Just wanted to pass along a couple of good products for those who like to travel light when they're out and about in some rough country. I'm a minimalist. I don't take a whole lot with me when I'm out there. First...my Pocket Rocket cook stove made by MSR. It weighs about 3 ounces and uses IsoButane Propane fuel cannisters. It'll boil a liter of water in 3 and 1/2 minutes. Stows away in a small hard plastic case. Second...my Pinnacle Soloist cook set made by GSI. Everything I need to prepare and eat a meal when I'm out there. Stows away very compactly in its bag. It's real nice to have a fresh cup of hot chocolate or a good hot meal out there sometimes. These items don't take up much room at all in my pack, and they don't weigh squat. Two good products that have fit my needs very well.
For me it's a #1 Montbell titanium cooket I just picked up with a cat can stove andca few ounces of alcohol. More then just boiling water and the cat can is switched for triangia.
Here's the latest in the race for the lightest canister stove. The Fire Maple FMS 300T at 41 grams. Not that the Pocket Rocket isn't allready pretty light, it weighs 85 grams. I'm not counting every gram and running out to buy the latest. Just an FYI for the super minimalist folks. I can't imagine trying to balance a pot on it.
I do have one of the Fire Maple 116T's,48 grams, looks like it's been rebranded from whatever is was last year. Sold off an old heavy Coleman after a four day trip. Looked over all my gear after that trip.
Now, I love my Pocket Rocket, but the Snow Peak Light Max is one awesome stove! It is wider then the Pocket Rocket so it is more stable in supporting pots. It does seem to burn Fuel quicker. I do like my Trangia but it is much slower.I find I use my 700 ML Ti pot the most.
I do want to check out a home made alcohol stove like a cat can stove as I really do just boil water lately for dinner and alcohol stoves do that just fine.
I like my alcohol stove built by George Carr, it is well made and far better than what I would build - and inexpensive. Plus George is one of the good guys.
I used a pocket rocket for years, but came to realize (by watching my buddy boil water much faster, every single time) that the jetboil is just way more efficient, especially if there is any wind. I love my sol Ti now.
I used a pocket rocket for years, but came to realize (by watching my buddy boil water much faster, every single time) that the jetboil is just way more efficient, especially if there is any wind. I love my sol Ti now.
The MSR Windpro spanks both of them, especially in the wind, which might have something to do with the fact it is named the Windpro. Also, it'll work in MUCH colder weather (the new version with the inverted cannister).
How come is it that no matter where I go to read the forum, with regards to just about anything discussed, that before to long you chirp in telling everyone they don't know crap and you are the authority on everything. You either own REI, or have owned everything made for the outdoors, or your just full of *#^+�t.
It takes a lot to get me riled up to post, instead of just enjoying the campfire, but you sir are an annoying know-it-all!
How come is it that no matter where I go to read the forum, with regards to just about anything discussed, that before to long you chirp in telling everyone they don't know crap and you are the authority on everything. You either own REI, or have owned everything made for the outdoors, or your just full of *#^+�t.
It takes a lot to get me riled up to post, instead of just enjoying the campfire, but you sir are an annoying know-it-all!
How come is it that no matter where I go to read the forum, with regards to just about anything discussed, that before to long you chirp in telling everyone they don't know crap and you are the authority on everything. You either own REI, or have owned everything made for the outdoors, or your just full of *#^+�t.
It takes a lot to get me riled up to post, instead of just enjoying the campfire, but you sir are an annoying know-it-all!
I've owned a LOT of hiking kit, and I was always good at figuring out when/how stuff/people etc was/were [bleep] up, which is one reason I'm still alive. Annoying? Probably. Know-it-all? I've consistently scored 2+ standard deviations above normal on damn near every sort of psychometric evaluation I've ever sat for.
BTW, anything I've written about stoves would take about 20min of google-fu on Backpacking Light to confirm. I've read a lot and hiked the AT in the Southeast and talked to numerous hikers at shelters about their stoves. Current Jetboils are a vast improvement over the originals, they fell out of favor PDQ on the AT until they got the bugs worked out. They still suffer from not being able to use a windscreen, just like any other vertical butane stove. The JB Helios I've never used and don't know anyone who has, the people I know look at weights before they buy stuff.
