The alternative to what he did was to let him run off. Cops aren't superhuman, and cannot continue to struggle with a huge, powerful, guy like that, ramped up with drugs as he was, indefinitely.

Funny, you couldn’t see his halo in that clip.

Imagine, if Floyd would have just "obeyed a lawful command"

Not sure about the LEOs there, but in many places they have "zip tie" restraints in their vehicles (some on their person??).

I mentioned it in a post last week or so...............why not "hog tie" him. Couple of those restraints around his ankles, and guess what...................no running off.

and no need to kneel on a neck. 4 officers there, one big fella. Tie his ass up like a steer and be done with it until help arrives.


Of course, maybe our 'fire LEOs can chime in, for all I know some court somewhere has determined restraining a suspect's ankles is now against the law.

Was the officer trained that the technique he used was appropriate for cuffed resistive subjects who are not assaultive?

What if they didn't have zip ties long enough for his ankles?

What If the moon was made of cheese?

Zip ties are cheap and plentiful. What if we just dismiss all better solutions?

So, if I'm understanding you, their not having zip ties long enough for his ankles mean that it was murder??

What if they didn't have zip ties long enough for his ankles?

One can put two together to make them longer.

If no zip ties, not a single one of them had some paracord bracelet or other tacticool doo dad with them? Or even a piece of rope in the car. Tow strap? Jacket?

Isn't a person's threat to an officer something courts consider when determining the legality of the officer's use of force?

More emotional reasoning from you.

Do the autopsy results mean anything?

Was the officer trained that the technique he used was appropriate for cuffed resistive subjects who are not assaultive?

It's the polar opposite of emotional. I am asking that the officer's behavior be examined against an objective standard.

Oops, I forgot the duct tape too.

But as I said, perhaps in some (many??) locations it's unacceptable to restrain a suspect that way. I mean, it is rather undignified.

Of course it is.

As are about a bajillion other GRAHAM factors.

None of which you or I know.

Do you know why the officers in the Rodney King video were acquitted?

That will come out in the trial.

I can tell you that many, many, many LEO’s are taught to use that technique to restrain active resistant suspects.

That further confirms that his behavior was resistive, not assaultive.

I cannot say that I do. Generally the video we say was missing relevant context. I always assumed that when the officer's action was examined against the law that their actions were deemed just.

Imagine, if Floyd would have just "obeyed a lawful command"

There were two main reasons:

1.) The jury saw video that the rest of the United States wasn't allowed to
2.) The defense demonstrated that the officers used the PR-24 as they were trained

Now with that in mind, please watch this short video from last Tuesday.

Let me know when the light bulb comes on:

What a trollish reply. Did I say that? No, I didn't - and your feeble attempt to read my mind is a bad look. You clearly do not understand me, and are not trying very hard.

"What ifs" are a stupid waste of time. That's what I'm saying.

Speaking of stupid....hobbling the police so they lack better options is stupid. That's not a remark on what was done - it's a remark on what could have been done better if they were allowed.

That was well done.

One can put two together to make them longer.

If no zip ties, not a single one of them had some paracord bracelet or other tacticool doo dad with them? Or even a piece of rope in the car. Tow strap? Jacket?

You're the one pulling the what-ifs, not me. Your what if is, what if he had long enough zip ties to tie his feet together. I'm suggesting that they may not have. I.e., I'm countering your what if. Do you have any evidence that they had such zip ties?

There were two main reasons:

1.) The jury saw video that the rest of the United States wasn't allowed to
2.) The defense demonstrated that the officers used the PR-24 as they were trained

Now with that in mind, please watch this short video from last Tuesday.

Let me know when the light bulb comes on:

Them boys is a looooong ways from Minnesota.

But something sure looks familiar, doesn't it?

Ho Lee Shixt. They have a car. How hard would it be to have giant zip ties in the car? How expensive? I got three foot long zip ties hangin' in my garage. Didn't have to look hard to get them.

