Lol, "believe" in evolution. There's your problem, right there.

If the law of Conservation of Angular Momentum is real, how come 2 or 3 of the planets spin backwards?

8 of the 91 moons spin backwards?

If the Sun is 98% hydrogen and helium, why is less than 1 % the same on mercury, venus Mars and earth, the same?

Why does the whole Galaxy spin backwards? To make the big bang theory ridiculous?

We're looking at it upside down................

Conflates (physical) Science with (non-physical) Theology.

Why are the two perspectives mutually exclusive? Are we more or less saying that God can't walk and chew gum at the same time?

And, ultimately, does the mode of creation matter if you presume a creator?

I believe in the Bible.

That's right - god's creation isn't it? Guess he messed up big time.

To what extent?

Do you believe in a literal Young, Flat, Earth?

The earth is a two-dimensional circle,
says it right there in Isaiah 40:22

Only heretics and heathens doubt.

25 minutes of Mr. Glib was all I could take. He ignores nuclear decay and universal gravitational constant so far as well as reducing cosmic events to human time scale (If you haven't seen any kind of evolution within the human experience it must not happen). And of course falsely uses "theory" as a synonym for "fact," a common ploy.

You lasted 25 minutes longer than I did. But Kent's such a notorious liar I didn't bother to click on the video.

Why did the Son of God [ as designer-creator
of all things] , Get angry and curse a tree
for not bearing fruit out of season?

I dunno. I'm not good at allegory.

Like the ‘theory of gravity’ or the ‘theory of orbital mechanics’ or the ‘theory of nuclear fission’.

Did Jesus really perform a miracle and wither
the fig tree, or is it merely fable?

Which of his miracles are true and which only fable?

This particular story, especially when taken in context of surrounding events, has all the "Marks" of a fable designed to make a point about the events between when Jesus cursed the fig tree, and revisited it a day later. Here's the best explanation I've seen of the allegory surrounding the story:

When it comes to evolution, Kent Hovind has zero credibility. Evolution is an established fact....any contraversy or need to modify is related to the mechanisms of evolution, not the fact of it.

I suspect that some folks like to misrepresent the nature of theory in science in order to support their own faith. Doing it time and time again after it's explained numerous times.....

Speaking of orbital mechanics, that theory failed to match observation and we had to invent dark matter to hold galaxies together. The facts of the matter are still a tossup as per definition nobody can directly observe dark matter.

Evangelists understand one constant.
Not all the folks will evolve beyond the inclination to send in their money.

Does it matter? An allegory is a story told to illustrate a point. So which is significant, the story or the point?

Seems a pretty weak faith if one feels the need to intentionally misrepresent the nature of theory in science in order to support their faith.

For folks who believe in actual physical world miracles
by Jesus, its likely to matter a whole lot.

seems your faith is different to many other Christians.

What If all the miracles are mere fables?..
Doesnt matter you say.

?? "Theory" is an explanation of what is observed as in Science. "Fact" is an ontological truth as in Philosophy. Very different things, don't try to mix 'n match.

And why is that unless they're lacking faith or reason?

Does faith determine whether all the miracles
of Jesus were fables vs actual performed miracles?

with 'enough faith', can you turn fables into
actual physical miracle events?

I don't know enough about any to say I believe in them, and am not interested enough to do the research to find out. I find I don't really care that much how it happened

Huh? Whether they happened or not doesn't matter. Faith and reason lead to an understanding of the moral truth which is being revealed. And that's what matters.

Made a dude in his own image
Yanked a rib and made a chick for him.

I read into that.

Personally I mix Creation and Evolution.
Dunno how long one of God's days was.
If a few million years, it seems to blend rather well.

It removes one argument, and tends to shut most people up (win win)
There are some young earthers that get rather rabid though.

They also seem to have other issues.

Thats your view as a catholic, many other Christians
(including many catholics) take it that Jesus performed
actual physical miracles... and to them such matters a
whole lot.

Many christians pray for miracles based on their belief
that they actually happened as recorded in Bible.

And that's the point of that silly Buckaroo Banzai clip I posted: However we came to this state of affairs we have to deal with it as we find it.

You already said that. But why should it matter? Without having performed miracles is God any the lesser?

BTW Catholics believe in miracles both by Jesus and by others in His name. Like saints. Many miracles have been recognized by the Church.

Those recognized by the church, we're they
Actual real miracles, or does the church take
Your view, that it doesn't matter if they were
actual miracles or not?




Why does the church bother to recognize alleged
miracles if they don't really matter?

Why would a mighty God bother to Perform
trivial inconsequential miracles for the church
to give value to?

This.

Watch this entire series, and you will understand that evolution is a reality.

Here's episode one:

The Hebrew language in genesis does not demand a 7 day 24 hour per day creation. In fact, the contrary.

Several stories or if you wish parables were allegories to illustrate a point. The good Samaritan, the Prodigal Son, Lazarus the Beggar, come to mind. I believe the bible while realizing you must sift out the additions and knowing a bunch was left out. The siege of Jericho story was pretty short, for that matter the 40 years wandering account is too brief. Jesus lived over 30 years and taught for over 3 years and a lot is missing and then he was misrepresented by Paul. I also believe in evolution. I've witnessed quite an evolution in our local wild hog population over the last 30 years. They are decidedly bigger, smarter, longer haired, and are shaped different. I wonder about people who are so certain of their knowledge or beliefs that they cannot entertain the idea they may be wrong.

Left to mother nature, wild feral hogs genetics lead them back to the hogs GOD originally made them.

I can see where HE isnt wrong.

All these ages, and yet no mongrelcatti or hippoelephanti is enough to convince me.

God bless you Jag.
You are a true representive of Jesus and his teachings.

PTL.

Amazing how HE can be my Saviour and yours too.

Just watched a show about Jericho tonight on TV. According to the show, archeologists have determined that Jericho had been reduced to rubble and ashes by nearby rival tribes several hundred years before the Israelites were in the area. According to that show, the Israelites must have stolen local legends from earlier in time about Jericho, and rewrote themselves into the tale as the victors. Pretty interesting stuff.

Yeah, like Piglosi and Schiefty and Schumer and such.

Dunno Jag.
Was QP listed as an option.?

Real miracles after much investigation. But they are not a basis of the faith. None of the faithful I've known has ever seen one.



Didn't say the didn't matter. Said they are not necessary to the faith. And the moral point being made is more important than the act.


Trivial and inconsequential? your surmise. God does that for his own purposes. He doesn't tell me everything. Miracles are demonstrations of His love and mercy which many find comforting. They are also demonstrations of the value of faith. Are they necessary? No. But some people find them helpful in understanding.

So what the RC church deems as miracles are
the real deal, but the word of God miracles in
Bible could all be just fables?

Which miracles in the Bible actually happened?




God told you the miracles are real?....
or RC church told you they are real?
, or you just convinced yourself because its
comforting and convenient to believe it?




which Miracles do catholics believe as real in Bible?
And who investigated them to prove they are not myth?



Why perform miracles if they are deemed not necessary?

Why would a God do something that is not required?

Scott Adams, the creator of the Dilbert cartoon series, says that the most trouble he has had in his entire life is from saying evolution would be proven wrong in his lifetime.

All the science geniuses I know now believe that evolution theory has been replaced with the simulation.... which you can say was created by God.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis

If you don't like the math that supports this, because you don't like math, just watch the movie THE MATRIX.

LOL,

As faith is a belief held without the support of evidence it is a position that needs constant reinforcement, church, fellowship, reading selected material, etc. So if someone questions the faith, they are a threat to the faith.

He does a good job.

