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From the Federalist, excellent article, one you get past the 1st paragraph or 2..

The real problem is that conservatives have no real unified leadership & no real spokesmen................Trump isn't much or an orator, & is not really a good speaker with persuasive powers; unfortunately, virtually no one else is, except maybe for Ted Cruz when he really wants to take up a matter.

MM

American Conservatives at Pivot Point in history

American conservatism as of late has faced a schism largely centered around a debate between New York Post Opinion Page Editor Sohrab Ahmari and David French of the Dispatch (disclosure: I write for the Post). It began with Ahmari’s critique of what he called Frenchism, which loosely means a conservatism that relies too heavily on court decisions and liberal procedure to protect the common good.

This week’s decision in Bostock in which the Supreme Court, according to many conservatives, did the legislature’s job for them in defining “sex” to include sexual orientation and gender identification seems irrefutably a vindication for the army of Ahmariism. The common good conservative argument championed by him and others such as Adrian Vermeule is obviously bolstered any time the courts veer away from original intent and procedures towards the incorporation of public opinion.

As is so often the case, American history shows us a situation similar to this. There are no roads in the American journey that we have not passed by before, and this time the subject of use is James Madison. During the Constitutional Convention and the ratification process, Madison believed that the structure of the document and new government it framed would be strong enough to protect against public opinion, party, or faction.

So diffused was the representation he thought, and so limiting of power the checks and balances that no one interested party or set of interested parties would be able to steer the ship of the state alone. But by the early 1790s, Madison found himself in Congress as the leader of the opposition to the Washington administration and the Alexander Hamilton-led Federalists. The mercantile class, in Madison’s view was running roughshod over the agrarian South and he believed violating the constitution.

It is at this point that Madison makes an astounding reversal. Suddenly he needed public opinion. Furthermore, the founder who most detested political parties was about to found one with Thomas Jefferson. What Madison learned was that no system, regardless of how magisterial, could on its own secure the freedom and liberty of its citizens. The best it can do is to offer a fair marketplace of ideas.

Conservatives need to ponder and understand this Madisonian moment. The fault of Frenchism is that it relies upon the structure of the Constitution, just as Madison had, to protect against government overreach. But it does so at a time when the marketplace of ideas is shrinking into a progressive media culture that brooks no opposition. The Constitution is a backstop, but it does not in and of itself create the common good, it leaves that to us.

Conservatives must demand to be part of the conversation about drag queens preforming for toddlers, or kids being taught they are inherently racist. We have to be loud when addressing those who would censor newspapers or defund websites. A robust and effective conservative movement founded on the reverence of Western values cannot be achieved by treating the Constitution as the Alamo, just waiting to get wiped out.

For decades conservatives have relied on the courts to protect them from an onslaught of progressive culture war victories. Too shy to announce a full-throated defense of American values, conservatives have veered into a relativism that the left does not reciprocate. We disagree with their ideas, they just call us racist. There is no court in the world that can redress that imbalance.

Just as Madison came to realize that he had to fight for his vision of America, even if it meant succumbing to politicking and party, American conservatives today must commit to a war of public opinion in which we spell out plainly the disaster that progressives are promising for the country. This is not the time to make the other side’s best argument for them, it is the time to crush illiberal and immoral ideas that will leave us bereft of our rights.

If the events of the past two weeks, from the toppling of statues to the banning of movies to the retiring of brand ambassadors and yes, to the Bostock decision, do not wake up the sleepy conservatives snuggled in judicial gowns then nothing will. America and what it stands for is under assault.

It’s time to stop playing defense. Like Madison, we must open our eyes to the fact that politics is inherently about power, not just resisting power, but also asserting it. If we go too far, let the other side rely on the courts and the constitution for a little while.

Madison would go on to become president, but perhaps more importantly his Democratic-Republican Party would as the name suggests eventually branch into both of our modern parties. He knew when to fight. That is a lesson the right is badly in need of today.

David Marcus is the Federalist's New York Correspondent. Follow him on Twitter, @BlueBoxDave.
Seems like that would be a pretty good article if it were written in English.
"It's time to stop playing defense..."