PS Zip ties, if one knows the technique, can be broken when placed on the wrist. The ones designed for the wrist, joined together for sufficient length for ankles, would likely be nearly useless on the ankles of a guy this size and strength, hopped up on drugs.

There you go playing the what if game again.

I think my bulb has a faulty ballast.

That I can't fix.

Little do you know! I suffer a certain density in net conversations that I don't in F2F.

Apparently, the technique used by officer Chauvin was legal at the time Floyd was arrested. He's likely to get off and also his job back.

BTW I don't think there was anything particularly racial about this. Just a sad coincidence that the suspect was black, and the officer was white.

It's at 1:02.

If that helps.

It's at 1:02.

If that helps.

There were two main reasons:

1.) The jury saw video that the rest of the United States wasn't allowed to
2.) The defense demonstrated that the officers used the PR-24 as they were trained

Now with that in mind, please watch this short video from last Tuesday.

Let me know when the light bulb comes on:

I saw them do that to gain control and compliance. It was released at that point.

Those Cops deployed their police cruisers remarkably well given how many there were and how suddenly the chase was over, didn't see any Cops almost get hit getting out of their vehicles either. Is that something they also train for?

Beyond that, the pressure appeared to be in between the shoulder blades. We were taught to use that. We were never taught to apply pressure to the neck. I am not arguing that it is not being taught now, but Chauvin was apply pressure to the back with one leg/knee and the neck with the other. That is not what was shown in the Jeep video.

A momentary knee on the neck to cuff someone. What's your point?

Of course it wasn't racial. There is zero basis for anyone to suggest that it is. The MSM, and the forces (which dominate it) seeking the downfall of the Christian West, will seize upon any excuse to make a White on black encounter between cops and a suspect into a matter of White racism.

You’re not very good at this either.

That further confirms that his behavior was resistive, not assaultive.

You have a tendency to be cryptic rather than just coming out and making your point. How about just doing the latter rather than leaving us all in suspense. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying I'm not sure you've clearly made the point you meant to make to begin with.

He’s trying to make you think for yourself. Instead of being spoon fed information.. the point being made every police academy across this country teaches that technique..

So the Rodney King case was as I suspected. The jury saw what we couldn't, and the officer's actions were examined against the law, policy and training.

I think my bulb has a faulty ballast.

A guy in California suggests duct tape and rope to subdue Floyd. TFF

Was there room in the trunk?

A guy in California suggests duct tape and rope to subdue Floyd. TFF

Ridiculous. There's no reason to suggest he intended to cause permanent harm, let alone death. He employed a control tactic after multiple failed efforts to secure him in the squad car. They were waiting for someone to come, either EMS, a larger vehicle that would be easier to force him into, or both, and he needed to be kept from running off till that arrived. They had been exhausted in their efforts to get him in the car, and couldn't keep fighting with him. The alternative to what he did was to let him run off. Cops aren't superhuman, and cannot continue to struggle with a huge, powerful, guy like that, ramped up with drugs as he was, indefinitely.

What is abundantly clear is that few people in this country have ever had to go hands on w/ a large strong person determined not to submit. Most just call the cops.


mike r

More emotional reasoning from you.

Do the autopsy results mean anything?

I can't see his grandma's gallon of milk in that video. Or his Saint Christopher's medal.

And zip ties. Don't forget zip ties. We hold freight trains together with 'em. Seriously.

Tape is too awkward and no one knows how to tie knots these days.

Yep, the ditty bastard was still likely to jump up and run away, even after they had compressed the Oxygen out of his lungs to the point that his body had ceased any attempt to breath, nor his heart to beat.

Would I be responsible for the death of your dog, if all I did was stand on his chest for nine minutes and he became unresponsive? How about if it was an evil BLACK dog? Even a very large and scary BLACK dog?

Hey Mike,

an honest question.

Where you worked (civilian) would you have been allowed, in recent years, to restrain the suspects legs once handcuffed and still resisting or making actions one could assumed meant he was attempting to escape.

Zip tie restraints, rope, shackles if available, duct tape, whatever you could use without causing injury to the suspect.

