Here's some of the pictures I said I would post of the new Remington X Mark Pro Triggers. I've got three more of them on back order.

I'll post more pics after I do some tests to see if anything other than heat will remove the sealant they put on the over travel and engagement screws. The stuff on the weight screw peels right off to expose the screw head just like the old stuff did.

Pic #1 shows the front with the overt travel screw on top and the weight screw on the bottom. #2 shows the rear and the engagement screw. You can see the epoxy like substance on the heads of the over travel and the engagement screws.

The last two photos show how the safety moves the over travel screw and its housing back into the trigger to block any movement.

Here's two more pics of the totally disassembled trigger.

As you can clearly see the engagement screw and the over travel screw both have some sort of sealant on their threads. I soaked the entire assembly in acetone for a bit over two hours and while it did allow removing the exposed sealant with a dental pick there is no way it would penetrate into the threads to allow them to be un screwed. The screws would not budge.

Heat (a small propane torch) was required to screw them out. It didn't take allot, about two seconds tops.

So...Myth number one : "The triggers are not adjustable for over travel and sear engagement" FALSE!

And, Myth number two: "Acetone and/or fingernail polish remover will cut through the sealant used on the engagement and over travel screws." FALSE!

Perhaps the best feature of these new triggers (IMO) is the angled sear spring. Why someone hadn't thought of that before is amazing. Having that angle provides FAR better mechanical advantage when the sear is released and the cocking piece pushes it down...and also is a more natural angle to pop the sear back up.

You might be surprised at the amount of firing pin spring weight that is used just to override the sear, and that used up weight is lost and not available to drive the pin into the primer. Theoretically, this new design should provide faster lock time and better ignition when using the same weight spring.

Thanks for the info and pics.

Be advised that adjusting the overtravel screw too much on these triggers could pose a possible problem. The overtravel screw is not stationary as it is on the older models. The screw and it's threaded housing are an integral part of the safety and the whole unit moves back to block the trigger when the safety is engaged. Screw it in too far and the safety might not go all the way to safe...screw it out too far and it won't block the trigger.

The other two screws are adjusted and work exactly the same as the older ones. Just make sure you have a minimum of twenty thousandths engagement between the trigger and the sear...whether on the new or old ones.

The fit and finish of these new ones is nothing short of fantastic. I viewed the sear and trigger engagement surfaces with a 25x magnifier and they were both as smooth as glass with very distinct sharp edges.

For all their past and present sins Remington did real well with these triggers...but they certainly didn't want guys taking them apart.

The little retaining clip on the trigger pin is pretty much a "use it one time" affair...and it takes a special tool to reinstall either the old one (if you didn't deform or break it driving the pin out) or a new one.

All the screws are 1/16" allan head set screws and they will strip out very easily if you aren't careful. Apply the heat with the wrench already in place and just put some pressure on it. It doesn't take allot of heat and once the screw breaks free you can remove the heat and screw it out.

The sear engagement screw is a 6x40 and the overtravel is a 5x40. It's a good idea to run the appropriate sized tap through to clean all that gunk out of the threads before you reinstall them.

Great informative post, I`m old hat, and have been avoiding the Mark X like the plague.

I guess the unknowing had me worried, as the first one I crossed paths with was all glued together.

This is really an eye opener. What kind of results can be had out of the new one?

I asked this of Speedy Gonzales, when he was selling much goods on E-Bay, and he commented that he liked the new trigger much better than the old one.

I need to get up to speed on these new triggers. This thread has pushed me that way, so thanks!!

These triggers (IMO) are every bit as good, and in some ways better, than any of the aftermarket triggers made by Timney, Jewel, and others.

They are not a competition BR trigger, nor were they intended to be...but for all other purposes they are state of the art and the price is EXTREMELY competitive and reasonable.

I would highly recommend them to anyone contemplating replacing the trigger in their Remington.

About the only thing on them I don't particularly care for is the smooth trigger face.

I sold the only one I had, so none here to heat up. But rest assured I`ll not be dodging them any longer.

Not looking for BR quality, just a good ole light, crisp, hunter.

I want to make it perfectly clear that I do not recommend tearing these triggers apart unless there is a really good reason to do so. They come with the overtravel and sear engagement already set and the weight can be adjusted by anyone with nothing more than a 1/16" allan wrench.

I did it for two reasons: 1) to see how they work so when I get them in the shop I know what I'm doing...and 2) to dispel all the "internet BS" you read on these forums written by guys that have obviously never taken one apart.