I've owned a LOT of hiking kit, and I was always good at figuring out when/how stuff/people etc was/were [bleep] up, which is one reason I'm still alive. Annoying? Probably. Know-it-all? I've consistently scored 2+ standard deviations above normal on damn near every sort of psychometric evaluation I've ever sat for.
BTW, anything I've written about stoves would take about 20min of google-fu on Backpacking Light to confirm. I've read a lot and hiked the AT in the Southeast and talked to numerous hikers at shelters about their stoves. Current Jetboils are a vast improvement over the originals, they fell out of favor PDQ on the AT until they got the bugs worked out. They still suffer from not being able to use a windscreen, just like any other vertical butane stove. The JB Helios I've never used and don't know anyone who has, the people I know look at weights before they buy stuff.
Man, asking questions in the southeast and reading online.
It's no wonder you never have pics. Just do us all a favor and STFU. It's obvious you don't do schit.
Travis lives in Montana, a notoriously windy state with some high elevations. I'd trust, and like to hear his review of the jetboil sol ti. My interest is peaked.
I ended up with the SUMO Ti due to my son going with me a lot now.
I've used the Gigas and the alcohol stoves and the wood stoves and Pocket Rocket and the Whisperlite and probably some more and they all had something in common. They were either something I didn't want to [bleep] with because it was cold, wet and I was tired, or they were a bit more unstable than I care for. Also, grabbing the pots required a towel, rag, or pliers.
With the Jetboil you simply boil the water, and grab the pot. I don't know how it boils water as fast as it does, nor do I care. It makes a hot meal muy pronto and it is not heavy.
I have also used it in floored tents with next to zero concern and that is something I can't say for some of the other stoves I've used.
The need for a windscreen appears to be nonexistent at this point and I can tell you if you're using a Windpro style stove you'll find using a windscreen is about as much fun as sticking a fork in your eye when the wind is approaching 30mph.
While I would not consider myself an uber-experienced backpacker I would say that anybody making claims the Windpro "will spank" a Jetboil, obviously has likely never used a Jetboil and certainly has not owned one.
I've used mine at 10,000ish and had zero problems.
My kid has been joining me as well. Stability is an important thing to me so the part about using it in the tent without worry is a major selling point for me.
My pocket rocket hasn't let me down yet, and I still think it's cooler than [bleep] that I can cook a can of chunky soup whilst tucked in glassing alpine. I'm sure somebody has made a better version of it, but until mine fails, I'll probably keep rolling with what I have.
My kid has been joining me as well. Stability is an important thing to me so the part about using it in the tent without worry is a major selling point for me.
Using any stove in a floored nylon tent ain't overly bright. That is what they make vestibules for, and also a stove with a lower profile is advantageous in a vestibule to keep the burner away from the sidewall. I would light it outside, in the rain if necessary and bring inside anyway. I use a hammock with a tarp so I just sit my fat azz on my hammock and place my stove on the ground with no worries.
As for alcohol stoves, the Caldera Cone is quite stable, but in 30 mph winds the whole thing could blow over in the wind as it weighs just about nothing. I have yet to see a "kick-proof" stove, alcohol or otherwise. Alcohol stoves work great for shorter trips if you don't actually cook, IE freezer-bag/water boiling is all you do. Two folks need two alcohol stoves. A father-son is better off with a cannister setup.
My kid has been joining me as well. Stability is an important thing to me so the part about using it in the tent without worry is a major selling point for me.
Using any stove in a floored nylon tent ain't overly bright. That is what they make vestibules for, and also a stove with a lower profile is advantageous in a vestibule to keep the burner away from the sidewall. I would light it outside, in the rain if necessary and bring inside anyway. I use a hammock with a tarp so I just sit my fat azz on my hammock and place my stove on the ground with no worries.
As for alcohol stoves, the Caldera Cone is quite stable, but in 30 mph winds the whole thing could blow over in the wind as it weighs just about nothing. I have yet to see a "kick-proof" stove, alcohol or otherwise. Alcohol stoves work great for shorter trips if you don't actually cook, IE freezer-bag/water boiling is all you do. Two folks need two alcohol stoves. A father-son is better off with a cannister setup.
Sometimes one doesn't have a choice but to boil in the tent TAK. And when you find yourself in those situations, the JetBoil can really shine. But of course when you're in weather that calls for a hammock, you know you're really in some rough country.
And you are correct TAK, there are no kick-proof stoves. However an alcohol stove turns into a ball of flame, where as a Jetboil turns into a can of spilled water.