I have seen a miracle. I have a daughter who for her first three months was ill, listless, obviously couldn't see, would only barely take milk, seemed profoundly retarded. I told the Lord I didn't understand why this was but I would take care of her as best I could. She developed a bad urinary tract infection and was hospitalized not really expected to live. She threw off the infection and immediately became way more responsive,started eating gained weight, and started smiling. Fast forward, she was valedictorian, now is an ICU RN with a beautiful 4 year old highly intelligent little girl.She is now 28. Beginning about age 4 she started insisting on going everywhere with me. She is a crack shot with her .243W. She is quite social and has lots of friends and is a far cry from what her future looked like in 1992. My wife is a pediatric NP and we are friends with the pediatricians that treated her from birth. There is no explanation they can give for the turnaround. I give God the glory and thanks.

All of you Guys listen,

This short, but Great message is why I reconsidered the religion that I was heavily Indoctrinated in since I was in preschool! None of us know it all, especially a preschooler...but I believed my religion throughout childhood and adolescence as much as anyone here.
If you have the courage, you will ask God of the Bible if He will convince you of the truth before and after watching it.





The RELIGION of Evol-utionism started long before Charley Darwin. It was started by someone who said, "Hath God said..?" Undermining God's integrity, calling Him a liar.

Then the father of the alternative religion opposed to friendship with God said,
"Ye shall not surely die.". Again calling God a liar and deceiving an intelligent person...a genius, yet gullible.
I'm not criticizing the woman, just giving the plain facts....just like most men are. We've been raised by the gt (public fool system), to despise God like the devil and choose to believe that religion's teachings without question. They teach us that we came from a rock and that eventually we shall be as gods.

Third, Satan, the guru of what eventually became a major doctrine of the Hindu religion said,
..."You shall be as god's..."

In a nutshell, keep in mind that Jesus IS THE CREATOR. He demonstrated it to over 10, 000 eye witnesses when He preached to them on multiple occasions He CREATED meals for them. "In Whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins....ALL things were created by Him..." John chapter 1
That's easier for me to believe than other religions that teach that you are continually improving until someday you will be like a god..😄

1. "Let God be true and EVERY MAN a liar". We have ALL lied and there is a consequence called hell, no matter what Satan says. God can't do something. What is that? He can NOT lie. As it is written,

"All liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Even the little white ones? Yup, all of them. And it's not just lies, it's all wrong... including the things we know that we should do, but don't.
Revelation 21:8

2. No matter how uncomfortable it may be, You ARE going to die someday.

"For the wages of sin is death." Romans 6:23

3. You are not going to evolve/reincarnate and come back as a Brahma cow or whatever. Nor do people give birth to cows or anything besides other people. That's not hard to Believe. You are welcome to believe what you want to, but Jesus warned over and over that you are going to The Lake for longer than you can imagine!
Satan is happy with that. Jesus is not.

That is why He willingly submitted to be tortured and die for YOU. Because He knows when you will die and that you WILL be tortured forever without Him.
When He was crucified, He suffered the undescribable pain and punishment necessary that was required for your personal sins against a loving God. He can save you because after he died He came back to life and is THE only Savior. IF you want to try to save yourself, that makes you a savior and you are not ever going to be good enough. The mirror shows a man in need of God, not a savior.

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us.".
( Only Speaking to those who made this decision because it's past tense. Notice it's NOT because of your good works.)

The key to everlasting life is to reject the lie that your good works can make you right with God. No amount of works has ever saved anyone. Then you must make Jesus Christ alone the object of your trust. That previous verse continues,

" For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Don't put it off. Go to God right now and ask Him for what He is offering. The gift has already been paid for.
Tell Him,

"Dear God,
I don't deserve to go to heaven. I deserve hell, because I've committed sins against You. I know that Jesus Christ Your Son was punished for what I did, so that I won't have to be punished in hell. After He died, He came back to life the third day. I trust Him to save me and to take me to heaven some day.
Thank You for the gift of everlasting life.
Amen

Evolution is no way, shape or form a religion. The evidence is there. It takes no faith to examine the evidence.

I thought you folks hashed this all out a few month back.

Big thread, many pages.

Can't remember who won.

Once the COVID and riots have passed, the religious pop their heads back up and start making bad noises...

Only an idiot accepts the biblical explanations over science. It’s true that the people who wrote the Bible were inspired by God and provide the best explanations they had to explain the world. However, they lacked science and the scientific method to determine the truth. A ration explanation is that God used evolution as a tool to create and change life.

Evolution is a fact that explains how life changed and adapted to a changing environment. The sooner that accept this truth the sooner you will understand the world.

Do you have any real argument or just so much sophistry.

Evidence wins every time. The evidence proves evolution.

Oh?

I'm pretty sure there will be more than one arguing against that point.

Cheap tactic.... to evade the questions
cause you got no rational response.
Painted yourself into a corner and now buried
your head in the sand.




Why perform miracles if they are deemed not necessary?

Why would a God do something that is not required?

Consider the meaning of sophistry. I have no desire to waste my time by addressing fallacious questions. Plenty of better ways to waste my time.

There is no deception in my questions,

they are straight forward-direct to the point.

Your bullschit doesn't fly.

Nope, not so at all. Your comment is clearly referring to Faith as applied in Christianity. Yet you avoid the biblical definition of faith and discount then source of that faith.. all because you have not experienced it.

Hebrews 11:1..... “.... faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see....”

This biblical definition is clearly different from what you wrote.

And, no, you are not a threat to my faith.

Starman,
Your questions are deceptive in that they are intended to act as rhetorical devices and not to elicit a meaningful response. Much like the Sophists back in the day.

You lost and your dumbass pride can't concede
that you screwed up.. TFF.

trying to talk all mr. sophisticated like won't help...
You layed the minefield with your waffle
And now you dont like walking it.

Evolution is not a religion. Neither is gravity, or nuclear fission, or orbital mechanics.

Maybe to some. Absolutely not to all.

There is no argument against the reality of evolution, only protest.

Why not? How can evidence that clearly supports natural evolution not be a threat to faith/special creation? Unless that evidence is dismissed or ignored. That is one way to maintain faith.

You can test the most devout christians faith
by asking them if they reach for Glock or begin
by praying to a God if they have a home invasion.

or give them choice of foxhole or concrete bunker
when it's raining proximity fuse artillery.

Heart attack - medical science paramedics..or just
call for much needed prayers from your church friends
cause it will fix everything...

Lots of dead church people, but how many actually faithfully living through Christ.
Talk and just keeping empty appearances is cheap.

People telling themselves they know they have made
the cut into a heaven.... hilarious.

Fugkin' blacks...

Hebrew 11:1 supports what I said.

Thankfully the end of the world preaching is out of favour, and believers go quiet when it gets real - busy praying I suppose. In days gone they used to rage that the world was ending whenever some disaster or calamity struck, only to look like complete tossers afterwards. This has happened for thousands of years and they were never right - faith, whata ya gone a do about it?

Now that things are somewhat more settled, the believers start popping out of the woodwork and can continue with their moderate levels of fear of death. Seems anger is a good substitute for hopelessness - gives drive and purpose. Hey, lets start slinging crap at the infidels again and continue with our feel good fairy tales.

What do you have when an old drunken racist starts preaching god and the bible?

A hysterical fugging hypocrite that hunts sharks in the desert!

Go drink another handle you crazy old kook!

I see the beauty of the Creator and creation every single day. The beauty of evolution , not so much. I also believe discussing it can be a huge waste of time , but it can get kind of entertaining at happy hour!

Creation is an idea. Evolution a reality.

Who won????


The people who didnt post in it of course!!!!
And Bin with hit and veiw #,s


LOL!!!

lets just take one thing from the bible

Noah and the ark. so this guy gathers up a pair of all the animals on earth and loads them on a giant ship(do you really know how big that ship had to be?)
it would have taken years to build it,years to figure out how to get all the animals there, so maybe he waited til the water started to rise and floated the world and all the animals were so scared they just jumped on the ship. yeah right.

to me its like a cartoon and half the world believes it.

biggest scam in the history of the world

And he let ticks and chiggers on board too.
Cause some animals and birds and schit eat em.