Agree.
Originally Posted by Fireball2
"It's time to stop playing defense..."

Agree.



Yet, where are our supposedly "conservative leaders"...??

MIA


Again.

Fugging pathetic. mad
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by Fireball2
"It's time to stop playing defense..."

Agree.


Yet, where are our supposedly "conservative leaders"...??

MIA


Again.

Fugging pathetic. mad
Most are controlled opposition, bought-and-paid-for as surely as the Dems they "oppose".
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Seems like that would be a pretty good article if it were written in English.


Are you a little sluggish today? I know it's not really over your head............................... wink

MM
I couldn’t care less about how good of an orator a supposedly conservative politician is. Just make the schit happen. Do what you said you’d do. What you do or don’t do speaks much louder than anything you say.
Yes it is time to remove the democrat anti-American/socialist/communist from our government.
Originally Posted by antlers
I couldn’t care less about how good of an orator a supposedly conservative politician is. Just make the schit happen. Do what you said you’d do. What you do or don’t do speaks much louder than anything you say.


Nonetheless, you still need to recruit / persuade a very significant part of the population to your way of thinking................otherwise you end up with a dictatorship.

MM
Trouble is too many so-called "Conservatives" are really just libertines dressed up in "Constitutionalism". They really support sodomy, immigration that lacks discrimination, the elimination of our Judeo-Christian basis, and drug use.
Over half of the supposedly conservatives on here are easily manipulated small picture beta males who are affected/offended by one tweet and will willingly abandoned their life long belief system and values because of just a tweet they disagree with.

What does this tell you about our current culture?
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Trouble is too many so-called "Conservatives" are really just libertines dressed up in "Constitutionalism". They really support sodomy, immigration that lacks discrimination, the elimination of our Judeo-Christian basis, and drug use.



Tucker has been hell on the so called 'conservatives' lately.
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by antlers
I couldn’t care less about how good of an orator a supposedly conservative politician is. Just make the schit happen. Do what you said you’d do. What you do or don’t do speaks much louder than anything you say.


Nonetheless, you still need to recruit / persuade a very significant part of the population to your way of thinking................otherwise you end up with a dictatorship.

MM



We’re going to end up with a dictatorship one way or another. Liberal democracy has failed. Sorry to disappoint you but you can't vote your way out at this point.

There are no conservative leaders. Conservatives somehow haven’t managed to conserve a damned thing. Ever.
Originally Posted by billhilly
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by antlers
I couldn’t care less about how good of an orator a supposedly conservative politician is. Just make the schit happen. Do what you said you’d do. What you do or don’t do speaks much louder than anything you say.


Nonetheless, you still need to recruit / persuade a very significant part of the population to your way of thinking................otherwise you end up with a dictatorship.

MM



We’re going to end up with a dictatorship one way or another. Liberal democracy has failed. Sorry to disappoint you but you can't vote your way out at this point.

There are no conservative leaders. Conservatives somehow haven’t managed to conserve a damned thing. Ever.





In the end you are very likely right, but we still need as many on our side as we can get.....................that's the bottom line.

To not challenge all the bull-schitt that the left is shoveling out is not a good thing, no matter what happens in the end.

MM
"Conservatism" has been dead a while now.
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by antlers
I couldn’t care less about how good of an orator a supposedly conservative politician is. Just make the schit happen. Do what you said you’d do. What you do or don’t do speaks much louder than anything you say.
Nonetheless, you still need to recruit / persuade a very significant part of the population to your way of thinking................
I’m persuaded by results and evaluated experience...much more than by what someone says.
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
............otherwise you end up with a dictatorship.
I don’t buy that. Politicians are renowned for being liars. All of em’. Actions and character speak much louder than words.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Trouble is too many so-called "Conservatives" are really just libertines dressed up in "Constitutionalism". They really support sodomy, immigration that lacks discrimination, the elimination of our Judeo-Christian basis, and drug use.


Man I thought i found my label when Trump won and they said it was "Anti establishment Republicans" but this holier than thou rant is even better haha.