I'm confused, amazed and thankful ......... How it is that someone who has continually interjected into a lot of threads his proclamation of well above the norm psychometric test results ad nauseam could have spent so much money on so so much gear only to come here of all places and regale me of this extraordinarily vast first hand expertise. What are the freaking odds? I have to be the luckiest dumb schit neophyte there is. Not to be a contrarian and though it may seem counter intuitive, I would also have also thought his initial gear shopping prowess would have also been above the norm as well. I'm only left with 2 conclusions, he's either a Good Samaritan, or full of it.
On an aside, Travis turned me on to the Jetboil awhile back and it's a rocking little bastid for a self contained kit to boil water in. I'm also sporting a titanium 5.4 oz. Emberlit now that goes as a companion stove in my pack on long trips when I want/need to cook or use something different.
On an aside, Travis turned me on to the Jetboil awhile back and it's a rocking little bastid for a self contained kit to boil water in. I'm also sporting a titanium 5.4 oz. Emberlit now that goes as a companion stove in my pack on long trips when I want/need to cook or use something different.
Lemme see if I have this one right. I'm a dumbschidt who buys all manner of hiking kit I don't need, but you've just bought a jetboil, on the advice of a novice hiker, and also another spendy Ti stove, "just in case", and you're a smart mofo? Right? Got it.
Never said I was a smart mofo or that you are a dumb schit though you are doing a sporting job of proving the later. I also didn't say that the Emberlit was a "just in case" stove either. Reading comprehension apparently isn't your strong suit is it ? Like a number of others I'm just getting tired of you telling other people their gear is crap and you have all the answers whilst shining your azz in a hammock and spending most of your days here typing about all your exploits sans the pics. I wonder how you have managed to find the time to extensively field test such a broad expanse of kit all the while hourly regaling everyone of your vast experience. You'd best stay in your warm winter clime next to your computer, you wouldn't last long here
Which Jetboil do I want if I'm cooking Mountain Houses for me, and me only? My friends have to tend to themselves. The Flash looks pretty sweet.
Tanner
Though I hear the new ones are better, throw a bic lighter in the cup in case the ignitor craps out. Easy, cheap, light insurance. Plus, being in college you should be carrying one anyway. Chicks that smoke will put most anything in their pieholes...
I told you before you need to bend the thingy to get the proper arc.
The Midwest is making you dumb.
Travis
I haven't had to use it since you told me. I leave the gear fondling to TAK. But, I'll get it out tomorrow to prove you right! That said, I'd still carry a bic. It's kinda like double wrapping my junk...
Yes, the Midwest is making me dumb...and fatter and lazier.
I haven't had to use it since you told me. I leave the gear fondling to TAK. But, I'll get it out tomorrow to prove you right! That said, I'd still carry a bic. It's kinda like double wrapping my junk...
Yes, the Midwest is making me dumb...and fatter and lazier.
Well next time your dumb midwestern ass breaks out your gear, bend the thingy so the arc goes directly to the hole (haha! hole...) the gas comes out of.
It will light up like TAK's eyes after a fella buys him a drink.
Schit Travis, I don't know if I can handle another harrowing episode of Sgt. Preston's daring do today..............
Yeah? Well go march the pipeline in South Korea with a bag full of nails and no shoes except snowshoes after you killed everyone in Iraq with nothing but an MSR Windpro and get back to me.
Travis
PS- I'm sleeping in a hammock during this hailstorm posting off from my phone that is being run by a 1000WT Honda Inverter that I packed in a backpack that isn't your backpack because your backpack sucks.
Crap,.......I just blew coffee all over myself. I know its risky taking advice from a "Novice" but do you think the wind pro will dry my shirt out before hypothermia sets in or am I screwed ??????? Thanks in advance........
Crap,.......I just blew coffee all over myself. I know its risky taking advice from a "Novice" but do you think the wind pro will dry my shirt out before hypothermia sets in or am I screwed ??????? Thanks in advance........
I only know that you and I will have a Happy New Year.
Easy on the Midwest/Southeast bashing! Some of us use our kit!
pointer (mistakenly) moved to the midwest but he does use his kit.
TAK is a moron.
I like the SE.
Travis
The fact that both of you are using the term "kit" to describe the stoves is grounds for bashing! Now I kinda dug this Kit! I played HS and Am Legion ball at two of the fields in that movie.