Thanks for taking the time to post the pics and explain the new trigger. Very interesting & informative information, for certain.

Did you have to find a new retaining clip? If so, where? Also, is the special tool required hard to find?

RickB,

Nice informative post. I only have one X Mark Pro trigger but have been very impressed with it. How well do you think it will hold up to prolonged moisture?

MtnHtr

MtnHtr,

Just speculating but I can't see where they would be any more susceptible to moisture than any of the other triggers would be. The lack of the connector bar would certainly preclude any moisture getting trapped in that spot. As you know, any trigger that resides in a housing is always going to carry some risk of something getting trapped in there no matter who makes it.

oulufinn,

This company carries the retaining clips. The safety lever takes a #5115 and the trigger pin takes a # 5560. The tool for installing the trigger pin clip is like a small nut driver that fits over the head of the pin and allows you to tap the clip down into place.

http://www.truarc.com/products.php

Thanks for the info. There really hasn't been much out there, about these new triggers. Your legwork is very appreciated!

Hi Rick -

How light do you reckon the new trigger can be adjusted before there's any real issue with safety ... assume you're talking to a guy who's used to 2 ounce 40X triggers, thus focusing on the mechanical question, not the human operator question.

I just got a Seven XCR which has the new trigger. Trying to back it down to a useful (to me) weight and wondering what the mechanical limits of the device are.

Thanks!

Tom

It was selfish on my part since the only way I have ever been able to learn is by tearing stuff apart to see how everything works. I'm not sure if that makes me "right-brained"..."left-brained"...or "NO-brained"...but that's what works for me.

Bottom line for me is that these new triggers are a great improvement and whenever the factories actually do come up with a better mouse trap it's refreshing to see.

I've got allot more "playing" to do with this trigger to see how much adjusting the overtravel affects the operation of the safety. At first glance it appears that it could pose a problem in fully engaging the safety and blocking the trigger and/or sear since the overtravel screw actually moves fore and aft as the safety lever is engaged and disengaged.

RickB,

I was interested in your thoughts concerning corrosion resistance with the X Mark Pro (SS version). Mine has alot of parts that appear to be nickel coated and was touted to be more corrosion resistant.

MtnHtr

Rick,

Thanks for your photos and commentary!

I like the XMarkPro because it cures the "fire on failure" modes of the Walker trigger design. The updated material specification are gilding on the lily (so to speak).

jim

Mtn Hunter

The ones I ordered said "blued" but the only part that is blue is the safety lever. The housing appears like it's plated like you said.

I'll mist some salt water on all the parts today and let them sit outside overnight and let you know what happens.

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Where you can buy these as an after market upgrade (for an older M700)? What do they cost? GREAT Post! Thanks for the write up.

Brownells has them for $90.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/st...amp;title=Blued%20X-Mark%20Pro%20Trigger

They sell on classifieds and auction sites for $35-50.

But don't look until I get one more!

Bruce

I just got done adjusting my Xmark trigger for weight of pull. They are just like the old triggers in this aspect. I got it down to 2 1/2 to 3 lbs. did not touch the overtravel screws or sear engagement screws. pretty straight foward like like
RICK B. said.

I know this is an older thread but seeing as I just bought a 700 with this trigger and I'd like to lighten the trigger pull I got to ask. Is this a straight forward adjustment on pull weight by adjusting the one screw, or do you need yo adjust the other screws in synch?

I have a question on this trigger too. Are all the triggers in the new 700's that have the rib on the back and smooth front X-mark pro's or is there an internal difference? I ask this because Remington only advertises it on some of the models and only some have the hang tag even though they appear the same on the other models as far as the trigger with smooth front and rear center rib. Is this a marketing ploy and they all have the x-mark pro or is there something really different about the ones they actually label x-mark pro?

Thanks,
HH

I'm pretty sure that it is marketing ploy, as all the new 'back-ribbed' triggers I've seen are indeed the X-Mark Pro.

It is my understanding that all present and future production will be fitted with the X-Mark Pro. The reason for change was not getting a better trigger but a safer one ! Remember, there has been a deadly accident with the old trigger going off when disengaging the safety. Also, between old and new triggers Remingtons came with a keylock.