Thanks Noah!!!!
You made turkey season kinda sucky, but at least the bug dope companies benefit from it!!!


LOL!!!

See, there's your problem. Your posts are not a search for truth. Merely some kind of weird game intended to stroke your ego. Believe what you want, I couldn't care less,

I know there are lawyers who have never tried a case in a court of law in their entire. They make a living "Mitigating". If a lawyer does have to try a case in a court of law and question witnesses, does the witness still have to swear to "I swear by Almighty God [to tell] the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." If so, how does a person questioning and a person answering in such a procedure place any credibility in the process if they hold nothing but contempt for the very oath that must be sworn in order to give or receive testimony in court. Have you ever objected to the Judge that you have no believe or hold no faith at all to the oath that must be sworn to testify, or are you yourself a hypocrite and just "play along"? I admit I have never been sworn to testify and do not personally know how everything is done in every court of law, just asking your great intellectual input into such matters.

By some, maybe. Certainly not all.

I dunno, i saw a documentary on that a few years ago, it seemed very believable. Its called Evan Almighty... it took place real close to us too in NOVA.

Those who are ignorant of science should not try to draw conclusions from things they don't understand.

Clearly not. Perhaps you cannot or choose not to see the difference.

I will be along again after a bit and show it again.

I believe that the rejection of basic Christian principles by more and more people is the root of a lot of our problems. 48% of millenials, in a recent poll, answered "none" when asked what their religion was. And Protestant denominations are losing members like crazy. Without a grounding in religion, any morals are simply relative--whatever feels good.

That said, taking the Bible absolutely literally is a mistake, IMHO. The four gospels were not even written down for decades after Jesus. And they were picked from among many other Gospels, with different narratives in part, by a group of ignorant (by our standards) priests selected by a booodthirsty emperor (Constantine) 300 years later.

I do not believe in talking snakes, breeding striped goats by making them watch striped sticks while copulating, and lots of other things. I suspect that some of Jesus's doings were inserted or exaggerated in the hundreds of years after his death.

But...arguing faith vs. science is a waste of time. "Never the twain shall meet." Each seeks truth in a different way.

I don’t believe that science and trying to follow the teachings of Jesus are somehow mutually exclusive.

It occurs every few months. Has for as long as I've been a member, and I'm pretty close to being a founding member here.

It's in the Bible: "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth (which includes you and me), which the waters brought forth abundantly ..."

The Bible, in other words, equates 1) the waters (in response to God's command) bringing forth every living creature (Watch the first several installments of the series I provided installment number one for, above), and 2) God having created said creatures.

It wasn't direct creation. God assigned the task entirely to nature, which he commanded to accomplish, and it did so. All life originated in the waters, and evolved into all the flora and fauna the earth has ever known. There was no intelligent design (God didn't engineer each creature, nor any of them), which is quite obvious to anyone who studies biology, zoology, genetics, etc.. Nor does the Bible say that he did.

Without reading the good,,or bad, I believe God's wonderful Creation came about just the way He, wanted it to.

Right

Either the world is a special creation made by God, whatever that is, or the world and life evolved through natural processes. If one is true the other must be false. Both cannot be true.

Wow! My mind of preacher, lol.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

Denied being a U.S. Citizen to evade taxes. Kids, don't try this at home.

Or the world and life evolved through natural processes set in motion by the Creator.

As is described very clearly in Genesis, Chapter 1, reproduced by me above.

Love the ark story...! Grins, biggest miracle is the fact the critters didn't eat each other, divine intervention I reckon... but really ....! The mosquito's.....! Did Noah have to bring the damn bugs.....! And why the fug didn't the bird's eat em when they had the chance?

This may take some time, popcorn.

This......
Evan Almighty
Evan Almighty is a 2007 American fantasy disaster comedy film, and a stand-alone sequel and spin-off of Bruce Almighty.
Proof eh, you betcha

Yep, been beat to death several times over many pages. Nobody "won" then, and nobody is going to win now. You will either die and find out what actually happened, or you will just die. Me, I think I know what happened and I expect to have it confirmed.

Sad that many allow the theory of evolution to prevent them from believing in Jesus.

Indeed.

Nice collection of fools on display in this thread. It's quite entertaining how smart people think they are.

How old and out of touch are you?

No! You do not have to swear to any divine power when sworn in in an American Court.

Matthew 5:22:

...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

You all know where I stand .

Some will be forgiven, others, not so much.

Nice try AS (fool, swine), but you know that's not the context of the word "fool" which refers to those who say there is no God.
The Hebrew word is nabal, which often refers to an impious person who has no perception of ethical or religious truth. The meaning of the text is not “unintelligent people do not believe in God.” Rather, the meaning of the text is “sinful people do not believe in God.” In other words, it is a wicked thing to deny God,

They'll be plenty of smart folks in hell. Do I need to explain "swine" to you again as well?

Yea, that's Doc's hero.

I love the double wide trailer "University":




On July 11, 2006, Hovind was indicted on 58 counts in the District Court in Northern Florida in Pensacola. The first 12 counts were charges for willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over federal income taxes and FICA taxes in connection with the CSE operation, totaling $473,818 for the 12 fiscal quarters of 2001–2003. The next 45 counts were charges for knowingly structuring transactions by making multiple cash withdrawals totaling $430,500 in amounts just under the $10,000 which requires reporting (a technique known as "Structuring"), for which his wife was also charged. The last count was a charge of corruptly endeavoring to obstruct and impede the administration of the internal revenue laws by falsely listing the IRS as his only creditor when filing for bankruptcy, filing a false and frivolous lawsuit against the IRS in which he demanded damages for criminal trespass, making threats of harm to those investigating him and to those who might consider cooperating with the investigation, filing a false complaint against IRS agents investigating him, filing a false criminal complaint against IRS special agents (criminal investigators), and destroying records.[135][136][137]

...At arraignment, Hovind claimed incomprehension to the charges, telling the court: "I still don't understand what I'm being charged for and who is charging me."[136] The presiding magistrate judge asked Hovind if he wrote and spoke English, to which Hovind responded, "To some degree."

...the jury deliberated three hours before finding the Hovinds guilty on all counts, 58 for Hovind and 45 for his wife


On January 19, 2007, Hovind was sentenced to ten years in prison with three years probation and ordered to pay the federal government restitution of over $600,000. During the sentencing phase, a tearful Hovind, hoping to avoid prison, told the court, "If it's just money the IRS wants, there are thousands of people out there who will help pay the money they want so I can go back out there and preach."[147] However, Hovind's court room behavior was in stark contrast to phone calls he made while in jail and played by the prosecution.[148] The tapes, posted online by the Pensacola News Journal, included one conversation with Hovind and Eric Hovind, who were planning to hide a motor vehicle title and property deeds to prevent the government from collecting the property to pay for owed debt.[149] At sentencing, he denied being a "tax protester",[148] but the prosecution,[116] an IRS spokesman,[148] and the Pensacola News Journal[140][150] used the term to describe him.

On June 29, 2007, Jo Hovind was sentenced to one year of imprisonment, three years of supervision upon release and fined $8,000.[144] In court, Jo Hovind offered explanations for the 45 checks just under $10,000 and for checks cashed before and after the reporting deadline, telling the judge "I really did not have a leadership role in CSE" and finished "I would never knowingly do anything illegal." The judge said that while Hovind was the principal authority at CSE, Jo managed the payroll; she had cashed roughly 200 checks totaling $1.5 million over a four-year period, relying on cash to avoid IRS scrutiny.[150] The United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit denied both appeals on December 30, 2008,[146] and the U.S. Supreme Court denied certiorari on November 2, 2009.[151]

Keep focusing on what they said, rather than what HE said if it makes you feel better.

Bunch of high IQ brainiac unbelievers here below.