I suppose I've had 20 or so stoves since I got my first Hank Roberts in 1974. There were surprisingly decent stoves available back then.
More recently, having done the Ti-Pot/Giga/Pocket Rocket thing (neither of which impressed me much), I settled on a Jetboil Ti 2.5 years ago. Uses about half the fuel of the Giga, while being essentially as light (and lighter on longer trips because of its fuel-miserlyness).
The Jetboil Ti is one of the most impressive pieces of gear (or "kit" if you're from British Empire, which I ain't) I've seen in years. Truly revolutionary.
The older Jetboil (got my first of those in 2006) worked "ok" down to 15-20F and the newer jetboil works better down to around 5-10F.
Below that a good White Gas stove makes the most sense. Hard to beat an MSR International or old Svea 123 there...
My backpack is a Dodge Durango. My hikes are only long enough that the Durango is still in sight. Nobody has shot at me in 40 years. The only times I leave the US I'm on a cruise ship. And my tent is a La Quinta.
But when I go fishing, I take along my Swedish military cook kit with its Trangia/SVEA stove, an MRE or two, and a nice big stainless steel cup for hot drinks.
Does it JUST boil water? 90% of what I do is boil water but sometimes I actually simmer something in a pot of water and even use an MSR fry pan to make pancakes, etc.
I'm thinking the Jetboil would not work for that, and will only boil water albeit very efficiently, correct?
I'm mostly content with my PocketRocket and in fact, selling my Whisperlite as I never use it.
I have 2 Svea stoves that I used for many years. However, since I got llamas I've switched to these single burner Coleman stoves. No, they're not for the minimalist to say the least. However, the propane works at any temp and any elevation. They're MUCH easier to light than a Svea and they really crank out the heat, enough that they make a pretty good tent heater, too. The only drawback is that they're too top heavy. I should have got one that sits flat with the bottle next to it.
Does it JUST boil water? 90% of what I do is boil water but sometimes I actually simmer something in a pot of water and even use an MSR fry pan to make pancakes, etc.
I'm thinking the Jetboil would not work for that, and will only boil water albeit very efficiently, correct?
I'm mostly content with my PocketRocket and in fact, selling my Whisperlite as I never use it.
There is a fry pan and larger sauce type pan you can get. Can't say I wanna schelp it on a back pack trip though. I've cooked rice, eggs, bacon in the larger pan. You have to tend to the heat and it does OK. If you really want to be able to simmer, the gig is a SnoPeak 1400 with Dragonfly stove. If you monkey with the stove just right, it will fit fine in the 1400 set.
Does it JUST boil water? 90% of what I do is boil water but sometimes I actually simmer something in a pot of water and even use an MSR fry pan to make pancakes, etc.
You can make a venison stew or boil up some oatmeal in a Jetboil. But then you'd have to clean it.
Does it JUST boil water? 90% of what I do is boil water but sometimes I actually simmer something in a pot of water and even use an MSR fry pan to make pancakes, etc.
You can make a venison stew or boil up some oatmeal in a Jetboil. But then you'd have to clean it.
Yep! If using the regular Jetboil pot, you have to constantly stir it or it will burn in a hurry! Mine still carries the results of trying to cook some Dinty Moore in mine on it's maiden voyage... Since then I just relegate mine to boiling water. I'd like to get/try one of the larger pans sometime though.
Does it JUST boil water? 90% of what I do is boil water but sometimes I actually simmer something in a pot of water and even use an MSR fry pan to make pancakes, etc.
I'm thinking the Jetboil would not work for that, and will only boil water albeit very efficiently, correct?
I'm mostly content with my PocketRocket and in fact, selling my Whisperlite as I never use it.
Does it JUST boil water? 90% of what I do is boil water but sometimes I actually simmer something in a pot of water and even use an MSR fry pan to make pancakes, etc.
I'm thinking the Jetboil would not work for that, and will only boil water albeit very efficiently, correct?
I'm mostly content with my PocketRocket and in fact, selling my Whisperlite as I never use it.
You can remove the Jetboil pot and use it like a regular burner/stove. It works well in that configuration too.
Travis
Ah, I did not know this. I know you got yours a while back and are totally sold on it. But I didn't know the pot could be removed so it could be used like a conventional stove. There may be a need to check out the local outdoor store or REI this weekend!