Once a suspect is on the ground, held by a couple or three officer, could a 4th officer go get something to restrain the suspect's legs and therefor pretty much put a stop to any attempt to flee custody?

No offense, but this is a stupid question and I don't understand why it keeps being asked.

Restraints are not needed when you have the manpower to hold a person down. In this case it is pretty clear that the ambulance is on its way from the time that original video begins. The fourth cop is doing what he's supposed to do and that's keeping the dumb fugks at bay while the others hold down Gentle George.

Even if the restraints were available they don't resolve the issue that they were most likely having with their suspect. I'm sure they had a rough ETA and knew there would be a gurney and straps available if his lack of compliance continued.

Easy to Monday morning quarterback. You weren't there, exhausted from a long physical struggle with a huge, powerful, arrest resisting suspect with a known, long, violent, rap sheet, just hoping you can keep the guy restrained long enough for help to arrive.

PS Zip ties, if one knows the technique, can be broken when placed on the wrist. The ones designed for the wrist, joined together for sufficient length for ankles, would likely be nearly useless on the ankles of a guy this size and strength, hopped up on drugs.

There were two main reasons:

1.) The jury saw video that the rest of the United States wasn't allowed to
2.) The defense demonstrated that the officers used the PR-24 as they were trained

Now with that in mind, please watch this short video from last Tuesday.

Let me know when the light bulb comes on:

The point being made every police academy across this country teaches that technique..

I thought we had long since established that.

No offense, but this is a stupid question and I don't understand why it keeps being asked.

Restraints are not needed when you have the manpower to hold a person down. In this case it is pretty clear that the ambulance is on its way from the time that original video begins. The fourth cop is doing what he's supposed to do and that's keeping the dumb fugks at bay while the others hold down Gentle George.

Even if the restraints were available they don't resolve the issue that they were most likely having with their suspect. I'm sure they had a rough ETA and knew there would be a gurney and straps available if his lack of compliance continued.

Apparently not for you.....

that went over your head

You sound just like the idiots in Seattle right now.

Yes.

Stopping a car when your co-worker is in front of it is something they train for.

As I said from the start, what the officer did, leaning his knee on his neck, was a last resort to hold him down, after failed efforts to get him in the back seat due to vigorous resistance. They didn't have the option of just letting him go. This was all Floyd's doing. He's responsible for his own death.

No,I have nothing in common with anyone in Seattle. All the parts about "black" are for TRH and his ilk who revel at any injustice, as long as the victim is black.

Injustice is injustice, no matter the race of the perp or the victim.

I thought we had long since established that.

That is an excellent example of minimal force necessary to take a suspect into custody. If he had died in the rollover? So be it! He should have stopped the car.

I'm going to go out on a limb here with this, we can all agree that the man was handcuffed , in leg restraints, and face down on the street . Now if the police had all stood up, and stepped back, I'm willing to bet that , that good ole boy George, would have laid there like a bad check !

The only danger I see is that he could have rolled himself into traffic and got himself killed, God forbid if that had happened !

Travis, If a person could be restrained without the officers having to be involved, in other words 'hog tied", then why not use that method until the bambalance arrives?

If manpower restraint is resolving "the issue that they were most likely having with their suspect", then why wouldn't a physical restraint accomplish the same, then 4 cops would be available to keep the dumb fugks at bay.

And no question is "Stoopid".

It keeps getting asked because Inquiring Minds Want to Know.

Not sure if that was sarcasm or not, but that open fan shaped pattern also leaves lots of cover if the perp comes out shooting, like that guy who hijacked a UPS truck a few months back.

Interesting.

Why was he being pursued?

No,I have nothing in common with anyone in Seattle. All the parts about "black" are for TRH and his ilk who revel at any injustice, as long as the victim is black.

Injustice is injustice, no matter the race of the perp or the victim.

No idea. Don't care. At the first sight of blue lights, an intelligent person slows down and pulls over at the first place available which will ensure the safety of officers approaching his car. He then opens the drivers door and waits patiently with his hands on the steering wheel.

