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Posted By: ctw Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/14/20
Wondering what it should cost to duplicate a stock for lets say a ruger #1. Take a blank, duplicate, drill thru hole, fit to barreled action.
Leaving final shaping and finishing.

Thanks Chris
Posted By: shooter42 Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/14/20
seems like an easy question but do you have the pattern stock you want duplicated or would it need to be made first. do you have a suitable blank? if you answer affirmative to the first two then I would guess the 200 to 300 for the rough turning depending on the complexity of the pattern and another 250 to 350 for the fitting. I don't like to tell anyone what they should work for but that is based on my prices a few years ago before I retired.
Posted By: ctw Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/14/20
So 1300 to hand fit the duplicated stock to the action is out of line?
Posted By: z1r Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/14/20
Originally Posted by ctw
So 1300 to hand fit the duplicated stock to the action is out of line?


Does this include the blank or are you supplying the blank?
Posted By: ctw Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/14/20
I supplied blank and paid for duplication and through hole, then additional 1300 to hand fit?
Posted By: saddlesore Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/14/20
Me thinks you could buy a new gun for that
Posted By: sbrmike Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/14/20
That seems a bit high. Around here stock duplicating is $100 plus wood; your wood and there is no guarantee if bad spots are found after duplicating. Hand fitting for a two piece stock is going to go from: (I don't want to mess with it on up) , but I would think well under $500.00. Many duplicators (machines) can duplicate down to .020" very easily inluding the inletting.
Posted By: pabucktail Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/14/20
http://gunstockduplicating.com/

Here’s your guy. He has a No. 1 pattern as well.
How many ounces did the stock blank weigh?
How much did the stock you were cloning weigh?
Ag (silver) is going for $17.78 per troy oz.

Just for comparison as I couldn't find a price on Burlwood...
Posted By: JRGunmaker Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/16/20
Originally Posted by sbrmike
there is no guarantee if bad spots are found after duplicating..

Not quite understanding what you mean here. Do you mean if somebody duplicates your blank and finds a bad spot in it they expect to get paid for their time running the duplicator???? I would.

Time is money and $100 to duplicate a stock is bottom dollar. I wouldn't expect a $100 semi inlet to be easy to inlet. Spend more and expect the smith to spend more time running the machine and the stock should be easier to finish inletting.
Posted By: sbrmike Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/16/20
Clarification, around here, I know a few guys who duplicate stocks. If they hit a hidden defect in the process and it is the duplicator's provided blank, they generally eat the loss. If it is a customer provided blank, the customer pays for the job, i.e. a 2d duplication.
Posted By: JRGunmaker Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/16/20
that makes sense
Maybe the stock maker just bought a fancy new machine?
Posted By: ctw Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/22/20
Well I got it back, thankfully got my barreled action back. I think the but stock is ruined and need to sleep on it and decide how to proceed, Very disapointed here, I will post pictures for thoughts tomorrow
Posted By: ctw Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/22/20
So I was thinking arround the same line as shooter 45 3-4 hundred to fit.
A little more to the story I sent my blank to a very reputable stock maker for duplication. My action an early dakota 10, i was told by dakota the early ones require differant inlet and passed this on to the stock maker, he says no problem he has patern for early and late.
Well he missed the through hole bored in wrong location and wrong angle. Call him up sent picts he says send it back I will fix it and pay shipping both ways please include the action. I decide to barrel it up and ask him just to fit it as it will probably be the only way the through hole will be right. Ask stock maker what it would cost he says he will take care of me.
I send barrel action and stock he duplicated back and ask for no bedding 7 days later he calls saying it is done and he will be sending it allong. I say thanks and ask what I owe he says 1300 my reply was dollars? He says yes my reply I was thinking 3-4 hundred he says not even close I get 4400 to stock a rifle. So I am stewing for a week while the rifle ships back. Pull it out of the box tang has a 1 inch crack he did not even try to repair and there is now bedding where I think he missed on his angle and came up through the tang as he missed a couple more times with the through hole.
I bring it to the local smith who says there is a good chance the stock is no good espessially if the tang area is nothing more than bedding. I have to sand about an 1/8 of an inch to get it close to the receiver we will see if the bedding grows or goes away.
Can I bring small claims across state lines? I nowhave a bill for 1385.00 he included with it and did not take care of the shipping either way.

Local smith says not even close to a 1685 job .

Looking for feedback and how you may proceed.

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Posted By: JeffG Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 02/29/20
...wwooof, I'd put the gun back together just to go after the guy who charged me for that expensive piece of firewood...

But maybe an inlay, or a checkering panel, with some faux graining and staining would disguise it for field use.

One problem with those epoxied holes behind the top tang, is that they are where he stopped drilling, meaning they will likely get worse as you take more wood off..

His bill must be a joke, his way of deflecting responsibility. I know loggers who could do a better job on their lunch break
Posted By: Mauser06 Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 03/01/20
So you commissioned the work without knowing a price????


Or....what was the agreement prior to the work???



Hard to complain about the price if there was no conversation and understanding prior to getting a bill.
Posted By: ctw Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 03/01/20
Mauser
A picture is worth a thousand words I will post a few more

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/galleries/14595505/duplicate-inlet

This individual touts himself a s being a stockmaker since 1972 and one of the original 7 founding members of the American Custom Gunmakers Guild

Without a doubt he knew the stock eas ruined before he shipped it back!
Posted By: JRGunmaker Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 03/02/20
That's a really, REALLY old #10.
The tang crack is what happens when you inlet a wedge shaped tang with a hammer.
You need to contact the President of the ACGG. They used to have a way to deal with this kind of thing.
Posted By: Whelenman Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 03/02/20
I think I could have done that with a skill saw, and a horse shoe file!
Posted By: JRGunmaker Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 03/02/20
Originally Posted by ctw
i was told by dakota the early ones require differant inlet


I'm not sure that's accurate. Yours was made in the early 90s and when they changed the lever shape the inlet stayed the same. They did have a radically different single shot action that Pete Grisel worked on while there, but that was years before the one you have. And I don't think any of those were released into the wild. Haven't seen a current #10 in hand, but doubt they changed the inlet much if any.
could be wrong
Posted By: ctw Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 03/03/20
That is exactly what I was told from dakota, the original invoice says june 93. Maybe they spoke to the thru hole?

The picture of the factory cut away looks like it
Posted By: JRGunmaker Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 03/03/20
I think they were talking out their thru hole.
The cutaway action was done back in the early/mid 90's.
Pretty sure they could have run your stock on the CNC.
Through bolts were done after machining. Well at least from 92-97.

Their website says "The patented Dakota® Falling Block receiver"
Somebody should ask them what the patent # is.
It wasn't patented back when I worked there.
Posted By: Ap75 Re: Stock Duplicating cost? - 03/03/20
I’ve been quoted 1500$, 750$ and 85$ an hour to inlet a stock I’ve already had duplicated to a pattern and semi inletted. The blank was 350$ the duplicating was another 300$ but man the inletting cost is crazy. At these costs starting from scratch with a blank would be 10 grand? And this is for a Mauser with a sporter contour barell not stocking a double rifle or some overly complicated or rare action type. I’d also add that these prices are inletting only exterior shaping will still need to be done and if a glass bedded action is wanted throw another 250$ on the quoted prices?
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