Instead of citing a fundamentalist whack job, how about a secular, highly credentialed intellectual?

https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/giving-up-darwin/

It is written: There's going to be a great gnashing of teeth.

We've seen one and it will happen again.

What did HE stand to gain by saying so, if it weren't so? Riches, women, fast cars.

Wow! Jaguartx follows this guy? He's even more of a doofus than I thought. There are plenty of decent and honest preachers to follow.

Who immediatly resorts to quoting the whack jobs of the Discovery Institute.

So, the big bang begat the universe and life at the same time. Unreal (or a bright idea- by someone)...

Doc, you are getting either dumber, or more dishonest by the day.

So, the big bang caused life. Where did the universe come from?

Beyond what our teeny brains can figure out


Our you could say a mythical being that no one has ever seen before, snapped his finger and it all magically happened....

What if space is infinite.... what if it isnt...

Wab,

Pretty pictures, nice sentiment, but they are not evidence.

Have a great day my friend.

Say whatever you like, but evolution is just metaphysical theory. Unproven and undemonstrated..... and as we have discussed before, poorly supported .... if supported at all....by fossil evidence.

Also, appealing to a majority who all believe the same thing seems empty. If someone in Germany, in 1938, denounced Hitler and said he would lead the nation into war, death and destruction, he would have soundly denounced by the “majority.”

Men go mad in herds......

IOW, no proof of evolution, which disingenuous AS already knows.

We have teeny brains compared only to HIM.

We have immensely greater brain power than any other living beings HE made.

Albert was a pretty smart guy
“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.”

"Yet, that does not mean that the atheists are right to crow, and that Einstein only ever spoke of God idiomatically, meaning nothing more by his frequent references to the divine. Our star witness here is Einstein himself. A global celebrity and known for his willingness to talk God as much as physics, he was frequently asked, in private and public, to pronounce on his beliefs. In as far as these can be summed up, they appear to be deistic. “I’m not an atheist and I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist,” he once said when asked to define God. “I believe in Spinoza’s God,” he told Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogues of New York, “who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists.” All the finer speculations in the realm of science “spring from a deep religious feeling,” he remarked in 1930. In the order, beauty and intelligibility of creation, he found signs of the ‘God’ he also heard throughout his life in music.

This was not the personal God of the Abrahamic faiths, but nor was it the idiomatic “God” of atheism. Indeed, Einstein could be equally withering on this point. When asked whether there was an inherent antagonism between science and religion, or whether science would ever supercede religion, he was emphatic in his denial. Nor had he any time for deriving morality from science. “Every attempt to reduce ethics to scientific formulae must fail,” he once remarked. There are still people, he remarked at a charity dinner during the War, who say there is no God. “But what really make me angry is that they quote me for support of such views.” “There are fanatical atheists whose intolerance is of the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics,” he said in 1940."

Einstein, then, offers scant consolation to either party in this debate. His cosmic religion and distant deistic God of cosmic order and elegance fits neither the agenda of religious believers or that of tribal atheists. As so often during his life, he refused and disturbed the accepted categories.

Einstein once famously remarked that to punish him for his contempt for authority, Fate made him an authority himself. As with physics so with religion. We do the great physicist a disservice when we go to him to legitimise our belief in God, or in his absence.

Personally anyone that adheres to some sort of a belief based on blind faith and some promise of a after life future is selfish and self serving, Live and treat people today for how you wish to be treated, not for some grand plan that you will prosper in heaven, or miss out on hell, or sit on some star with 17 virgins... fables... geezzz

The story content and the point are equally important for one without the other is gibberish.

Actually, David Galernter is an esteemed computer scientist at Yale.

Ah..... but it is not blind faith.

It is reality, it is as real as God is real. He provides the faith. That is why it is not “blind faith.”

You don't even have good evidence for the claimed existence of your god.

Even if evolution was NOT true, it still would not prove your god. The only reason you try so hard to disprove evolution is because its in conflict with your version of Christianity.

I know who David is. I also read the article and saw who he sights.....whack jobs from the Discovery Institute.

You ever look at the definition of “faith”?

DBT,

Here is what you said about “faith” ……

“As faith is a belief held without the support of evidence it is a position that needs constant reinforcement, church, fellowship, reading selected material, etc. So if someone questions the faith, they are a threat to the faith.”

You clearly state that faith is a belief held without the support of evidence. I then quoted Hebrews 11:1….”“.... faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see....”

Faith like I am describing is not a belief held without the support of evidence. Let me delve into that.

See John 14:23…” Jesus replied, If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.”

Let me repeat…. “…we will make our home with him.”

See also, John 15:3…. “Remain in me and I will remain in you.”


When God is in you, when the Holy Spirit witnesses to your inner being, there is no doubt about it. This is not blind faith at all. It is belief based on a living and active relationship with God Himself.

So, how does this come about? The thief on the cross …. Luke 23…..knew he was a criminal and only a few crucial words are spoken…”Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. He replied to him, ‘Amen I say to you today you will be with me in Paradise.”


There is another example….Luke 18 ….. the Pharisee prayed but prayed out of pride…. then….the tax collector prayed….”But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ (Jesus then said…) I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God…..”

So, it is as simple as that…. here it is re-phrased: “Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.”

Then, God comes into your inner being and then, YOU KNOW.

Who ever said that?? The Big Bang Theory falls within the scientific field of astrophysics, not evolutionary biology. The Big Bang Theory is not a theory of the origin of species.

PS The Big Bang Theory is perfectly in accord with Genesis, which is why (when it was proposed), it was strongly opposed by atheists, who preferred the steady state theory (The dominant model prior to the Big Bang Theory) of the universe because it was inconsistent with the Genesis account of the universe's origin.

Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy, not evidence.

Did you make this post because you think you're opinion is right?

Were you smoking dope or drunk when you posted this?

It’s flat..... (smirk)

Like you?

Yet you are famous here for using it!

^^^ This is true.

For sure. The evolutionists say the big bang caused the first spark of life and that progressed to us.

For sure.

Not an unbeliever.
Just dont wanna listen to people tell me how to beleive.
Especially since it involves supporting their sorry azz,s with my money.


Since the dawn of time.......
And someone figured out how they could exploit it for an easy street living and not have to fight off saber tooth tigers like the rest had too.



Far as evolution and what the bible says ( which version is the true word anyways?)
Beleive what ya want.
Someone or something made us.
Might be shocking to either side of the fence if ever found out one way or the other.
With concrete undisputed evidence....


Live my life my way and not based on some turd telling me how too according to what his version of the bible says....

Done more good than bad in my life.
If a person dont know that about their ownself, then their moral compass is fugged.....

Dont need another person telling me my soul is hollow according to their convictions and I need to be saved according to their own beliefs on what they read or hear.


Said Roman Catholic on my dog tags.
I would have rather been a non compliant jewish person than locked into this absoulote Catholic stuff.
Heck
When I die if my body aint disposed in a approved catholic way, or place.
I'm gonna burn.
If I go free agent and change teams to another branch of christianity.
Im gonna burn...
Who made this schitt up ???
Man or god???
Man for money is the answer.....


Point of veiws over.........

You should probably read the story you can comment intelligently. God brought the animals. God gave them 120 years to prepare for the Flood. The ship was between 450 and 550 feet long consisting of three levels.

Talk about a cartoon.... Come up with a way to explain abiogenesis and you will be a very rich person.

Yet he couldnt make even one cell, much less the smallest of a human hair.

Evolution is proven, faith is in your heart, not a bad thing to have...
The big Gnarly Dude sure as hell didnt make it simple or easy to follow.. in fact we were given license to do as we please... pay later... what a concept.

I don't understand why the heated arguments?

Yep. Its not what HE said. JESUS CHRIST suffered and died for all.

So maybe you could tell us why every year there are more and more Ph.D. scientists becoming creationists biologists, geologists, paleontologists, astronomers, etc., etc. Are they not as educated as you?