1: Supporting Sodomy - I could give a F uck less who or what u screw as long as its not hurting anyone else ,doesn't break any laws, and you pay your taxes

2: Immigration that lacks discrimination- I agree with you on this one. No one walks in with a free pass. If you want to come in the right way I'm all for it.

3: Elimination of the Judeo-Christian Gov't basis. Thomas Jefferson said there needs to be "A wall between Church and State." Just because u believe in a book that has some nice fables in it the whole damn gov't shouldn't be based on it. Period
(Side note to this one haha. Trump walking with that bible in his hand to the church in DC. Do you think if you gave him $100 he could recite one bible verse? I very highly doubt it.)

4:Drug use- I've never taken a drug in my life that wasn't prescribed. Never not once. Never even took a hit off a joint and didn't inhale. That being said i think it all should be legal. The problem would sort itself out in a few years. Let the junkies kill themselves and the prices plummet.

All that being said I'm a pretty right wing person that thinks most liberals are fools. Vote Republican for the big offices. Owned a bunch of guns before the boating accident. Can't stand even the smallest notion of Socialism. Had a nice conversation under my shade tree with one of my local police the other day. But if I'm not "Conservative" to be in your club It breaks my heart (HAHAHAHAHA). Your the guy at work that even the rest of the conservative people have to leave the room when u start up on politics.
Originally Posted by antlers
I couldn’t care less about how good of an orator a supposedly conservative politician is. Just make the schit happen. Do what you said you’d do. What you do or don’t do speaks much louder than anything you say.

People are resistant to change from the status quo until change becomes necessary.
Trump is letting folks figure out change is necessary if they want to continue existing in a civilized society..
Originally Posted by k20350
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Trouble is too many so-called "Conservatives" are really just libertines dressed up in "Constitutionalism". They really support sodomy, immigration that lacks discrimination, the elimination of our Judeo-Christian basis, and drug use.


Man I thought i found my label when Trump won and they said it was "Anti establishment Republicans" but this holier than thou rant is even better haha.

1: Supporting Sodomy - I could give a F uck less who or what u screw as long as its not hurting anyone else ,doesn't break any laws, and you pay your taxes

2: Immigration that lacks discrimination- I agree with you on this one. No one walks in with a free pass. If you want to come in the right way I'm all for it.

3: Elimination of the Judeo-Christian Gov't basis. Thomas Jefferson said there needs to be "A wall between Church and State." Just because u believe in a book that has some nice fables in it the whole damn gov't shouldn't be based on it. Period
(Side note to this one haha. Trump walking with that bible in his hand to the church in DC. Do you think if you gave him $100 he could recite one bible verse? I very highly doubt it.)

4:Drug use- I've never taken a drug in my life that wasn't prescribed. Never not once. Never even took a hit off a joint and didn't inhale. That being said i think it all should be legal. The problem would sort itself out in a few years. Let the junkies kill themselves and the prices plummet.

All that being said I'm a pretty right wing person that thinks most liberals are fools. Vote Republican for the big offices. Owned a bunch of guns before the boating accident. Can't stand even the smallest notion of Socialism. Had a nice conversation under my shade tree with one of my local police the other day. But if I'm not "Conservative" to be in your club It breaks my heart (HAHAHAHAHA). Your the guy at work that even the rest of the conservative people have to leave the room when u start up on politics.
I rest my case.
People like you are intellectually incapable of defending anything like "conservatism". You are incapable of defending your own family from Progressivism. It's just not in your vocabulary. Your own children could tell you they want to be full on sodomites and you'd be incapable of saying anything beyond "Not that there's anything wrong with that." As your legacy dies in front of you.
Is USofA no longer worth fighting for?

g
Originally Posted by GeoW
Is USofA no longer worth fighting for?

g


The tiger awakening is what got Trump elected. Evil is being revealed by the light beginning to shine on it. Trump and the Ds are exposing more of it. Hes sitting back and letting them expose their sinister side.
76 % wanted the NG in DC. 56% wanted the military. This hasn't been seen before.