Has anyone answered this question? I'd also like to know this. From what I can tell you can adjust only the weight of pull screw to lighten the trigger without needing to mess around with the rest of the adjustments, correct? My Model Seven has a really nice sharp and crisp trigger with the new X-Mark, but pull weight is a little heavy at what I'd guess around 4 1/2 pounds or so. It could stand to lose a little weight and it would be an excellent trigger.

Only the weight of pull screw should be touched. By turning it counter-clockwise you can bring down the 4 lbs. factory setting to a crisp 2 lbs. BTW, this is the only screw which will allow scraping of the sealant. The 2 (not to be touched) remaining screws are sealed with an epoxy, immune to acetone and only a torch will soften it.

That was my understanding too, thanks for the clarity!

Yup, I adjusted mine down and its a much better performing trigger, probably reduced it by 2 lbs with a turn or two and yet its still quite crisp. Liking this trigger, and am hoping to get out today and shoot the 257 Roy!

I just took a new one out of the bag from Brownells and installed it in a 700. I adjusted the weight of pull down to just a little over 3 lbs. & tested it seveal times at this weight. I put the gun back in the stock and bolted it up. When cycling the bolt hard the firing pin drops!!! OBVIOUSLY VERY DANGEROUS!! This happened about 1 in 4 bolt slams! Needless to say i am concerned and very unhappy with this trigger. I put it away for now and plan to come back to it later to try to fix. Any suggestions.

Just got a mod 7 and it has this trigger and it is at factory 5.75 lbs just a little under what the gun is. I will try to adjust later and report how it goes this is a good forum JMO THANKS FOR ALL THE INFO EVERY ONE

DARREN

Just tweeked mine to #2.5. Took less than 5 minutes start to finish. Hate to say it but it feels as good as my Jewells. Well almost .

I just played with my first X-mark trigger. I easily turned it down to 2.5 pounds on a 223 SPS Varmint. A very nice trigger.

RH

I took one apart. Nice MIM sear and override, but a bit more stoning doesn't hurt. If you want to get after the overtravel and engagement, yep, you have to rip it apart. I didn't like the idea of heating the trigger spring or burning something else.
The little tiny clip for the trigger pivot is a bear to take off, use your best seal picks, you'll need them.
Then, and only then, can you burn off the epoxy. You can replace the pin clips with .125 or so E-clips from the auto store, which I did.
I am now looking to get rid of the pull-weight spring, find something with a softer and longer tension curve, the stock springs rise rate is too steep. And BLUE locker from here on out, thanks.

I got my second X-Mark trigger from the classifeds here and the weight adjustment just won't change AT ALL. I've had the proper screw most of the way out and it is still at 4.5 pounds. To my untrained eye, the sear engagement needs to be adjusted since it drags a long way before breaking. I compared the sear engagement with my other X Mark and an older style 700 trigger too. This sear sits a lot fatter than the others. That screw has an allen head and is stuck pretty good . I tried heating it with a hair dryer (to the point it was so hot I could barely touch it) but no luck. Any tricks on getting the bugger loose?


RH

Try soaking it in kerosene for a couple days.

Hello Rick. I have been reading your article on the X Pro trigger. I bought a first generation Remington 700 R5 Mil Spec rifle. It came with the regular standard 700 old style trigger. Newer one's come with the X Pro trigger. Well i seen one for sale on one of the auction sites and decided to buy it. After installing it i could not get it to adjust properly. Yesterday i took it off and decided to put the old trigger back. After installing it i noticed it had a noticable creep in it and would not go away. I decided at that point that i would put the X Pro back in and try one more time to get it adjusted to where i wanted it weight wise. In any event i now could not find the sear spring. I tried the one from the other trigger but it seem to be to stiff and to long. I want to buy an after market like Wolf but i am not sure on what to order and if they come in different strenghts/weights etc. Your thought's on this would be greatly appreicated. Thanks for your time, Rick Sr. Firemen281Ret@Sbcglobal.net

Firefightre281, Rick B no longer posts here TTBOMK. There are other who may be able to answer your question. I would look for a Holland spring kit for your trigger. Good luck with your project.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=654821

http://www.hollandguns.com/index.html

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/cid=604/k=/t=P/mfg=/Products/Springs

Thanks for the pics, Rick. I ripped one apart, too, because I was afraid of killing an internal spring while heating the screws to get the sealant loose.. E clips from NAPA work just fine to replace the one-way circlip and that stupid, tamperproof snap ring. Grrrr.

http://erniethegunsmith.com/catalog/i169.html

here is some good info