Do most of you prefer propane canister over the liquid fuel?
The isobutene/propane is the way to go IMO.
I do have an MSR Whisperlite that is a bad ass stove. But quite frankly, if it's so cold out that I need a white gas stove, I'm probably not backpacking.
And right around the 1st of the month when everybody "done got paid again."
People watching at its finest. Or lowest, depending how you view it.
Travis
Remember where I live. As ingwe so accurately put it, we have to make up things to do for 'fun'. Therefore my vote is for finest, unless it's fair season! Carnies + Wal-Marties = a big bump in my self image!
I have 2 Svea stoves that use liquid. They really crank out the heat in any conditions but they're a nuisance to light. I found that carrying a bottle of lighter fluid for priming helps a lot for getting them going. The newer ones have pumps to get the priming fuel out.
I've never found the Svea a nuisance to light... I carry an eyedropper with the stove, suck out a bit of fuel from the tank, douse the "spirit cup" and light it up... it will roar to life in any condition.
I've never found the Svea a nuisance to light... I carry an eyedropper with the stove, suck out a bit of fuel from the tank, douse the "spirit cup" and light it up... it will roar to life in any condition.
I got mine in 1975 and it's still going strong.
IIRC, I bought my SVEA in 76. I light mine as you describe. I found a plastic eyedropper made by Nalgene to fill the cup with. Filling the fuel tank was problematic until I found a little device the fits under the cap on a Sigg bottle that has a finger hole to allow you to control the pour of fuel from the bottle. I used mine all over Denali park, summer and winter (skiing up the park road) and parachuted with it into Bavaria. It never let me down.
Ha! I bet his opening line is similar to the scene in Boogie Nights when Dirk asks the other actor, "How much do you bench?"!
Just goes to show you ain't got a clue 'cause bench pressing is what silly boys do when they think they are working out.
Vagenius, I never said I bench much, I was quoting a phoucing movie! It's also called for at times from Mr. Glassman! Figured you'd appreciate my attempt at your type of name dropping...
Ha! I bet his opening line is similar to the scene in Boogie Nights when Dirk asks the other actor, "How much do you bench?"!
Just goes to show you ain't got a clue 'cause bench pressing is what silly boys do when they think they are working out.
Vagenius, I never said I bench much, I was quoting a phoucing movie! It's also called for at times from Mr. Glassman! Figured you'd appreciate my attempt at your type of name dropping...
I don't see many movies. I have seen Mary Poppins about fifty times though, unfortunately.
Just goes to show you ain't got a clue 'cause bench pressing is what silly boys do when they think they are working out.
What do you and the other girls do?
Travis
Which one do you think he is?
Damn you're dumb. Crossfitters don't do curls....ever.
Since you claim to be a Crossfitter and therefore don't do curls, I take that as an admission you're the rear spotter? Thanks for confirming that for me.
PS- Good avoidance of admitting that Mr. Glassman has folks bench press from time to time.
Ha! I bet his opening line is similar to the scene in Boogie Nights when Dirk asks the other actor, "How much do you bench?"!
Just goes to show you ain't got a clue 'cause bench pressing is what silly boys do when they think they are working out.
You must be kidding. Bench, squat, dead lift, pull-ups, shoulder press are the five best bang for your buck exercises for strength and mass.
No, I'm not kidding, and neither is Mark Rippetoe, who probably knows more about the training of, and the anatomy involved, of the major lifts than anyone alive. He states that a general athlete should do at least three sets of strict shoulder presses for every set of bench presses. Obviously, if you intend to compete as a powerlifter, you have to bench.
The bench press gets emphasized because of football, as a lineman can actually apply the strength gains from it, few other athletes can. The "posterior chain" is what matters most, and the other lifts you mentioned work that, but not the bench.
I've lost count of the ODA "farm animals" who've come to me complaining of shoulder pain. Guys in their thirties who've already got a "gorilla hunch" posture, with the attending thoracic kyphosis (and back pain) and of course, shoulder pain, as their posterior pecs are so tight (they insert on the coracoid process of the scapula) pulling the scapula forward/anteriorly. Also the anterior pecs are typically so short this pulls on the humerus and shifts the humeral head anteriorly. This can result in rotator cuff issues and labral tears.
You do all the major lifts, in the proper amounts, like Rippetoe advises, and most of this is quite unlikely. Problem is, few do, 'cause the bench is "easy".
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