People may not like Trump but they are fearing the left and not trusting them as evidenced by their buying of guns,,- even more than when under the Zero.

They are starting to fear anarchy.
They are fearing for their country more now from.insane D Policy and are calling for Trump.to do something.

A fearful bluetick backed into its porch will fight to the finish. They are preparing for that fight against who? Not Trump. They are fearing we are history.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by k20350
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Trouble is too many so-called "Conservatives" are really just libertines dressed up in "Constitutionalism". They really support sodomy, immigration that lacks discrimination, the elimination of our Judeo-Christian basis, and drug use.


Man I thought i found my label when Trump won and they said it was "Anti establishment Republicans" but this holier than thou rant is even better haha.

1: Supporting Sodomy - I could give a F uck less who or what u screw as long as its not hurting anyone else ,doesn't break any laws, and you pay your taxes

2: Immigration that lacks discrimination- I agree with you on this one. No one walks in with a free pass. If you want to come in the right way I'm all for it.

3: Elimination of the Judeo-Christian Gov't basis. Thomas Jefferson said there needs to be "A wall between Church and State." Just because u believe in a book that has some nice fables in it the whole damn gov't shouldn't be based on it. Period
(Side note to this one haha. Trump walking with that bible in his hand to the church in DC. Do you think if you gave him $100 he could recite one bible verse? I very highly doubt it.)

4:Drug use- I've never taken a drug in my life that wasn't prescribed. Never not once. Never even took a hit off a joint and didn't inhale. That being said i think it all should be legal. The problem would sort itself out in a few years. Let the junkies kill themselves and the prices plummet.

All that being said I'm a pretty right wing person that thinks most liberals are fools. Vote Republican for the big offices. Owned a bunch of guns before the boating accident. Can't stand even the smallest notion of Socialism. Had a nice conversation under my shade tree with one of my local police the other day. But if I'm not "Conservative" to be in your club It breaks my heart (HAHAHAHAHA). Your the guy at work that even the rest of the conservative people have to leave the room when u start up on politics.
I rest my case.
People like you are intellectually incapable of defending anything like "conservatism". You are incapable of defending your own family from Progressivism. It's just not in your vocabulary. Your own children could tell you they want to be full on sodomites and you'd be incapable of saying anything beyond "Not that there's anything wrong with that." As your legacy dies in front of you.



HAHA Your a trip. Keep up the good fight. Just curious. What exactly do you say to your kid that says he is a "sodomite(LOL")? What sage wisdom does someone like yourself bestow on such a person to change their sexual orientation? I bet you sit them down with your bible and give them a good solid religious lesson and turn them right around.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
I rest my case.
If what you’ve presented above...which k20350 responded to...is ‘your’ case (in particular “supporting sodomy”, elimination of the Judeo-Christian Gov't basis, and drug use) then ‘your’ case is a losing case indeed. Overwhelming so. And rightfully so.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
People like you are intellectually incapable of defending anything like "conservatism". You are incapable of defending your own family from Progressivism. It's just not in your vocabulary. Your own children could tell you they want to be full on sodomites and you'd be incapable of saying anything beyond "Not that there's anything wrong with that." As your legacy dies in front of you.
Translation = Burn em’ at the stake for bein’ a heretic. Burn em’ at the stake for not believing the way I demand that they believe.
Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by Tyrone
I rest my case.
If what you’ve presented above...which k20350 responded to...is ‘your’ case (in particular “supporting sodomy”, elimination of the Judeo-Christian Gov't basis, and drug use) then ‘your’ case is a losing case indeed. Overwhelming so. And rightfully so.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
People like you are intellectually incapable of defending anything like "conservatism". You are incapable of defending your own family from Progressivism. It's just not in your vocabulary. Your own children could tell you they want to be full on sodomites and you'd be incapable of saying anything beyond "Not that there's anything wrong with that." As your legacy dies in front of you.
Translation = Burn em’ at the stake for bein’ a heretic. Burn em’ at the stake for not believing the way I demand that they believe.