Is it heated?

It looks heated to me .

Fortunately, one’s salvation does NOT depend on the Biblical story of Creation.

I'm old enough to at least Google it before I posted it. This is what I found when I searched the web in numerous sites . By the way, how old are you? You seem to think a lot of your own opinion in most matters. I'm just asking questions.

"United States
Oath:

Do you solemnly (swear/affirm) that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, (so help you God/under pains and penalties of perjury)?
"Swear" may be replaced with "affirm", and either "so help you God" or "under pains and penalties of perjury" may be used; all oaths and affirmations are considered to be equivalent before the law.[14] These modifications to the oath were originally introduced in order to accommodate those who feel uncomfortable swearing religious oaths, such as Quakers, as well as to accommodate the irreligious.[15] In United States v. Ward, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that certain other modifications of the oath were acceptable so long as they demonstrated "a moral or ethical sense of right and wrong".[16]

Oath (California):

You do solemnly state that the testimony you may give in the case now pending before this court shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?"

Nah..... I guess it’s how you perceive text. Easily taken out of context. Imho.

I hope your doing good wabigoon! Love ya man.

Adam and Eve, and the basis for Original Sin are in the same book.

If the creation story is not "true", is Adam an Eve not true?

No Adam and Eve, no original sin, no need for Jesus.




Wabigoon, I hope that helps answer your question. Once you start admitting parts of the Bible are just allegory, the question then become, "How much is just allegory?" If the Creation, Adam and Eve, Flood and Exodus are all just Allegory, why not Jesus?

I thought some guy named Darwin figured all this out in the 1850's. Hard to believe we still have naysayers 170 years later.

For you, AS, the greater need is to discredit HIM.

I suppose for some, that is comforting.

I'm comfortable with you not believing.

Why are you so uncomfortable with us believing? It makes you uncomfortable.

If that’s the way you see it, so be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Might want to read that little document called The Constitution and the surrounding case law:

https://ffrf.org/legal/item/14022-jury-oaths

The Supreme Court ruled that the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which is applied to state and local governments by Amendment 14, prohibits government was forcing a person to profess a belief in God or in any religion as a condition of obtaining public services or benefits. Despite the Torcaso decision, a few states are holdouts and have retained unconstitutional religious tests for public office, for jury duty, etc. However, there have been a variety of lower-court decisions on the matter, including People v. Velarde, 616P.2d 104 (1980), in which the Colorado Supreme Court held that, although jurors are required to state affirmations, they are not required to swear an oath to a god.

Lmfao!!!

A scant few actual Ph.D..biologists, geologists, paleontologists, etc., become Creationists, and those that do are cranks. Some Ph.Ds legitimately in those fields may, like myself, believe in divine creation, as it's poetically related in Genesis, but that's far from being a Creationist. Creationism is a system of belief invented fairly recently in history (most of its roots being found in the Twentieth Century), holding its adherents to a childish, pre-scientific, interpretation of the Book of Genesis.

I was called as a witness in court. While I was in the hall waiting to be called I read Matthew. Jesus says don't swear..... When the clerk asked if I swear to tell the truth... I told him I just read what Jesus said. Therefore I will not swear. He then asked if I would affirm and I told him that was just a cleaver way to get me to say the same thing. The D.A. who knew me turned to the judge and said, "He will tell the truth, Your Honor." That settled it and I testified.

That’s subjective to. Lol

I find many things comforting I.e. wiping my butt with nice paper.
Hmmmm, what else, that’s about it.

How you Doing jag? Always enjoy your posts.

That was not directed to you or anybody else btw.......

That's also the way Kent Hovind, the subject of the OP see it, along with millions of other Christians. He has a whole talk on how you have to believe in a literal interpretation of the OT, because without the OT, there is no NT, no NT, no Jesus, and no trip past the Pearly Gates.

No?
So where are you going?

I’m in disagreement with anyone (Kent Hovind, you, other followers of Jesus, etc.) who thinks the Bible is the foundation of the Christian faith.
Some people worship a book, others attack the faith of Christianity by attacking that book, and others try to follow Jesus’ teachings and worship Him.

Typical elitist catholic thinking others have the
problem.

Fact is there were direct enquiring questions about
your claims that you ran away from, coz you had
already painted yourself into a corner.

What you Lost was not a competition, . what you
lost is credibilty in your argument. because it
was full of holes. So you dumped it, bundled up
your pride [ego] and ran... then put up some sad
lame excuse.

Its not the first time your crapola has been shown
to be nonsense... You've had your ass handed to
to you before, yet you persist with your intellectual
giant stance on such matters. You get so caught
up in your own web of convoluted bullschit and
contradictions that you don't see the trap you lay
for yourself... 😂

You are good at pissing until it comes
to actually getting it in the bowl.

Thanks, Fester, take care.

Lots of things give us comfort. For some, it includes discrediting HIM.

Some are made uncomfortable to hear of others worshipping HIM.

AS is one of those. Why? Pretty obvious he's not too secure in his belief, and has to keep reminding himself he has nothing to worry about.

It aint uncomfort with believers.
Its hearing some of them spew their pieholes about it and condeming others for not falling in line lock step in what they believe to be their mission to save someone else's soul.
And feeling fugging smug about it all while doing it.

I dont need anyone to set me straight about what I beleive.
Espeically when their are a million six christain religons all reading outta different versions of gods book. Cut copied and pasted by those men with power thruout time on what they wanted in it or out of it.
Then throw benjamins into the equation.


Just saying.....

You don't know what you are addressing so confidently. In what field is your Ph.D.? Consider Dr. Jason Lisle. He is a six day young universe creationist who made discoveries in the sun that no other scientist discovered prior to his discovery. I heard him say (I will paraphrase. But it's close.) "Evolution is myth for which there is NO evidence." Consider Dr. Russell Humphreys. He is a six day young universe creationist who predicted what would be discovered by the solar system research projects. He made his prediction based on God's Word where It read the universe came from water. What are your discoveries or prediction that are scientifically supported?

Who is condemning HIM? GODs word. We just repeat the Good News. That's what AS cant stand.

His argument is with the Word.

What have believers lost if they are wrong. They arent going to regret having believed.

He wants proof from us, when he cant provide proof for us.

Hey jag. I’m NOT discrediting you or anybody else.

We are all stuck here doing what we do......

No jag, I’m not talking s hit bud.

renegade50, you seem to be missing in some education. I didn't get permission from either of the following so punch me in the head next time you see me. Take a look at this quote from Doc Rocket responding to antlers.



Originally Posted By antlers
If ones personal faith and belief in The Messiah is threatened by what others say or believe, or by what ancient manuscripts contain...then maybe the problem isn't with what others say or believe, or with what ancient manuscripts contain.
Answered by Doc Rocket

Well, you're kind of right about this, on a basic level.

However, it appears you are not up to speed on the history surrounding the Canon of New Testament scripture, nor the Judeo-Christian tradition of debate over minutiae! Don't worry, you're not alone. I doubt that 1 Christian in 10 in the USA knows even the basic history of the First Century Church. Nonbelievers, maybe 1 in 1000.

The first thing, i.e., why are we Christians so quick to argue about What others say and believe about the Christian faith, is because what we ALL say about our faith matters to EVERY Christian believer. The traditions of Judaism, outlined in the Torah and multiple rabbinical texts, argue that discussion of every new viewpoint on Scripture is not just desirable, but a mandatory exercise in the Jewish religion. And Christianity, which is nothing more nor less than the fulfillment of the Jewish religion in the person, life works, and teachings of Jesus, has followed that tradition for millennia.

So that's why we argue about it. It's our tradition. If you don't like our tradition, butt out and go take care of your own traditions. I'm not being mean or angry here, I'm just sayin'.