An intelligent person understands that he can not out run the radio. And any attempt to do so will just result in additional defense proof felony charges.

Try to keep up. I've made this point myself in previous posts.

Shouldn't you be rioting somewhere?

And there, you made my point. One claims justice is equally deserved by all, regardless of race, and you get you panties in a bunch.

Interesting.

Does an intelligent person understand that after being handcuffed he might lose a physical confrontation with four police officers?

What level of force would you categorize a PIT maneuver?

Yes he absolutely does. And absolutely, the PIT maneuver is lethal force.

But sometimes it is the minimal force needed to stop a dangerous pursuit.

I deeply respect your opinions. I have come to believe they are formed of actual experience. In reference to the "Floyd Incident" you have not once seen me criticize the knee on the neck. Nor have I criticized any part of the treatment of Floyd while in custody. Right up to the point they killed him.

I have said from the very first, long before any autopsy results, the knee upon the neck was not cause of death. COD was positional asphyxiation. One can see it obviously on the video taken from the Cops' rear.

Hell, I have seen 1000 lb horses damn near killed from a cinch tightened too much. The rider had better recognize the signs and loosen the cinch, or it's a dead horse.

A horse or a cow will die if they fall or lay down with their back down hill. They suffocate. Positional asphyxiation is a real thing.

If Police Officers are going to use the restraint techniques employed in the "Floyd Incident", It would behoove them to become somewhat familiar with mammalian physiology. Perhaps someone in Academy should educate cadets upon the basic necessity of the human organism for oxygen. And further educate them as to the mechanisms for supplying oxygen to the system.

The first thing the Officers did wrong in Floyd's death was that they continued to suffocate him after he became nonresponsive.

The second thing was that they refused to react to the fact when one of their own informed them that they had killed Floyd.

The third thing they did wrong was to refuse Floyd aid from a qualified bystander.

You've been wrong on this subject since day one.

No reason to stop now.

You've been wrong on this subject since day one.

No reason to stop now.

The lead cop "the neck man" was a bad cop, dumb cop and a stupid man that was better suited to paint houses than to carry a gun, his record and his actions say it all, he should have quit or been fired before he killed this piece of sh~t and cause a lot of people to lose both their lives and their belongings, there is no defending either one of their actions that day, it just turns out that both of these fools crossed paths on this particular moment in time.

Where did you get all that information?

The internet !

If it's on there, it has to be true !

The autopsy which said cause of death was restriction of chest an abdomen which prevented ventilation?

Or did you not read that part? Some things were obvious from the first video which showed three officers with their weight upon Floyd's person.

Floyd was no Saint.He needed arrested. He did not need to be killed on the street. It would have been obvious to anyone with an IQ above 50 that Floyd"s chest had quit moving. It obviously was obvious to the Junior Officer when he started looking for a pulse.. It was apparently obvious to the bystander who tried to give aid, but was threatened with pepper spray.
I am sure it was obvious to the senior officer with his weight upon Floyd's neck and shoulders. Either he simply did not care that Floyd had died under his knees, or it was the actual outcome he desired.

I'm not going to continue to answer your stupid question.

Sorry.

Then you are not following the thread.

Yes he absolutely does. And absolutely, the PIT maneuver is lethal force.

But sometimes it is the minimal force needed to stop a dangerous pursuit.

I deeply respect your opinions. I have come to believe they are formed of actual experience. In reference to the "Floyd Incident" you have not once seen me criticize the knee on the neck. Nor have I criticized any part of the treatment of Floyd while in custody. Right up to the point they killed him.

I have said from the very first, long before any autopsy results, the knee upon the neck was not cause of death. COD was positional asphyxiation. One can see it obviously on the video taken from the Cops' rear.

Hell, I have seen 1000 lb horses damn near killed from a cinch tightened too much. The rider had better recognize the signs and loosen the cinch, or it's a dead horse.

A horse or a cow will die if they fall or lay down with their back down hill. They suffocate. Positional asphyxiation is a real thing.