Guys a maniac. I'm not his way of conservative or maybe its not Republican enough.
Originally Posted by jaguartx

They are starting to fear anarchy.
They are fearing for their country more now from.insane D Policy and are calling for Trump.to do something.



Exactly why we need more from more people in the GOP in supporting Trump on all fronts..................Trump cannot do it all himself & I really don't see enough genuine, visible vocal, public support from the rest of the GP or conservatives or whatever label you want to stick on them.

Tucker Carlson does more good for our cause than any other conservative in either house of Congress.

MM
They are seeing that the Rinos also aren't doing anything also. Just more reason to turn against the left and deep state the rinos are part of.

There is no point in Trump acting until a vast majority wants to exact real and lasting change.

As more evil is revealed, more will realize it's going to be guns or Trump. Then they will support the lying MSM, Hollywood, Commies, lieberals, progressives and DNC being taken down.

Finally, we are starting to see the awakening of AAs
My issue with Trump is that he spends *way* too much time pandering to elements on the left at the expense of his genuine supporters on the right.

He's getting bad advice from elements on the right who are actually representatives for the left. They've convinced Trump that the path ahead is to convert those on the left. But their actual agenda is to manipulate the Trump administration in a manner that empowers the left.

Jared Kushner is the mouthpiece for the subversive faction that is masquerading as conservatives.
Originally Posted by k20350
HAHA Your a trip. Keep up the good fight. Just curious. What exactly do you say to your kid that says he is a "sodomite(LOL")? What sage wisdom does someone like yourself bestow on such a person to change their sexual orientation? I bet you sit them down with your bible and give them a good solid religious lesson and turn them right around.
If you actually knew any people who engaged in sodomy, you'd know that it isn't an immutable characteristic of their being. One thing I do is give them some facts. https://pastebin.com/nxJ0hnGt

You are the perfect example of why Conservatism always bows down to Progressivism. It's the Don'tGiveaDamnism that defies reality. For immigration, you are incapable of figuring out why incompatible immigration is bad, in spite of examples of diverse lands like the Balkans. You say you want all drugs legal and to just let people starve and die. But yet, you cannot wrap your head around that, even after the worst economic incident since even the Great Depression, welfare is as strong as ever and still pays people for their worst screw ups. Not that you give a damn about families who have lost loved ones to drugs anyway.

Yes, people love me at the water cooler - because I'm one of the few people that doesn't talk down to them when their child becomes involved in drugs or when their family dies because their only child chose the "gay lifestyle". I don't talk down to them when they lose their jobs to some H1B visa either.

But, good luck my friend! I sincerely hope that you have the perfect life & family and never have to wake up from your fantasy!
Originally Posted by k20350
Guys a maniac. I'm not his way of conservative or maybe its not Republican enough.
You aren't conservative, you just don't give a damn about anyone other than yourself.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by k20350
HAHA Your a trip. Keep up the good fight. Just curious. What exactly do you say to your kid that says he is a "sodomite(LOL")? What sage wisdom does someone like yourself bestow on such a person to change their sexual orientation? I bet you sit them down with your bible and give them a good solid religious lesson and turn them right around.
If you actually knew any people who engaged in sodomy, you'd know that it isn't an immutable characteristic of their being. One thing I do is give them some facts. https://pastebin.com/nxJ0hnGt

You are the perfect example of why Conservatism always bows down to Progressivism. It's the Don'tGiveaDamnism that defies reality. For immigration, you are incapable of figuring out why incompatible immigration is bad, in spite of examples of diverse lands like the Balkans. You say you want all drugs legal and to just let people starve and die. But yet, you cannot wrap your head around that, even after the worst economic incident since even the Great Depression, welfare is as strong as ever and still pays people for their worst screw ups. Not that you give a damn about families who have lost loved ones to drugs anyway.

Yes, people love me at the water cooler - because I'm one of the few people that doesn't talk down to them when their child becomes involved in drugs or when their family dies because their only child chose the "gay lifestyle". I don't talk down to them when they lose their jobs to some H1B visa either.

But, good luck my friend! I sincerely hope that you have the perfect life & family and never have to wake up from your fantasy!