The second thing: why does every new "ancient" text or artifact that pops up stir up immediate opposition by so many Christians? Well, it's because our faith is founded on a very carefully selected set of writings from the first century A.D. While some non-Christians (i.e., outsiders who don't "get" our traditions) may take delight in promoting "new" texts that appear to contradict the Canon of Scripture--because they're mostly ch!tt-disturbers, in my experience--these texts are almost always the same old crap that's been popping up since the 2nd or 3rd century, and which has been cataloged in the Pulp Fiction aisle of the theological library for the better part of 2000 years.

99% of Christians are largely ignorant of the history of the early Church, from the time of the Acts of the Apostles to the Fall of Jerusalem in AD 70. This was a time of enormous expansion of the Church, but the very cool part about it was that while the number of Christians exploded over the course of a few decades, the geographic expansion was very small. This meant that pretty much EVERYone knew somebody who actually knew, was taught by, and witnessed the miracles of Jesus. And the Jews, who comprised the early majority of Christians, were/are real sticklers for THE TRUTH.

This means nobody could bullsh!t about the Gospel of Christ. Posers were recognized and cast out immediately. You couldn't hide behind an internet handle in those days. You were either the real deal, or you got stoned to death. Sometimes you even got stoned to death if you WERE the real deal, so being a poser wasn't exactly a high-paying gig, you know what I'm saying? Oh, and keep in mind that in the First Century it wasn't like today, when any schmoe can write a book and publish it online... if you wrote a book then, the only way it got published was if other people agreed that it was really good stuff, and copied it out by hand for other folks to read.

So the people who actually wrote down the life, words, teachings, and miracles of Jesus were guys who actually knew him. If someone didn't really know him and TELL THE TRUTH as it was known by hundreds of first-hand witnesses, their scribblings would've been ignored. If not burned and the author stoned to death. By the early 2nd Century, the de facto Canon of Scripture we know as the New Testament had been pretty much agreed upon by the vast majority of Church leaders and scholars, based on a very tight-knit history they all shared.

Mark wrote his Gospel first, probably within about 20 years of Jesus' death and resurrection. John's gospel was probably written within a few years of the Fall of Jerusalem, Matthew and Luke somewhere in between. Lots of other folks wrote down their memories of the events, too, but for the most part these were ignored by the Church because the majority of the Churches thought they were incomplete, contained too many untruths, or were flawed in other ways. The four main Gospels were endorsed and widely circulated as a result.

Now, there were some dissenters (as there always are in human affairs) and they started up their own versions of church that were anywhere from slightly wonky to batsh!t-crazy. And by the early 3rd Century, enough of these outliers existed that the orthodox Church had no choice but to lay down the law--in keeping with ancient Judeo-Christian traditions of heterodoxy--and they held a series of councils in which the majority of Christian leaders and scholars said what was the truest material in keeping with the historical writings of Church Fathers. All of batsh!t-crazy gospels were ch!tt-canned at that time, but all manner of non-believers keep bringing them up as "proof" against the Christian religion.

So that's why we care about somebody resurrecting (pun intended) some piece of batsh!t-crazy "Christian" writing from the 6th Century. Our forefathers worked really, really hard to clean up the true story about Jesus for us. They paid for it with their blood and their very lives, and we owe them a debt for that.

And that's why we tend to be derisive and dismissive about "ancient" texts that get "discovered" that were written at least 500 years after the Biblical texts we endorse. It's part of our tradition.

People who aren't Bible-believing Christians can say and think what they like for themselves, but they can't expect us not to defend our religion, our tradition, our history is something precious to us, and we don't care to have fools who are ignorant of our tradition and our history to pass off their ignorance as valid opinion.

No, I was referring to AS, fester. AS discredits HIM.

Jag.


Google books of bible not included in bibles.
Bunch of em.....

Who made those decisions not to include em back in the day.
Man......
Those books are gods words also are they not....

There's no necessary contradiction between the Genesis account of the events within the Garden of Eden (understood poetically) and evolution. At some point, there had to be a first man, at which point God could have separated him out, breathed a soul into him, and from him made Eve. Adam's parents could very well (consistent with the Genesis account) have been physiologically identical to himself, but only lacking something that would have made them fully human in God's eyes.

Thanks for posting that. It reads that some States do indeed still require the old oath. I see that web address is for the Freedom From Religion website, not sure they are my endall reference to the Constitution.

Ok hawk, you have to elaborate a bit more......

I have read some of them.

Made some religious groups uncomfortable and were deleted. I think they explain a lot.

+1

Of course you do. You might be a Christian, but I see no indications you are one of the radical nutty fundamentalist Christians. There's over 30,000 flavors of Christianity, and they are not all equal. But for some who are, scientific realities such as and old Earth, Evolution, and in some cases, even a round earth are a threat to their faith and the conditions they believe necessary for an eternal afterlife in paradise.

Ringman, it’s more than OK with me for you to use this discourse between DocRocket and I anytime and wherever you want. It’s public information and you don’t need permission. Also, although it was a good discourse, I stand by what I said...

“If ones personal faith and belief in The Messiah is threatened by what others say or believe, or by what ancient manuscripts contain...then maybe the problem isn't with what others say or believe, or with what ancient manuscripts contain.”

My faith and belief in Jesus is not threatened by what others say or believe, or by what ancient manuscripts contain. At all.

Hope you’re well. Hope you have a good day.

Dividing cells, life in general is no doubt a amazing miracle, I just dont believe it is due to divine intervention, hard to just blindly accept traditional christian beliefs that are meant to somehow explain what you cant see, smell, hear or physically feel.... yet evolution is clearly evident........

Are you using "yet evolution is clearly evident" meaning from the Big Bang to the present? Other than life exists what evidence is there for abiogenesis?

Which of the 4,972 religions do you believers believe in?

I merely conveyed the proposition that there's plenty of room for interpretation, within the Genesis account of creation and man's origin, without contradicting what we understand to be true via scientific discovery. They are not mutually exclusive.

Oh, it is indeed evidence. Not proof for you, but testimony. Testimony. Think about it. Testimony is accepted in courts of law.

It is also an explanation for the origin of faith.

Heard a story once about a man blind from birth who denied the existence of light because he had never seen it, never felt it and he rejected the testimony of the sighted people around him.

Not missing any education...
Nice innuendo shot attempt though.
Which is typical of people that wanta preach to people that dont wanta hear them spread their belief.
A mission from god.
With just a little smugness for a side dish......


Canons were conducted by men not divine beings.
Men with power or men with power behind them deciding and influencing what they wanted in the bible thruout various times .

King charles lost his head basically as a result from his Father king james creating his bible and all that was lost in its translations coming outta the protestant reformation times...
Those 2 cats thought they were devine and above god also.

The KJV bible endures to this day.
Cut copied pasted edited by man in the 1600,s......
Even had a little tiff associated with it called the english civil war...

Getting deep!

I agree with the editing...... copy paste to fit some narrative.

I've studied the Scientific Method and have applied it many years inside of laboratory settings AND in the field.
It's obvious to anyone with one mg of intellectual HONESTY that their belief system is based upon FAITH rather than any SCIENTIFIC METHODOLOGY. I am Not here to debate true science because it will fall upon your deaf ears. What REALLY matters is where you will spend eternity.

Regardless of where you stand on this issue of macroevolutionism,
I have provided you with more than a billion dollars worth of information above. IF you have ears to hear and eyes to see what it says about the faith of Jesus, it is in your best interest to consider.

Dude ....
Dont get em any more riled up...

I need ta go feed the rattle snakes.
Makes less active for sunday somewhat...

Cause some nut job read a passage in the KJV back in colonial days.
Who couldn't make a living any other way and started a spinoff church...

😂

God didn't literally, using his hands, mold Adam from the muck of the earth (as it's poetically described in Genesis). Just like God didn't literally deliver Israel from an iron furnace, as it's described in Deuteronomy. The latter was a poetical way of stating that it was harsh for the Israelites in Egypt. God molding Adam from muck, similarly, refers to Adam's origins stemming from inorganic matter.