If Police Officers are going to use the restraint techniques employed in the "Floyd Incident", It would behoove them to become somewhat familiar with mammalian physiology. Perhaps someone in Academy should educate cadets upon the basic necessity of the human organism for oxygen. And further educate them as to the mechanisms for supplying oxygen to the system.

The first thing the Officers did wrong in Floyd's death was that they continued to suffocate him after he became nonresponsive.

The second thing was that they refused to react to the fact when one of their own informed them that they had killed Floyd.

The third thing they did wrong was to refuse Floyd aid from a qualified bystander.

You say you have read the autopsy.

Please post your source so we all can see the “asphyxiation” diagnosis.

Geeesu, doesn't anyone ever get tired of stupid cop answers over and over and over?

His mind is made up.

Interesting.

Do you feel threatened by your local police?

We are not drinking buddy's , we don't share Christmas cards or wives.

I don't feel threatened by them but chances are, if I'm shot, it will be more than likely it will be the cops, just because there are more of them than ,thugs around here.

So of all the people that live in your area, you feel the police are the most likely to murder you?

Idaho poofter "felt" that 3.5 million Americans would die from a cold virus.

More hilariously, the poof "feels" that he is a conservative.

You're wastin your time usin common sense against his feelings.

Yes I do, everyone I know likes me, I'm just a fun loving country boy, that doesn't do drugs nor prostitutes, the last time I was beat up it was by cops, the last trespasser I ran off was a cop, I've witnessed them lie under oath in court in court ,and the list goes on and on, like many people today , I simply don't trust them!

Kinda destroys the narrative......"he was cuffed, why not just put him in the squad car?".

That further confirms that his behavior was resistive, not assaultive.

You're a joke dude. LOL

As I said from the start, what the officer did, leaning his knee on his neck, was a last resort to hold him down, after failed efforts to get him in the back seat due to vigorous resistance. They didn't have the option of just letting him go. This was all Floyd's doing. He's responsible for his own death.

He doesnt live anywhere near downtown Anycity.

Imagine, if the majority of minority’s just “obeyed a lawful command, or answered a question without black-ata-tude”

😎

But he was a gentle giant. Meth and fentanyl are known for
Making you gentle.
The MSM is making chicken salad out of chicken [bleep].
Also saw a story that a poster that said "it's ok to be white" was racist.
I swear to God, we're living in a bizarro world where everything is opposite of reality.

But he was a gentle giant. Meth and fentanyl are known for
Making you gentle.
The MSM is making chicken salad out of chicken [bleep].
Also saw a story that a poster that said "it's ok to be white" was racist.
I swear to God, we're living in a bizarro world where everything is opposite of reality.

That was a horribly ignorant comment.

Hey Mike,

an honest question.

Where you worked (civilian) would you have been allowed, in recent years, to restrain the suspects legs once handcuffed and still resisting or making actions one could assumed meant he was attempting to escape.

Zip tie restraints, rope, shackles if available, duct tape, whatever you could use without causing injury to the suspect.

Once a suspect is on the ground, held by a couple or three officer, could a 4th officer go get something to restrain the suspect's legs and therefor pretty much put a stop to any attempt to flee custody?

Meaning Paul's.

Not yours.

I don't want to be accused of being cryptic again.

Death due to heart failure not asphyxiation.

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...-floyd-had-positive-test-for-coronavirus

#gayzorrototherescue

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I will answer honestly 1] My experience is dated and not relevant to modern LE. 2. If it were not for politicians that big rowdy MFer would have been choked out before or after cuffing and would probably still be alive. 3. In today's world replete w/ pussies, SJWs and phone cameras I would reserve my efforts for a population that would support me.

I worked for 12 years apprehending dangerous people that the military and others now refer to as High Value Targets. We had a strict code of conduct based on not embarrassing our country. If the subject died prior to rendition and interrogation it was considered a failure.

When we trained the biggest, baddest team member played the role as the target just to keep thing interesting.