You have no idea what your talking about but I admire your zeal. I have an Uncle who has been gay for 67 years. You know back when it was real bad for your health to be gay if anyone knew. I don't think your linking him a pdf file is going to change hismind. He's a good man respected in his community, been with the same partner for 40 years, self made millionaire, very charitable. This ones going to cause you to short circuit ...he's a deacon of a large church. In fact gifted the church a new Steinway last year. The mans never hurt anyone in his life. Who cares if he bangs a dude. Its preposterous. I think I'll send him your link so he can have a laugh.
The Ds are between a rock and a hard place. How can they win? Destroy Trumps economy.
How do they do that? Go insane and off the deep end.

If they dont destroy the economy, they lose.

If they go off the deep end, they lose.

That's why they are losing it. They have a brain melting fever.

You think they are crazy now, with until decals and Barr and Durham reveal more of their traitorous schiett and it connected to the MSM and Hollywood
Originally Posted by jaguartx
The Ds are between a rock and a hard place. How can they win? Destroy Trumps economy.
How do they do that? Go insane and off the deep end.

If they dont destroy the economy, they lose.

If they go off the deep end, they lose.

That's why they are losing it. They have a brain melting fever.

You think they are crazy now, with until decals and Barr and Durham reveal more of their traitorous schiett and it connected to the MSM and Hollywood




They don’t have a fever, they have religion. The “woke” virtue signaling is what has replaced God and we’re in the middle of another “awakening”. Ain’t nobody thinking about the consequences or the reasons behind this. They’re in the middle of a secular “revival” movement and they’re all filled with the spirit.
Originally Posted by k20350
You have no idea what your talking about but I admire your zeal. I have an Uncle who has been gay for 67 years. You know back when it was real bad for your health to be gay if anyone knew. I don't think your linking him a pdf file is going to change hismind. He's a good man respected in his community, been with the same partner for 40 years, self made millionaire, very charitable. This ones going to cause you to short circuit ...he's a deacon of a large church. In fact gifted the church a new Steinway last year. The mans never hurt anyone in his life. Who cares if he bangs a dude. Its preposterous. I think I'll send him your link so he can have a laugh.
Wow! That's VERY successful!
Maybe you should suck a d!ck so you can be successful too.
there are some good points there. The big problem is that there are NO 'conservative' leaders. Once Trump is out of the picture, we are going to collapse.
Yes, Sam, it's very funny. k20350 posts just to attack me and obviously is too stupid to address the point of the original post. He's too stupid to see that he is the "conservative" that the OP was referring to. The guy couldn't conserve a gold coin - he couldn't see the value in it. Classic nihilist.


I'm SURE he'll come back with a better explanation than mine. /sarc
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by k20350
You have no idea what your talking about but I admire your zeal. I have an Uncle who has been gay for 67 years. You know back when it was real bad for your health to be gay if anyone knew. I don't think your linking him a pdf file is going to change hismind. He's a good man respected in his community, been with the same partner for 40 years, self made millionaire, very charitable. This ones going to cause you to short circuit ...he's a deacon of a large church. In fact gifted the church a new Steinway last year. The mans never hurt anyone in his life. Who cares if he bangs a dude. Its preposterous. I think I'll send him your link so he can have a laugh.
Wow! That's VERY successful!
Maybe you should suck a d!ck so you can be successful too.

Your as bad as the far left loonies, which isn't all that bad. Personally I'm against gay marriage, interracial marriage, but what you do is your business. Why not legalize drugs? Making them illegal sure hasn't helped anything, the prison system is a revolving money door. Don't tread on me and I won't tread on you.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
there are some good points there. The big problem is that there are NO 'conservative' leaders. Once Trump is out of the picture, we are going to collapse.

How conservative is Trump? He seems to be middle of the road to me. We're just lucky he has some common sense and doesn't bend over for the left like the other Republicans.
K20350

He’s the classic “RINO” conservative to afraid to take a stand for being labeled this or that and trying to appease everyone.