In your shaded highlights.

I always thought God was the creator and Jesus his son.

The meals for me part is subject to beliefs also.

How do you know, hawk?

Do you not find the existence of life rather compelling evidence...?

Testimony in courts is based on observed events.
To be proved or disproved by facts.
None of us alive today can testify about observed events in biblical times.

That God didn't pull Israel from an iron furnace? Just doesn't make sense interpreted literally. Was there enough iron to even build a furnace that large? Makes much more sense that it was poetical.

I went to the Painted Desert last year. When in the visitors center by the petrified forest, I started telling everyone how this was all a big hoax, because it didnt fit into the bibles narrative...

God was playing a big joke on us with all that petrified rainforest we were standing, in the middle of Ari freaking zona hahahahahaha


They looked at me just as freaking crazy as I look at all of Jag’s posts hahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You win!

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Yes. Six-day Genesis literalism simply isn't scientifically defensible.

I am not referring to biblical times. I am giving testimony as to the source and reality of my faith....here and now, in these times.

God is active today. I testify to that.

Yeah ok. Not arguing here, just asking. How do you know?
Isn’t there more to the story?

Again, just asking, not trying to be confrontational.

Just like them gold tablets dude "seen" and started the mormon stuff.

Just saying....

😂

Jag aint nuts.
He believes in god.
But he knew this thread would go big.
He has us on strings right now.
LOL!!!

I'm cutting mine
Threads like this go round and round and round.
Its a belief/ opinon thread.

Jag is a jedi master.........

Nah dude, thats Jared Leto... he threw me off too...

No, Rene. Here's proof. Flynn is insane.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...ane-national-security-adviser-trump.html

I posted all what you see below on a previous thread....

Yes you were whether you realize it or not.
You used the court analogy as a basis about faith testimony.
Everything beleived in christianity is based on biblical events in the bible none of us alive today event observed.
Faith testimony .....

Versus observed verifiable one way or the other event testimony in court.

2 different things.

Those dudes are brilliant.

I have another brb

Yes, and satan too. BLM, Piglosis satanic pin, Schiefty, Hill n Bill and Zeros acts testify to that.

Jag......

Ahhhhhhhhhhh.....

Didnt read the link...

Sorry......




BTW

Where in da hell in de fugg is Sandbilly????

Nothing is real. We're all living in the Matrix. Nothing else explains the insanity of the world.

Evil condones evil.
Thats why evil gets away with schitt....

They all multiplyed and became Liberal Socialist Democrats ...
The brown acid effects became generational thru fugged up dna....

Don’t eat the brown acid 🤣

Lmfao...

Religious money scoopers are just following
the model in Bible.
Jesus gave up carpentry in Nazareth and convinced
others in paying jobs (fisherman, Tax collector].. to join
him in his new ministry in Capernaum.,.. there they
sustained themselves on donations.

Keep cutting those checks to your preacher boys. Remember 10%. Don't be short changing the lord. He knows everything. 15% might get you into a gold membership.

Wooooo freaking whooooooo!
Party on people!
I’ would have ate 2 of those bad acids....

None of the BullShlt choices listed, the mangy dog that I am, when my heart stops beating, I am dead, it's over, nothing else, just like a regular dog, to believe in an afterlife is sorcery/witchcraft etc, etc!

Keep on trucking dude with the big foot forward blotter.....

Just saying....

LOL!!!

I’m sure jimmy woke the crowd around 6am with the anthem......

Wanna trip together my friend?
😉

In which case God is irrelevant to the evolution of life and whatever happens in the world. Which is the same as no God at all.

Dude those days stopped in early 1983.
LOL!!!
Enjoy talking about em.

LOL!!!

This is the second time you posted this drivel.

You're stupid.

The big bang happened 13,800,000,000 billion years ago. Life started about 10,000,000,000 years later. That's a 10 billion year difference, for those who are mathematically challenged.

Genesis describes special creation in six literal days, mornings evenings, etc, not natural evolution over billions of years. Two entirely different things.

Me to....

Mid 90s is when I got boring....
Stopped, quit.... don’t i could enjoy a trip these days.! Lol!

I just noticed your avatar... assuming the band? I last saw them back when 10,000 days was new, but was one of my most memorable shows....

I just saw Bush in Vegas right before the Covid, that was the best show ever for me....

What or who was god.
What or where did he come from or begin.
Higher power or benevolent creator or combo of both.
Science and Faith intertwined?
Faith and Science intertwined?
Soul have an afterlife?
Near death experiences documented.
We already know evil exist thruout history and now.
That has shown itself plenty of times seen and felt.
Undeniable...

Good needs ta show up and prove itself outside of faith.
Something tangible you can see and feel.
Cant deny.....


Good vs Evil
Evil vs Good.

Good needs to win....

If the world and life on this earth are God's creation, and evolution was a very clever way that God used to achieve His creative objectives, that hardly makes Him “irrelevant to the evolution of life and whatever happens in the world”. And it most certainly is not “the same as no God at all”.

Every once in awhile .
Get the flutter side vision, little feeling of disconnected euphoria, but totally in control and know it.
30 45 second flashback.
3 4 6 9 yrs once in awhile.
Never can tell.

Undetectable and free.


Lol!!!
Has happened in some strange situations.
Helicoptor rides.
Big training meetings.
Dean of a college office.
Bayonet assualt course.
Totally in control functioning per the situation.
IIRC was with slumlord hunting during the last one.
Think he was jealous cause I let him know I was riding a freebie.

Just enjoying the moment in all cases.

LOL!!!

The one constant in the universe as we know it is gravity.
Maybe gravity is the root effect of it all as science understands.
Right now....

But what created gravity and what was before gravity.

I take it you believe in a 6000 year old universe, then. How do you explain the geologic column and radiometric dating?

You literalists have painted yourselves into a corner with that position.

Creative objectives? What may they be? The dinosaurs didn't work out?

Do we accept testimony in a court of law from Anonymous sources?

All I can say is......someday we'll see who's right, won't we?

Sheesh, just asking.

So, now we actually have 2 real big bangs to contemplate (Just as my question was designed to reveal).

Since you're so smart, where did the stuff come from that made the big bang that created the universe?

Universe is expanding now per science.
What is outside of the universe.
Universe contracts from gravity between objects eventually per theory.
Or is some other force acting on expansion outside the universe
Pushing it inward then allowing objects to use gravity to ontract down to one concentrated point again for another big bang

When did cycle start.
What did this cycle start from??

Schitt we will probably never know.
Could this theory of the big bang be a faith based belief also like religon in many ways.


Wish Gus would chime in...

LOL!!!

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:...
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:". Colossians 1

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This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:6-7

The Word here is The Living Word, Jesus the Christ.
He demonstrated His Power through miracles and fulfilling hundreds of specific prophecies. Yes, Jesus made food. Thousands of potential critics could have interviewed thousands from the town's that heard Him teach and written all kinds of books discounting the books written by the Apostles IF they didn't happen.

The fact is that He will either become your Savior or your Judge someday. It's not difficult to believe Him. What is difficult is trying to save yourself.
(Please see the video link above for the details of how to bypass judgement....IF a few short minutes is worth considering the message that Jesus gave on how to stay out of a Lake of Fire forever.)

Please see the quote below about those who will be judged by all their good looks and coming up short.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Quoting Jesus

Note:
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

What is the will of the Father in heaven?
Answer:
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Quoting Jesus

Your choices guys

Yeah dude.... covid just canceled my next show in Sacramento
Damn my luck.

Not if there's no existence beyond death.

Like I noted earlier, either dumber or more dishonest by the day.

Wanna hear a funny story?
To bad ya going to....

Grabbed a Uber this morning....... the driver, a black dude(not that it matters) picked me up.

Long story short, we found out we both served on the same USN ship.
Small world. He was on board the USS Paul F. Foster:
First ship to launch tomahawks into Iraq.