I learned that big, tough guys will kick your azz if still conscious. Denying the brain of 02 is the quickest way to obtain compliance.

Try this exercise; restrain your hands and feet and imagine kicking some guy in the face.


mike r

As a social justice seeking beta male warrior I find that behavior unacceptable and the US should be ashamed!!!!! Sounds like you all are a bunch of strangulating murderers!!!

As a social justice seeking beta male warrior I find that behavior unacceptable and the US should be ashamed!!!!! Sounds like you all are a bunch of strangulating murderers!!!

That’s ONE of the missing videos.

You say you have read the autopsy.

Please post your source so we all can see the “asphyxiation” diagnosis.

yep, its about time...... Now, where is the one showing Floyd exiting the passenger side...? under his own power?, Or did they drag him out?

Looks like they finally got him partially in the car and went around to the passenger side to drag him the rest of the way.... How many cops does it take to get a handcuffed guy in the back of the car? How many to drag him back out again... and why? Still say Floyd kicked Chauvin in the balls or told him his old lady was a good squeeze....

It has been quoted here numerous times. Plain black and white from the second (privately funded) autopsy report.

So, here's a challenge for all you nonbelievers. Just drive on down to the local feed, grocery, or hardware store. Purchase six fifty pound bags of feed, or sand, or cement, or sugar, or salt. Then lay on the pavement face down and have your buddy lay three of them across your shoulders, and three more across your kidneys/abdomen.

If you are still alive nine minutes later, come on here and tell us all about it. Post pics please!

Don't ask me to place the bags on your back. I don't want to go away for murder.

Fair enough.

Just please understand that what we've been told isn't the whole story.

Unlike many here. I am eager to hear any undisclosed facts, and am perfectly capable of forming new opinions based on relevant data.

Unless you're a white guy in a Jeep going up I-95.

LOL

Unlike many here. I am eager to hear any undisclosed facts, and am perfectly capable of forming new opinions based on relevant data.

Did the guy die in custody?

Thanks for sharing.

Your welcome, seems like there's a lot of ways 10+ Cop cars stopping all at once at once location could go wrong without some understanding of who's gonna go where.

Death due to heart failure not asphyxiation.

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...-floyd-had-positive-test-for-coronavirus

Your welcome, seems like there's a lot of ways 10+ Cop cars stopping all at once at once location could go wrong without some understanding of who's gonna go where.

That is what happens when the body is starved for oxygen, the heart stops.

Coroners like to use "heart failure" as COD. It is never not correct. They often fail to include the heroin overdose or other factors which actually caused the heart to quit beating.

Less traumatic to the family that way and all that. Or perhaps even, less liability to the governing body paying his salary. Thus the necessity of an autopsy performed by a non government entity.

It's a lot like being a public school teacher.

But different.

Idaho,

I'm sure your intentions and emotions are sincere, but you sound like an absolute buffoon.

Positional (postural) asphyxia is a form of mechanical asphyxia that occurs when a person is immobilized in a position which impairs adequate pulmonary ventilation and thus, results in a respiratory failure.[1,2] In some cases, the body position has a direct hindering effect on normal circulation and venous return to the heart, which may be additional contributing factors to the obstruction of normal gas exchange.[3]

Positional asphyxia is a rare cause of death, responsible for only 1% of all asphyxial deaths in Lithuania and described in just 0.03% of autopsies performed between the years 2010–2016. This form of asphyxia is usually accidental, however, it has been also linked with torturing and homicide.[4,5]

The mechanism of asphyxia can be elicited in a variety of ways. For instance, the inversion of the whole body or of the upper part interferes with normal respiration and blood circulation due to the increase in the intrathoracic pressure and the compression of inferior vena cava.[6] A certain restricted posture of the neck (e.g., hyperflexion or hyperextension) can cause partial or complete airway obstruction.[7]

Lastly, the compression or flexion of the torso reduces total lung volume, functional residual capacity and pulmonary expansion, eventually making breathing ineffective.[5,8] Additionally, depending on the circumstances, these positions can be further categorized into active and passive actions, the latter usually involving cognitive impairment.[9]

Even in the presence of a compromising position, other potential underlying causes of death, such as trauma, intoxication, hyperthermia, exhaustion or crush syndrome should not be overlooked and thus, must be excluded first. To help differentiate these deaths, various criteria have been proposed by a number of authors........

