Guys I asked this question on the Winchester collector thread but they said may get little more traction here.

I found one of these last Winchester made in 450. Marlin TS Timber carbine 18" barrel, Ported new in the box recently for a great deal, could only find one that sold for 1300.00 in 2018 but have not seen one since come for sale. I asked Winchester folks on there web sight how many of these were made but they could not. Can anyone tell me how many of these where made, I know the Marlins are going crazy in price, but have these done the same and if a guy had one new in the box what would it be worth .


Thanks for any help ..

Whatever someone will pay. I'd not buy another, they are holy hell obnoxious with the ported barrel. I couldn't get rid of the one I had fast enough.

As always,
Do a closed auction search on GunBroker.

I am no help on price other than to say Lipsey has the new version with 20" barrel for $1,300.00

If you are going to shoot it double hearing protection is required.
I have a Winchester Timber carbine with 17 3/4" barrel.
I had a Data Log sound meter at the range one day.
The .444 with 270 grain Speer bullet ahead of 48.0 grains of Reloder 7 at 2,030fps registered 99.6 db.
In the shop areas that registered this high we required hearing protection to walk through the area.

A 22" .308 Marlin Express rifle registered 93,2db with the 160 grain factory load. This is considerably quieter. At 90db hearing protection wS optional fora 8 hour shift.

The problem with the Win ported TC in 444 Marlin or 450 Marlin is it has a terrible stock design for the recoil it produces. It always amazes me that you are shooting cartridges that can produce 40-50 ft-lbs of recoil on a light carbine with a crap stock made for a rimfire based lever gun. Even with porting (porting is not the same as a brake) it kicks like a mule. In 450 Marlin with heavy loads it would be downright obnoxious.

I have a 444 Marlin Black Shadow 20” barrel that I completely restocked with a nice heavy custom walnut silhouette (shotgun style) butt stock and new fore end stock with kick-eez recoil pad. With 1-12 twist it handles the heaviest (355 grain) projectiles very well and is as accurate as a bolt gun. Adding some weight and recoil mitigation it now feels like the big bore hunting rifle it was intended to be in lieu of a toy. Again most big bore lever gun stocks are designed to accommodate looks in lieu of shooting and handling functions, especially in the big bore cartridge offerings. The designs always profess light weight carry, which is wrong headed and does not consider true handling of such potent cartridges.

I think you could still fetch $1,300-$1,500 for it. After all it’s one of the last Winchester lever guns produced in the USA at their New Haven, CT plant.

Easiest way to see what things are actually selling for.. Haven't found .450s but .444s are selling for approx $1800. I would think the harder to find .450s would bring more

https://www.gunbroker.com/Lever-Act...p;Timeframe=1&Sort=9&PageSize=48