Sure we’d all welcome hardworking, and contributing to this republic pro drugged up, bulldyke third world Muslim immigrants into America if they were great for the nation as a whole, lived traditional values American lifestyles, assimilated into and loved the the US, and voted pro constitution.

Unfortunately they are a big part of what’s tearing this county down. How many trans gay/dyke very pro drug, identity politics BLM, open borders people do you see in an antifa crowd? How many do you think are voting for conservatives? How many do you think are actively trying to take our constitutional rights?

I could careless if someone is gay and keeps quiet goes about their life and votes/lives a pro America lifestyle in reality for the huge majority they vote a liberal agenda and actively engage in identity politics as such most will support the still further left gays the you are what you feel you are man, woman no gender horse sh1t, trans story time, pro gay as a civil right but couldn’t care about most of the constitution, demand religious weddings, cakes and so on.
Well, If we end up with a dictatoral president, I hope he’s Jacksonian!
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by k20350
You have no idea what your talking about but I admire your zeal. I have an Uncle who has been gay for 67 years. You know back when it was real bad for your health to be gay if anyone knew. I don't think your linking him a pdf file is going to change hismind. He's a good man respected in his community, been with the same partner for 40 years, self made millionaire, very charitable. This ones going to cause you to short circuit ...he's a deacon of a large church. In fact gifted the church a new Steinway last year. The mans never hurt anyone in his life. Who cares if he bangs a dude. Its preposterous. I think I'll send him your link so he can have a laugh.
Wow! That's VERY successful!
Maybe you should suck a d!ck so you can be successful too.



Hahahahaha and there it is. The "Oh yeah well f uck you defense" haha. You have no leg to stand on. Its a terrible argument you have. I could give a f uck less what you think. I'm not Republ;ican enough for you haha. Your a maniac with absolutely no reasoning. You cant handle my gay uncle is far more successful than u ever were. I'm damn sure more people like him too haha.
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
K20350

He’s the classic “RINO” conservative to afraid to take a stand for being labeled this or that and trying to appease everyone.

Sure we’d all welcome hardworking, and contributing to this republic pro drugged up, bulldyke third world Muslim immigrants into America if they were great for the nation as a whole, lived traditional values American lifestyles, assimilated into and loved the the US, and voted pro constitution.

Unfortunately they are a big part of what’s tearing this county down. How many trans gay/dyke very pro drug, identity politics BLM, open borders people do you see in an antifa crowd? How many do you think are voting for conservatives? How many do you think are actively trying to take our constitutional rights?

I could careless if someone is gay and keeps quiet goes about their life and votes/lives a pro America lifestyle in reality for the huge majority they vote a liberal agenda and actively engage in identity politics as such most will support the still further left gays the you are what you feel you are man, woman no gender horse sh1t, trans story time, pro gay as a civil right but couldn’t care about most of the constitution, demand religious weddings, cakes and so on.



If thats what u think I am. i'm not trying to please anyone. Or afraid of anything. I just take things subject by subject and make an opinion. I'm far more Republican. But whatever u want. Labels are for the weak minded. RINO is hilarious. Towing the party line is also for the weak minded. Make some damn decisions for yourself. If you dont your just as bad as the Dems sitting and not clapping when Trump was talking about low unemployment in the State of the Union. I just want America to succeed. Why can't a gay person have a religious wedding? Seems to me you'd want god in their heart. Also why cant they have a cake haha. You guys are maniacs.
Critical thinking always beats a team jersey....in my mind anyway.
Originally Posted by antlers
Critical thinking always beats a team jersey....in my mind anyway.