The classical signs of asphyxia mentioned (petechial hemorrhages of the conjunctivae, viscera and/or skin, cerebral and/or pulmonary edema, visceral congestion, the fluidity of the blood) have been used in the diagnosis of asphyxial death for many years. However, these autopsy findings are known to be nonspecific and can appear in various other causes of death.[1] Thus, an assured conclusion mostly depends on the circumstances of the incident, especially in the case of positional asphyxia.......

Bell et al were the first to use this term, along with suggesting certain criteria that could assist with the complicated diagnosis. Even though some of the criteria have been challenged by more recent publications, such as the requirement that the human body cannot be forced into the abnormal position, the majority of authors still rely heavily on the main assessments made. These criteria essentially can be summarized into the following:

1. Negative autopsy or some signs of asphyxia.

2. The body position must interfere with normal gas exchange.

3.It must be impossible for the subject to move to another position.

4.Other causes of death (natural and unnatural) must be excluded.......

Since the first mentioning of positional asphyxia in 1992, a number of cases have been reported declaring it as a cause of death. A further review of literature revealed 37 cases meeting set conditions (reported individual descriptions of adult subjects since 1992, meeting the criteria of positional asphyxia mentioned above). Restraint asphyxia, a purposed form of positional asphyxia, still being a matter of discussion, has been omitted.

So, have you tried the 300 lb challenge?

I have watched a couple guys do pushups with 300 lb laying across their back. The 100 lb sacks were easy to come by. We were 6 man crews moving 3500 of them from the stack and into rail cars each day. Each bag individually hand placed and stacked.

Doing pushups with the weight upon your back is one thing. Laying flat on your stomach with the weight on your back is another.

Actually a good physically fit individual would probably survive, but one not so fit, suffering from drug use and or COPD, not a chance.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6023692/

This is the actual mode of death in crucifixion.

29 year ago I rode with a city policeman. When they got people who resisted that much they just suitecased them. In other words they would restrain their legs and arms and them put a line between the two and could lift them into the car. It would solve a lot of problems.

I will answer honestly 1] My experience is dated and not relevant to modern LE. 2. If it were not for politicians that big rowdy MFer would have been choked out before or after cuffing and would probably still be alive. 3. In today's world replete w/ pussies, SJWs and phone cameras I would reserve my efforts for a population that would support me.

I worked for 12 years apprehending dangerous people that the military and others now refer to as High Value Targets. We had a strict code of conduct based on not embarrassing our country. If the subject died prior to rendition and interrogation it was considered a failure.

When we trained the biggest, baddest team member played the role as the target just to keep thing interesting.

I learned that big, tough guys will kick your azz if still conscious. Denying the brain of 02 is the quickest way to obtain compliance.

Try this exercise; restrain your hands and feet and imagine kicking some guy in the face.


mike r

............I still say there is not enough proof to convict yet.

Your welcome, seems like there's a lot of ways 10+ Cop cars stopping all at once at once location could go wrong without some understanding of who's gonna go where.

What I've learned from watching TV lately.

If you're full of enough drugs to kill a bull elephant and you get caught trying to pass a counterfeit 20 dollar bill, get in the fuggin' police car.

Yeah,.,..the 'boo's will loot and burn every Walmart in the country to honor your name after you expire. But it ain't gonna help you.

He will never be convicted of murder.

Furthermore, there was no significant damage to Floyd’s neck and no evidence of strangulation. This means that the cops didn’t kill Floyd. It was the meth and fentanyl he took, poor health and the stress of resisting arrest that he died of. Floyd died because he made poor decisions.

The news media is ignoring the truth because they want blacks to be angry so they can play them for fools and lie their way into power again.