Pretty cool talking to this guy.....

Small military world.

Why should anyone believe anything the Bible claims?

😂

For someone who proclaims to be so smart, you're so dense. If there's no existence beyond death, YOU would be right, I'd be wrong. Vice versa, I'm right and you're wrong. It ain't that hard even for the swine.

Matt 7:6
"Give not that which is holy to the dogs, nor throw your pearls to the swine; otherwise they will trample them under their feet and then turn and attack you.

As you know, parents have a huge influence upon their kids. You're betting the lives of your kids that you're right. That's a highly egotistical and not so lofty position to be in.

Thank you Captain Cut and Paste...

Means alot to me I got ya ta dig that up and post it.
Researching for words you think might have some impact and time you cant get back.
Or a deposit on the rent either....
You just proved my point of smugness that exist in some people concerning belief.

LOL!!!

Evolution isn't a theory. Theory is explaining how evolution works. Both fact and theory.

The Romans had overruling authority regarding
capitol punishment. ~ jus gladii ~.You could not
just go around stoning people to death.

The Sanhedrin held their own trial of Jesus before
bringing him before Pontius Pilate, because Rome
allowed the subjugated to run their own affairs to
a large degree.. They could have metted out a variety
of penalties to Jesus without need to bring him to
Pilate....The reason they brought JC to Pilate is that
the Sanhedrin trial had concluded that the penalty
should be Death....the catch was Jews had conceded
authority to implement Capitol Punishment to Rome.
Thus the presentation before Pilate to seek the death
penalty they themselves could not sanction.
[Sanhedrin say this themselves in scripture].

********

Wrongman and DocCrockofCrap need to do better
homework before sprouting.

If there is a God and God 'so loved the world,' being omnipotent, the world would be an entirely different place. And please, not the free will rationale.

Some people see ‘Christians’ as judgmental moralists who think that they are the only ones going to heaven...and they seem to relish the notion that everyone else (who doesn’t believe as they do) are going to hell.

Is amazing how big a fool you make if yourself.

"The Theory of Evolution" is indeed a scientific theory. It's the prevailing theory, and has yet to be disproved. At the same time, it's a fact, since the evidence is so overwhelming as not to be doubted by any rational person. There are also companion evolution theories, i.e., explaining certain disputed aspects of evolution, e.g., punctuated equilibrium.

You just summed it up....
Nailed it actually!!!
I added the word " some" to your post though.
No need to post anymore on this thread for me.
Thanks Antlers!!!

No.

It's you who failed to understand. If there is no existence beyond death, you will never know because there will be no "you" to experience that there is nothing to experience.

Some?

Don't you man most?

Yep.
Threatening the souls of my children is such an honest tactic.

My navy seal bud, tony, asked me if I ever spent a season in the abyss.
Lol

RIP Tony Comeree❤️

Odd response.

Anyway, the sources are not anonymous and you know that...... but you would never admit that.

The fact is there a numerous firsthand and “eyewitness” testimonies. I am just one of many.

BUT, if you choose not to believe, then so be it.

Religion is based on fear, and capitalises on fear.

[email]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g8xScxmekQk[/email]

Now you are just being dishonest. I expected better from you, but welcome to the world of Doc Eyeball.

Use brains and detailed rational enquiry research
.. Why what is this man thinking!

Why not just stay a gullible village idiot drugged
out on comforting middle eastern mythology?

So many things OPs video are just ridiculous. It’s truly is for the “believers”.....of fallacy. And I am a Christian, but there’s lots of false narrative in that link...

Yes, it was posted to "stir the pot", we hadn't had a good debate on the subject for a while now. Now that COVID-19 and FLOYD-20 are starting to settle down...

Your problem is it is neither creation centered or scientific.

You ignore the nature of theory in science, which is used a narrative to explain actual observations and actual evidence. The evidence for evolution is more than sufficient to have proven the reality of evolution.

What remains is building on our understanding of how it works, which is where theory comes into it.

The theory of evolution is both fact and theory.

Who wrote the Gospels had no knowledge of most of the world or the many large civilizations that lived in it during the time they wrote the Bible.

An eyewitness to what?

If the earth were billions of years old, then nuclear decay would have made all uranium turn in to lead by now. Uranium therefore can't be that old. Also, an agnostic scientist said granite rock could not be formed by evolution. Granite is 5% uranium and the uranium is thoroughly mixed evenly in granite. He said it is like taking an Alka-Selzer while still fizzing and freeze it instantly. He said granite had to be created instantly. He also said they tried to recreate granite in a lab with the same atoms and material. They cannot do it by heat or by cold. It always separates. This scientist became a Christian because of granite rock and proof that it had to be created instantly.

Evolution also violates one of the laws of thermodynamics which states everything is in a state of decay, not evolving upward.

These two facts totally destroy evolution theory. Also, I though only communist athiests believe in evolution.

Mutations are not evolution. No existing animal is or has evolved into another. Mutated maybe but not evolved. Dogs and wolves can recreate, because they are in the same family of animals. Grizzlies and Polar bears can breed. Humans share 98% of DNA of [bleep], but we can't breed because we are entirely different and unique species. Wolves cannot breed with hyenas. Similar, but different species.

Related Q.s

Some say God is somewhere beyond the universe,
— so where was God before the universe?

Some say God is beyond our 3D physical dimension,
— In Bible it says they found God in a small
wooden box decorated in gold.

I guess you have not heard of the Miller experiment and the billions of dollars and no telling how many hours highly educated scientists have spent over the last 65 years only to discover life comes from life. I find the existence of life as prima facia evidence that life is created by an Infinite Intelligent Energy we call God.

Even Crick said the DNA molecule is so complex it is miraculous. But rather than give glory to God, he invented panspermia. In other words, spacemen brought it. Of course my question is, from where did the spacemen come?

That's a very Christian explanation.

Who the heck says for sure the first seven days were actually 24 hours each?

You are correct. But we have scientists called aerologists who study history. None of the stories of the Bible have been proven untrue and many, many have been confirmed by them.

He doesnt chose not to believe. He has no choice or he has already made it. As the LORD said, he has scales on his eyes.

And dishonest.

He omit's the part where you also have to reject uniformitarianism to make his hypothesis work:

http://apps.usd.edu/esci/creation/age/content/creationism_and_young_earth/accelerated_decay.html

If not rock, there's always the Ray Comfort
Cavendish banana method of turning folks
into instant christians... 😂

Aerologist are a branch of meteorology. What exactly do meteorologist know about history, and how do they prove the Bible to be true?

So are you saying there would have been life without the Big Bang?

He's saying you are too stupid to understand that the big bang falls under Cosmology, and Evolution if part of Biology, and that Biology does not explain Cosmology and vise versa.

12 now, going to 20 pages???

6 Pages.

You need to fix your pages to fit a lot more quality viewing at one time.

One either believes in God's Word and the Flood, which accounts for all the geologic column and fossils or one believes in fossils forming over millions of years. There are dozens of experiments showing fossils form in as little as days and weeks and months depending on what kind. Where are the fossils of American bison? After all millions died a rather short.

Radiometric dating is a whole nother kettle of fish. You start with assumptions and carry those assumptions forward and then conclude with assumptions.
The folks at Institute For Creation Research have been dong testing for years and have made some rather exciting discoveries. Check out the RATE project.

Which I already discredited above.

You are forgetting entropy. With each collapse there would be less free energy for the next Big Bang. Eventually there would be only a total heat death.

It says so in Genesis, specifying the morning of the first day, the evening, the morning of the second day, etc. Epochs or eons don't have a morning and an evening, they have countless mornings and evenings....

Whats the lord say about you being so adamant about him, making so many mistakes with his creations... like blacks, gays, snakes, and oddly enough sharks???

Such a fine specimen of a Christian you are, lmao...

Crickets...