Very wise words. I dont need the Republicans or Fox News or the Democrats and CNN to think for me. I like to chew on and make my own choices. Anyone towing party lines is a weak minded fool. I wish every day we had about 20 political parties like Iceland. So much more would get accomplished. The 2 party system is broken as F uck
What we're seeing today isn't an inflection of any kind. This has been in the making for 100 years. Progressive incremental changes have slowly warmed up the frog in the pot. It only seems pivotal now because the water is boiling. But this was set in motion long before any of us were born.
Originally Posted by antlers
Critical thinking always beats a team jersey....in my mind anyway.
Knowing the value of things is critical to decision making. You have no values, so your decisions are always suspect.
Originally Posted by k20350
Hahahahaha and there it is. The "Oh yeah well f uck you defense" haha. You have no leg to stand on. Its a terrible argument you have. I could give a f uck less what you think. I'm not Republ;ican enough for you haha. Your a maniac with absolutely no reasoning. You cant handle my gay uncle is far more successful than u ever were. I'm damn sure more people like him too haha.
I'm still waiting on your "genius" critique of the article in the OP.
I'd also like to know exactly what it is that you see yourself conserving.

BTW, I didn't insult you because "there's nothing wrong with that".
Guys like k20350 consider it a badge of honor when their tween kid goes on a sleep over and plays "does this feel good?" out of peer pressure and decides, "yes, it feels good".
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by antlers
Critical thinking always beats a team jersey....in my mind anyway.
Knowing the value of things is critical to decision making. You have no values, so your decisions are always suspect.
lol
Is the sky falling yet?
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Is the sky falling yet?


Not quite yet, but there's a lotta cracks in the egg.

MM
Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by antlers
Critical thinking always beats a team jersey....in my mind anyway.
Knowing the value of things is critical to decision making. You have no values, so your decisions are always suspect.
lol
C'mon Antlers! What are you conserving?
I really don't think you give a schitt about anything beyond your own pocketbook.
Conservatism and Liberalism are both outdated. Its time to listen to what the Founders tried to tell us, and try a little Liberty for a change. But that ship has long ago sailed, if it was ever at port to begin with.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by antlers
Critical thinking always beats a team jersey....in my mind anyway.
Knowing the value of things is critical to decision making. You have no values, so your decisions are always suspect.
lol
C'mon Antlers! What are you conserving?
I really don't think you give a schitt about anything beyond your own pocketbook.
still laffin’
I hate it when good conservatives argue.
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Yet, where are our supposedly "conservative leaders"...??



They don't get any media time. They are censored and deleted.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by antlers
Critical thinking always beats a team jersey....in my mind anyway.
Knowing the value of things is critical to decision making. You have no values, so your decisions are always suspect.



Tyrone and others in his pew personify what thinking people of all persuasions have learned to disregard. Dem, republican, commie, jew, homo, nazi, all mindless labels used by people incapable of critical thinking.

I, and many others, voted for DJT because he was demonstrably ANTI- Establishment. The classic definition of conservative is pro status quo. The path to the future for those that value "conservative", "judeo-christian" or simple common sense beliefs is to vote out the incumbents. A few election cycles of independent thinking demonstrated at the ballot box could change everything.

Or you can blame the chaos on the 'boos, millenials etc. ad nauseum and continue to march in place.


mike r
Originally Posted by lvmiker
A few election cycles of independent thinking demonstrated at the ballot box could change everything.



That would have to happen at all levels of .guv for local to federal, within a given timeframe.

MM
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by k20350
You have no idea what your talking about but I admire your zeal. I have an Uncle who has been gay for 67 years. You know back when it was real bad for your health to be gay if anyone knew. I don't think your linking him a pdf file is going to change hismind. He's a good man respected in his community, been with the same partner for 40 years, self made millionaire, very charitable. This ones going to cause you to short circuit ...he's a deacon of a large church. In fact gifted the church a new Steinway last year. The mans never hurt anyone in his life. Who cares if he bangs a dude. Its preposterous. I think I'll send him your link so he can have a laugh.
Wow! That's VERY successful!
Maybe you should suck a d!ck so you can be successful too.

Your as bad as the far left loonies, which isn't all that bad. Personally I'm against gay marriage, interracial marriage, but what you do is your business. Why not legalize drugs? Making them illegal sure hasn't helped anything, the prison system is a revolving money door. Don't tread on me and I won't tread on you.
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This entire hemisphere has been in a pivot point since before 1492, it's just gaining speed.
Friggin Goldwater was right!
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Friggin Goldwater was right!



About a lot of things....
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